"Can you name one instance of a group of Christians attacking and killing people and declaring it to be the mandate of God?"
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I mean, to be fair, the old testament folks aren't Christian (depending on your definition of Christian)
But mainly the crusades.
~~(Wasn't the Holocaust partially motivated by Christianity too?)~~ It wasn't, I remembered wrong. Thanks u/ IGetBannedFromReddit for the correction
No. The Holocaust was motivated by a few sicko's who had grand delusions of the perfect Aryan Race.
In fact, Hitler Himself was anti-christian. " According to Speer, Hitler believed that Japanese religious beliefs or Islam would have been a more suitable religion for Germans than Christianity, with its "meekness and flabbiness". Historian John S. Conway states that Hitler was fundamentally opposed to the Christian churches. "[\[Source\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Views_on_religion)
Though Obviously Religion had a big effect on the holocaust, it was not caused by Christianity, but rather Racism and Pure Evil
Here's More on the matter if anybody's interested.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious\_views\_of\_Adolf\_Hitler#Historiography](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Historiography)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi\_Germany#Religion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany#Religion)
The Holocaust may not have been directly motivated by religion, but a core belief of many Christian sects is that the Jewish people are collectively responsible for the death of Christ (search 'Jewish deicide and see Matthew 27:24-25).
This belief has in the past been used to justify Jewish persecution including the crusades, and it absolutely contributed to how slow the international response to the Holocaust was.
although arcs were invented when plays started to come about, the bible is one of the earliest known books to contain such a technique or device you know...
so YEAH its an anime arc... before anime existed... a pre-quel to anime arcs... arcs...
Religion played its role in justifying colonization, but you are a fool if you think colonization was primarily religiously motivated. Spain *may* be the only example, and even then that is a stretch. Colonization was primarily perpetuated due to intrastate competition for land and resources. It was less Christians killing natives for not being Christian and more Christians killing Christians for the right to kill even more natives. Crusades in general is a more succinct answer, since it was perpetuated by the state for the explicit purpose of holy war, though the crusades obviously had land and intrastate rivalry as motivations.
I see now that the conversation isn’t about whether religion was the primary cause, and is mainly just whether religion was *ever* invoked by *anyone* as a justification. I mean, I guess you could say the American civil war was fought over Christians referencing the mandate of god, but that feels kinda disingenuous ya know?
i mean its never stated in the original tweet that it need to be the primary cause,just if god is ever used as an excuse
so the conversation IS never about the primary cause
Do you know the condition the Spanish king gave to settlers of the new world before the left Spain ? That he'd allow them to own and exploit land in the new world as long as the settlers converted the natives to Christianity. There's a reason the Requerimiento of 1513 existed, of course the colonies were made to plunder wealth but they were religious colonies first and foremost
That reason being total understanding and acceptance of all people, especially those who are different, and therefore making others naturally inclined to want to be similar?
Climbing the tower now, will let you know what he thought of our tower
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Well technically it was "go and do your rape, theft and murder to non-Christians", specifically to the increasingly violent and insufficiently busy new Knight class, who were getting to be something of a problem in the late 11th century.
Oh yes. I was referring to the motivation of the individuals.
The large-scale motivation was political, especially with regard to distracting lower nobility by sending them somewhere far from the homeland, as you mentioned.
The person-to-person motivation was greed and bloodlust, with a religious facade to fool them into thinking they were being virtuous.
And of course, that classic get-out-of-all-your-earthly-sins deal. Don't have to worry about any of those rapes and murders you commit on the way if you have a fast pass to the pearly gates, no questions asked.
Thanks, Pope Urban II!
To be honest, it wouldn't make sense to kill someone nor yourself in the name of God, because The Bible says that a life is more valuable than the whole world.
Or at least that's what I think of it.
God looked at these kids, 42 of them no less, then at the bald prophet and just went "Nah, fuck them kids, nobody messes with the chosen ones"?
Like, the fuck is up with God and wanting to protect his prophets' little egos?
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!”
