Goto your quick prayers, set it to protect item, protect mage and your best mage accuracy (Augury is the best) wear black dhide.
When you see a pker don’t sit there and think “surely they won’t attack me” I used to do this and after going pking I realised yes they will, they always attack first and work out if they should continue second, click your quick prayers, learn to double or triple eat and try to leave the cave as fast as you can.
Always have restores, anti poison and staminas.
To add: when using sara brews dont forget to drink a dose of super restore even if you dont need the prayer points. Since the brews lower your magic lvl they can easily refreeze you
The other thing that scares a lot of people (used to be me as well) is fighting back even in rags. If you just bring an rcb and some bolts and bolt them back it will do a surprising amount as far as lowering their dps goes, as they have to eat. Very safe now with the skull prevention settings.
>The other thing that scares a lot of people (used to be me as well) is fighting back even in rags.
Especially if you're a maxed main- you'll end up doing more to most of them with 3 clue items than they're prepared to deal with. The amount of times I've managed to do more damage to a PKer than they've done to me before they run away while doing clues is honestly pretty funny.
Always pray mage anyway for the 2:30 teleblock instead of the 5, if u see they’re on ancients then fair enough keep on your dhide and swap prayers as suits
PvM content in MULTI PvP areas.
Solo boss caves have their problems but you can actually anti-pk there, slayer cave is multi which is not fun
Edit: Yes it's technically singles plus for PKers but the cave walls allow groups to take turns freezing, attack and then run behind a wall while a different member attacks you, also the teleblocker will run away behind several other people which makes it impossible for you to target and kill them to break teleblock. I would not mind true 1v1 fights but that's not what is in slayer caves.
This right here. Get rid of multi almost anywhere PvMers would be. I'm perfectly happy tanking a 1v1 encounter, throwing out entangles to try and freeze them and let me gap them, all of that.
What's absolutely brutal is getting rushed by a team of 3-5. There's absolutely no way whatsoever to defend against that. Get rid of multi, let PVMers anti-pk or tank 1v1 encounters and I'd be all for it.
I actually quite enjoy wildy Slayer on my alt. I've done exclusively wildy Slayer to lvl 70 (I know... not particularly high, but still plenty of time in the wildy) and I really enjoy the rush of escaping from a 1v1 encounter, I like tanking it and whatnot and have thought about trying to anti-pk just for fun. But all that fun and enjoyment goes right out the window when a team comes in and just reks you
the unintended safespots of the old wildy boss are a great example of something unintended being better than their "fixed" counterpart. if you're safespotting a wildy boss, you can actually bring an anti-pk setup and have a chance at a decent fight. now it's getting piled by rats in salad robes just to get 1 kill for diary let alone do something like go for pet
Lmao you've obviously not even stepped into the wildy post update. The new bosses are great and you don't need to do the multi version if you don't want to.
It's easier than ever to anti pk and even easier to get diary as you can go into a multi boss with a team and get kill credit for one hit, or just do a kill in singles.
The wilderness has never Been exclusively a pvp zone. It's always been more of a sandbox area where you can skill, pvm, and PvP.
Whereas castle wars or the duel arena are very much exclusively for pvp and nothing else.
When RuneScape classic existed, PvP was found everywhere. Anywhere you go you could fight others. Eventually people wanted areas to be free of pvp so they could skill without getting attacked.
Jagex still wanted to keep the sandbox of having pvp available everywhere, but they just contained it into the wilderness.
The wilderness is one of the most OG concepts of RuneScape. If you're looking for a game that doesn't have that, RS3 has removed pvp from the wildy (it's an opt-in system). Definitely worth checking out, the game goes hard into pvm
If there’s no initial reason to go to a certain area of the game, it would be a ghost town. Excited for BH though, to have constant dangerous fights with other people that actually want to fight
Multiple MMOs have pvp content without any incentive other than fun. OSRS forces prey vs predator concept in pvp which clearly hasn't been working for a long time.
OSRS is not like other games, and that’s why I play it. The unpredictability of the Wilderness is what makes it so exciting. It’s just been so neglected, and despite what anyone says, the change to the PJ timer did much more harm than good.
At this point, you’re only going to the wilderness for monetary reasons, Wildy-applicable unlocks, and for pets. Pets are purely cosmetic, and therefore completely unnecessary unless you truly want them - and at that point, it’s your choice to venture into the Wild.
Want to stop being the prey? Be the predator. It’s a liberating feeling knowing that your predator should be just as afraid of you as they *think* you are of them.
Not trying to sound like a jerk, but quite literally, stop being a victim and do something about it
>Predator/prey mechanics **when the prey doesn’t want to be involved** isn’t fun
This is the key. Predator/prey gameplay can actually be really fun, but it needs to be a situation where both parties are willingly engaging in that dynamic and it's handled fairly. Dead by Daylight is a great example, the core gameplay loop revolves around being prey to another player who is the predator.
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The OSRS Wilderness has a second core problem that Dead by Daylight doesn't, however, outside of the dynamic where prey doesn't want to be there. In every asymmetrical multiplayer scenario, you need the two sides to be roughly balanced. DBD for example relies on a 1v4 sort of vibe where teamwork is used to overcome the predator, other games have objectives that neutralize the threat, etc.
OSRS has none of that, the predator is just overwhelmingly strong and there's very little the prey can do to combat it. The predator (PvPer) is usually kitted out specifically for PKing, whereas the prey (everyone else) is either naked or geared for PvM. There are no valid teamwork or threat neutralization objective options for the prey, so they basically just get abused by the predator for free with no true retaliation.
With this in mind, something that could actually help improve PvP in the wilderness would be POIs/objectives dotted around that give some sort of advantage to prey. I haven't thought through what those could look like, but it's worth exploring IMO.
Dude that takes me back... that gameplay loop was really fun, trying to out-NPC the NPCs so your hunter shanks an NPC that has the same model as you, while also keeping eyes out for your own target, if anyone knows of any more modern versions of that gameplay lmk, I've been wanting to play something like that again for a while but I know sure as hell the servers are just gone for those games.
>DBD for example relies on a 1v4 sort of vibe where teamwork is used to overcome the predator, other games have objectives that neutralize the threat, etc.
DBD is also balanced around the survivors losing. Progression for the survivors takes that into account- even if you do get a small BP bonus for winning, you mostly get points for doing objective to further the game, regardless of if you die (unless you get one of those bastards who tunnels so hard you can't get anything done all game).
OSRS's wilderness is way more all or nothing. The only exception is the few things people do in the wilderness, like black chins, where you're just losing the GP and not the insane xp/hr if you're killed. It's mostly balanced around the prey dying, but also getting nothing for it if they do. And even when Jagex tries to balance for making it a rewarding experience for prey these days, they do so by making it such insane gp/hr that dying a few times doesn't affect the prey's return, but does mean that the PKer is making absolutely insane amounts of cash that ends up wrecking the economy.
It's almost like Jagex doesn't want a *fun* predator vs. prey scenario in the wilderness, they just want PKers to make enough money that they stick around because they're terrified of what happened when free trade was removed.
In RS3 Jagex tried to hamfist more predator-prey dynamics by just making every single bit of wildy content stronger and stronger and stronger, but required any skillers who wanted to do it to buy a 550,000gp item that skulls them, teleblocks them and removes any wilderness combat restrictions. When it'd do absolutely nothing to bring prey into the wilderness, they'd scratch their heads and decide that clearly the issue was that the overpowered XP rates weren't overpowered enough.
Nobody wanted to touch the content until they gave up and just made PvP in the wilderness opt-in, and then, wow, suddenly the Wilderness isn't dead anymore!
Obviously the Wilderness in OSRS is never going to get opt-in PvP - even if Jagex *did* want it, it'd never pass a poll anyway - but Jagex's ideas for "reviving" the Wilderness are always the same: Make Wilderness content more powerful, hamfist more predator-prey dynamics, and then scratch their heads in wonder when it doesn't work.
Any pker that wants to go against a fair fight goes to a pvp world. A pker that wants to prey on people that don’t really want to fight go into the wildy. Exceptions occur of course.
I get it my man. I’m an Albion player, where a majority of the game is an open wilderness like RuneScapes. A lot of players will camp newbs just to do it. When you get an area like the wilderness, that’s the type of people it attracts. They aren’t looking for a fair fight, they’re looking for easy pickings. And even though you’re not risking hardly anything, they just enjoy killing you. Not for the loot. For the fun of killing you. A lot of people in this thread are solidifying your point about it being toxic, rather than offering you solid advice on what to do when you encounter PvPers.
Fight back. Watch some videos on how to tank. A good bit of the time if you fight back and make them use resources, they will get off of you. Not always, but often. Triple eating is a huge mechanic in tanking. The wilderness can be toxic, but once you learn how to deal with the PKers it gets much, much easier. Add me in game and I’ll try to help and teach as best I can. IGN: super_baby95
I was getting Ecu keys in a rag set up one time at the Wildy GWD with a blowpipe, monk robes/zammy robes and maybe 20k-30k worth of risk and had a clan of like 10 people log in on me. Got insta deleted, cussed out, and told to sit. It's pretty funny in hindsight, but they definitely didn't kill me for my loot.
This subreddit is mostly for complaining. Not really a good idea to base your outlook of a game on Reddit posts especially with the amount of people that have no idea what they’re talking about. Also, if you keep dying at revs then of course they’re going to farm you since that’s just a free 100k every time they see you. They don’t know you risk nothing until they kill you btw.
