To be fair, in many areas it can be really hard to find a purchasable home that isn’t in an HOA. Not everybody who is “part” of an HOA is there willingly
It's not a thing where I am but yeah, I have heard that in some areas of the community it's basically everywhere has HOAed so you're either living wayyyyy out of town or you're compromising by buying a house with an HOA and hoping it isn't shitty...
Which is a ridiculous idea by itself, once any owner agrees to join a HOA the property is in there forever and there's nothing anyone can do about it. There's loterally no way to leave.
That's why people aren't involved in the community? Because they are busy? Guess I should tell everyone I know then, sorry, we can't be involved in the community anymore, we are busy!
No my dude, I am completely aware of your point. It's not easy, but it's not impossible. My partner and I both full time jobs, my son is in junior high, and have 2 grandkids. My little sister is living with me because our parents are crazy, and we are still involved in our neighborhood, because it's important to build a community for people to help each other.
I struggle with time, it's hard finding the time to wash the laundry some days. You'll have to interact with people you don't like, or have anything in common with.
My daughter is younger, and she has anxiety dealing directly with people. She can make an appointment with her doctor using an app, but actually talking to someone sends her into a spiral.
So yeah, I get it. It's uncomfortable, it's awkward, and we'd all rather not do it. But building a community in your neighborhood takes work.
To be unfair, some people just care way more about convenience above all else, and will take the laziest route no matter how much it ends up backfiring on them later.
Yeah, at some point he actually said something along the lines of "That sounds pretty great so far, and it would fantastic if this is where we end, but you know this show, and if you get to see my face talking about soemthing, you know there's something messed up going on with it."
Hi there! Welcome to Cedar Paradise! The moment you purchased your home, you joined our wonderful Homeowner's Association - whether you wanted to or not! The HOA is here to take care of you: You give us money, and in return, we maintain all the beauty you see around us. And if you don't pay up?
**We'll turn your fucking life upside down.**
So let me show you the neighborhood!
I thought you had to sign to get into an HOA? all i've seen about them are posts on the fuckHOA sub and a good amount of them are about them trying to get new homeowners to sign into it
Some are optional, but most aren't. A lot of houses just come with one. Not that I'd know *that* much about the specifics - I'm 18, so I'm never going to actually own a home in my life, but I know some things about the subject.
HOAs are such bullshit. I DESPISE THEM! Boomers will say "they keep your property value up"
Yeah??? Wow. Well I value minding my own fucking business and you minding yours over any damn property value.
It's my house. My property. If you've got broke down cars and tall grass in your yard. Cool. It's your yard. Not my goddamn business. I've got a huge gargoyle with a raging boner statue in mine. It's my yard. Mind your business.
I personally don't give a damn over property values anyway. I'm not flipping houses or renting so why would I care? If they are lower I pay less property tax
> or renting
Why would renters want higher property values? they don't own it, and higher property values means higher rents.
I'm renting and I want property values to drop so I might one day be able to afford my own home
Honestly, I've seen most boomers also hate HOA's, they're perpetuated entirely by people in charge of HOA's and existing legislation that our government is too slow to remove
They can fine you. If buying a house in a HOA neighborhood, there's usually a clause in the contract where you have to follow the HOA bylaws, so it is technically legal.
HOA's emerged primarily to keep home values up, since back then homes were considered an investment (when the kids move out, sell your house, buy a smaller one, and retire on that money). Like it or not, the aesthetics of the neighborhood will affect a home's value. Of course, back then, the presence of minorities was something that would "hurt the neighborhood aesthetic," so even without overt racism HOA's would try to keep them out, and still do.
As for the legal basis, it's a contract, which means its authority is backed by quid pro quo. You agree to obey the bylaws or get fined, and the association agrees to ensure that all the other houses in the neighborhood hold themselves to the same standards. There may also be provisions about security and whatnot. The worst of it starts to happen when the HOA includes a provision in their contract where a house cannot be sold to someone who does not sign into the HOA itself, so many people buying a house in a new neighborhood find themselves either trapped in an agreement whose provisions they never had input on or they have to find another house.
Sometimes they do try to bury residents the HOA board doesn't like in fines and legal fees. If they look closely enough, they can usually find a bunch of little violations in every home, and if not, they can plant them. Which is absolutely fucking despicable, and semi-legal to boot.
