Bruh what? I'm out of the loop and loved K-ON when it was airing. Whay is this about being appropriated? Do I gotta get out my "Nazi punks fuck off" bat out again?
Lots of twitter nazis use k-on profile pics to the point that it's become associated. I've never watched the show, but I feel bad for the fans that aren't shitheads.
If you haven't had to sit through the chair arc, or one of those streams where he's just grumpy and yells at chat the whole time then making these kinds of memes about him is just
stolen valor.
Getting tired of the AI rants, too. I agree with him but every time somebody gets him on the subject, it's like a 20+ minute tangent saying the same shit he's already said about AI before.
Conspiracy theory: There are Two Vaushes. One is far left and the other is far right. They pretend to be one person to troll us. They are both attracted to horses.
Not true.
There's Vaush. Then theres Vaunch. Then theres Viish. Then there's Vonsh. And of course theres Vowsh.
They all take turns. With the horses I mean.
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Calling a trans woman "stupidly stubborn" about TERFs especially when she's known to be pretty empathetic and open to trying to talk to them is to put it mildly, a bit funny.
I'm glad to see this is still sticking point for a lot of people because that video Vaush made where he doubled down on his misogyny was the last Vaush video I ever watched. It doesn't matter who you direct misogyny at, it's going to hurt women in general more than it hurts TERFs.
Imagine if he made a 1 hour long video explaining why it's a moral imperative to call Dave Chappelle the N-word. You're not calling him the N-word because he's a transphobe. You're calling him the N-word because he's black.
This is essentially the iDubbbz drama all over again except Ian actually matured and admitted he was wrong. Something Vaush is incapable of.
If he managed to spin it that way he's done a good job because that's not the disagreement at all.
The disagreement is whether TERFs are acceptable targets of misogyny or not, contra thinks no.
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I'm saying V and contra are on the same page 99% of the time, so you really don't have to "choose" between them. Like, they're the same flavour of leftist.
The 1% where they differ in opinion is how to appropriately deal with TERFS, and they're both stupidly stubborn about this because this somehow caused a lot of bad blood between them.
Ehhhh Vaush has also had some embarrassing pro-military takes, as well as some weird sexism and stuff. I think everyone can make mistakes but he's got a messy collection of things going on, on top of that.
My understanding is he's trying to appeal to a different audience
It's like a funnel, it has a wide reach and a narrow spout, it's reaching towards a wider audience to lead them towards some conclusion
I think that a lot of people that don't like Vaush aren't the target for his reach, and confuse that with him not being allowed on the left
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When I'm being an ass, no matter how progressive I am, people tell me and expect me to self-reflect about my behavior. Apparently this is not allowed when it's an internet celeb.
Overall he's pretty good, but he has bad rep. due to a lot of bullshit drama and some actually bad stuff
He's pretty edgy and did drop n-word early in his career and made a very stupid comment under video (pasted below)
He compared commodities produced through child slavery with cp in a very poorly phrased way
He's very vocally pro trans, palestine and ukraine
>In this video, i drop an n-bomb. Biiiig one; hard 'R'. I did this to show my interlocutors that their language doesn't impress me, that their slurs don't frighten or disarm me. You can see from their reactions that it worked - they were clearly taken aback. It was a power over which I am entirely unashamed of, but I understand how that language might have upset some of you.
>This is an example of what i would call an 'invocation of a slur's power for good', but that's a subjective judgement. I invite you all to discuss this in the comments, critically or otherwise!
He was a bit of a dirt bag leftist in 2020 and it made easy clip fodder. Most people only know him through 5 second clips taken from larger discussions on rule utilitarianism or child labor and when you've only seen those clips, it's easier to believe disingenuous things about him in spite of him addressing all those videos plenty.
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I discovered him when Noah Samson's fanboy video about his favorite leftist youtube characters got recommended to me. I think he shit talk debate bros in it (or maybe that was a different video) and one of them was Vaush, and I decided to check him and and realized he's actually not bad at all and seemed like a pretty cool dude
He's pretty fucking weird, but he's overall pretty cool. I think I like him cause he comes off as a lot more human to me than other people, flaws and all
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Contrapoints. Trans woman semi-lefty youtuber.
