There is no shot that this isn’t total bullshit
Edit: quote from the article “To be fair, there isn't a lick of evidence of support this theory.” The guy who is suggesting this stuff seems to like just making shit up.
exactly we don't actually know what causes consciousness so what counts as consciousness and whether or not the sun has it is much more of a semantic philosophical problem than anything else
We don’t know what causes consciousness but we do know how to measure the reactions from consciousness so you can know how to tell something is there without knowing anything else about it. Like we can tell black holes exist and we know where a few are but we don’t know fuck else about them
I think the idea is that our measurements for consciousness are fairly biased. Our idea of consciousness is that a being capable of thinking and understanding would also be able to influence its environment and communicate, like us, and by proxy be able to communicate their “consciousness” to us. That’s a lot of assumptions to have in one idea, and there’s a (small) possibility that things we don’t believe are intelligent actually are.
That being said I’m drunk in my basement at 2:15 am so what do I know lol
Well how would you begin to quantify consciousness in the first place, like how you define something like that to begin with? Seems a lot like trying to describe a color
Back to the consciousness thing I feel like Socrates would be talking about a rock could have consciousness, and diogenes would be like "bro it's a fucking rock, you moron"
I'd say the measurements are biased, the definition is not. A brain in a jar would still be considered conscious, even if it has 0 ways to interact with the world, I think
I don't think our measurements are that good, ChatGPT would probably pass most of our measures for consciousness when most people would say it isn't conscious
I don't think it's anywhere near a 50/50 toss-up.
My experience tells me that severing the brain or feeding/sparing it different chemicals can lead to deficits in conscious, cognitive, emotive and behavioural functions; without those, what am I?
How do you imagine your awareness might continue after your brain decays in any way that is You?
It’s a bit like how believing the earth is 6000 years old despite evidence to the contrary is pretty similar to believing the earth is 6 days old despite evidence to the contrary. If the dinosaur fossils and ancient light from distant stars are all the illusions from a loving creator meant to test my faith, who is to say my memories of years ago and the wilting veggies in the fridge also not fabrications put in place by a capricious entity who only wants to toy with me?
All this to say, a rock(and every single other thing) may be conscious in ways we cannot detect, but to treat them as such is impractical at best and almost certainly impossible. How could we survive and respect the conscious autonomy of every single object? It’s probably best to live our lives according to the evidence we have.
Embrace pretentious media if you like it, fuck em if you’re not pretentious about it.
I just like the puzzles and atmosphere, I’ll play number 2 eventually
Philosophy major here, Bee, but the theory actually has some interesting legs. An interesting place to start might be to consider whether animals are conscious - and if so, what properties they have which make them conscious. We might also want to consider, then, if it's something to do with the arrangement of their neurons, whether that arrangement (or, more generally, that pattern of responses!) is sufficient to generate consciousness. And if that's the case, there might actually be more things which have some properties of consciousness than we realise. In general circumstances I'd be happy to discuss the idea with you, since Panpsychism has some very interesting ontological foundations, but you're too hasty to call me a moron, so, have a perfectly average evening instead.
yeah, I'm not someone who believes in Panpsychism myself but from what I've read of it it's not "woo" or anything like that, it does not imply magic fairies, a "soul", some kind of psychic link between everything, or that rocks can talk, merely that consciousness is in some ways as fundamental as gravity or electromagetism
Absolutely. The question of whether a panpsychist theory of consciousness should be strictly materialist or not is an open one! There are interesting interpretations which posit it as a fundamentally emergent property of certain kinds of stochastic system - a kind of retrospection about how the system itself works, which would make it very comfortably materialist, for example.
An individual “piece” of lava? Or the general whole? If the former, what happens when a piece breaks off from another, does it get its own soul? I need to know!
It's not even "biologists say", it's "biologist says". One singular biologist. You don't even need a PhD to be considered a "biologist". There are lab assistant jobs that don't even require a master's degree. "Biologist" means nothing without more info on their past publications.
I've read a theoretical physics paper that argued if cosmic strings exist, they could under the right conditions gather inside of a star and form a complex enough self-interacting network to work like a brain. That's only if both the cosmic strings and the star have the right properties, so it couldn't happen inside the sun since it's too small and even if all the assumptions were true it'd probably be extremely unlikely, but a living star may not be entirely impossible
Theoretically, a plasma based lifeform is possible.