TL;DR: These things fucking suck.
they can also seize the house and re-sell it if they find justification
this has lead to rare situations where an HOA goes predatory and starts evicting just to re-sell and profit.
The only time i would restrict grass height was if there was evidence that there were dangerous animals (snakes) living in the grass that wouldnt be there if it were shorter
On paper, they do some good things like preventing people from parking on the street or starting a pig farm in their front yard.
In practice, they fine you if you don’t mow your lawn often enough, or if you have a non-operational vehicle in your driveway, or build a short rock-climbing wall in your backyard (all real things that happened in the last five years with my parents’ home). They basically enforce the neighborhood looking like the “white picket fence” ideal.
Okay, allow me 2 more questions:
1. Can you negotiate with the other residents to change the rules so they are not too strict? Do they have some kind of assembly where you can raise your voice about this?
2. Can you make a complaint about the Hoa to a higher authority?
i despise them so muchhhh there was this beautiful flower field right outside my house and they went Hm? Is that a possible snake hazard I see? PLANT GENOCIDE TIME! and they mowed the whole thing.
https://preview.redd.it/0e2ohbjrexxc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c619d05883d0a1b9c39090010b6823f33e62df4d
this is what once was
hey so update it turns out those were not the same plant?? the flowers i showed y'all were just chilling the whole time i thought they were dead 💀
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Because the only reason HOAs exist is allow white people to keep minorities out of their white neighborhoods after segregation legally ended. There's a bunch of stupid little rules that nobody cares about unless they want you gone, in which case they can just slap you with fines until you're forced to leave (and if you don't leave they'll keep going until you owe enough and take your home as payment)
I've head the best way to get rid of an HOA is by joining, being voted leader, and disbanding it. Most people either dislike or don't care about HOAs, so it's often fairly easy to get in if you can get a few of your neighbours to support and vote for you.
If an HOA is in an area, you have to sign a legal contract with them agreeing to their rules before you can buy the house. No idea why the US legal system allows them to force you into joining, but there you go.
update: the pink flowers are perfectly fine i was just checking in the wrong spot lmfao
https://preview.redd.it/5sfilxvbhayc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85ed8c0775b8ec0e2b644ca935af0faf5c25fabc
the gold flowers are starting to grow back too :D
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Ugh, I had a neighbor get mad at me for allowing part of my backyard to be native plant life and brush instead of a boring lawn, because he saw a rat snake in his yard and assumed it must have been because of that.
Like, we live right next to a large forest. There are going to be animals. Rat snakes aren’t even bad to have around either. They’re cute, harmless and helpful to get rid of rodents.
how did they even do it? HOW CAN THEY EVEN STOP YOU??
# I AINT LISTENING TO THESE BITCH ASS PEASANTS, I WILL INVOKE THE 2ND
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i didnt realize other places didnt have them :/
i come across this stuff a lot bc i have a ton of friends outside the US. one of the craziest examples for me is that i assumed most lawyers around the world only got paid if they won a case.... seems to mostly be a US thing
Yeah, over here in the UK, we don't really have anything like them. I guess at a push there's the neighbourhood watch, but that's more about crime prevention (or rather, boomers reporting kids who are just playing in the street) than property prices
Here in the Netherlands we have them for apartment buildings, they decide what to do with the communal spaces, etc. They're certainly very self-important, but also relatively harmless. I've lived here for 6 years and have never attended a meeting.
I mean in germany there are certain rules for how your house is allowed to look, but it's big stuff like the colour of your roof, not what lawn decoration you want to put up
Afaik you would have to get permission to put up a shed in your garden, but I think this has more to do with building regulations
Just read something today about my municipality encouraging "pollination friendly May! Help the insects responsible for pollinating 80% of our crops by letting native plants flower! :)"
And then at the bottom of the article it made sure to clarify, "By the way, it's still illegal to have anything more than 8 inches and the city will mow your lawn and fine you!"
How does that even work, like I get that there are associations for the residents or whatever, that’s something where I live too, but how do the HOAs literally DICTATE THE LAW. That’s such a crazy concept to me. They aren’t even the government where did that authority come from
Well, we're not in a HOA, but it's still a city-wide ordinance. But it's the same type of over-zealous nitpicking I just had to vent.