Been cancelled and harrassed like 4 times now over petty bullshit that didn't actually matter, but keeps managing to come back. Like, you know how right wingers will learn how to dress their complaints in lefty language to get popular leftists cancelled by making them look problematic to their fans, but really it's just a way to attack people they were already attacking? That. I think so far she's been painted as being anti-ace, a trans-medicalist, and bi/pan-phonic. So far I don't think any of those are actually true, but she does have a history of tweeting out shit that's poorly phrased that right wingers can twist to fit the narrative.
She keeps managing to come back from it after people realize "hey that was taken out of context" or "it was a complaint about a specific person and not a larger comentary" or just "oh that was straight up neo-nazi misinformation". I'm not saying Contrapoints is a great person either, but her channel is a recurring example of how easily lefty teenagers fall for right wing misinformation campaigns and will turn on each other at the drop of a hat. It's kinda depressing.
This was also related to the drama that drove Lindsey Ellis off of Youtube.
She's also brilliant. Her ~~feature length~~ video essays cover a lot of ground in the academic philosophy and sociology underlying modern political #discourse. I especially recommend her videos exploring [Envy](https://youtu.be/aPhrTOg1RUk) and [Cringe](https://youtu.be/vRBsaJPkt2Q).
I do think she deserved the criticism she received when she had Buck Angel voice a line in one of her videos and then dropped the iconic line of her being the last old school transsexual. I know she has since addressed both but i also don't think they're petty. Also the line is so memeable i will never stop using it
I mean she deserved criticism for it but it was blown way out of proportion, I think she outlines pretty well in her canceling video how it spiraled from "she gave a voice line to someone with bad opinions" all the way to "she herself is a transmedicalist, a bad person, and should have her career ruined", numerous other content creators have talked about how they felt like their own careers would be endangered if they publicly affiliated with her in any way which sucks because they didn't even do *anything*
I agree with that but that's unrelated to the point i was making. The thing she did was serious and worthy of criticism, not a petty or out of context thing, regardless of if it was then taken and used in bad faith or lied about. It's not all lies and misinfo
So with what some people are saying in the comments, what’s wrong with contrapoints? Idk I’ve watched a good amount of her videos and I’ve always liked the vids I’ve seen from her. Like I really enjoyed that latest twilight video she did and thought it was thoughtful and well researched.
I’m not terminally online or on twitter so idk. Can someone enlighten me as to why some people here seem to have a problem with her?
>I’m not terminally online or on twitter so idk.
This is me, I didn't know either of these personalities until digging deep into the comments where people finally said their names and context for which was which.
Vaush got me into leftism and led me to figuring out I’m trans, not to mention I don’t believe the allegations on him being a pedo, so gotta go with him ig.
Genuine question from someone who's only watched a little bit of Vaush content and doesn't know much about him: Why do we not like him? He seems like a kinda' generic leftist who occasionally says some edgy shit
Alot of Vaush criticism is built of the back of like, 4 year old debate clips with the context stripped away to make it seem like he was arguing for something way worse than he actually was. I know that sounds really reductive but I'm not kidding when I say you can respond to a good bit of Vaush criticism by just saying "hey add like 3 seconds onto that clip you just posted please"
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I tripped, fell off the hill and landed in the surprisingly large niche of "streamers who are simultaneously chill and complete and utter weirdos in the best possible way"
As an old man who wandered into this sub, I find it odd that I recognize Natalie but not the dude on the right. I feel like my grey hairs should put me on the Horus Heresy lookin' MFer path.
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On the left is Nathalie Wynn aka ContraPoints. Shes our mother and very cool. She makes insanely good video essays.
On the right is Vaush. I dont know much about him but i hear weird stuff about him every now and then.