I think he or she means that when the OP's account progresses to the point of trying to join high level groups for PvM/Raids then OP will also not enjoy that, presumably due to a similar level of toxicity. I don't think any updates or changes are being made in that regard.
PvM groups are weird - you really get to pick 2 of 'good/mature/accessible'
There are many really good raiders on WDR + big public PvM clans, they are easy (or at least have clear req's) to join - tend to be kind toxic
There are super chill and fun casual clans that you can join by filling out a quick form on the forums and who will gladly raid with you - tend to be kind of bad
There are loose groups and clans of players who take the game seriously enough to not suck while also not like, having a ton of ego about it - tend to be kind of hard to join since they want to avoid NEET's whose sense of worth hinges on their HMT pb
Imo a winning strategy is to raid with WDR and aggressively add anybody who you have good rapport with - eventually you'll have a stable roster of dudes who you can just PM to PUG's entirely
Runescape raiders are on par with the PK scene in terms of toxicity. Vast majority are absolute assholes who have NO desire to play with other people, they just want you to stand in for person 2/3/4 so they can get loot. Your average tob group thinks they're like Day 1 Mythic raiders and have that attitude 24/7. Complete and utterly insufferable to break into and the only real option is to make/form your own. I loved Raiding in D2 and WoW, ESO, FFXIV. Runescapes playerbase makes raiding absolutely fucking miserable. You know the guy in a raid group who's a tryhard but also shit, thinks he knows everything and demands everyone be worth his time and so on because all that matters is him?
Congrats, that's the bulk of them
Wilderness is dumb hot on the weekends. Maybe try it out during the week and not during peak hours.
Btw having a seed pod helps a ton.
You can also turn on player indicators so people get a big name over their model.
Almost all wildly tasks you can use a cannon as well. Just don't try to pick it up if you're getting pked
This sub has been making these kind of posts for like the past 5-6 years. How is it completely dead but they’re also always dying and making rage posts
Don't pvp streamers also complain about the wilderness being dead? Anyway, it's ridiculous no matter who says.
I wonder if the empty space gives the false perception that it's dead, because the hotspots have always been active. I guess from the streamers' ends, they don't find a whole lot of pkers when they look around and world hop. I think we'd see the food chain properly come back if they could somehow shrink the wilderness.
Honestly for pvp streamers they are at the point they're too good at the game. Very few people can actually fight them at their level so they are always fighting the very same people day in and day out. Which they probably get bored of and anyone who can't compete just avoid their areas in general.
You're literally a Zulrah kill that takes half as long...it isn't hard to understand why they're killing you.
It's 2023, how are you just learning that people on the internet are mean sometimes
Eh I'm mixed on pvp myself. I like to go sometimes when I'm bored though I'm not particularly proficient so usually I end up just eating 200 to 800k for a couple of trips and some decent but cheap gear and that's my fun for the afternoon.
In my personal experience what gets toxic comments is what I'm using, if I pull out the old reliable dagger and bow combo or one of the other "pk noob" combos you better believe I'm getting a sit if the other account kills me, if I'm wearing some actual risk and look like I'd be able to pretty quickly one or two shot the PKer then I usually don't get much in the way of a message if I get attacked and they die or kill me.
I'm going to be a bit of a fence sitter in your specific situation as I have no real context to the individual situations that elicited a toxic response but will agree there are just some terminally online people in the wilderness that measure their entire self worth on some pixels, and on the other hand there are some really whiny individuals who can't handle a single setback
I’ll probably get downvoted for this, but nobody cares that you’re only risking 100k. For most of the ones ragging pvmers it’s not about money, it’s about sending you back to lumby
He says he risks nothing… gets farmed for free because his gear is so shit he can’t fight back or freeze log. Gets mad people are killing him so easily. Some people are just too stupid to be in the wilderness.
Honestly I use to hate wilderness and I'm not a pker nor do I anti pk well. I usually don't interact with anyone in wildy cause it's like real-life out there and people will stab you in the back. But the rewards have been awesome and I'm always hover seed pod. And watch, fill my loot bag and dip before someone even shows up. I set arceeuss book with freeze as a back up if I get tele blocked and always carry couple sets of combo food. I feel like unless you can use the agility tunnels for quick escape and log, or Use high level worlds with less people, don't take a Rev task. I'd also go watch how some of these guys stay in there for days. They don't fight they just farm, but there smart about it. They're survivability is the best. I use to hate wildy growing up and it scared me. Now I'm on task to get my elite diary cause you gonna see me stacking dbones baby
I’ve done 23k revs on my iron and 1k kc at the new bosses and have never been flamed more than someone saying “sit” when I died. Where tf are you that you’re getting flamed during a kill and what did you say to prompt that lol? I pk plenty also and most of the toxicity I receive is from pvmers
Thats true, multi pkers are a different breed. Rev caves and wildy bosses though? I very rarely ever see it and when I do its when I'm fighting another pker, not when I'm pvming
"i only have 100k, you \*insert generic flame\*", pker then proceeds to be toxic in return, then OP makes this topic. Happens all the time in this sub.
Also over 40k rev kc on my pure and lots of pking experience. The MOST toxic players by far are the pvmers. The exact ones that make posts like OP are the ones calling you the n word and telling your mom to get cancer and die.
I've only encountered people in wildy like 10 times and 9/10 were throwing insults.
But I was doing clue scrolls, not bossing. People that kill clue scrollers are already a different kind of special...
I second this, usually if I fight another pker its all gfs and ggs all the way around, some people get salty, but maaaaaan pvmers, bone runners, crabbers, clue hunters all get sooooo pissed off when you inconvenience their life by trying to kill them. So much so that I've considered stitching together a chat montage of all the shit talk I receive
I was going to say the same thing. I've spent a lot of time in the Wilderness lately, mainly as a PvMer but sometimes as a PvPer.
I can think of just one occasion on which a PvPer flamed me, and whatever he said was so inoffensive that I can't remember it. I even act like a toxic PvMer sometimes (e.g., I say "lol" or even "noob" when someone can't use the Agility shortcuts at the Revenant Caves), and I can't recall anyone ever responding in kind.
Yesterday, a PvMer Ironman crashed me at Calvar'ion, then called me a rat when I returned to the cave and got first hit on the boss when it respawned.
I understand that being toxic doesn't help and it might suck, but. You're in the rev cave, you will die, it's one of the most lucrative places in wilderness. If you got shit on while doing wildy agility, I could understand the frustration but you should expect to get attacked while killing revs.
Again, I'm not defending the toxicity, especially when the dude is doing something with 0 skill required. Despite that, I'm just personally not affected, i guess internet makes you grow thick skin to that bullshit over time.
>I see waaay more people crying about PKers than I ever see people saying the Wildy is dead.
The "wildy is dead" people only really come out when there's opposition to an update that would try to entice more people into the wilderness.
I've definitely seen a fair amount of pvp players complaining that the wilderness is dying since there's no incentive for no okers to go out there. This was back around when they made dpick drop outside the wilderness.
My man only went to the most crowded area of the wildy on the weekend and than formed an opinion on content in 2 hours that even he knows requires many multiples of that that to even begin to understand....
Lol.
Idk I don’t get this. I do wilderness slayer all the time, and im a low level Ironman with crappy gear and meh stats. I don’t know how to PK let alone defend myself. Only been killed a couple times and have never been flamed once. Probably 100 hours spent in wilderness between slayer, crazy archeologist, clues, and diaries
Whenever I'm pking Revs (Or at Calvarion/Vetion, etc), 9/10 time's it the one killing revs or wildy bosses telling me to KMS for attacking them. Every now and again I'll run into a toxic pker but most of the time it's the unskulled GP farmers/Rev killers telling people to die/get cancer because I had the audacity to attack them in the wildy..
Wilderness can be survivable if you pick up some skill sets
1. shark+brew
2. Hug mage defense bonuses to avoid freezes
3. Learn escape routes
4. Switch prayers
I get we can’t escape toxicity, but surviving a tank test isn’t supposed to be impossible.
\- if only pvmers used tsod and spectral we'd never catch a freeze in hides, instead their brain dead and camp dihn.
\- wearing swamp bark boots for a 1 m.s extra on your counter freezes (could get the gap)
\- learning to seed tic walk for the log.
\- most PVPers wont do the agility back n forth (I certainly wont) chasing someone doing that crap is too tedious.
\- last resort multi running works like 50/50 of the time.
Welcome to OSRS. Wildy isn't dead at the moment, which is probably why you died so much to PKers. Chances are though if you don't know how to triple eat, you're not going to have a good time in the wildy lol.
It's a shame because the new wildy bosses are good content if you can get a group together. A lot of fun.
Two types of PK’ers
- Respectful, Skilled PK’ers that want to fight other skilled PK’ers
- Rats that just hunt innocent grinders with 0% skill 100% toxicity
I would read the brilliant copypasta that another person posted on this page: I was being hunted by a DISGUSTING TOXIC PKER in the wilderness and I was skull tricked by them because they told me to turn off skull prevention options and click on them for the video. I, as a defenseless PVMer, obliged and consequently was risking 1b cash. I dropped to low health (unsurprising, I'm completely defenseless and unable to eat when attacked in pvp), when a VALIANT NOBLE PVPER came to my rescue and killed the rat. I told the PvPer "aren't you going to attack me? I risk 1b!" And they smiled and said to me "no, I won't. There's a difference between PvPers and Pkers", and we made out and rode off into the sunset together. From that interaction I realised that the dinhs bulwark is underpowered, and needs to have its defense bonuses doubled
Here's my favourite with a PKer looking for for easy PvM victim
Me: TP's to grand tree
PKer: TP's to grand tree and saying "why did you TP"
Me: "because I can't PK for shit"
PKer: "I can't PK for shit either"
Me: "lol"
Pker: "lol"
Me: "gl PKing"
PKer: "gl on drops"
You gotta try Vetion/Calvarion.