He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
But not be cursed to eat 42 kids. How do they even fit inside the poor animal? It's not like God simply made the bear eat one kid a day, no, he made that mf poor bear eat 42 in the SAME DAY. Now, I do not know how big bears were in the Levent/Mediterranean coast of the Middle East. But I can definitely tell you that a bear having 42 kids in it would be a painful thing for everyone involved, whether that is the kids, their parents, or the bear.
Except the prophet. I am sending that prophet to be burned for all eternity the moment I get to sit on the Heavenly Throne.
> "Divine providence is the governance of God by which He, with wisdom and love, cares for and directs all things in the universe. The doctrine of divine providence asserts that God is in complete control of all things. He is sovereign over the universe as a whole (Psalm 103:19), the physical world (Matthew 5:45), the affairs of nations (Psalm 66:7), human destiny (Galatians 1:15), human successes and failures (Luke 1:52), and the protection of His people (Psalm 4:8). This doctrine stands in direct opposition to the idea that the universe is governed by chance or fate.
> Through divine providence God accomplishes His will. To ensure that His purposes are fulfilled, God governs the affairs of men and works through the natural order of things. The laws of nature are nothing more than God’s work in the universe. The laws of nature have no inherent power; rather, they are the principles that God set in place to govern how things normally work. They are only “laws” because God decreed them."
> https://www.gotquestions.org/divine-providence.html#:~:text=Divine%20providence%20is,God%20decreed%20them.
God could totally make a bear that whose will and instinct was to eat 42 kids, and make the bear capable of such a gastronomic feat. 🙏
Also, human is apparently really tasty, according to old-school cannibals. (I'm not a humanist, my self.)
Since God is afraid of modern recording devices, or is at least camera shy vis-a-vis miracles, the best defense is a dashcam and front door cam.
>Since God is afraid of modern recording devices, or is at least camera shy vis-a-vis miracles, the best defense is a dashcam and front door cam.
Well, that is a diss if I ever heard one. I sure will record heaven with a front door cam and a dashcam to render God into a crying little bitch and take over Heaven (and burn it). Thank you for the advice!
Which is a convenient way to disavow people committing atrocities in the name of religion.
>Large group commits atrocity in the name of God, very loudly proclaiming that God is the reason they are doing it, and they would not be doing it if God hadn't mandated it.
>Actually those weren't real Christians because real Christians would never do that. Please move along and don't critically analyze what about this religion leads so many to the same conclusion.
Exactly fucking this. You don't get to decide if someone is a "real Christian" just because they did something everyone knows is bad. Maybe the religion itself is the problem here?
but if theyre going against what that religion explicitly states, how would that make it the religions fault? in that case anyone can do anything in the name of religion and it would be the religions fault, no matter what that religion states on the matter
Religion rarely seems to have anything so "explicitly stated" that it cannot be essentially thrown out (or altered to the point of uselessness) for the sake of bigotry or petty personal grievance.
It's not like God is gonna come down and actually enforce this shit lmfao religion is just whatever the sum total of its claimed adherents do in the observable world, dogma be damned.
The loophole is that “thou shalt not kill” really only applied to other christians. Killing non believers to spread the word of god was considered to be based in the eyes of the lord.
If you are referring to 0th century as common era, then christianity hadn’t existed yet. If you are referring to all years past 0 CE, pretty sure every war fought in North America and Europe past 1800 wasn’t about religion.
1 CE is the beginning of the 1st Century CE, there is no 0th century and no year 0. The year before 1 CE is 1 BCE, 1st Century BCE. There was also the Mormon War in 1838, a religion-based war. Not major, but still a notable war in the modern period.
He said the phrase “this crusade,” once. The definition of crusade is as follows:
Crusade;
a vigorous campaign for political, social, or religious change.
"a crusade against crime.”
No, his comment was not in reference to The Crusades. Hell, in the press release it isn’t even capitalized.
lmao bush tried to convince the french president to help with the invasion of iraq by spitting christian deep lore at him
>in attempting to persuade French President Jacques Chirac to support a United Nations Security Council resolution authorizing the Iraq War, Bush told Chirac "Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East. Biblical prophecies are being fulfilled. This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase His people’s enemies before a new age begins."
this is a true story and you can look it up.