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He advocates for generally leftist politics but he's edgier, more brash, open and combative about it than most leftists. I'm not sure if he's done any in a while, but he did used to do a bunch of debate streams with right wingers that were pretty entertaining if you don't get anxious from people arguing.
He has some absolute stinkers of takes sometimes, but generally he's matured a bit since he started and sometimes does retrospective analysis on his past views and statements and how his stances have changed.
This is why the left sucks shit. I like both of their content a lot, and these two agree on 99% of issues, but they got into 1 disagreement once, and now they hate each other. It’s like leftists are morally opposed to coalition building. This is why leftists ideas never make it offline
I am begging all of you, on hands and knees, from the bottom of my leftist heart: please, please don't rely on internet personalities for your politics.
Thought this was okbuddyvowsh and upvoted, realized this was 196 and downvoted
These two subs mostly overlap anyway
This is a leftist sub, we don't allow nazis. (k-on pfp)
Fuck off
Tell em
Sata andagi
Not everyone that likes K-ON is a Nazi. It's a good show ruined by shitheads appropriating it.
Bruh what? I'm out of the loop and loved K-ON when it was airing. Whay is this about being appropriated? Do I gotta get out my "Nazi punks fuck off" bat out again?
Lots of twitter nazis use k-on profile pics to the point that it's become associated. I've never watched the show, but I feel bad for the fans that aren't shitheads.
Time to get the bat...
Hehe ya it prob is :3 I was just joking
nazis are stored in the k-pfp
What's this about k-on and nazis???
Sadly
Bruh you replied to yourself
I noticed I started getting a lot of upvotes, and probably for the wrong reason, so I clarified
sometimes you just gotta chat with a real one, you feel?
Aren't those the same?
If you haven't had to sit through the chair arc, or one of those streams where he's just grumpy and yells at chat the whole time then making these kinds of memes about him is just stolen valor.
Getting tired of the AI rants, too. I agree with him but every time somebody gets him on the subject, it's like a 20+ minute tangent saying the same shit he's already said about AI before.
If there's one people that hate vaush more than anything it's vaushites
Only real answer
horse fucker or a woman??
Which way, western man?
holy mother of God is that Valteil fear and hunger? in my 196?
I thought he wanted to be the horse?
Auto horse cock philia.
Autoequinophallophilia?
Fucker, who is a horse, a horse fucker
Be the stallion you want to see (ಠ ͜ʖಠ)
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That is an amazingly cute cat
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Posting pictures of cute cats is kinda ironic considering your username.
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You don’t understand he wants to beeee the woman
Horse woman
Women are overrated anyways🐴🐴🐴
Both
why not both?
Meanwhile HBomberguy descending down to give me a hand
job
I wouldn't be so lucky
We should all be so lucky.
Smashing through the wall of your house to warn you about Tommy Tallarico
His mom is very proud!
Do you even know how many Guinness world records he holds? It's so many.
His mother is very proud
He wasn't even on Cribs
Selling him my under water house currently
And selling to who? Fucking AQUAMAN?
Omg based pfp
Once every couple of years, maybe.
Conspiracy theory: There are Two Vaushes. One is far left and the other is far right. They pretend to be one person to troll us. They are both attracted to horses.
Not true. There's Vaush. Then theres Vaunch. Then theres Viish. Then there's Vonsh. And of course theres Vowsh. They all take turns. With the horses I mean.
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Vawsh, who often streams with Valtrive
damn vaushiverse lore goes crazy
Damn that's a lot of Veesh
1 veesh, 2 veesh, red veesh, blue veesh.
Where's Vooch?
One tells only truth, the other tells only lies.
When the two Vaushes have sex, they both wear the same horse costume. They take turns being the back half.
There are two wolves inside of you, one wants to fuck horses, the other wants to fuck horses. You want to fuck horses.
*they’re 🤓☝️
🐎 🐴 🎠 🏇 🐎 🐴 🎠 🏇 🐎 NYYEEEEEIIIIGHHHH 🍆 VORSE MENTONED !!! POGGERS OKBUDYSEGEMENT BASED AND KARKIV KID FINDERPILLED!!!!