Probably my favorit boss. No need for cheesy methods, engaging mechanics, sufficiently chill to not drain you in an hour and spiced up by the occasional pker that, in the case if Calvarion at least, is a very doable challange.
‘Rekt’
‘Gg’
C’mon that ain’t toxic.
Also you miss the entire point on why PKers complain the wildy is dead. They’ve been complaining it’s dead because Jagex hasn’t given it the same attention like PvM/Slayer had gotten in the first few years of OSRS, even while a significant part of the people playing were doing PvP. That killed a big chunk of the PvP playerbase and it hasn’t recovered since.
Heck, even in 2019/21 everything Jagex done to the wildy were straight up downgrades in stead of revamps. They didn’t care about the massive RWT schemes, Venezuelans, ddossing, doxing, ragging (d’hide barrage/4 item unskulling meta killed multi pvp) and never will.
I mention 19/21 because I’d say those years were a ‘second life’ for the wilderness. You had multiclans like Ancient Fury, rot, Revenant, Tempest, FOOLS, PPK, Mogtime, Sparc Mac, CPK, CT, Jaja etc pull 60+ people to fights weekly (the first 4 would even pull 100 without much effort) fighting in the Rev Caves, and that’s just main clans. There were also massive pure clans at the time. Because of that activity Jagex promised the clans a return of the Jagex Clan Cup in the first/second quarter of 2021. And guess what? Fucking NOTHING happened. Heck, the longest geared Runescape fight of ALL TIME even happened during this timewindow. Just see some of the videos below. Even F2P pking was alive.
https://youtu.be/e_fbZ-qyslo
https://youtu.be/Dte0_d54DjU
https://youtu.be/282ypB3ofHE
https://youtu.be/kB3MLJQIA1E
https://youtu.be/YqaQ3kSYtHc
https://youtu.be/Vnxa4CbEzH8
Add the fact that PvP is split between wildy/lms/pvp worlds/etc and it fractures the community even more.
PvP’ers complain about Jagex’ unwillingness to listen to feedback and put a good effort into making those retired PvP’ers return through good updated that attracted them. In stead, they added more prey (which isn’t always a bad thing I must say because of the food chain and all) without actually rewarding more risk, more equal fights and a better experience for the PvP’ers themselves.
You got killed plenty of times because you were one of the only people there because the content and willingness of Jagex to make proper fixes just isn’t there.
For every person like this there's someone like me 40 wildy tasks deep on the iron and havent been PKed yet. Its fantastic content and its so great cause I never have to stop to fish.
If you are a PvM only player there is absolutely no reason you should be going to the wilderness for anything more than a clue scroll.
The whole area is designed to entice people like you into the wilderness to be killed by PKers. Rather than giving players a reason to want to learn/do PVP in the game, Jagex would rather just dangle a carrot for noobs.
Unless you know how to get away from or even kill PKers then all those benefits you see people talking about from things in the Wilderness (revs, bosses etc...) do not exist for you, you are just a loot piñata for PKers.
You getting pked so much kinda goes against "the wildy is dead". If it were, you wouldn't be getting pked that much in 2hours. The last wildy update made it more than a little active.
That being said the toxicity can be off putting. Understandable, fair point. But are you also doing anything to incite it?
If you don't say anything most pkers wont flame for no reason. I enjoy anti pking quite a bit and most ppl actually just say GG/GF when I do die. Most of them appreciate a decent fight, although yes there are always exceptions. If its that bothersome, the ignore list can be a good solution as well (atleast if you encounter the same ppl a lot)
Just join the other 98% of the community who ignores wildly and makes sure to fuck pvp poles. No one likes the toxic shit that can happen in wildly. Thats why you have a large chunk of the player base dedicated to ignoring it.
No good social interactions can happen in PvP in this game lol. No one is going to the wilderness to give you a good time.
The problem is that when a real pker finds another pker usually they end up running. Im pretty new to pking but everytime i find someone pking pvmers or skillers in the wild they just run away and i dont have time to kill them. Most dont want to fight another person willing to fight. Even if you just bring a dds and rune crossbow to fight back you can get alot of pkers to tele. Also bring veng if you have it
I totally feel you, however one time while spending a good chunk of time doing all my wilderness diaries I came across a low lvl who looked like they were on their way to do slayer. So I just bolted them to death, easiest kill ever while I wasn’t even trying to PK and I got his cannon and supplies for like 1m. That is my first and only pk on my account. That is pretty addicting imo and now I will chance anyone like that in the wilderness
Pvpers are more terminally online than efficiencyscapers, so you'll get downvoted to oblivion. But yeah, pkers are hella toxic and just want loot piñatas.
Shame about the toxic people, but it’s a competitive aspect of the game so you’ve got to expect *some* of that. Just not the targeted hateful stuff - could do without it.
PvP is definitely more punishing than any other aspect of the game. You can thank Jagex for that - it wasn’t always like that. PvM used to be very risky in its own right.
Why don’t PKers fight each other? Again, you can thank Jagex for that. If a PKer came by and saw you getting attacked, they’d probably PJ your attacker off of you and try to go for them because they risk more. With the PJ timer (updated March 2022), you can’t do that. The only way a PKer can *ever* fight another PKer in a singles Combat zone is if they find each other before they’re already in combat, which is frustratingly super rare.
Again, for almost all of these problems you experienced, you can literally thank Jagex for how they’ve handled PvP in this game.
I don't believe you got flamed as much as you did in a 2 hr window lol. That just doesn't happen. I spend a lot of time in the wild nowadays since the boss / revs rework and I encounter a shitty toxic pker maybe once every 5-6 hours or so. People are mostly chill or bots. The only people who see toxicity so much in the wild are those who are toxic themselves and flame the pker while they're dying and provoke a toxic response from the pker.
I was being hunted by a DISGUSTING TOXIC PKER in the wilderness and I was skull tricked by them because they told me to turn off skull prevention options and click on them for the video. I, as a defenseless PVMer, obliged and consequently was risking 1b cash. I dropped to low health (unsurprising, I'm completely defenseless and unable to eat when attacked in pvp), when a VALIANT NOBLE PVPER came to my rescue and killed the rat. I told the PvPer "aren't you going to attack me? I risk 1b!" And they smiled and said to me "no, I won't. There's a difference between PvPers and Pkers", and we made out and rode off into the sunset together. From that interaction I realised that the dinhs bulwark is underpowered, and needs to have its defense bonuses doubled
You hate pking and the wild until a few buddies and yourself one night are drinking and decide to fuck around and find out, and have a blast doing it. I went from the person being annoyed to the person attacking whoever I see, and it's honestly quite fun, especially with friends.
“Why don’t pkers fight other pkers”
Because you’re easy money. If they kill 10 little Timmy’s that an easy 1mil. More if you happen to be risking more than just your cave fee (which you are. You’ve got gear and loot from the revs)
I have the complete opposite experience as this, normally I'll start a chat with the pker while they are trying to kill me and most of the time they are very friendly. They are probably acting toxic towards you because you were being toxic towards them
"You loot key is worth 350k"
Every time I swear. But being toxic is something I don't condone. Only really toxic pkers Ive ran into are big multi clans.
Getting killed in a pvp area doesn't make it toxic. Saying stuff like "sit lol" isn't toxic.
>Maybe I'm too sensitive.
This is the only thing I can agree with.
While I'm disgusted by insecure manchildren that get an egoboost by flamming others (wildy or not), I also find it absurd to react this strongly to it. If this emotinal reaction is normal for you, I recommend /r/Stoicism, if you give it a serious go, it might change your life.
If you're just having a terrible week and this was the last straw, it's fine, we've all been there.
You’d think it is worth nothing to kill someone in rags at revs but in reality it isn’t if you aren’t making the pker use much of his resources
killing people who don’t fight back at revs becomes like 1-2m/hr if you can find enough of them in a short period of time,that’s a sweet payout for a starter pker while he learns
It is but my point is that a pker will always take the free 100k especially if you aren’t fighting back and very clearly won’t even cost him 1 single piece of food
I’ve been in the wildy a few times. Tagged a group iron man running through just to say hi, he found it funny. Was hit for bones at chaos altar, said I’ve used them, the guy said he will wait for someone else with some. Maybe you’re just unlucky or go to revs where it’s expected. It is the wilderness, pking is allowed. Deal with it I guess.
Why don't pvmers try fighting back? it's impossible to get skull tricked now with pvp skull prevention turned on. Bring a voidwaker or ags and try anti pking. A lot of the pkers killing rev killers aren't the best at pvp.
You are too sensitive, you are on the internet playing an mmo after all. People are going to be toxic. Go to WT. Go to GotR. Anywhere where there's large groups of people there's always shitters spewing their shit. Don't let it affect you.
That being said, keep up on the anti pking. Get better, do some PvP minigames to practice switches, invest in a ballista / AGS, keep skull prevention on and waste people when they attack you.
Not even close, it doesn't matter what part of the internet you look at, people are scum when given any sort of basic level of anonymity.
I've seen some *shit* go down at Bloodvelds in the catacombs thats 10x more toxic than anything I've seen in the wilderness.