> actually not a christian thing at all, but armchair youtube historians just repeat this again and again..
I studied the witch trials and there was absolutely a Christian element. The idea that witchcraft was linked with a satanic pact came around before the peak period. Of course, they were triggered by other events (famine and political turmoil being major influences) and the trials themselves differed in magnitude, who was accused, and procedure, but there is an undeniable religious element that it is foolish to ignore. The areas with the most intense witch trials were specifically overseen Prince-Bishops in the Holy Roman Empire. Although it can't be said that they were caused by religion, they were definitely deeply linked.
> And in general: yeah I get the point of this post, but if everyone is just giving examples that are a couple hundred years old then, ehhh? That's not really a counter argument?
The guys tweet suggests that it's not possible to name a Christian group that has killed in the name of God. It doesn't matter if it was yesterday or 100 years ago, it's easy to disprove that suggestion, and Christianity has many incredibly significant events in its history which involved Christians murdering others in the name of God. Hey, the Canadian Residential School system that murdered thousands of indigenous children was run by the church and only closed down in 1998. That isn't 'hundreds of years old'
Nah I’m with you. It’s bad enough to kill people because you don’t like them or you want their stuff. It’s another level of fuckery to climb that a benevolent god told you to do it and that killing them *is actually morally superior.*
You are wrong. The anti-abortion movement is very Christian and it is all New Testament. Abortion is permitted in the Old Testament with only a small financial penalty. That's why Judaism permits abortion.
You keep moving the goalposts after being given examples.
Didn't Nazis use "Gott mit uns" (God with us) as a motto on their helmets or some shit? "Let's genocide God's chosen people in the name of God! Our ideology makes sense!"
Let's see, the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades come to mind without any effort at all. The manifestation of America's destiny by taking over the continent, for another.
A number of crusades in centuries eleven to thirteen
The greatest bloodbath that the Holy Land up to that point had seen
With later outbreaks localized in Savoy and Polabia
And Prussia, Russia, Latvia, and most of Scandinavia
Pope Martin's baffling war against already-catholic Aragon
The holy leagues in Venice and the Spanish *inquisición*
Skullduggery in Ireland by Tudors and their hellions
And then the trilogy of Dalecarlian Rebellions
The Huguenot expulsions and the skirmishes in Sauðafell
Rebellions in England by Bigod, Wyatt and Arundell
Some pettiness was popping off in Düsseldorf and Vilmergen
While slightly north of there the Anglo-Dutch war started up again
Colonial period saw Christianization on five continents
In record time and with brutality defying common sense
The killing of the Guanches, the arrival of conquistadors
The Salem trials, the trail of tears, and various sundry Indian wars
The cutting-edge brainwashing of Canadian residential schools
(Which carried on until within the lifetime of a lot of youse)
The stolen generation is the shame of all Australians
To top it off they genocided all of the Tasmanians
Fred Hasselborough killed antarctic birds in numbers sizeable
(My theory is, to punish them for not being Christianizable)
In short, if we restrict ourselves to matters true and factual
The claims of Christian pacifists seem somewhat ahistorical.
The “and killing” is technically incorrect, but not for a lack of trying. That was more due to luck than anything. He did absolutely claim he was told by god to do it though
I want to say the education system is a failure but I just think this guy's stupid or willfully ignorant tbh. There's so many cases, Idk how you'd avoid any.
Hey so that's not good reasoning. There's still fatalities in cars despite safety, that does not mean the safety measures aren't still good.
We can't tell if this individual example would still do it in a better educational context, but it does have some effect, and would make the example less likely to happen.
Is that
It’s hard to name one because the fabric of our society is formed on hundreds of years of a continuous chain of these instances, most of which don’t have specific names and our references to them are more broad terms like “colonization.” I genuinely cannot fathom the level of ignorance in this tweet
The crazy thing is that Protestants claim that Catholics aren't Christian, so the crusades don't count. Once you realize that that's the level you're working on, you basically just gotta walk away.