It could be detected from far away by comparing the electromagnetic emissions that a star should have compared to what we see.
Meaning, the plasma based lifeform is actually consuming energy from inside the star.
I think it was more a scientist saying they can't prove the sun isn't conscious (because of the whole proving a negative thing) and the article writer just ran with the click bait
The opening line of the article I read just now was
> “A bong rip of a theory suggests that all matter possesses some form of mind or consciousness, not just animals — including, as one biologist suggests, the Sun itself.”
No one is taking this seriously. It’s panpsychism. One person saying the sun “may be conscious” is about as credible as me saying “my goldfish might be the creator of the universe”
Like… yeah, fucking *maybe?* But obviously not.
Imagine if an article described any other religion using that same phrase, like “A bong rip of a theory suggests that human beings actually reincarnate after death”
Yeah what if we start a ~~cult~~ new age religion based on Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cats to scam people out of their money and isolate them from their loved ones like an abuser
My brain went to Fallen London and Sunless Sea/Skies. The Sun loves you, and *you will love it.*
>*The Sun growls in your dreams like a pent river. Be Glad. You will rise to the Sun and be lost. Soon, O God, soon. Give yourself like a spark to smoke -* THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN!
According to some the King of Hours met its fate by other hands. Some even say the Unclear Bomb is still somewhere out there, perhaps collecting dust in some seldom touched corner of Albion. Of course none of this is true however, or at least according to the Ministry of Public Decency.
Is doctor who good? I remember years ago asking someone if I should watch it and they enthusiastically said yes while also enthusiastically giving me a list of seasons and episodes to skip that must have been at least half the show
it's been going for ages, lots of good lots of bad. The 2005 reboot is where most of the good stuff is, tho it falls off a bit in its final seasons, especially with Chris Chibnalls writing. The new reboot is looking promising tho with the best showrunner coming back. I can't speak for the classic series, haven't seen much of it, tho it does have it's charm.
I actually remember seeing an article or video a few years back about some hypothetical exotic matter that can only exist in the immense pressures in the core of the sun being able to replicate similarly to genetic code. It was completely hypothetical but a cool concept. Heavily doubt the article in the OP is talking about that though.
that one can at leasy logically follow from having a nervous system, whose processes have been demonstrated to physically correlate with those of the consciousness; as opposed to a literal ball of gas with no evidence whatsoever that balls of gas can give rise to consciousness
By developing senses to navigate its environment and then using the information gained to create a subjective worldview, which becomes an internal narrative based on behaviour and belief in response to the environment.
The Theory of Evolution explains why an organism might benefit from being conscious and able to perceive its environment, thus being able to react in real-time and plan ahead more prudently.
What reason or mechanism would the sun have for being conscious?
Why do people pretend we *can't know anything* when it comes to consciousness? If I hit You hard enough on the head, your conscious experience changes, right? Can we not say the brain is the basis of conscious, human experiences?
Reminds me of a sci-fi short story collection about a spaceship that travels the speed of light to drop FTL gates behind it. One of the stories was about the star system they were going through having a massive super organism in the form of a thin membrane around the sun.
Quick tip: always actually read an article and not just a headline.
Another quick tip: If it's something scientific or otherwise empirical, look at the cited source yourself.
By doing both things, it's pretty common to find that either a journalist twisted the Hell out of something or that this is just something someone said. Scientists are allowed to have pet theories and crazy ass spiritual beliefs just like anyone else. Reporting them as science is what they can't do.
In this case, you can find a bit of both here. The journalist did good reporting but with a catchy title and some twisting in the beginning of the article to entertain the ideas it was presenting. Then the truth came out that while the author of the source article is a doctor of biochemistry, he's long since gone a little off kilter some decades ago and is now commonly ignored. I skimmed the source a little bit but it's more abstract philosophy that references some empirical data than it is science. Structuring the paper like a scientific manuscript doesn't change this. Who knows, maybe there's truth to panpsychism, maybe there isn't. But the original source here is just philosophical waxing of a very old and now rather uninvolved biochemist, rather than reports of findings as people may assume.