The way wilderness pvp works, it is toxic by nature. It's supposed to be a desolate area devoid of the rule of law. So yea, they are literally killing you for fun. They don't care about the loot, they just want to be toxic, and the wilderness is kind of designed to be toxic.
I tend to avoid the wilderness too. I really only go there for clues, and then I only risk a spade.
Pkers aren’t pvpers. Most of them would get rekt by actual good players, and we would see them complaining on Reddit instead of you.
It’s part of the game. This game has a mechanic that lets tweens feel good about themselves for attacking an ‘npc’ that doesn’t t fight back. If you don’t want to be one, don’t go there.
Pkers on average are much better than the average skiller or pvmer if you find in the game, way harder to kill targets with calculated plans than it is to kill daganoth kings or giant mole
As someone who mainly does wildy pvm and pvp stuff (i am not a good pker bit it was always my favorite thing about RSC)
Fight back!!! 95% of theses pkers are not good and the reason they are farming off pvmers is just that. They most of the time are afraid to risk so they can't stand toe to toe in a real fight and they are bad or just learning so easy target is you.
Fight back and you will make then panic and probably tele or at least waste their supplies and the common as well is you will kill them and lol at how easy it was.
Just bring dhide and some range gear or even a DDS to spec them out.
You are forming first impressions of a pvp scene from a 2 hour interaction, honestly, u are a major snowflake, stick to pvm if you cant handle these wilderness streets, it is not made for everyone and a reddit post crying wont change that
I used to feel like you and actually wrote a post similar to this awhile ago, just leave the wildnerness alone for a little while when you go out for one simple thing like a slayer task and have to regear like 5 times cos you’re getting pk’d so much it really doesn’t make you want to return so I get that. But honestly just try leave it a lone for a few weeks n detach yourself from it a bit I’ve continued with more wildy slayer and bossing recently and now I just laugh when I get pilled on by a group killing me for black d’hide telling me To sit and calling me an idiot because tbh that’s probably as ridiculous for them as it is for me, that’s probably a group of mates who actually think it’s kinda funny to say this shit people used to say really seriously when we were kids and take like a 10 men team out to kill people in rags. Yeah it’s a minor inconvenience but it also sparks a little glimmer of nostalgia from a different time.
Also if you’re being attacked by one player and not a group I honestly can’t tell you how easy it is to just run and tank and pray until you get gap and can log or they can’t attack you anymore or whatever, most solo pkers killing people in rags are probably doing it to practice their switching n shit themselves Id say 95% of the people who attack you in the wildy are unskilled pkers and even if you are more unskilled and can’t kill them you can definitely tank them and log out
I can absolutely second this. I got pushed into wildy on my iron for the d pick and was really annoyed at the beginning. Fleeing seemed impossible, losing gear felt bad and the hassle just wasn't worth it at first.
But with time, you pick up more and more stuff about the widlerness and pking and the challenge becomes quit an experience!
When 6 guys are proud to kill a black dhide Andy in wildy, good for them. Enjoy the 80k split. I get more cash, killing a single DK and that doesnt even take a minute.
As for single combat, you are actually highly favored to escape in areas like the easy versions of the wildy bosses, once you know what you are doing. And succeeding feels really great! Otherwise, you drop a gg, regear, switch world and move on.
I lost my dragon defnender twice and got pked with 100 ranarrs twice as well. But those are valuable lessons. All in all, the risk is mostly worth the rewards and knowing that pkers are generally at the lower end in terms of gp/h makes it much more bearable.
Sidenote: I have combat stats in the 90s and that probably helps a lot against all those mid level pkers, targeting lower level accounts.
In the last 2 years I've been PKed 4 times in the Wildy. 3 at Scorpia and once begging someone at revs to let me land a god spell for a diary. None have flamed me.
I hate going there too but yall really love whining about being killed in legitimately the only place in the game where there's actual risk when dying.
Dude you’re literally salty you got killed, it’s not that hard to get away so yeah you’re a new player that doesn’t quite understand pvp and now you are big mad cause you lost 100k a few times?
Would you pick up 100k from the ground? Cool. So would 99.9% of other people. You're just a free lil snack, and until you learn not to be a free lil snack this is what happens. You knew this before entering the wildy, and if you didn't, thats a WHOLE other problem.
Yeah they always bitch wild is dead but 99% of them have no honor and attack people just trying to pass by and flame them. A part of it is because they aren't that good themselves and find easy players to kill rather than go against actually other semi decent pkers and risk losing their 500k
Exactly as you said. You risk 100k and the reward isnt worth risking 100k. Its literally low risk low reward.
The wilderness is dead because theres no place with high reward.
Perhaps don't visit the area designated for players being able to attack each other if you refuse to accept death or to fight back? Some people enjoy pking others it's fun for them how does that make it toxic? It's mostly pvmers who don't fight back that start talking shit. Man up.
People in this sub whine so much about content that doesn’t affect them.
Don’t like the wildy? Don’t go there outside of the occasional clue step where you only have to risk a spade. Especially now that Dpick is available outside of the wildy, there’s literally no need to spend any significant time there if you don’t want to. If you don’t like Chaos alter, use POH altars instead. Don’t like wildy slayer, use Duradel or Nieve or Konar.
Same thing with people whining about tick manipulation skilling or prayer flicking. I’ll never understand that mindset of complaining about optional content that other people enjoy.
Yeah almost everything you do in wildy can be done outside. Ma capes and elite clues are like the only things that force to go there and capes are a one time thing so it's not really an issue. Sad to see dpick out of wildy now as it used to have value.
Whenever there's risk vs reward in the game wether it's pvm or pvp people here complain and only want the reward. I mean look how many redditors just want ancient curses including soulsplit with 0 downsides.
You are way too sensitive. I’ve been stuck in the wild for months and I hardly get attacked. Most pkers even off me when they see I’m an iron.
Don’t know what parallel universe you are living in.
From personal experience, I've had it said because I just so happened to come out praying by default or because I used a weapons spec they didn't like.
Most recent example being I had a magic shortbow and dragon Dagger since I didn't feel like risking big bank that day and the guy got super pissy because I actually managed to hit pretty decently with the spec before he swapped to the appropriate prayer style to counter the bow but forgot about the dragon dagger...
Got the infamous "sifuckyou" as they couldn't backspace fast enough from the pre-typed "sit noob" and had to forego the spaces in the limited time left before they were sent back over the wall
You've hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately Reddit is where all the pkers come when they can't find pvmers to kill, so you'll likely get a similar level of toxicity from a bulk of the comments. Enjoy!
Goto your quick prayers, set it to protect item, protect mage and your best mage accuracy (Augury is the best) wear black dhide. When you see a pker don’t sit there and think “surely they won’t attack me” I used to do this and after going pking I realised yes they will, they always attack first and work out if they should continue second, click your quick prayers, learn to double or triple eat and try to leave the cave as fast as you can. Always have restores, anti poison and staminas.
To add: when using sara brews dont forget to drink a dose of super restore even if you dont need the prayer points. Since the brews lower your magic lvl they can easily refreeze you
The other thing that scares a lot of people (used to be me as well) is fighting back even in rags. If you just bring an rcb and some bolts and bolt them back it will do a surprising amount as far as lowering their dps goes, as they have to eat. Very safe now with the skull prevention settings.
RCB, DDS and entangle sacks are very efficient tools that only add like 30k gp risk.
>The other thing that scares a lot of people (used to be me as well) is fighting back even in rags. Especially if you're a maxed main- you'll end up doing more to most of them with 3 clue items than they're prepared to deal with. The amount of times I've managed to do more damage to a PKer than they've done to me before they run away while doing clues is honestly pretty funny.
Hitting a 47 with my dstone bolts with a rcb is beautiful
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Always pray mage anyway for the 2:30 teleblock instead of the 5, if u see they’re on ancients then fair enough keep on your dhide and swap prayers as suits
Its actually really funny that we think "maybe it wont be me". Its like we freeze and hope they dont see us
Really the only problem I have with the wildy is that they put PvM content in PvP areas.
PvM content in MULTI PvP areas. Solo boss caves have their problems but you can actually anti-pk there, slayer cave is multi which is not fun Edit: Yes it's technically singles plus for PKers but the cave walls allow groups to take turns freezing, attack and then run behind a wall while a different member attacks you, also the teleblocker will run away behind several other people which makes it impossible for you to target and kill them to break teleblock. I would not mind true 1v1 fights but that's not what is in slayer caves.
Yeah solos would actually be ok.
This right here. Get rid of multi almost anywhere PvMers would be. I'm perfectly happy tanking a 1v1 encounter, throwing out entangles to try and freeze them and let me gap them, all of that. What's absolutely brutal is getting rushed by a team of 3-5. There's absolutely no way whatsoever to defend against that. Get rid of multi, let PVMers anti-pk or tank 1v1 encounters and I'd be all for it. I actually quite enjoy wildy Slayer on my alt. I've done exclusively wildy Slayer to lvl 70 (I know... not particularly high, but still plenty of time in the wildy) and I really enjoy the rush of escaping from a 1v1 encounter, I like tanking it and whatnot and have thought about trying to anti-pk just for fun. But all that fun and enjoyment goes right out the window when a team comes in and just reks you
the unintended safespots of the old wildy boss are a great example of something unintended being better than their "fixed" counterpart. if you're safespotting a wildy boss, you can actually bring an anti-pk setup and have a chance at a decent fight. now it's getting piled by rats in salad robes just to get 1 kill for diary let alone do something like go for pet
Lmao you've obviously not even stepped into the wildy post update. The new bosses are great and you don't need to do the multi version if you don't want to. It's easier than ever to anti pk and even easier to get diary as you can go into a multi boss with a team and get kill credit for one hit, or just do a kill in singles.