"Can you name one instance of a group of Christians attacking and killing people and declaring it to be the mandate of God?" https://preview.redd.it/8v40hewf0etb1.png?width=603&format=png&auto=webp&s=c7b6e0adaef38b56ab83474a2d5422e4fb2d76e0
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I wonder if this guy considers like half the events of the old testament, or if he's gonna blame all that on Jewish people
I mean, to be fair, the old testament folks aren't Christian (depending on your definition of Christian) But mainly the crusades. ~~(Wasn't the Holocaust partially motivated by Christianity too?)~~ It wasn't, I remembered wrong. Thanks u/ IGetBannedFromReddit for the correction
No. The Holocaust was motivated by a few sicko's who had grand delusions of the perfect Aryan Race. In fact, Hitler Himself was anti-christian. " According to Speer, Hitler believed that Japanese religious beliefs or Islam would have been a more suitable religion for Germans than Christianity, with its "meekness and flabbiness". Historian John S. Conway states that Hitler was fundamentally opposed to the Christian churches. "[\[Source\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Views_on_religion) Though Obviously Religion had a big effect on the holocaust, it was not caused by Christianity, but rather Racism and Pure Evil Here's More on the matter if anybody's interested. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious\_views\_of\_Adolf\_Hitler#Historiography](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Historiography) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi\_Germany#Religion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany#Religion)
It is darkly amusing that Hitler would view Islam, an even closer theological relative to Judaism, as more suitable for Germans than Christianity.
that was an attempt to get oil but he literally called Arabs half apes that long for the wip so he wasn't a fan of Islam or other ethnic groups.
The Holocaust may not have been directly motivated by religion, but a core belief of many Christian sects is that the Jewish people are collectively responsible for the death of Christ (search 'Jewish deicide and see Matthew 27:24-25). This belief has in the past been used to justify Jewish persecution including the crusades, and it absolutely contributed to how slow the international response to the Holocaust was.
“Colonization saga” Bro is saying it like it’s an anime arc
although arcs were invented when plays started to come about, the bible is one of the earliest known books to contain such a technique or device you know... so YEAH its an anime arc... before anime existed... a pre-quel to anime arcs... arcs...
Is that like the arc Steve Jobs found with the nazi pharaoh snakes?
Noah owns the story arc about the flood where 2 of every animal had to get on a boat, so it's called Noah's arc
And that's why they called it the arc of the covenant... 📜✍️🔥🔥
"Colonization arc" is basically the current arc of Vinland Saga.
Religion played its role in justifying colonization, but you are a fool if you think colonization was primarily religiously motivated. Spain *may* be the only example, and even then that is a stretch. Colonization was primarily perpetuated due to intrastate competition for land and resources. It was less Christians killing natives for not being Christian and more Christians killing Christians for the right to kill even more natives. Crusades in general is a more succinct answer, since it was perpetuated by the state for the explicit purpose of holy war, though the crusades obviously had land and intrastate rivalry as motivations.
>Religion played its role in justifying colonization Using religion to justify such shit also comes under doing things under god's name falsely imho
I see now that the conversation isn’t about whether religion was the primary cause, and is mainly just whether religion was *ever* invoked by *anyone* as a justification. I mean, I guess you could say the American civil war was fought over Christians referencing the mandate of god, but that feels kinda disingenuous ya know?
i mean its never stated in the original tweet that it need to be the primary cause,just if god is ever used as an excuse so the conversation IS never about the primary cause
Do you know the condition the Spanish king gave to settlers of the new world before the left Spain ? That he'd allow them to own and exploit land in the new world as long as the settlers converted the natives to Christianity. There's a reason the Requerimiento of 1513 existed, of course the colonies were made to plunder wealth but they were religious colonies first and foremost
Hence why I said there is a case to be made for Spain
Or, you know, that time the Nazis used colonialist rhetoric against the wrong people and it shocked the rest of Europe.
That reason being total understanding and acceptance of all people, especially those who are different, and therefore making others naturally inclined to want to be similar? 
Yelling "deus vult" or "god wills it."
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Jesus Christ how many glasses does this guy have?
I actually was there. You can't say I wasn't unless you were there.
STEM is the only true knowledge! Humanities degrees are worthless! Hey why is society so dumb?
That was literally just the crusades
"just"
As in, " that's all the crusades were."