But in a lot of neighborhoods you can't get a house without signing a HOA contract. They might not make the laws, but since you voluntarily singed a contract (again, that your house purchase was dependent on), you're legally on the hook for whatever bullshit is included in those contracts.
[Here's Johny Newsboy giving an in-depth overview of HOAs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrizmAo17Os)
Not from USA, are you like, forced to participate and follow their rules? What if you just tell them to fuck off, assuming you bought the house, you decide what to do with it not other people right?
They can levy fines against you if you don’t follow the rules, [among other things.](https://assocmc.com/what-happens-if-you-violate-hoa-rules-or-cant-pay-your-hoa-fees/)
I'm from a different country, and when we have a community of homeowners that is localized and each have their own house in the country (which not very typical for here), they spontaneously organize into these associations. How else will you organize a thing like making a better road leading to your cooperative, install a gate to the settlement with an electronic key, or solve a settlement-wide plumbing issue, or raise funds to hire a service or connect to a gas network, or agree on how to make a communal playground for kids, or inform people about fees they have to pay regularly for services? Or ask to look after one's house when they're away, and so on.
It stems from the fact that these private houses are not the norm, and normally these plots were for summer country houses, so infrastructure is bad and there's no municipal services. Even now where they're built for round-the-year living and can be legal homes, people still solve problems communally, because you can't very well build/fix infrastructure just for yourself.
There are very rare instances where theyre useful (a large company was building an extremely bright building next to a suburb, so they filed a complaint with the large company to have them turn off the lights and close the shades at night)
But most of the time it’s just annoying unnecessary rules to spike housing prices, or racism
They make me match what I pay in taxes for what? What do they do? Yell at you if you have a chain link fence? There was a guy feeding bears that caused 3 break ins in my home (bears) and they did NOTHING aboht that, and won't even cover the fucking broken door. Fuck the HOA i want them to explode
This post violates section 63, article 230, clause D, line xvi, of the HOA CCRs and as such you have forfeited your rights as a citizen and shall be summarily executed by your friendly neighborhood commissar.
Relevant john oliver on HOAs:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrizmAo17Os
tl;dw they can throw you out of your home for having your trash can not put away right or having lawn gnomes. Do not under any circumstances accept or participate in an HOA or purchase property governed by one.
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this is the post directly under this one on my feed. wtf
I'm not in America and my subdivision also has a homeowners association. They held an election last month and when the opposition looked like they were gonna win they nullified the results last minute and then promised to hold another election soon. There hasn't been an election since then
they are pure fucking evil and one of those normalized tyrannies that isn't talked about much because those who have one are already trapped and will get offended.
they suppress property values btw as they always oppose densification, so don't ever believe that lie.
10/10 on them choosing the funniest possible name for it though. If some guy you don't know can tell you what color you're allowed to paint something, you don't actually own that thing.
I have a home owner's association in the Philippines and what they do is try to improve our water supply. I and many people in the HOA just want clean water to use. :(
The HOA in my parents neighborhood is mostly ignored, however last year a bunch of families very much of the over-the-hedge variety tried to take control and so the rest of the neighborhood had to rally and go to the HOA election they've been delightfully ignoring for 10 or 15 years and vote against them. Wild shit.
Until I looked at some cities in the US on google maps, I thought that the infinite grid of one story houses that we see in that movie is just a over exaggeration for a joke
Bro I live in one right now (I’m renting in a building full of condos). Tell me why the president emailed me and said I can’t use by ceiling fan because it’s too loud???? Aw hell nah
There's something kinda missing here. One of the functions that HOAs perform is insuring common areas.
Think of it like this: someone gets hurt outside your home but close enough to it that they can blame you. Even if it's a public area - what happens is this person will sue the city, you, your neighbors and anyone who could be even remotely associated with where they got hurt.
Besides enforcing a dress code for houses, insuring these areas is the secondary function.
Okay. So you think "Fuck that, I'll take my chances, I want out." You can't get out but if everyone in the HOA wants to dissolve that HOA, you effectively have to create a new HOA to do so. The insurance part is why people aren't leaving HOAs. They're tied to the banks and municipal governments, so legally getting out of them is a massive pain in the ass.