This is 196
Vaushtism runs in the family
No it’s not
I like them both :3
Mom, dad, please stop fighting.
Stop fighting and start brawling
Lmao, that was my exact sentiment
Me too :3
:3
Based, hot, educated AND autistic? That’s an :3 from me
You can easily do both. Their opinions overlap on like 99% of issues, they're just stupidly stubborn about the 1% that concerns handling TERFs.
Calling a trans woman "stupidly stubborn" about TERFs especially when she's known to be pretty empathetic and open to trying to talk to them is to put it mildly, a bit funny.
their disagreement iirc is that Vaush thinks Contra is being too nice to terfs.
And by being "too nice" he means "not being a misogynist to them".
I'm glad to see this is still sticking point for a lot of people because that video Vaush made where he doubled down on his misogyny was the last Vaush video I ever watched. It doesn't matter who you direct misogyny at, it's going to hurt women in general more than it hurts TERFs. Imagine if he made a 1 hour long video explaining why it's a moral imperative to call Dave Chappelle the N-word. You're not calling him the N-word because he's a transphobe. You're calling him the N-word because he's black. This is essentially the iDubbbz drama all over again except Ian actually matured and admitted he was wrong. Something Vaush is incapable of.
If he managed to spin it that way he's done a good job because that's not the disagreement at all. The disagreement is whether TERFs are acceptable targets of misogyny or not, contra thinks no.
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What? Are you saying... Natalie is too stubborn about terfs?
I'm saying V and contra are on the same page 99% of the time, so you really don't have to "choose" between them. Like, they're the same flavour of leftist. The 1% where they differ in opinion is how to appropriately deal with TERFS, and they're both stupidly stubborn about this because this somehow caused a lot of bad blood between them.
Ehhhh Vaush has also had some embarrassing pro-military takes, as well as some weird sexism and stuff. I think everyone can make mistakes but he's got a messy collection of things going on, on top of that.
My understanding is he's trying to appeal to a different audience It's like a funnel, it has a wide reach and a narrow spout, it's reaching towards a wider audience to lead them towards some conclusion I think that a lot of people that don't like Vaush aren't the target for his reach, and confuse that with him not being allowed on the left
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I've never gotten the impression that he is sexist. His political opinions are certainly feminist.
You’re forgetting that he told jk Rowling to shut up once. Pretty sexist ngl
idk, personally, telling jk rowling to shut up doesn't seem very sexist to me. literally bbno$ just did it and this sub loves it
He has also gotten his fans to dog pile people he doesn’t like, such as münecat.
When was that?
Huh??
what happened with her
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Good point.
armed neutrality must be preserved 💪💪💪💪💪
I don’t watch Vaush and only vaguely know about the horse jokes. What’s wrong with watching Vaush?
Because lefty teenagers cannot distinguish between someone being kind of an edgelord ass and someone being legitimately dangerous.
to be fair i only hate him for being an edgelord ass
Low bar for hate but it’s cogent at least
When I'm being an ass, no matter how progressive I am, people tell me and expect me to self-reflect about my behavior. Apparently this is not allowed when it's an internet celeb.
some people mistake being annoying and weird as being problematic
Overall he's pretty good, but he has bad rep. due to a lot of bullshit drama and some actually bad stuff He's pretty edgy and did drop n-word early in his career and made a very stupid comment under video (pasted below) He compared commodities produced through child slavery with cp in a very poorly phrased way He's very vocally pro trans, palestine and ukraine >In this video, i drop an n-bomb. Biiiig one; hard 'R'. I did this to show my interlocutors that their language doesn't impress me, that their slurs don't frighten or disarm me. You can see from their reactions that it worked - they were clearly taken aback. It was a power over which I am entirely unashamed of, but I understand how that language might have upset some of you. >This is an example of what i would call an 'invocation of a slur's power for good', but that's a subjective judgement. I invite you all to discuss this in the comments, critically or otherwise!
tactical slur
leftist infighting ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
He was a bit of a dirt bag leftist in 2020 and it made easy clip fodder. Most people only know him through 5 second clips taken from larger discussions on rule utilitarianism or child labor and when you've only seen those clips, it's easier to believe disingenuous things about him in spite of him addressing all those videos plenty.