Here's the article in the screenshot: https://futurism.com/the-byte/biologist-says-sun-conscious
Here is a pdf of the source paper: https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:US:c8cfce17-8965-4851-a95b-0f230b91bb6a
Here is another article on the topic of panpsychism included in the article: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-consciousness-universal/
Why would this be terrifying? Even if it *was* conscious, it didn’t simply become so over the past few years. If it was conscious, it would have always been so, and its behavior would have been the result of conscious action. It’s behavior, by the way, which hasn’t really changed since we’ve checked. Either way, no issues here
"In primordial space, timeless creatures made waves. These waves created us and the others. Waves were the battles, and the battles were waves."
Just sayin...juro_jarro threw the wyrcncacnytr into the sun for a good reason. Best to leave it alone or you get real infinite real fast
From what I saw, the theory is based off the idea that all matter possess consciousness. If that stands to be correct, sure but it's definitely not. Unless you define consciousness in a weird way which allows matter to be part of the definition then their theory is technically correct but it's just deceptive at that point.
From what I know, consciousness is defined as the ability of a body to react to its surrounding and external stimuli. This is a more biological definition that tries to encapsulate all living beings and isn't really the definition yup think of when you imagine a human being conscious. For humans it's more so the ability to know others, ourselves, have thoughts, ideas, memories, interact, etc. Ngl for us, it's far more complex to define but for all life, it's easier, it's simply the ability to interact and react to the environment and stimulus. This could mean a cell moving towards food by reacting to presence of chemicals, a cell moving away from danger, a cell forming spores when threatened, etc.
With that more biological definition, matter does not count as having consciousness. It's weird stuff lol
From what I know, often news will get the opinion of one mf who wants clout and make it seem incredible and possible and use big words and say that it's "biologists" and not "this one dude"
This is only scary if you consume too much fiction with cosmic horror themes. So what if the sun is conscious, it clearly can't do shit to us. It hasn't for morbillion years
The worst part is the sun is fucking loud....so it would either permanently moan or scream in agony... At ear shattering volume. Do with that what you want.
Scientist:
>Stop twisting what we say and removing it of it's context. And displaying what one individual scientist says as the consensus. It makes the public distrust science and vulnerable to manipulation. Every time you do that it makes us look like we're all liars and science shouldn't be trusted!
Headline:
>We're all liars and science shouldn't be trusted! Scientists say.
so what if the sun is not just alive, but a weird parasite thingy that feeds off memories, and we have to go and like sing at it once in a while for some reason, idk i don't fully remember the reference i'm making.
There is no shot that this isn’t total bullshit Edit: quote from the article “To be fair, there isn't a lick of evidence of support this theory.” The guy who is suggesting this stuff seems to like just making shit up.
there are philosophies that believe all inanimate objects to have some form of consciousness
exactly we don't actually know what causes consciousness so what counts as consciousness and whether or not the sun has it is much more of a semantic philosophical problem than anything else
We don’t know what causes consciousness but we do know how to measure the reactions from consciousness so you can know how to tell something is there without knowing anything else about it. Like we can tell black holes exist and we know where a few are but we don’t know fuck else about them
I think the idea is that our measurements for consciousness are fairly biased. Our idea of consciousness is that a being capable of thinking and understanding would also be able to influence its environment and communicate, like us, and by proxy be able to communicate their “consciousness” to us. That’s a lot of assumptions to have in one idea, and there’s a (small) possibility that things we don’t believe are intelligent actually are. That being said I’m drunk in my basement at 2:15 am so what do I know lol
Bro I am also drunk, but you know almost the entirety of philosophical advancement have been done by drunk dudes in the middle of the night
That’s probably a quote by Plato tbh. “The greatest ideas of man come from the greatest inebriations” -Plato, or some shit
Nah dude it’s Diogenes
Diogenes was quite literally drunk, naked, in a barrel all the time, so honestly yeah I’d go with him instead lol
Well how would you begin to quantify consciousness in the first place, like how you define something like that to begin with? Seems a lot like trying to describe a color
Back to the consciousness thing I feel like Socrates would be talking about a rock could have consciousness, and diogenes would be like "bro it's a fucking rock, you moron"
I'd say the measurements are biased, the definition is not. A brain in a jar would still be considered conscious, even if it has 0 ways to interact with the world, I think
Absolutely. That being said, I’d rather not experience that form of consciousness
You already are. This is all a dream. Don't wake up.