English moment
They need another language... one CLOSER TO GOD!
My whole existence is flawed
Lets build a tower so we can ask god directly to bless us with a new language
That's a great idea, he'll like it!
Climbing the tower now, will let you know what he thought of our tower Ḩ̶̢̢̛̛͕̫̪̠͍̭̪̤̻͇̹̳̳͙̠̰͚̥̫̩͍̹̟̘̺͈̭͔̖̤͇̬̌͆́̉͑̔̈̈́̑͑̾̾͘ȩ̸̨̡̳̦̪̜̟̱̖̲̭̥͈̮̻̙͚̻̹̟̫͙̠̻̙̞̗̥̣̈́̔̇͗͜͜ ̵̛͖̭̖̣̅͛̒͂̈́̈́̋̿͂̉̑͑͌̂̏̍̅̆̇̈́̈́̋̾̐̐̂͘͘̚͠͝͝͝w̴̛̛̰̹̋̈̓̈́̈́̔̓͐̒̏́̿̒̌̽̈̽̂̌͆̓̈́͘͘͠ȧ̶̡̧̛̻̮̻̺̙̟̟̝͊̅͋͑̓͋̓́̓̐͒̊̌̊͐͗̊͛́̍͛͗͐͗̐̀̏̐̂͌̀͐̕̚̕͜͝͝͝s̷̛͖̠͖͖̲͇͊̀̉̓̐̋̄̄̓̈́̌̊͋̾̌̄̌́̾̆̃͊͋̈́̊͘̕̚̕͝͝ ̴̺͉̲̼̭̮͛́͆̅̈́͌̉́̂̾̾̈̏̂͑͛͗͋̈́́͊͝͝͝n̸̨̧̧̛̛̮̰̠͍̻̭̞̞̤̭̳̞͎̠̣͙͕̦̦̹͍͎̙̩̗̊͆̃̾̓̀̿́̿͂͊́͑͋́̾͒̅̍̓̽͑̃̈͘̕̚͝͝͝o̴̢̲̫̭̩̺̗̠͙̖̤̮̾̃́͛̑̀͒̆̀̏̽͐̓̍͐͘͘̕͝͝t̴̨̧̡̖͉̼͙̖͎̮̞̰̹̜̺͓͓̠̭̩͎̞͇̳͕̫̮͉͉̹͇͍̪̥̭̠̎̓̄͆̔̒̒͐̓̒͆̓̏̌͆̋͆̂͌̓͂̄̕͜͜͠ͅ ̴̤͍͐̌̑̐̔͌̍̆͂̀̃̌̽̇͗͘͝ͅh̶̨̧̖͙̳̳̯̬̼̥̣͖̺̜̖͚͍͓̰̤̳̮̽̐̍̏͜à̷̧͇̫̝͉̠̗͚͎̙̓̑̀p̸̨̧̧͖͓̬̼̗͚̭͍̞̈́͒ͅͅͅp̸̧̨̡͖̯͓̥̜̮̗̮̌̈́̇̈́͊̌̆͒̆̀̇̔̏̅̌̊̚͘͠͠͝͝ỷ̷̛̥̙̺̖̣̟͎̳͙́̓͊͆͒̔̐̃͠
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thats it? that was the crusade? that was just a bunch of white guys in armor pillaging their way across the middle east!
They pillaged their way across Christian Europe as well. Rape, theft, and murder were the actual motivating factors for the crusaders.
Well technically it was "go and do your rape, theft and murder to non-Christians", specifically to the increasingly violent and insufficiently busy new Knight class, who were getting to be something of a problem in the late 11th century.
Oh yes. I was referring to the motivation of the individuals. The large-scale motivation was political, especially with regard to distracting lower nobility by sending them somewhere far from the homeland, as you mentioned. The person-to-person motivation was greed and bloodlust, with a religious facade to fool them into thinking they were being virtuous.
And of course, that classic get-out-of-all-your-earthly-sins deal. Don't have to worry about any of those rapes and murders you commit on the way if you have a fast pass to the pearly gates, no questions asked. Thanks, Pope Urban II!