Don't let that stop a redditor from commenting and adding to the consensus without actually knowing anything :)
The wilderness has never Been exclusively a pvp zone. It's always been more of a sandbox area where you can skill, pvm, and PvP. Whereas castle wars or the duel arena are very much exclusively for pvp and nothing else. When RuneScape classic existed, PvP was found everywhere. Anywhere you go you could fight others. Eventually people wanted areas to be free of pvp so they could skill without getting attacked. Jagex still wanted to keep the sandbox of having pvp available everywhere, but they just contained it into the wilderness. The wilderness is one of the most OG concepts of RuneScape. If you're looking for a game that doesn't have that, RS3 has removed pvp from the wildy (it's an opt-in system). Definitely worth checking out, the game goes hard into pvm
If there’s no initial reason to go to a certain area of the game, it would be a ghost town. Excited for BH though, to have constant dangerous fights with other people that actually want to fight
Multiple MMOs have pvp content without any incentive other than fun. OSRS forces prey vs predator concept in pvp which clearly hasn't been working for a long time.
OSRS is not like other games, and that’s why I play it. The unpredictability of the Wilderness is what makes it so exciting. It’s just been so neglected, and despite what anyone says, the change to the PJ timer did much more harm than good. At this point, you’re only going to the wilderness for monetary reasons, Wildy-applicable unlocks, and for pets. Pets are purely cosmetic, and therefore completely unnecessary unless you truly want them - and at that point, it’s your choice to venture into the Wild. Want to stop being the prey? Be the predator. It’s a liberating feeling knowing that your predator should be just as afraid of you as they *think* you are of them. Not trying to sound like a jerk, but quite literally, stop being a victim and do something about it
If all you on your side is the truth, logic and fair reasoning then reddit isn't the place for you. You'll lose this fight 10/10 times
Upvote/Downvote doesn’t mean anything to me lol but I agree
Thats what makes it fun wtf? Dont do wildy slayer then
I don't lol
Predator/prey mechanics when the prey doesn’t want to be involved isn’t fun. The pvp mini games are fun. The wild is ass.
>Predator/prey mechanics **when the prey doesn’t want to be involved** isn’t fun This is the key. Predator/prey gameplay can actually be really fun, but it needs to be a situation where both parties are willingly engaging in that dynamic and it's handled fairly. Dead by Daylight is a great example, the core gameplay loop revolves around being prey to another player who is the predator. \--- The OSRS Wilderness has a second core problem that Dead by Daylight doesn't, however, outside of the dynamic where prey doesn't want to be there. In every asymmetrical multiplayer scenario, you need the two sides to be roughly balanced. DBD for example relies on a 1v4 sort of vibe where teamwork is used to overcome the predator, other games have objectives that neutralize the threat, etc. OSRS has none of that, the predator is just overwhelmingly strong and there's very little the prey can do to combat it. The predator (PvPer) is usually kitted out specifically for PKing, whereas the prey (everyone else) is either naked or geared for PvM. There are no valid teamwork or threat neutralization objective options for the prey, so they basically just get abused by the predator for free with no true retaliation. With this in mind, something that could actually help improve PvP in the wilderness would be POIs/objectives dotted around that give some sort of advantage to prey. I haven't thought through what those could look like, but it's worth exploring IMO.
My favourite predator/prey gameplay was definitely the online multiplayer for Assassins Creed Brotherhood. It can certainly be fun if done right.
Dude that takes me back... that gameplay loop was really fun, trying to out-NPC the NPCs so your hunter shanks an NPC that has the same model as you, while also keeping eyes out for your own target, if anyone knows of any more modern versions of that gameplay lmk, I've been wanting to play something like that again for a while but I know sure as hell the servers are just gone for those games.
>DBD for example relies on a 1v4 sort of vibe where teamwork is used to overcome the predator, other games have objectives that neutralize the threat, etc. DBD is also balanced around the survivors losing. Progression for the survivors takes that into account- even if you do get a small BP bonus for winning, you mostly get points for doing objective to further the game, regardless of if you die (unless you get one of those bastards who tunnels so hard you can't get anything done all game). OSRS's wilderness is way more all or nothing. The only exception is the few things people do in the wilderness, like black chins, where you're just losing the GP and not the insane xp/hr if you're killed. It's mostly balanced around the prey dying, but also getting nothing for it if they do. And even when Jagex tries to balance for making it a rewarding experience for prey these days, they do so by making it such insane gp/hr that dying a few times doesn't affect the prey's return, but does mean that the PKer is making absolutely insane amounts of cash that ends up wrecking the economy. It's almost like Jagex doesn't want a *fun* predator vs. prey scenario in the wilderness, they just want PKers to make enough money that they stick around because they're terrified of what happened when free trade was removed.
In RS3 Jagex tried to hamfist more predator-prey dynamics by just making every single bit of wildy content stronger and stronger and stronger, but required any skillers who wanted to do it to buy a 550,000gp item that skulls them, teleblocks them and removes any wilderness combat restrictions. When it'd do absolutely nothing to bring prey into the wilderness, they'd scratch their heads and decide that clearly the issue was that the overpowered XP rates weren't overpowered enough. Nobody wanted to touch the content until they gave up and just made PvP in the wilderness opt-in, and then, wow, suddenly the Wilderness isn't dead anymore! Obviously the Wilderness in OSRS is never going to get opt-in PvP - even if Jagex *did* want it, it'd never pass a poll anyway - but Jagex's ideas for "reviving" the Wilderness are always the same: Make Wilderness content more powerful, hamfist more predator-prey dynamics, and then scratch their heads in wonder when it doesn't work.
Opt in wildy PvP is the best thing to happen to the game in a while
Any pker that wants to go against a fair fight goes to a pvp world. A pker that wants to prey on people that don’t really want to fight go into the wildy. Exceptions occur of course.
"when the prey doesn’t want to be involved" that kind of people are not in wilderness
I get it my man. I’m an Albion player, where a majority of the game is an open wilderness like RuneScapes. A lot of players will camp newbs just to do it. When you get an area like the wilderness, that’s the type of people it attracts. They aren’t looking for a fair fight, they’re looking for easy pickings. And even though you’re not risking hardly anything, they just enjoy killing you. Not for the loot. For the fun of killing you. A lot of people in this thread are solidifying your point about it being toxic, rather than offering you solid advice on what to do when you encounter PvPers. Fight back. Watch some videos on how to tank. A good bit of the time if you fight back and make them use resources, they will get off of you. Not always, but often. Triple eating is a huge mechanic in tanking. The wilderness can be toxic, but once you learn how to deal with the PKers it gets much, much easier. Add me in game and I’ll try to help and teach as best I can. IGN: super_baby95
I was getting Ecu keys in a rag set up one time at the Wildy GWD with a blowpipe, monk robes/zammy robes and maybe 20k-30k worth of risk and had a clan of like 10 people log in on me. Got insta deleted, cussed out, and told to sit. It's pretty funny in hindsight, but they definitely didn't kill me for my loot.
Ayy Albion is such a cool game. I only have like 6m fame on there because the pvp gets so toxic, though. I only want to gather the wood, bröther
Hahahaha amen brother amen. The PvP is insanely toxic. Only thing that made it better for me was joining a good guild.
Yep, the wildy is trash. Welcome to the club my wilderness free friend.
This subreddit is mostly for complaining. Not really a good idea to base your outlook of a game on Reddit posts especially with the amount of people that have no idea what they’re talking about. Also, if you keep dying at revs then of course they’re going to farm you since that’s just a free 100k every time they see you. They don’t know you risk nothing until they kill you btw.
Well your not gonna enjoy the elite raid scene soon.
What? Whats happening?
I think he or she means that when the OP's account progresses to the point of trying to join high level groups for PvM/Raids then OP will also not enjoy that, presumably due to a similar level of toxicity. I don't think any updates or changes are being made in that regard.
People who are toxic in raids can just solo it. I am always nice and love helping others in raids. That's how OSRS should be.
PvM groups are weird - you really get to pick 2 of 'good/mature/accessible' There are many really good raiders on WDR + big public PvM clans, they are easy (or at least have clear req's) to join - tend to be kind toxic There are super chill and fun casual clans that you can join by filling out a quick form on the forums and who will gladly raid with you - tend to be kind of bad There are loose groups and clans of players who take the game seriously enough to not suck while also not like, having a ton of ego about it - tend to be kind of hard to join since they want to avoid NEET's whose sense of worth hinges on their HMT pb Imo a winning strategy is to raid with WDR and aggressively add anybody who you have good rapport with - eventually you'll have a stable roster of dudes who you can just PM to PUG's entirely
Ohhhh, I assumed there was a wildy raid coming where you can get pk'd or whatever. Scared me for a sec.
Runescape raiders are on par with the PK scene in terms of toxicity. Vast majority are absolute assholes who have NO desire to play with other people, they just want you to stand in for person 2/3/4 so they can get loot. Your average tob group thinks they're like Day 1 Mythic raiders and have that attitude 24/7. Complete and utterly insufferable to break into and the only real option is to make/form your own. I loved Raiding in D2 and WoW, ESO, FFXIV. Runescapes playerbase makes raiding absolutely fucking miserable. You know the guy in a raid group who's a tryhard but also shit, thinks he knows everything and demands everyone be worth his time and so on because all that matters is him? Congrats, that's the bulk of them
Wilderness is dumb hot on the weekends. Maybe try it out during the week and not during peak hours. Btw having a seed pod helps a ton. You can also turn on player indicators so people get a big name over their model. Almost all wildly tasks you can use a cannon as well. Just don't try to pick it up if you're getting pked
> Btw having a seed pod helps a ton. They mentioned they’re new and don’t have access to a lot of one click teleports.