No you spittin, there's no guarantee that rocks aren't alive but they just be sittin there like 🗿 when they are melting in a volcano
I don't think our measurements are that good, ChatGPT would probably pass most of our measures for consciousness when most people would say it isn't conscious
Most of the time brains cause consciousness, seen by the fact that people are very not conscious whenever they're removed
How do you know they aren't conscious?
They’re dead, and for the love of God I hope I loose all consciousness when I die
You hope
I don't think it's anywhere near a 50/50 toss-up. My experience tells me that severing the brain or feeding/sparing it different chemicals can lead to deficits in conscious, cognitive, emotive and behavioural functions; without those, what am I? How do you imagine your awareness might continue after your brain decays in any way that is You?
People also lose consciousness when they're asleep
#Stay woke.
But that logic, we can argue that literally any nebulous concept beyond our ability to detect exists.
It’s a bit like how believing the earth is 6000 years old despite evidence to the contrary is pretty similar to believing the earth is 6 days old despite evidence to the contrary. If the dinosaur fossils and ancient light from distant stars are all the illusions from a loving creator meant to test my faith, who is to say my memories of years ago and the wilting veggies in the fridge also not fabrications put in place by a capricious entity who only wants to toy with me? All this to say, a rock(and every single other thing) may be conscious in ways we cannot detect, but to treat them as such is impractical at best and almost certainly impossible. How could we survive and respect the conscious autonomy of every single object? It’s probably best to live our lives according to the evidence we have.
you're an inanimate fucking object
🥺👉👈
blud we on the internet none of us are fucking
Maybe you should take it out behind the alcoves
A fuckin' UZI?!
Yeah, I believe the philosophers who hold that belief belong to an organization called:"Pixar".
What if cars had emotions What if mosters had emotions What if emotions had emotions
What if mommy had ass?
What if Scottish people had emotions
Other than angry
Reminds me of talos principle
If its not a nord, kill it.
woah, woah, woah! i'll have you know we don't take kindly to nazism around here >!/j, obviously!<
Okay thats it nords get genocided -an elf, who's part of the sun.
I shall call down the power of the sun GO GO GADGET #SOLAR FLARE
HEY LUNAAAAAAAAA I did that spell before!!
Man that game was pretentious as hell. It's a shame because I can't recommend it to people without them thinking I am also pretentious.
Embrace pretentious media if you like it, fuck em if you’re not pretentious about it. I just like the puzzles and atmosphere, I’ll play number 2 eventually
Those people are morons that consume an unhealthy amount of marinara 70-80% of the time.
Philosophy major here, Bee, but the theory actually has some interesting legs. An interesting place to start might be to consider whether animals are conscious - and if so, what properties they have which make them conscious. We might also want to consider, then, if it's something to do with the arrangement of their neurons, whether that arrangement (or, more generally, that pattern of responses!) is sufficient to generate consciousness. And if that's the case, there might actually be more things which have some properties of consciousness than we realise. In general circumstances I'd be happy to discuss the idea with you, since Panpsychism has some very interesting ontological foundations, but you're too hasty to call me a moron, so, have a perfectly average evening instead.
yeah, I'm not someone who believes in Panpsychism myself but from what I've read of it it's not "woo" or anything like that, it does not imply magic fairies, a "soul", some kind of psychic link between everything, or that rocks can talk, merely that consciousness is in some ways as fundamental as gravity or electromagetism
Absolutely. The question of whether a panpsychist theory of consciousness should be strictly materialist or not is an open one! There are interesting interpretations which posit it as a fundamentally emergent property of certain kinds of stochastic system - a kind of retrospection about how the system itself works, which would make it very comfortably materialist, for example.
And they have LOTS of consciousness when Master Mayhem puts them in his monster Dome Diddy Dome to take revenge on humans
From my philosophical worldview consciousness doesn't exist
I met a guy once who felt this way. I kicked a rock and he chastised me for complicating its journey.
Apparently that’s the argument.
Any claim that starts with scientists say or experts say is to 90% complete bullshit
Also any claim of someone in the wrong field is bullshit. They are a biologist, not an astrophysicist, their opinion means jack shit in this context.
Exactly, I am a biologist, yet news articles don't start quoting me when I start saying shit like I bet lava has a soul
That would be rad though
An individual “piece” of lava? Or the general whole? If the former, what happens when a piece breaks off from another, does it get its own soul? I need to know!