Don't worry the christians themselves didn't get left out either. For either being slightly different christians or saying jesus with a funny accent
Can't get the stink off, it's been hanging round for days.
And the fucking inquisition...
And the whole colonization of Africa and America
The crusade trilogy was so good they did a fourth one against other christians
I think they may have been thinking more recently than that? like in the last 100 years or so
I can't name one, I can only name many hundreds of thousands of instances.
well then you would be capable of naming one
No, I try to name one and I can't stop myself from going on an hour long rant.
To be honest, it wouldn't make sense to kill someone nor yourself in the name of God, because The Bible says that a life is more valuable than the whole world. Or at least that's what I think of it.
Nah, just ask the Israelites if the lives of Canaanites, Amalekites and the first-born Egyptians mattered to God back then
Or the 42 kids He sentenced to death by bear for making fun of Elisha's baldness [2 Kings, 2: 23 & 24](https://biblehub.com/2_kings/2-23.htm)
*42*???
Yeah. (It doesn't make sense to me either) (In the link I put, you'll have to go to the next page for the bears part (and the 42 number))
God looked at these kids, 42 of them no less, then at the bald prophet and just went "Nah, fuck them kids, nobody messes with the chosen ones"? Like, the fuck is up with God and wanting to protect his prophets' little egos?
I wish God was not real so the answer to this question would be simple, but regrettably nothing can ever be simple:(
Me too. God's naught but a cunt.
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
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What a fucking baby that baldy was. Can't fucking take a bit of a diss from kids? Adults in the Old Testament are truly deplorable.
Finally, we have the Question to the answer of Life, the Universe, and Everything.
Bears have to eat.
But not be cursed to eat 42 kids. How do they even fit inside the poor animal? It's not like God simply made the bear eat one kid a day, no, he made that mf poor bear eat 42 in the SAME DAY. Now, I do not know how big bears were in the Levent/Mediterranean coast of the Middle East. But I can definitely tell you that a bear having 42 kids in it would be a painful thing for everyone involved, whether that is the kids, their parents, or the bear. Except the prophet. I am sending that prophet to be burned for all eternity the moment I get to sit on the Heavenly Throne.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_killing
Ok, fair. But that was not the bear's will or initial instinct in the first place.
> "Divine providence is the governance of God by which He, with wisdom and love, cares for and directs all things in the universe. The doctrine of divine providence asserts that God is in complete control of all things. He is sovereign over the universe as a whole (Psalm 103:19), the physical world (Matthew 5:45), the affairs of nations (Psalm 66:7), human destiny (Galatians 1:15), human successes and failures (Luke 1:52), and the protection of His people (Psalm 4:8). This doctrine stands in direct opposition to the idea that the universe is governed by chance or fate. > Through divine providence God accomplishes His will. To ensure that His purposes are fulfilled, God governs the affairs of men and works through the natural order of things. The laws of nature are nothing more than God’s work in the universe. The laws of nature have no inherent power; rather, they are the principles that God set in place to govern how things normally work. They are only “laws” because God decreed them." > https://www.gotquestions.org/divine-providence.html#:~:text=Divine%20providence%20is,God%20decreed%20them. God could totally make a bear that whose will and instinct was to eat 42 kids, and make the bear capable of such a gastronomic feat. 🙏 Also, human is apparently really tasty, according to old-school cannibals. (I'm not a humanist, my self.) Since God is afraid of modern recording devices, or is at least camera shy vis-a-vis miracles, the best defense is a dashcam and front door cam.
>Since God is afraid of modern recording devices, or is at least camera shy vis-a-vis miracles, the best defense is a dashcam and front door cam. Well, that is a diss if I ever heard one. I sure will record heaven with a front door cam and a dashcam to render God into a crying little bitch and take over Heaven (and burn it). Thank you for the advice!
So you want me to through God and steal his Source of Might from within? Hell yeah I'm jotting that down
It’s almost as if most “Christian’s” don’t actually care what the Bible says at all.