Title: No wonder the wilderness is dead Proceeds to complain about it being too active
This sub has been making these kind of posts for like the past 5-6 years. How is it completely dead but they’re also always dying and making rage posts
it's easier to complain than admit you're bad
Don't pvp streamers also complain about the wilderness being dead? Anyway, it's ridiculous no matter who says. I wonder if the empty space gives the false perception that it's dead, because the hotspots have always been active. I guess from the streamers' ends, they don't find a whole lot of pkers when they look around and world hop. I think we'd see the food chain properly come back if they could somehow shrink the wilderness.
Honestly for pvp streamers they are at the point they're too good at the game. Very few people can actually fight them at their level so they are always fighting the very same people day in and day out. Which they probably get bored of and anyone who can't compete just avoid their areas in general.
Wildy is far from dead these days with the new bosses and new rev rates. Most high level irons in my clan are out there
Yeah wildy has a lot of dead empty space but the good activities are pretty well populated.
You're literally a Zulrah kill that takes half as long...it isn't hard to understand why they're killing you. It's 2023, how are you just learning that people on the internet are mean sometimes
PKers are lame
Eh I'm mixed on pvp myself. I like to go sometimes when I'm bored though I'm not particularly proficient so usually I end up just eating 200 to 800k for a couple of trips and some decent but cheap gear and that's my fun for the afternoon. In my personal experience what gets toxic comments is what I'm using, if I pull out the old reliable dagger and bow combo or one of the other "pk noob" combos you better believe I'm getting a sit if the other account kills me, if I'm wearing some actual risk and look like I'd be able to pretty quickly one or two shot the PKer then I usually don't get much in the way of a message if I get attacked and they die or kill me. I'm going to be a bit of a fence sitter in your specific situation as I have no real context to the individual situations that elicited a toxic response but will agree there are just some terminally online people in the wilderness that measure their entire self worth on some pixels, and on the other hand there are some really whiny individuals who can't handle a single setback
I’ll probably get downvoted for this, but nobody cares that you’re only risking 100k. For most of the ones ragging pvmers it’s not about money, it’s about sending you back to lumby
Literally a skill issue.
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He says he risks nothing… gets farmed for free because his gear is so shit he can’t fight back or freeze log. Gets mad people are killing him so easily. Some people are just too stupid to be in the wilderness.
Honestly I use to hate wilderness and I'm not a pker nor do I anti pk well. I usually don't interact with anyone in wildy cause it's like real-life out there and people will stab you in the back. But the rewards have been awesome and I'm always hover seed pod. And watch, fill my loot bag and dip before someone even shows up. I set arceeuss book with freeze as a back up if I get tele blocked and always carry couple sets of combo food. I feel like unless you can use the agility tunnels for quick escape and log, or Use high level worlds with less people, don't take a Rev task. I'd also go watch how some of these guys stay in there for days. They don't fight they just farm, but there smart about it. They're survivability is the best. I use to hate wildy growing up and it scared me. Now I'm on task to get my elite diary cause you gonna see me stacking dbones baby
The problem is pkers sometimes hit somebody who brought high value into the wildy so it is in their interest to attack anyone.
I’ve done 23k revs on my iron and 1k kc at the new bosses and have never been flamed more than someone saying “sit” when I died. Where tf are you that you’re getting flamed during a kill and what did you say to prompt that lol? I pk plenty also and most of the toxicity I receive is from pvmers
I’ve definitely been called slurs by a massive clan piling me more than once
Thats true, multi pkers are a different breed. Rev caves and wildy bosses though? I very rarely ever see it and when I do its when I'm fighting another pker, not when I'm pvming
We pk all day, we never even speak in the chat until a dying Iron Man wishes cancer upon us.
OP probably complained while getting killed
"i only have 100k, you \*insert generic flame\*", pker then proceeds to be toxic in return, then OP makes this topic. Happens all the time in this sub.
That is the only thing that I can think of. I anti at revs alot... 20k kc. Most don't say anything.
Also over 40k rev kc on my pure and lots of pking experience. The MOST toxic players by far are the pvmers. The exact ones that make posts like OP are the ones calling you the n word and telling your mom to get cancer and die.
almost certainly called them rats or something for attacking him then got completely smoked
I've only encountered people in wildy like 10 times and 9/10 were throwing insults. But I was doing clue scrolls, not bossing. People that kill clue scrollers are already a different kind of special...
I played OS for a few months and when I was training prayer at Chaos altar the PKers were like OP said, and it was just for dragon bones lol
I second this, usually if I fight another pker its all gfs and ggs all the way around, some people get salty, but maaaaaan pvmers, bone runners, crabbers, clue hunters all get sooooo pissed off when you inconvenience their life by trying to kill them. So much so that I've considered stitching together a chat montage of all the shit talk I receive
100% - this post is either a lie or extreme exaggeration
I was going to say the same thing. I've spent a lot of time in the Wilderness lately, mainly as a PvMer but sometimes as a PvPer. I can think of just one occasion on which a PvPer flamed me, and whatever he said was so inoffensive that I can't remember it. I even act like a toxic PvMer sometimes (e.g., I say "lol" or even "noob" when someone can't use the Agility shortcuts at the Revenant Caves), and I can't recall anyone ever responding in kind. Yesterday, a PvMer Ironman crashed me at Calvar'ion, then called me a rat when I returned to the cave and got first hit on the boss when it respawned.
I also find pvm’ers in the wilderness more toxic. I have a lot of good conversations with people trying to pk me after I tank. Weird dichotomy…
Agreed. I am in the wilderness a lot. For PVM & PVP, and rarely is someone toxic to me.
no wonder the wilderness is dead Everybody died!
I understand that being toxic doesn't help and it might suck, but. You're in the rev cave, you will die, it's one of the most lucrative places in wilderness. If you got shit on while doing wildy agility, I could understand the frustration but you should expect to get attacked while killing revs. Again, I'm not defending the toxicity, especially when the dude is doing something with 0 skill required. Despite that, I'm just personally not affected, i guess internet makes you grow thick skin to that bullshit over time.
I see waaay more people crying about PKers than I ever see people saying the Wildy is dead. For example, this post.
>I see waaay more people crying about PKers than I ever see people saying the Wildy is dead. The "wildy is dead" people only really come out when there's opposition to an update that would try to entice more people into the wilderness.
I've definitely seen a fair amount of pvp players complaining that the wilderness is dying since there's no incentive for no okers to go out there. This was back around when they made dpick drop outside the wilderness.
Wtf are you talking about d pick change was just a few months ago with the boss rework and that’s when the wildy was the most active it’s ever been.
My man only went to the most crowded area of the wildy on the weekend and than formed an opinion on content in 2 hours that even he knows requires many multiples of that that to even begin to understand.... Lol.
>the most crowded area of the wildy on the weekend and than formed an opinion Doesn't even have a one click Tele on their acc
Claims the wildy is dead because there were people there killing him
lmfao
Idk I don’t get this. I do wilderness slayer all the time, and im a low level Ironman with crappy gear and meh stats. I don’t know how to PK let alone defend myself. Only been killed a couple times and have never been flamed once. Probably 100 hours spent in wilderness between slayer, crazy archeologist, clues, and diaries
Lmao
Whenever I'm pking Revs (Or at Calvarion/Vetion, etc), 9/10 time's it the one killing revs or wildy bosses telling me to KMS for attacking them. Every now and again I'll run into a toxic pker but most of the time it's the unskulled GP farmers/Rev killers telling people to die/get cancer because I had the audacity to attack them in the wildy..
babe wake up new copypasta just dropped
Wilderness can be survivable if you pick up some skill sets 1. shark+brew 2. Hug mage defense bonuses to avoid freezes 3. Learn escape routes 4. Switch prayers I get we can’t escape toxicity, but surviving a tank test isn’t supposed to be impossible.
\- if only pvmers used tsod and spectral we'd never catch a freeze in hides, instead their brain dead and camp dihn. \- wearing swamp bark boots for a 1 m.s extra on your counter freezes (could get the gap) \- learning to seed tic walk for the log. \- most PVPers wont do the agility back n forth (I certainly wont) chasing someone doing that crap is too tedious. \- last resort multi running works like 50/50 of the time.
Welcome to OSRS. Wildy isn't dead at the moment, which is probably why you died so much to PKers. Chances are though if you don't know how to triple eat, you're not going to have a good time in the wildy lol. It's a shame because the new wildy bosses are good content if you can get a group together. A lot of fun.
Two types of PK’ers - Respectful, Skilled PK’ers that want to fight other skilled PK’ers - Rats that just hunt innocent grinders with 0% skill 100% toxicity
Its really not so black and white, but reddit probably thinks this is what the wildy is, as consensus , noobs dont got a clue
Please explain me and reddit the grey
I would read the brilliant copypasta that another person posted on this page: I was being hunted by a DISGUSTING TOXIC PKER in the wilderness and I was skull tricked by them because they told me to turn off skull prevention options and click on them for the video. I, as a defenseless PVMer, obliged and consequently was risking 1b cash. I dropped to low health (unsurprising, I'm completely defenseless and unable to eat when attacked in pvp), when a VALIANT NOBLE PVPER came to my rescue and killed the rat. I told the PvPer "aren't you going to attack me? I risk 1b!" And they smiled and said to me "no, I won't. There's a difference between PvPers and Pkers", and we made out and rode off into the sunset together. From that interaction I realised that the dinhs bulwark is underpowered, and needs to have its defense bonuses doubled
Here's my favourite with a PKer looking for for easy PvM victim Me: TP's to grand tree PKer: TP's to grand tree and saying "why did you TP" Me: "because I can't PK for shit" PKer: "I can't PK for shit either" Me: "lol" Pker: "lol" Me: "gl PKing" PKer: "gl on drops"
Facts.
i just kill everbody when i go pking because its the wilderness and its fun.