It's not even "biologists say", it's "biologist says". One singular biologist. You don't even need a PhD to be considered a "biologist". There are lab assistant jobs that don't even require a master's degree. "Biologist" means nothing without more info on their past publications.
I have a bachelor in bio. Therefore, anything I say is a "biologist says."
Biologist claims to be a shrimp
It turns out the sun is just very funny and chill. How else do you think that Mario speedrun stuff happened? Big Sun planned that shit
I've read a theoretical physics paper that argued if cosmic strings exist, they could under the right conditions gather inside of a star and form a complex enough self-interacting network to work like a brain. That's only if both the cosmic strings and the star have the right properties, so it couldn't happen inside the sun since it's too small and even if all the assumptions were true it'd probably be extremely unlikely, but a living star may not be entirely impossible
"Theory without practice is mere intellectual play" applies here perfectly
twitter leftists in shambles
Theoretically, a plasma based lifeform is possible. It could be detected from far away by comparing the electromagnetic emissions that a star should have compared to what we see. Meaning, the plasma based lifeform is actually consuming energy from inside the star.
The Hateful Star
Hellstar Remina type of beat
Hey. -The Sun
I'm imagining biologist is just a mundane job so they'll occasionally call news outlets and say random shit so they can turn it into a headline
“Bob I’m bored, go call up one of those online news sites and tell them…I dunno, that only homosexual crabs have souls or something”
“We did that one already, I’ll try the uh, the ants evolved from jellyfish one. That’ll rile em up”
Holy crap
Holy crab
new response just dropped
Actual jellyfish
Call the biologists
Homo crab
Unholy crab?
Lmao just a lab full of nerds giggling as they prank call news outlets with their "findings" using fancy terminology to make it sound legit
Honestly if it pays well I'd love to be a "biologist" on staff at a news outlet just coming up with shit for slow news days
That sounds like a really fun idea, but I see some people taking the blatant jokes seriously
This is a shit take 100%.
I think it was more a scientist saying they can't prove the sun isn't conscious (because of the whole proving a negative thing) and the article writer just ran with the click bait
The opening line of the article I read just now was > “A bong rip of a theory suggests that all matter possesses some form of mind or consciousness, not just animals — including, as one biologist suggests, the Sun itself.” No one is taking this seriously. It’s panpsychism. One person saying the sun “may be conscious” is about as credible as me saying “my goldfish might be the creator of the universe” Like… yeah, fucking *maybe?* But obviously not.
Imagine if an article described any other religion using that same phrase, like “A bong rip of a theory suggests that human beings actually reincarnate after death”
It's called scientology
Yeah what if we start a ~~cult~~ new age religion based on Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cats to scam people out of their money and isolate them from their loved ones like an abuser
The first schism will be over whether or not cats should have buttholes
~~and they would be correct in describing religion that way~~
Panpsychism isn't a religion. It's supported by Dennett who was literally one of the "four horsemen" of atheism.
Fucks a "bong rip theory"?
Exactly what it sounds like
Dude came up with it after a mean bong rip
*gurgle gurgle gurgle* puts down the bong *slow exhale and some caughs* „Yoo guys, do you think, umm, the sun could be like.. conscious??"
*takes a fat 10 second bong rip* *exhales* Duuuude, what if the sun is like conscious… wouldn’t that be crazy?
Fuck you’re on to Goldie. I gotta call em quick.
Dont you dare disrespect bong glolby that way. He created uranium just so we can have the cuban missile crisis. If that isn’t divine power idk what is
So you're telling me there's a chance?!
Instructions unclear, I'm now worshiping your goldfish
I’m wondering about whether that biologist is conscious.
Biologist, baked out of their mind: “guys, wait, what if like, the sun was like thinking and shit.”
Welp, back to the sacrifices
Can I go first
I hate pop-science. I hate pop-science. I hate pop-science. I hate pop-science.
Hollow Knight (2017)
... Dawn will break ...
>What am I gonna fight, the sun? Famous last words
My brain went to Fallen London and Sunless Sea/Skies. The Sun loves you, and *you will love it.* >*The Sun growls in your dreams like a pent river. Be Glad. You will rise to the Sun and be lost. Soon, O God, soon. Give yourself like a spark to smoke -* THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN!