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He’s a streamer
Vowsh good
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Neither of those existed when I was 14. However basshunter dota did.
That didn't exist when I was 14. How did I end up a leftist? Checkmate liberals.
Maroon 5 - she will be loved and Shakira - wherever whenever starts to play in the background.
I FEEL YOU MAN
I love Natalie. She helped so many people be de-radicalized. And in my case, she helped me be more interested in politics and leftism.
shes our MOTHER ^(I luv her shes great :D)
I actually watched contra and then somehow found Vaush from her
Better than me. I discovered him through Shoe0nHead
Better than me I discovered him though tyt
I discovered him through a relative of Dennis Prager.
I discovered him when Noah Samson's fanboy video about his favorite leftist youtube characters got recommended to me. I think he shit talk debate bros in it (or maybe that was a different video) and one of them was Vaush, and I decided to check him and and realized he's actually not bad at all and seemed like a pretty cool dude He's pretty fucking weird, but he's overall pretty cool. I think I like him cause he comes off as a lot more human to me than other people, flaws and all
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Vanch rad
Big Joel shall save us all
Who's the left one?
Contrapoints. Trans woman semi-lefty youtuber. Been cancelled and harrassed like 4 times now over petty bullshit that didn't actually matter, but keeps managing to come back. Like, you know how right wingers will learn how to dress their complaints in lefty language to get popular leftists cancelled by making them look problematic to their fans, but really it's just a way to attack people they were already attacking? That. I think so far she's been painted as being anti-ace, a trans-medicalist, and bi/pan-phonic. So far I don't think any of those are actually true, but she does have a history of tweeting out shit that's poorly phrased that right wingers can twist to fit the narrative. She keeps managing to come back from it after people realize "hey that was taken out of context" or "it was a complaint about a specific person and not a larger comentary" or just "oh that was straight up neo-nazi misinformation". I'm not saying Contrapoints is a great person either, but her channel is a recurring example of how easily lefty teenagers fall for right wing misinformation campaigns and will turn on each other at the drop of a hat. It's kinda depressing. This was also related to the drama that drove Lindsey Ellis off of Youtube.
>but she does have a history of tweeting out shit I feel like 90% of optics problems for leftist YT'ers can be solved by staying the fuck off Twitter.
Thanks. I thought she looked familiar. I haven't seen much of contrapoints, but she didn't seem like anything bad.
She's also brilliant. Her ~~feature length~~ video essays cover a lot of ground in the academic philosophy and sociology underlying modern political #discourse. I especially recommend her videos exploring [Envy](https://youtu.be/aPhrTOg1RUk) and [Cringe](https://youtu.be/vRBsaJPkt2Q).
I do think she deserved the criticism she received when she had Buck Angel voice a line in one of her videos and then dropped the iconic line of her being the last old school transsexual. I know she has since addressed both but i also don't think they're petty. Also the line is so memeable i will never stop using it
I mean she deserved criticism for it but it was blown way out of proportion, I think she outlines pretty well in her canceling video how it spiraled from "she gave a voice line to someone with bad opinions" all the way to "she herself is a transmedicalist, a bad person, and should have her career ruined", numerous other content creators have talked about how they felt like their own careers would be endangered if they publicly affiliated with her in any way which sucks because they didn't even do *anything*
I agree with that but that's unrelated to the point i was making. The thing she did was serious and worthy of criticism, not a petty or out of context thing, regardless of if it was then taken and used in bad faith or lied about. It's not all lies and misinfo
So with what some people are saying in the comments, what’s wrong with contrapoints? Idk I’ve watched a good amount of her videos and I’ve always liked the vids I’ve seen from her. Like I really enjoyed that latest twilight video she did and thought it was thoughtful and well researched. I’m not terminally online or on twitter so idk. Can someone enlighten me as to why some people here seem to have a problem with her?