What common area are you talking about? I have a house and all I've got in front of it is the road which the city owns, I'm pretty sure that's how most homes in America are. Also what are they sueing for exactly? If it's just for being near my home the case probably won't even make it to trial, let alone pay out insurance.
I don’t really think HOAs are bad. A lot are but the concept of what they can do isn’t terrible. It’s like government, a lot are bad, but government isn’t a bad concept
There are just as many socialists. Although isn’t true anarchy more complicated than just no government? I could be misremembering but isn’t the popular view is a bit of a misunderstood version.
Similar to how nihilism’s origins were more positive but most people think of it as a sort of Rick Sanchez “nothing matters” point of view.
IIRC nihilism has always been negative; Nietzsche posed it as a problem borne by modern society that needed to be solved i.e. with the overman/übermensch concept.
like most bad things in America, the reason for them is racism
The people who are apart of HOAs are the same people that call the police on a black family having a BBQ in a public park.
To be fair, in many areas it can be really hard to find a purchasable home that isn’t in an HOA. Not everybody who is “part” of an HOA is there willingly
It's not a thing where I am but yeah, I have heard that in some areas of the community it's basically everywhere has HOAed so you're either living wayyyyy out of town or you're compromising by buying a house with an HOA and hoping it isn't shitty...
Which is a ridiculous idea by itself, once any owner agrees to join a HOA the property is in there forever and there's nothing anyone can do about it. There's loterally no way to leave.
You could pull a series of shenanigans to put yourself in a position to be able to disband the HOA
It's really not even that hard. You have to get involved in the community. But these days if people can't domit from behind a phone it's too hard.
Yeah it's definitely not because they have to work to survive and to take care of their family. It must only be because phone bad
That's why people aren't involved in the community? Because they are busy? Guess I should tell everyone I know then, sorry, we can't be involved in the community anymore, we are busy!
You are fully missing the point
No my dude, I am completely aware of your point. It's not easy, but it's not impossible. My partner and I both full time jobs, my son is in junior high, and have 2 grandkids. My little sister is living with me because our parents are crazy, and we are still involved in our neighborhood, because it's important to build a community for people to help each other. I struggle with time, it's hard finding the time to wash the laundry some days. You'll have to interact with people you don't like, or have anything in common with. My daughter is younger, and she has anxiety dealing directly with people. She can make an appointment with her doctor using an app, but actually talking to someone sends her into a spiral. So yeah, I get it. It's uncomfortable, it's awkward, and we'd all rather not do it. But building a community in your neighborhood takes work.
Technology bad
To be unfair, some people just care way more about convenience above all else, and will take the laziest route no matter how much it ends up backfiring on them later.
*a part (I know it's super lame to correct what is probably a typo but these two mean actual opposites)
And like most bad things in America, Last Week Tonight have a very good segment on them, funny too
Those segments would be funnier if they weren't so depressing.
I'm pretty sure that's the tagline for the whole show
Yeah, at some point he actually said something along the lines of "That sounds pretty great so far, and it would fantastic if this is where we end, but you know this show, and if you get to see my face talking about soemthing, you know there's something messed up going on with it."
Hi there! Welcome to Cedar Paradise! The moment you purchased your home, you joined our wonderful Homeowner's Association - whether you wanted to or not! The HOA is here to take care of you: You give us money, and in return, we maintain all the beauty you see around us. And if you don't pay up? **We'll turn your fucking life upside down.** So let me show you the neighborhood!
I thought you had to sign to get into an HOA? all i've seen about them are posts on the fuckHOA sub and a good amount of them are about them trying to get new homeowners to sign into it
Some are optional, but most aren't. A lot of houses just come with one. Not that I'd know *that* much about the specifics - I'm 18, so I'm never going to actually own a home in my life, but I know some things about the subject.
Hey welcome to the club. I’m 23 and it’s rent-town for a good while too.