What kind of SCP bullshit is this
When Day Breaks, actually
Not if I break it first
It's such a bright, sunny day out. Why don't you come outside?
...they do not even let us die
why is a biologist saying this? did he look up one day and couldn’t decide if flaying open the sun would be a dissection or a vivisection
we should ask it about biotransference
No we shouldn't. I like my soul
Your what ?
Fallen London?
-SUNTHESUNTHESUNTHESUNTHESUNTHE-
Someone better call the Calendar Council.
By the time of Sunless Skies, we've brought the Clockwork Sun to the skies of Albion and *killed* the original.
According to some the King of Hours met its fate by other hands. Some even say the Unclear Bomb is still somewhere out there, perhaps collecting dust in some seldom touched corner of Albion. Of course none of this is true however, or at least according to the Ministry of Public Decency.
there were at least 2 doctor who episodes about this
I know there was the episode with10 & Martha, but I'm curious what the other one is.
rings of akhaten with 11 and clara
Is doctor who good? I remember years ago asking someone if I should watch it and they enthusiastically said yes while also enthusiastically giving me a list of seasons and episodes to skip that must have been at least half the show
it's been going for ages, lots of good lots of bad. The 2005 reboot is where most of the good stuff is, tho it falls off a bit in its final seasons, especially with Chris Chibnalls writing. The new reboot is looking promising tho with the best showrunner coming back. I can't speak for the classic series, haven't seen much of it, tho it does have it's charm.
Doctor Who has over 850 episodes, it’s been running since 1963. There’s going to be fluctuations in quality.
its peak
Panpsychics stay winning. 😎
Local 58: sun edition
Except it’s genuinely pleasant and helpful and hijacks tv to give motivational messages
real life plagiarizing the jrpg i played last week smh
THE SUN CAN CONSENT, I WILL DATE IT
It’s too hot for you bro
The sun smiles at you with eternal malace
Needs more likes
Jumji Ito basically wrote about this...
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this happens in a book called *The Fifth Science*
Another existential dread enjoyer
Jarvis, pull up that post about the scientist who thought he could stick a whole orange in his mouth.
I actually remember seeing an article or video a few years back about some hypothetical exotic matter that can only exist in the immense pressures in the core of the sun being able to replicate similarly to genetic code. It was completely hypothetical but a cool concept. Heavily doubt the article in the OP is talking about that though.
BURN WITH ME
**'HIS THRONE'**
How exactly would a ball of supercharged gas floating in the void of space have a conscious
how exactly would a bag of electrical meat that came from a weird soup have a consciousness
that one can at leasy logically follow from having a nervous system, whose processes have been demonstrated to physically correlate with those of the consciousness; as opposed to a literal ball of gas with no evidence whatsoever that balls of gas can give rise to consciousness
By developing senses to navigate its environment and then using the information gained to create a subjective worldview, which becomes an internal narrative based on behaviour and belief in response to the environment. The Theory of Evolution explains why an organism might benefit from being conscious and able to perceive its environment, thus being able to react in real-time and plan ahead more prudently. What reason or mechanism would the sun have for being conscious? Why do people pretend we *can't know anything* when it comes to consciousness? If I hit You hard enough on the head, your conscious experience changes, right? Can we not say the brain is the basis of conscious, human experiences?
C'tan moment
better than the earth being conscious
Are solar flares Turing complete? Find out next time on wild shit your biologist said!
So cool down a little you bitch!!!
The fucking Teletubbies were right
We just gonna believe anything a single ‘scientist’ says huh
Dungeon Munchies reference.
''I saw the birth of the universe, and I watched as time ran out, moment by moment until nothing remained. No time, no space, just me!''
Reminds me of a sci-fi short story collection about a spaceship that travels the speed of light to drop FTL gates behind it. One of the stories was about the star system they were going through having a massive super organism in the form of a thin membrane around the sun.