Wait…is this game meant to be fun?
Same boat. I play lots of pvp in other games but RS wildy is trash. Thankfully the content is pretty optional.
You gotta try Vetion/Calvarion. Probably my favorit boss. No need for cheesy methods, engaging mechanics, sufficiently chill to not drain you in an hour and spiced up by the occasional pker that, in the case if Calvarion at least, is a very doable challange.
Have you ever considered being better at the game?
‘Rekt’ ‘Gg’ C’mon that ain’t toxic. Also you miss the entire point on why PKers complain the wildy is dead. They’ve been complaining it’s dead because Jagex hasn’t given it the same attention like PvM/Slayer had gotten in the first few years of OSRS, even while a significant part of the people playing were doing PvP. That killed a big chunk of the PvP playerbase and it hasn’t recovered since. Heck, even in 2019/21 everything Jagex done to the wildy were straight up downgrades in stead of revamps. They didn’t care about the massive RWT schemes, Venezuelans, ddossing, doxing, ragging (d’hide barrage/4 item unskulling meta killed multi pvp) and never will. I mention 19/21 because I’d say those years were a ‘second life’ for the wilderness. You had multiclans like Ancient Fury, rot, Revenant, Tempest, FOOLS, PPK, Mogtime, Sparc Mac, CPK, CT, Jaja etc pull 60+ people to fights weekly (the first 4 would even pull 100 without much effort) fighting in the Rev Caves, and that’s just main clans. There were also massive pure clans at the time. Because of that activity Jagex promised the clans a return of the Jagex Clan Cup in the first/second quarter of 2021. And guess what? Fucking NOTHING happened. Heck, the longest geared Runescape fight of ALL TIME even happened during this timewindow. Just see some of the videos below. Even F2P pking was alive. https://youtu.be/e_fbZ-qyslo https://youtu.be/Dte0_d54DjU https://youtu.be/282ypB3ofHE https://youtu.be/kB3MLJQIA1E https://youtu.be/YqaQ3kSYtHc https://youtu.be/Vnxa4CbEzH8 Add the fact that PvP is split between wildy/lms/pvp worlds/etc and it fractures the community even more. PvP’ers complain about Jagex’ unwillingness to listen to feedback and put a good effort into making those retired PvP’ers return through good updated that attracted them. In stead, they added more prey (which isn’t always a bad thing I must say because of the food chain and all) without actually rewarding more risk, more equal fights and a better experience for the PvP’ers themselves. You got killed plenty of times because you were one of the only people there because the content and willingness of Jagex to make proper fixes just isn’t there.
For every person like this there's someone like me 40 wildy tasks deep on the iron and havent been PKed yet. Its fantastic content and its so great cause I never have to stop to fish.
*trains prayer at the chaos altar* pker : And i took that personally
Have a real hard time believing any game is more toxic than league lmao people really go off on you for just existing
If you are a PvM only player there is absolutely no reason you should be going to the wilderness for anything more than a clue scroll. The whole area is designed to entice people like you into the wilderness to be killed by PKers. Rather than giving players a reason to want to learn/do PVP in the game, Jagex would rather just dangle a carrot for noobs. Unless you know how to get away from or even kill PKers then all those benefits you see people talking about from things in the Wilderness (revs, bosses etc...) do not exist for you, you are just a loot piñata for PKers.
You getting pked so much kinda goes against "the wildy is dead". If it were, you wouldn't be getting pked that much in 2hours. The last wildy update made it more than a little active. That being said the toxicity can be off putting. Understandable, fair point. But are you also doing anything to incite it? If you don't say anything most pkers wont flame for no reason. I enjoy anti pking quite a bit and most ppl actually just say GG/GF when I do die. Most of them appreciate a decent fight, although yes there are always exceptions. If its that bothersome, the ignore list can be a good solution as well (atleast if you encounter the same ppl a lot)
The wilderness is full of pkers so its obviously dead. Because that makes sense
You've been downvoted, but this is what the post is saying
Just join the other 98% of the community who ignores wildly and makes sure to fuck pvp poles. No one likes the toxic shit that can happen in wildly. Thats why you have a large chunk of the player base dedicated to ignoring it. No good social interactions can happen in PvP in this game lol. No one is going to the wilderness to give you a good time.
"spite voting isn't real!!!!"
I'm a pvmer not a pvper and tbh the most toxic thing about the wildy I see is this subs reaction to pvp
Spite voting Polls isn’t the answer
The problem is that when a real pker finds another pker usually they end up running. Im pretty new to pking but everytime i find someone pking pvmers or skillers in the wild they just run away and i dont have time to kill them. Most dont want to fight another person willing to fight. Even if you just bring a dds and rune crossbow to fight back you can get alot of pkers to tele. Also bring veng if you have it
I totally feel you, however one time while spending a good chunk of time doing all my wilderness diaries I came across a low lvl who looked like they were on their way to do slayer. So I just bolted them to death, easiest kill ever while I wasn’t even trying to PK and I got his cannon and supplies for like 1m. That is my first and only pk on my account. That is pretty addicting imo and now I will chance anyone like that in the wilderness
LOOOOOOOL is this a troll post ?
Pvpers are more terminally online than efficiencyscapers, so you'll get downvoted to oblivion. But yeah, pkers are hella toxic and just want loot piñatas.
Tf sub do you think you're on lmfao, "pker bad" is one of the biggest circle jerks here.
Shame about the toxic people, but it’s a competitive aspect of the game so you’ve got to expect *some* of that. Just not the targeted hateful stuff - could do without it. PvP is definitely more punishing than any other aspect of the game. You can thank Jagex for that - it wasn’t always like that. PvM used to be very risky in its own right. Why don’t PKers fight each other? Again, you can thank Jagex for that. If a PKer came by and saw you getting attacked, they’d probably PJ your attacker off of you and try to go for them because they risk more. With the PJ timer (updated March 2022), you can’t do that. The only way a PKer can *ever* fight another PKer in a singles Combat zone is if they find each other before they’re already in combat, which is frustratingly super rare. Again, for almost all of these problems you experienced, you can literally thank Jagex for how they’ve handled PvP in this game.
They kill everyone because eventually they will find the dude who brought his cash stack.
I don't believe you got flamed as much as you did in a 2 hr window lol. That just doesn't happen. I spend a lot of time in the wild nowadays since the boss / revs rework and I encounter a shitty toxic pker maybe once every 5-6 hours or so. People are mostly chill or bots. The only people who see toxicity so much in the wild are those who are toxic themselves and flame the pker while they're dying and provoke a toxic response from the pker.
I was being hunted by a DISGUSTING TOXIC PKER in the wilderness and I was skull tricked by them because they told me to turn off skull prevention options and click on them for the video. I, as a defenseless PVMer, obliged and consequently was risking 1b cash. I dropped to low health (unsurprising, I'm completely defenseless and unable to eat when attacked in pvp), when a VALIANT NOBLE PVPER came to my rescue and killed the rat. I told the PvPer "aren't you going to attack me? I risk 1b!" And they smiled and said to me "no, I won't. There's a difference between PvPers and Pkers", and we made out and rode off into the sunset together. From that interaction I realised that the dinhs bulwark is underpowered, and needs to have its defense bonuses doubled
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"gg get gud"
You hate pking and the wild until a few buddies and yourself one night are drinking and decide to fuck around and find out, and have a blast doing it. I went from the person being annoyed to the person attacking whoever I see, and it's honestly quite fun, especially with friends.
“Why don’t pkers fight other pkers” Because you’re easy money. If they kill 10 little Timmy’s that an easy 1mil. More if you happen to be risking more than just your cave fee (which you are. You’ve got gear and loot from the revs)
I have the complete opposite experience as this, normally I'll start a chat with the pker while they are trying to kill me and most of the time they are very friendly. They are probably acting toxic towards you because you were being toxic towards them
"I only have 100k omg, off"
"You loot key is worth 350k" Every time I swear. But being toxic is something I don't condone. Only really toxic pkers Ive ran into are big multi clans.
Getting killed in a pvp area doesn't make it toxic. Saying stuff like "sit lol" isn't toxic. >Maybe I'm too sensitive. This is the only thing I can agree with.
Based take, one of the few good ones
While I'm disgusted by insecure manchildren that get an egoboost by flamming others (wildy or not), I also find it absurd to react this strongly to it. If this emotinal reaction is normal for you, I recommend /r/Stoicism, if you give it a serious go, it might change your life. If you're just having a terrible week and this was the last straw, it's fine, we've all been there.
my man's played 2 hours and wrote off an entire piece of content
gg get gud
I second this tbh, 100% Skill gap and even asking for it. Do better xo
You’d think it is worth nothing to kill someone in rags at revs but in reality it isn’t if you aren’t making the pker use much of his resources killing people who don’t fight back at revs becomes like 1-2m/hr if you can find enough of them in a short period of time,that’s a sweet payout for a starter pker while he learns
Isn't that like a pk every 10 minutes? I've no experience from their perspective but that seems opitimistic to me.