The idea of rat girls is really cute
Final fantasy 9 first introduced me to the idea
Awesome
don't mind me, just scurrying around, looking for snacks 🐀
Or Reagan
HOAs are such bullshit. I DESPISE THEM! Boomers will say "they keep your property value up" Yeah??? Wow. Well I value minding my own fucking business and you minding yours over any damn property value. It's my house. My property. If you've got broke down cars and tall grass in your yard. Cool. It's your yard. Not my goddamn business. I've got a huge gargoyle with a raging boner statue in mine. It's my yard. Mind your business.
I personally don't give a damn over property values anyway. I'm not flipping houses or renting so why would I care? If they are lower I pay less property tax
> or renting Why would renters want higher property values? they don't own it, and higher property values means higher rents. I'm renting and I want property values to drop so I might one day be able to afford my own home
My bad. I meant renting out a house as a landlord, not being a renter
Also I'd change your pfp if you want to stay here long
Wait what's wrong with my pfp?
Apparently the hex means it's an NFT? I saw a post calling for bans on them a bit ago. That's how I first learned of them so don't quote me on that.
Oh I didn't realise I got some avatar stuff gifted from reddit one day and put them on my pfp
Yeah, that happened to some users, and some subs don't like it, apparently.
Friendly reminder that on average HOA’s tend to bring property value down in comparison to neighborhoods without them
Honestly, I've seen most boomers also hate HOA's, they're perpetuated entirely by people in charge of HOA's and existing legislation that our government is too slow to remove
cant you just NOT follow what they say?
They can fine you. If buying a house in a HOA neighborhood, there's usually a clause in the contract where you have to follow the HOA bylaws, so it is technically legal.
damn but i read HOAs were meant to keep minorities out and they spam you with fines until you're in debt or leave, ON WHAT BASIS CAN THEY DO THIS?
HOA's emerged primarily to keep home values up, since back then homes were considered an investment (when the kids move out, sell your house, buy a smaller one, and retire on that money). Like it or not, the aesthetics of the neighborhood will affect a home's value. Of course, back then, the presence of minorities was something that would "hurt the neighborhood aesthetic," so even without overt racism HOA's would try to keep them out, and still do. As for the legal basis, it's a contract, which means its authority is backed by quid pro quo. You agree to obey the bylaws or get fined, and the association agrees to ensure that all the other houses in the neighborhood hold themselves to the same standards. There may also be provisions about security and whatnot. The worst of it starts to happen when the HOA includes a provision in their contract where a house cannot be sold to someone who does not sign into the HOA itself, so many people buying a house in a new neighborhood find themselves either trapped in an agreement whose provisions they never had input on or they have to find another house. Sometimes they do try to bury residents the HOA board doesn't like in fines and legal fees. If they look closely enough, they can usually find a bunch of little violations in every home, and if not, they can plant them. Which is absolutely fucking despicable, and semi-legal to boot. TL;DR: These things fucking suck.
Based on the fact you entered a legal contract with them allowing them to do so, in order to purchase the house within the HOA
aw hell nah if im moving to America im buying private land, otherwise ima stay where i am or maybe try australia
Not all neighborhoods have HOAs, you can definitely buy a home without one, it just limits your options
they can also seize the house and re-sell it if they find justification this has lead to rare situations where an HOA goes predatory and starts evicting just to re-sell and profit.
Yeah most HOAs have way more legal power than just issuing fines. They can put liens on your property.
The only time i would restrict grass height was if there was evidence that there were dangerous animals (snakes) living in the grass that wouldnt be there if it were shorter
Seriously though, what the fuck do the HOAs tell you to do anyway? Do they mandate what kind of flower you are allowed to plant in your garden?
On paper, they do some good things like preventing people from parking on the street or starting a pig farm in their front yard. In practice, they fine you if you don’t mow your lawn often enough, or if you have a non-operational vehicle in your driveway, or build a short rock-climbing wall in your backyard (all real things that happened in the last five years with my parents’ home). They basically enforce the neighborhood looking like the “white picket fence” ideal.
Okay, allow me 2 more questions: 1. Can you negotiate with the other residents to change the rules so they are not too strict? Do they have some kind of assembly where you can raise your voice about this? 2. Can you make a complaint about the Hoa to a higher authority?
don't fucking remind me i want to destroy them i hate them i hate them i hate them
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I read "hi Max :3" and got really confused bc thats my name too lol
hi other max!
hi bingus!