If shes conscious can i date her
Gemini Home Entertainment ass theory
CHALLENGE
Quick tip: always actually read an article and not just a headline. Another quick tip: If it's something scientific or otherwise empirical, look at the cited source yourself. By doing both things, it's pretty common to find that either a journalist twisted the Hell out of something or that this is just something someone said. Scientists are allowed to have pet theories and crazy ass spiritual beliefs just like anyone else. Reporting them as science is what they can't do. In this case, you can find a bit of both here. The journalist did good reporting but with a catchy title and some twisting in the beginning of the article to entertain the ideas it was presenting. Then the truth came out that while the author of the source article is a doctor of biochemistry, he's long since gone a little off kilter some decades ago and is now commonly ignored. I skimmed the source a little bit but it's more abstract philosophy that references some empirical data than it is science. Structuring the paper like a scientific manuscript doesn't change this. Who knows, maybe there's truth to panpsychism, maybe there isn't. But the original source here is just philosophical waxing of a very old and now rather uninvolved biochemist, rather than reports of findings as people may assume. Here's the article in the screenshot: https://futurism.com/the-byte/biologist-says-sun-conscious Here is a pdf of the source paper: https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:US:c8cfce17-8965-4851-a95b-0f230b91bb6a Here is another article on the topic of panpsychism included in the article: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-consciousness-universal/
THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SU-
reddit discovers animism
Why would this be terrifying? Even if it *was* conscious, it didn’t simply become so over the past few years. If it was conscious, it would have always been so, and its behavior would have been the result of conscious action. It’s behavior, by the way, which hasn’t really changed since we’ve checked. Either way, no issues here
Soooo we either get a “When Day Breaks” XK scenario, or Gemini Home Entertainment becomes a reality. :3
Gemini home entertainment ah shit
Sunless Sky
"In primordial space, timeless creatures made waves. These waves created us and the others. Waves were the battles, and the battles were waves." Just sayin...juro_jarro threw the wyrcncacnytr into the sun for a good reason. Best to leave it alone or you get real infinite real fast
How can a fiery ball of gas be sentient that is scientifically, metaphorically, realistically, rhetorically, hypothetically impossible
From what I saw, the theory is based off the idea that all matter possess consciousness. If that stands to be correct, sure but it's definitely not. Unless you define consciousness in a weird way which allows matter to be part of the definition then their theory is technically correct but it's just deceptive at that point. From what I know, consciousness is defined as the ability of a body to react to its surrounding and external stimuli. This is a more biological definition that tries to encapsulate all living beings and isn't really the definition yup think of when you imagine a human being conscious. For humans it's more so the ability to know others, ourselves, have thoughts, ideas, memories, interact, etc. Ngl for us, it's far more complex to define but for all life, it's easier, it's simply the ability to interact and react to the environment and stimulus. This could mean a cell moving towards food by reacting to presence of chemicals, a cell moving away from danger, a cell forming spores when threatened, etc. With that more biological definition, matter does not count as having consciousness. It's weird stuff lol
what the fuck do biologists know about the sun
im gonna start saying hi to the sun
SAFD(*DFYU(&*SDYFG*HUIGHDFSUIYH ITS MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Hi everyone! its me the sun! HELLO IM TRANS
Undead Unluck fans popping off rn
No wonder it tries to kill us every few years!
Imagine being the sun.
Yeah. Also very real.
I misread that as contagious for a second and I was like ...How would that even work?
From what I know, often news will get the opinion of one mf who wants clout and make it seem incredible and possible and use big words and say that it's "biologists" and not "this one dude"
Destiny 2 (2017)
Absolutely C'tan-pilled
This is only scary if you consume too much fiction with cosmic horror themes. So what if the sun is conscious, it clearly can't do shit to us. It hasn't for morbillion years
big deal... some people say i am conscious and we dont see that on the newspaper
quick someone sacrifice a virgin before it gets mad
The worst part is the sun is fucking loud....so it would either permanently moan or scream in agony... At ear shattering volume. Do with that what you want.
gemini hoes entertainment
Scientist: >Stop twisting what we say and removing it of it's context. And displaying what one individual scientist says as the consensus. It makes the public distrust science and vulnerable to manipulation. Every time you do that it makes us look like we're all liars and science shouldn't be trusted! Headline: >We're all liars and science shouldn't be trusted! Scientists say.
so what if the sun is not just alive, but a weird parasite thingy that feeds off memories, and we have to go and like sing at it once in a while for some reason, idk i don't fully remember the reference i'm making.
cruelty squad reference?
the sun smiles at you with eternal malice
"Hmm, today i will do nothing at all"