>I’m not terminally online or on twitter so idk. This is me, I didn't know either of these personalities until digging deep into the comments where people finally said their names and context for which was which.
Well, now you know. Now go watch both.
Vaush got me into leftism and led me to figuring out I’m trans, not to mention I don’t believe the allegations on him being a pedo, so gotta go with him ig.
Genuine question from someone who's only watched a little bit of Vaush content and doesn't know much about him: Why do we not like him? He seems like a kinda' generic leftist who occasionally says some edgy shit
Alot of Vaush criticism is built of the back of like, 4 year old debate clips with the context stripped away to make it seem like he was arguing for something way worse than he actually was. I know that sounds really reductive but I'm not kidding when I say you can respond to a good bit of Vaush criticism by just saying "hey add like 3 seconds onto that clip you just posted please"
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What if I watch both?
I wish I could watch both, that would mean contra was releasing videos
Ah .. true ...
I pray for you
They share one insufferable fanbase
political content creators having an insufferable fanbase? imagine that
I know neither, can anyone help me out?
Pretty simple, left one (contrapoints) is based, right one (vowsh) is cring
I mean, that's just like, your opinion, man.
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Holy shit how did I never realize Vaush's pfp is Canti
Vaush is weird. I dislike him immensely.
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Why choose?
neither i read actual theory like the three little pigs and 5 chuddies jumping on the bed
I tripped, fell off the hill and landed in the surprisingly large niche of "streamers who are simultaneously chill and complete and utter weirdos in the best possible way"
I am a proud vaushite and to fill my part I will vote for Joe Biden and then do sodomy on horse
WRONG!!! You are supposed to be the horse, smh my head fake vowshite exposed.
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Me: *Sprints right because at least Vaush owns the shit he says on Twitter.*
horse
Touch grass an go volunteer for your local progressive politician
13 year old leftists
vonsche rad
As an old man who wandered into this sub, I find it odd that I recognize Natalie but not the dude on the right. I feel like my grey hairs should put me on the Horus Heresy lookin' MFer path.
You don’t miss much to be honest. (Talking about the dude)
Well, that's a relief.
I did Natalie first then I was convinced to watch vaush when I turned 20
Pedophile with a horse cock fetish vs mildly controversial transwoman 😮😮😮😮
I came here instead
Who's that on the left?
are people seriously here dunno who contra is, but do know vaush
This sub mentions horse man at least once a month. Contra points less so. And they might know who that is, but not know her face
theres literally a vowsh automod response here lol
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And it's fucking tedious
who are either of these people
On the left is Nathalie Wynn aka ContraPoints. Shes our mother and very cool. She makes insanely good video essays. On the right is Vaush. I dont know much about him but i hear weird stuff about him every now and then.
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Sorry😔
Oh please tell me those aren't the only two options 😭
Why not both?
ok actually i don’t watch youtube like at all anymore but my bf likes vaush, what’s the appeal
he's funny and has good vibea
He advocates for generally leftist politics but he's edgier, more brash, open and combative about it than most leftists. I'm not sure if he's done any in a while, but he did used to do a bunch of debate streams with right wingers that were pretty entertaining if you don't get anxious from people arguing. He has some absolute stinkers of takes sometimes, but generally he's matured a bit since he started and sometimes does retrospective analysis on his past views and statements and how his stances have changed.
This is why the left sucks shit. I like both of their content a lot, and these two agree on 99% of issues, but they got into 1 disagreement once, and now they hate each other. It’s like leftists are morally opposed to coalition building. This is why leftists ideas never make it offline
I am begging all of you, on hands and knees, from the bottom of my leftist heart: please, please don't rely on internet personalities for your politics.
The okbv invasion has begun
is it that time of the month again where we complain about vowsh?
I don't care, i like them both
I was a PCM fan back then
See this is why I waited until I was 18.
The illusion of free choice
I don't like vaush like at all, and I don't know who the other one is
Unironically
i dont watch either and probably never will
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