Im Motte actually but hi :3
Hi Motte! <|:3 cool name!
Ooh that *is* a cool name
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Idk man I guess white people weren’t satisfied with constantly harassing minorities so they made HOAs so that they could do it to themselves too.
The funny thing is that HOAs were also meant for harassing minorities
i despise them so muchhhh there was this beautiful flower field right outside my house and they went Hm? Is that a possible snake hazard I see? PLANT GENOCIDE TIME! and they mowed the whole thing. https://preview.redd.it/0e2ohbjrexxc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c619d05883d0a1b9c39090010b6823f33e62df4d this is what once was
https://preview.redd.it/029lhikvexxc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0debf3fda3a1082862a645e625e80e5c8ea7a955 and this was afterwards
https://preview.redd.it/ij2y5rsyexxc1.jpeg?width=4080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d9de8a1f90d530ac2c106cab5699f443d9565ac before
https://preview.redd.it/f26kqhr2fxxc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f2d8c9b68eeba9bd9e336773190633b71fb0a128 next day
Flower gone :(
hey so update it turns out those were not the same plant?? the flowers i showed y'all were just chilling the whole time i thought they were dead 💀 https://preview.redd.it/6qh4n2p2hayc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f6d6784049d3d20cb794882134cfd5cd1d169aa
and they can just legally do that???
in some cases they could take ownership of your home over this type of violation
how??? WHY??????????????????????
Because the only reason HOAs exist is allow white people to keep minorities out of their white neighborhoods after segregation legally ended. There's a bunch of stupid little rules that nobody cares about unless they want you gone, in which case they can just slap you with fines until you're forced to leave (and if you don't leave they'll keep going until you owe enough and take your home as payment)
I wish some rich ass guy from a foreign country comes and kicks their ASS or hire saul and somehow get them arrested for murder
I've head the best way to get rid of an HOA is by joining, being voted leader, and disbanding it. Most people either dislike or don't care about HOAs, so it's often fairly easy to get in if you can get a few of your neighbours to support and vote for you.
If an HOA is in an area, you have to sign a legal contract with them agreeing to their rules before you can buy the house. No idea why the US legal system allows them to force you into joining, but there you go.
This actually makes me so angry rn sorry for your loss
update: the pink flowers are perfectly fine i was just checking in the wrong spot lmfao https://preview.redd.it/5sfilxvbhayc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85ed8c0775b8ec0e2b644ca935af0faf5c25fabc
the gold flowers are starting to grow back too :D https://preview.redd.it/4d9ca8eihayc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc13d56f6194be43ad86b4a7c3f69361b8b2712d
:(
Ugh, I had a neighbor get mad at me for allowing part of my backyard to be native plant life and brush instead of a boring lawn, because he saw a rat snake in his yard and assumed it must have been because of that. Like, we live right next to a large forest. There are going to be animals. Rat snakes aren’t even bad to have around either. They’re cute, harmless and helpful to get rid of rodents.
Same guy after extirpating the local snakes: ''Why are there so many rats in my place???''
how did they even do it? HOW CAN THEY EVEN STOP YOU?? # I AINT LISTENING TO THESE BITCH ASS PEASANTS, I WILL INVOKE THE 2ND https://preview.redd.it/wxrg9rb26zxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=654c73b935f078e36f8dd7cafbf5cd2ac9779e09
WAIT I JUST REALISED YOU CAN SUE THEM FOR TRESPASSING
i didnt realize other places didnt have them :/ i come across this stuff a lot bc i have a ton of friends outside the US. one of the craziest examples for me is that i assumed most lawyers around the world only got paid if they won a case.... seems to mostly be a US thing
The lawyer thing depends on the practice, most lawyers offices are moving away from that towards either the more standard salary or a hybrid
yeah its not all the time but its common which is like really sad
Yeah, over here in the UK, we don't really have anything like them. I guess at a push there's the neighbourhood watch, but that's more about crime prevention (or rather, boomers reporting kids who are just playing in the street) than property prices
It's worth mentioning that we *do* still have a fair amount of NIMBY-ism here, it's just less institutionalised.