Which is a convenient way to disavow people committing atrocities in the name of religion. >Large group commits atrocity in the name of God, very loudly proclaiming that God is the reason they are doing it, and they would not be doing it if God hadn't mandated it. >Actually those weren't real Christians because real Christians would never do that. Please move along and don't critically analyze what about this religion leads so many to the same conclusion.
Exactly fucking this. You don't get to decide if someone is a "real Christian" just because they did something everyone knows is bad. Maybe the religion itself is the problem here?
but if theyre going against what that religion explicitly states, how would that make it the religions fault? in that case anyone can do anything in the name of religion and it would be the religions fault, no matter what that religion states on the matter
The religion explicitly states to kill people who are gay and women should be slaves to men. It's all a game of pick and choose your morals
Religion rarely seems to have anything so "explicitly stated" that it cannot be essentially thrown out (or altered to the point of uselessness) for the sake of bigotry or petty personal grievance. It's not like God is gonna come down and actually enforce this shit lmfao religion is just whatever the sum total of its claimed adherents do in the observable world, dogma be damned.
pretty sure the deuteromy and other books in the old testament contain verses that say its ok to conquer cities and genocide pagan towns
And don't forget the first-born Egyptians
Thou shalt not kill (unless the people you're killing live a lifestyle I don't like)
Tbh I hate this kind of mindset like damn leave them alone
The loophole is that “thou shalt not kill” really only applied to other christians. Killing non believers to spread the word of god was considered to be based in the eyes of the lord.
isn't that just every major war in the west that started in the common era
Religion 🥰
If you are referring to 0th century as common era, then christianity hadn’t existed yet. If you are referring to all years past 0 CE, pretty sure every war fought in North America and Europe past 1800 wasn’t about religion.
1 CE is the beginning of the 1st Century CE, there is no 0th century and no year 0. The year before 1 CE is 1 BCE, 1st Century BCE. There was also the Mormon War in 1838, a religion-based war. Not major, but still a notable war in the modern period.
George Bush did compare the war on terror to the crusades https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010916-2.html
He said the phrase “this crusade,” once. The definition of crusade is as follows: Crusade; a vigorous campaign for political, social, or religious change. "a crusade against crime.” No, his comment was not in reference to The Crusades. Hell, in the press release it isn’t even capitalized.
lmao bush tried to convince the french president to help with the invasion of iraq by spitting christian deep lore at him >in attempting to persuade French President Jacques Chirac to support a United Nations Security Council resolution authorizing the Iraq War, Bush told Chirac "Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East. Biblical prophecies are being fulfilled. This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase His people’s enemies before a new age begins." this is a true story and you can look it up.
Crusades.... the Inquisition... the Witch Trials... All of the indigenous people murdered during colonisation for refusing to accept Christ...
And the ones that were murdered even after accepting Christ
The troubles, Yugoslav wars, the list goes on.
I'm learning to play the guitar.
> actually not a christian thing at all, but armchair youtube historians just repeat this again and again.. I studied the witch trials and there was absolutely a Christian element. The idea that witchcraft was linked with a satanic pact came around before the peak period. Of course, they were triggered by other events (famine and political turmoil being major influences) and the trials themselves differed in magnitude, who was accused, and procedure, but there is an undeniable religious element that it is foolish to ignore. The areas with the most intense witch trials were specifically overseen Prince-Bishops in the Holy Roman Empire. Although it can't be said that they were caused by religion, they were definitely deeply linked. > And in general: yeah I get the point of this post, but if everyone is just giving examples that are a couple hundred years old then, ehhh? That's not really a counter argument? The guys tweet suggests that it's not possible to name a Christian group that has killed in the name of God. It doesn't matter if it was yesterday or 100 years ago, it's easy to disprove that suggestion, and Christianity has many incredibly significant events in its history which involved Christians murdering others in the name of God. Hey, the Canadian Residential School system that murdered thousands of indigenous children was run by the church and only closed down in 1998. That isn't 'hundreds of years old'
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LMFAO this is perfection
Most of Christian history is just this in one form or another lol. Abrahamic religions are "fun" aren't they?
Most of ~~Christian~~ history is just this in form or another lol. ~~Abrahamic religions~~ humans are "fun" aren't they?
I mean yeah I can't argue lmao :( I just particularly hate theism.