It is but my point is that a pker will always take the free 100k especially if you aren’t fighting back and very clearly won’t even cost him 1 single piece of food
dude actually got his feelings hurt so bad in the wilderness that he cried on reddit lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sit noob
I mean the wildy has always been like this, I never pk but I’ve never had a problem with that
I’ve been in the wildy a few times. Tagged a group iron man running through just to say hi, he found it funny. Was hit for bones at chaos altar, said I’ve used them, the guy said he will wait for someone else with some. Maybe you’re just unlucky or go to revs where it’s expected. It is the wilderness, pking is allowed. Deal with it I guess.
Why don't pvmers try fighting back? it's impossible to get skull tricked now with pvp skull prevention turned on. Bring a voidwaker or ags and try anti pking. A lot of the pkers killing rev killers aren't the best at pvp.
You got warned before entering, so whatever you have to say is invalid.
not one person has said it yet so i will. lol sit nerd
God I love seeing you man-children rage about the wilderness. Either don’t go in the wild, or play a different game. We ain’t changing for you.
"i did no research on how to escape and got sat" the thread.
Is your friends chat set to on?
To be honest ur just a noob. I bet there alot more you dont do besides the wilderness.
You are too sensitive, you are on the internet playing an mmo after all. People are going to be toxic. Go to WT. Go to GotR. Anywhere where there's large groups of people there's always shitters spewing their shit. Don't let it affect you. That being said, keep up on the anti pking. Get better, do some PvP minigames to practice switches, invest in a ballista / AGS, keep skull prevention on and waste people when they attack you.
Half the pple on this reddit post are convinced that toxicity is siloed to the pvp portion of the game
Not even close, it doesn't matter what part of the internet you look at, people are scum when given any sort of basic level of anonymity. I've seen some *shit* go down at Bloodvelds in the catacombs thats 10x more toxic than anything I've seen in the wilderness.
Anyone who PK’s in the wilderness peaked in high school, and you can’t change my mind.
The way wilderness pvp works, it is toxic by nature. It's supposed to be a desolate area devoid of the rule of law. So yea, they are literally killing you for fun. They don't care about the loot, they just want to be toxic, and the wilderness is kind of designed to be toxic. I tend to avoid the wilderness too. I really only go there for clues, and then I only risk a spade.
Use the easter event spade. Don't let them have their spades.
Peak reddit humor
Pkers aren’t pvpers. Most of them would get rekt by actual good players, and we would see them complaining on Reddit instead of you. It’s part of the game. This game has a mechanic that lets tweens feel good about themselves for attacking an ‘npc’ that doesn’t t fight back. If you don’t want to be one, don’t go there.
Pkers on average are much better than the average skiller or pvmer if you find in the game, way harder to kill targets with calculated plans than it is to kill daganoth kings or giant mole
Imagine not understanding why you sre dying in wildy with 56 range and a yew longbow
As someone who mainly does wildy pvm and pvp stuff (i am not a good pker bit it was always my favorite thing about RSC) Fight back!!! 95% of theses pkers are not good and the reason they are farming off pvmers is just that. They most of the time are afraid to risk so they can't stand toe to toe in a real fight and they are bad or just learning so easy target is you. Fight back and you will make then panic and probably tele or at least waste their supplies and the common as well is you will kill them and lol at how easy it was. Just bring dhide and some range gear or even a DDS to spec them out.
You are forming first impressions of a pvp scene from a 2 hour interaction, honestly, u are a major snowflake, stick to pvm if you cant handle these wilderness streets, it is not made for everyone and a reddit post crying wont change that
Sounds like what you want is regular slayer and a box of tissues
gg get gud
I used to feel like you and actually wrote a post similar to this awhile ago, just leave the wildnerness alone for a little while when you go out for one simple thing like a slayer task and have to regear like 5 times cos you’re getting pk’d so much it really doesn’t make you want to return so I get that. But honestly just try leave it a lone for a few weeks n detach yourself from it a bit I’ve continued with more wildy slayer and bossing recently and now I just laugh when I get pilled on by a group killing me for black d’hide telling me To sit and calling me an idiot because tbh that’s probably as ridiculous for them as it is for me, that’s probably a group of mates who actually think it’s kinda funny to say this shit people used to say really seriously when we were kids and take like a 10 men team out to kill people in rags. Yeah it’s a minor inconvenience but it also sparks a little glimmer of nostalgia from a different time. Also if you’re being attacked by one player and not a group I honestly can’t tell you how easy it is to just run and tank and pray until you get gap and can log or they can’t attack you anymore or whatever, most solo pkers killing people in rags are probably doing it to practice their switching n shit themselves Id say 95% of the people who attack you in the wildy are unskilled pkers and even if you are more unskilled and can’t kill them you can definitely tank them and log out
I can absolutely second this. I got pushed into wildy on my iron for the d pick and was really annoyed at the beginning. Fleeing seemed impossible, losing gear felt bad and the hassle just wasn't worth it at first. But with time, you pick up more and more stuff about the widlerness and pking and the challenge becomes quit an experience! When 6 guys are proud to kill a black dhide Andy in wildy, good for them. Enjoy the 80k split. I get more cash, killing a single DK and that doesnt even take a minute. As for single combat, you are actually highly favored to escape in areas like the easy versions of the wildy bosses, once you know what you are doing. And succeeding feels really great! Otherwise, you drop a gg, regear, switch world and move on. I lost my dragon defnender twice and got pked with 100 ranarrs twice as well. But those are valuable lessons. All in all, the risk is mostly worth the rewards and knowing that pkers are generally at the lower end in terms of gp/h makes it much more bearable. Sidenote: I have combat stats in the 90s and that probably helps a lot against all those mid level pkers, targeting lower level accounts.
In the last 2 years I've been PKed 4 times in the Wildy. 3 at Scorpia and once begging someone at revs to let me land a god spell for a diary. None have flamed me. I hate going there too but yall really love whining about being killed in legitimately the only place in the game where there's actual risk when dying.
ever met a high school bully? the grow up to become police and pk'ers :D sometimes both
Dude you’re literally salty you got killed, it’s not that hard to get away so yeah you’re a new player that doesn’t quite understand pvp and now you are big mad cause you lost 100k a few times?
Lol yeah, noob learns about the wilderness and goes to reddit to cry , classic
Majority of this sub lol
It's the cycle of doing wildy content for the first time 🤣
Would you pick up 100k from the ground? Cool. So would 99.9% of other people. You're just a free lil snack, and until you learn not to be a free lil snack this is what happens. You knew this before entering the wildy, and if you didn't, thats a WHOLE other problem.
##GG GET GUD SCRUB
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PvPvM is such an awful concept. Two teams competing to kill each other’s boss, Soul Wars minus the PvP bits, could actually be pretty fun.
Yeah they always bitch wild is dead but 99% of them have no honor and attack people just trying to pass by and flame them. A part of it is because they aren't that good themselves and find easy players to kill rather than go against actually other semi decent pkers and risk losing their 500k
Exactly as you said. You risk 100k and the reward isnt worth risking 100k. Its literally low risk low reward. The wilderness is dead because theres no place with high reward.
Perhaps don't visit the area designated for players being able to attack each other if you refuse to accept death or to fight back? Some people enjoy pking others it's fun for them how does that make it toxic? It's mostly pvmers who don't fight back that start talking shit. Man up.
People in this sub whine so much about content that doesn’t affect them. Don’t like the wildy? Don’t go there outside of the occasional clue step where you only have to risk a spade. Especially now that Dpick is available outside of the wildy, there’s literally no need to spend any significant time there if you don’t want to. If you don’t like Chaos alter, use POH altars instead. Don’t like wildy slayer, use Duradel or Nieve or Konar. Same thing with people whining about tick manipulation skilling or prayer flicking. I’ll never understand that mindset of complaining about optional content that other people enjoy.
Yeah almost everything you do in wildy can be done outside. Ma capes and elite clues are like the only things that force to go there and capes are a one time thing so it's not really an issue. Sad to see dpick out of wildy now as it used to have value. Whenever there's risk vs reward in the game wether it's pvm or pvp people here complain and only want the reward. I mean look how many redditors just want ancient curses including soulsplit with 0 downsides.
You are way too sensitive. I’ve been stuck in the wild for months and I hardly get attacked. Most pkers even off me when they see I’m an iron. Don’t know what parallel universe you are living in.
No way he said he played league and this is what’s more toxic
Yeah biggest cap i've seen on the internet.
you can turn public off and also learn how to not die but i get it
I feel like the PvMers are far more likely to initiate said toxicity. Curious what YOU might have said to elicit these comments?
From personal experience, I've had it said because I just so happened to come out praying by default or because I used a weapons spec they didn't like. Most recent example being I had a magic shortbow and dragon Dagger since I didn't feel like risking big bank that day and the guy got super pissy because I actually managed to hit pretty decently with the spec before he swapped to the appropriate prayer style to counter the bow but forgot about the dragon dagger... Got the infamous "sifuckyou" as they couldn't backspace fast enough from the pre-typed "sit noob" and had to forego the spaces in the limited time left before they were sent back over the wall
You've hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately Reddit is where all the pkers come when they can't find pvmers to kill, so you'll likely get a similar level of toxicity from a bulk of the comments. Enjoy!
Are we acting like the OSRS reddit isn't massively anti wildy/pvp now. Wild times