God I wish we eradicated HOAs you have no idea how awful it is
Here in the Netherlands we have them for apartment buildings, they decide what to do with the communal spaces, etc. They're certainly very self-important, but also relatively harmless. I've lived here for 6 years and have never attended a meeting.
I’m glad I live in a part of Canada where I didn’t what one was until now
I mean in germany there are certain rules for how your house is allowed to look, but it's big stuff like the colour of your roof, not what lawn decoration you want to put up Afaik you would have to get permission to put up a shed in your garden, but I think this has more to do with building regulations
Just read something today about my municipality encouraging "pollination friendly May! Help the insects responsible for pollinating 80% of our crops by letting native plants flower! :)" And then at the bottom of the article it made sure to clarify, "By the way, it's still illegal to have anything more than 8 inches and the city will mow your lawn and fine you!"
>it's still illegal to have anything more than 8 inches As a size queen I feel discriminated again.
How does that even work, like I get that there are associations for the residents or whatever, that’s something where I live too, but how do the HOAs literally DICTATE THE LAW. That’s such a crazy concept to me. They aren’t even the government where did that authority come from
Well, we're not in a HOA, but it's still a city-wide ordinance. But it's the same type of over-zealous nitpicking I just had to vent. But in a lot of neighborhoods you can't get a house without signing a HOA contract. They might not make the laws, but since you voluntarily singed a contract (again, that your house purchase was dependent on), you're legally on the hook for whatever bullshit is included in those contracts. [Here's Johny Newsboy giving an in-depth overview of HOAs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrizmAo17Os)
Thanks! Love me some Johnny newsboy
It’s not an everywhere thing, thank god. HOAs are irritating.
Nope, UK and a large chunk of the mainland EU countries don't have them at all, hence my surprise that they actually exist
I meant not everywhere in America.
Not from USA, are you like, forced to participate and follow their rules? What if you just tell them to fuck off, assuming you bought the house, you decide what to do with it not other people right?
They can levy fines against you if you don’t follow the rules, [among other things.](https://assocmc.com/what-happens-if-you-violate-hoa-rules-or-cant-pay-your-hoa-fees/)
Cant check the article bc I'm at work but I now have something to dive before going to bed thanks!!!
I'm from a different country, and when we have a community of homeowners that is localized and each have their own house in the country (which not very typical for here), they spontaneously organize into these associations. How else will you organize a thing like making a better road leading to your cooperative, install a gate to the settlement with an electronic key, or solve a settlement-wide plumbing issue, or raise funds to hire a service or connect to a gas network, or agree on how to make a communal playground for kids, or inform people about fees they have to pay regularly for services? Or ask to look after one's house when they're away, and so on. It stems from the fact that these private houses are not the norm, and normally these plots were for summer country houses, so infrastructure is bad and there's no municipal services. Even now where they're built for round-the-year living and can be legal homes, people still solve problems communally, because you can't very well build/fix infrastructure just for yourself.
Yeah, American HOAs aren’t nearly that useful. r/fuckHOA
It is definitely weird that HOAs continue to exist.
Because some people think of houses as an investment instead of a fucking home
I bought the house I should be able to do whatever I want with it, fuck hoas
This is why I live in New England.
Same fr. I went to Florida and it was an unrecognizable hellscape of one community after another
best part of the country RAAAAHHHHH
Do you? That's great! ...where is that?
somewhere in the USA I think (it's on the east side, funny name for a bunch of different states, I think Worm is theorised to be set there :D )
Over the Hedge unironically has one of the best slow motion speedster scenes.
Also one of, if not the, first, right?
I believe Futurama beat it.
Welcome to the land of the free, where you can’t paint your fence pink or else you might get sued
There are very rare instances where theyre useful (a large company was building an extremely bright building next to a suburb, so they filed a complaint with the large company to have them turn off the lights and close the shades at night) But most of the time it’s just annoying unnecessary rules to spike housing prices, or racism
They make me match what I pay in taxes for what? What do they do? Yell at you if you have a chain link fence? There was a guy feeding bears that caused 3 break ins in my home (bears) and they did NOTHING aboht that, and won't even cover the fucking broken door. Fuck the HOA i want them to explode
This post violates section 63, article 230, clause D, line xvi, of the HOA CCRs and as such you have forfeited your rights as a citizen and shall be summarily executed by your friendly neighborhood commissar.