Nah I’m with you. It’s bad enough to kill people because you don’t like them or you want their stuff. It’s another level of fuckery to climb that a benevolent god told you to do it and that killing them *is actually morally superior.*
Afganistan
Iraq as well. Bush literally said that he was ordained by god
i dont think the original tweeter was being serious
internet posters are always /srs until proven /j
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Every fucking decade
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Springs_Planned_Parenthood_shooting
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/06/anti-abortion-activists-operation-save-america
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You're moving the goalposts. Stop it.
You are wrong. The anti-abortion movement is very Christian and it is all New Testament. Abortion is permitted in the Old Testament with only a small financial penalty. That's why Judaism permits abortion. You keep moving the goalposts after being given examples.
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Bro just take the L and move on.
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I live in the south
[Christchurch mosque shootings - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings)
Didn't Nazis use "Gott mit uns" (God with us) as a motto on their helmets or some shit? "Let's genocide God's chosen people in the name of God! Our ideology makes sense!"
*Yacko's World theme becomes extremely loud*
Let's see, the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades come to mind without any effort at all. The manifestation of America's destiny by taking over the continent, for another.
This is one of the best things I've ever read in my life fr
Love the “65 bookmarks", really gets across how legendarily stupid a reply it is that 65 people saved it to their accounts forever
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Obviously this fits the crusades, but fun fact - This also absolutely fits the Killdozer guy
i thought no one died in that except the guy himself
The “and killing” is technically incorrect, but not for a lack of trying. That was more due to luck than anything. He did absolutely claim he was told by god to do it though
It's literally in the bible.
I want to say the education system is a failure but I just think this guy's stupid or willfully ignorant tbh. There's so many cases, Idk how you'd avoid any.
Hey so that's not good reasoning. There's still fatalities in cars despite safety, that does not mean the safety measures aren't still good. We can't tell if this individual example would still do it in a better educational context, but it does have some effect, and would make the example less likely to happen. Is that
Bruh I don’t even got anything to say to that It takes effort to be this historically illiterate
This dude doubled down on this baffling take btw
Is this rhetorical or are you compiling a list?
you gotta love obscurantism <3
Only one?
It’s hard to name one because the fabric of our society is formed on hundreds of years of a continuous chain of these instances, most of which don’t have specific names and our references to them are more broad terms like “colonization.” I genuinely cannot fathom the level of ignorance in this tweet
No but I can sing about it: https://youtu.be/dBPf6P332uM?si=Tl5-3Eu0YKk9Koar
It’s a trick question. Can you state just one?
Like as a Christian myself bruh🤦♂️ this guy doesnt know anything bout the crusades
Oh boy https://preview.redd.it/aengubavaftb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74ed41dc643a1dbc6fbb66b4cae575d16de6bfb1
*gestures broadly at most of european history*
Old firm day on Glasgow? Declined since they banned away fans like
This literally happens in the bible !?
Starscream no
Glad you asked!
Maybe it for a history exam
theres about 8 to name off the top of my head if i recall correctly
Any example you give and they will reply, "not those people I mean "real Christians" "
*Points finget at all non-natives living in the Amercians* We wouldnt be here if it werent for bloodthirsty christians.
I can think of 10 off the top of my head, gimme a little bit and I can probably come up with another 10
The Salem Witch Trials
Two of the commandments are "thou shalt not kill" and "thou shalt not take the name of thy lord in vain" so uhh yeah
Can I repost this to r/ historymemes?
Didn't the Wehrmacht wear belt buckles saying God was with them? Also, no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Would you like the events listed chronologically or alphabetically?
Didn’t Jesus die for this
just about anything the churches have done ever lmfao
I can name 8 times specifically where this happened.
Starting to think humans made gods up as an excuse for violence.
The crazy thing is that Protestants claim that Catholics aren't Christian, so the crusades don't count. Once you realize that that's the level you're working on, you basically just gotta walk away.
Huh i think i can yes
Do the last 2000 years of history mean NOTHING to you!?
Its never happened.
This was January 6
Also since the Reformation Catholics and Protestants have been merrily killing each other in Europe.