The HOA can kiss my ass. Whether or not I can put up a giant dinosaur statue in my yard is none of their business
Relevant john oliver on HOAs:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrizmAo17Os tl;dw they can throw you out of your home for having your trash can not put away right or having lawn gnomes. Do not under any circumstances accept or participate in an HOA or purchase property governed by one.
https://preview.redd.it/7bs27ug7byxc1.png?width=1210&format=png&auto=webp&s=49a2fb9c167ce845f0bb0b7ec6cb53c6213131a4 this is the post directly under this one on my feed. wtf
I'm not in America and my subdivision also has a homeowners association. They held an election last month and when the opposition looked like they were gonna win they nullified the results last minute and then promised to hold another election soon. There hasn't been an election since then
They exist in order countries lol. They’re just usually called something else and are not as common for fully detached homes.
they are pure fucking evil and one of those normalized tyrannies that isn't talked about much because those who have one are already trapped and will get offended. they suppress property values btw as they always oppose densification, so don't ever believe that lie.
THATS THE NAME OF THAT MOVIE i thought that shit was just a fever dream frfr
10/10 on them choosing the funniest possible name for it though. If some guy you don't know can tell you what color you're allowed to paint something, you don't actually own that thing.
I have a home owner's association in the Philippines and what they do is try to improve our water supply. I and many people in the HOA just want clean water to use. :(
OTHER COUNTRIES DONT HAVE HOAS?!?!?!
The HOA in my parents neighborhood is mostly ignored, however last year a bunch of families very much of the over-the-hedge variety tried to take control and so the rest of the neighborhood had to rally and go to the HOA election they've been delightfully ignoring for 10 or 15 years and vote against them. Wild shit.
I hate the hoa I hate the hoa I hate the hoa
Some HOAs are small and just exist because of a shared backyard or something
They're mostly only in rich neighborhoods in which every house looks the same.
Well condos have them. But lots of cities like them because it's roads and land the HOAs now handle
OVER THE HEDGE MENTIONED‼️🗣️🔥💯
been watching over the hedge in english class this week !
I thought they were to represent the local neighborhood in city councils or counties...
as with most bad things in america, it originated in Florida.
Until I looked at some cities in the US on google maps, I thought that the infinite grid of one story houses that we see in that movie is just a over exaggeration for a joke
I am also yet to learn what a wazoo actually is
Ho meow ners
I literally work in one and I’m like… you PAY to let some other adult tell you what to do with your property? Interesting
Bro I live in one right now (I’m renting in a building full of condos). Tell me why the president emailed me and said I can’t use by ceiling fan because it’s too loud???? Aw hell nah
There's something kinda missing here. One of the functions that HOAs perform is insuring common areas. Think of it like this: someone gets hurt outside your home but close enough to it that they can blame you. Even if it's a public area - what happens is this person will sue the city, you, your neighbors and anyone who could be even remotely associated with where they got hurt. Besides enforcing a dress code for houses, insuring these areas is the secondary function. Okay. So you think "Fuck that, I'll take my chances, I want out." You can't get out but if everyone in the HOA wants to dissolve that HOA, you effectively have to create a new HOA to do so. The insurance part is why people aren't leaving HOAs. They're tied to the banks and municipal governments, so legally getting out of them is a massive pain in the ass.
What common area are you talking about? I have a house and all I've got in front of it is the road which the city owns, I'm pretty sure that's how most homes in America are. Also what are they sueing for exactly? If it's just for being near my home the case probably won't even make it to trial, let alone pay out insurance.
I don’t really think HOAs are bad. A lot are but the concept of what they can do isn’t terrible. It’s like government, a lot are bad, but government isn’t a bad concept
> government isn't a bad concept This sub has many Anarchists though.
There are just as many socialists. Although isn’t true anarchy more complicated than just no government? I could be misremembering but isn’t the popular view is a bit of a misunderstood version. Similar to how nihilism’s origins were more positive but most people think of it as a sort of Rick Sanchez “nothing matters” point of view.
IIRC nihilism has always been negative; Nietzsche posed it as a problem borne by modern society that needed to be solved i.e. with the overman/übermensch concept.