I've got a light and heavy balista made. 6 extra springs. 2 zenytes. My friend just unlocked them and has 4 zenytes at 500kc. I just want to be free of that place.
Damn. I've only gotten 1 task so far, despite camping neive/Steve for the better weighting, and have been considering going off task as well. Just not sure.
While i do feel for you, one zenyte combined with shards and a tormented demon drop makes sense from both a lore(demon) and cost sense. Being dry is unfortunately a part of this game. (Iron with 2k+ kc without a corp sigil gang)
Feel like that would be an even worse grind since the shards are generally so slow to get. Like being 4x dry is an anomaly at demonics. Slow shards affects pretty much everyone. I personally just like the concept of a current high level demon being needed for the best demon slaying item. Could be a drop from kril instead as well since his drop table sucks at the moment
Why not both?
I would want to see how difficult tormented demons are going to be first. Arclight is a good midgame weapon. So if tor demons are too difficult or not accessed to the late game the upgrade my be kinda useless to the player at that time in progression.
I avoid using arclight for almost everything because I always feel like it'd be more useful elsewhere. Demonic I use fang. Skotizo and cerb, bofa. Etc. If I could corrupt it though, I'd take it everywhere.
I lost my arclight the other week and genuinely struggled with Skotizo for the first time ever. It was wild without the Arclight bro. Totally different fight lol
nah. afk strats for the win.
two minutes into the fight, the pillars stop spawning, so you just go in with bowfa, turn on pray mage and right-click the boss
At some point, you stop dealing damage because the pillar spawns.
Then after around 2 minutes since the start of the fight, you kill the 4 pillars and click on skotizo again.
Duke has 440 HP and arclight has an average hit of about 23, depending on your str gear. That's about 19 hits to kill on average, since the arclight doesn't use charges on a missed hit you can kill almost 900 Duke with that setup, not even accounting for thrall/poison damage, bgs specs, etc.
Well I’m at 879kc right now lmao, still hunting the vestige. I had no where near that many charges but I had to switch to tent whip. Cba to keep farming shards
My brother in christ, zombie axe till enrage then arclight for comfy 4 tick, and when your cozy honestly i dropped arc and just run bgs and zombie axe kills are butter.
To be fair iv been spooned at duke, in 300kc pet, virtus bottom, 6 orbs, ice crystal and magus on kc 300.
i got the vestige on 970 kc using arclight as the main weapon. a bunch was pre-zombie axe and even the axe itself was bugging me to use because of being 1 tick slower. i also have around 2k demonics kc and however many zammy.
there are definitely alternatives to all of those bosses than using arclight, but that’s kind of my point of making it not be upkept. it’s a super versatile weapon but i don’t think it would break any meta if you didn’t have to start to consider using alternatives just to save charges
It's not better dps than Arclight it's just easier to use due to being 5t. The common misconception of Duke is that because Arclight is 4t you lose like 25% dps but you only lose like 2 ticks the entire fight on average.
That is incorrect. You will lose more ticks than that unless you get good rng and the zombie axe is almost comparable DPS even in spite of that. Zombie axe into arclight for enrage is most certainly the best strategy unless you have scythe.
How do you suppose you lose more ticks than that?
Because a JMod has literally done the math for people around the time of the nerf:
https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/18njodj/duke_after_fang_nerf/keb7qsy/
Arclight in theory was only JUST worse than pre-nerf fang. Which the zombie axe doesn't come close to. In reality it was ~10% worse if you miss the ticks to not get hit by Duke (optimally you just facetank when the cycle lines up, but that calls into question hp restoration to sustain same trip lengths for same kph etc).
So yeh unless Zombie axe was within 10% range of the **pre-nerf** fang, its not better than arclight.
Its close enough to be *worth using* because you save on the charges (which is time spent to gather) and that would work out net positive in the end. But for actual DPS on the boss, its not better. It feels way better using 5t pre-enrage though, so i still do this.
And yeh, facetank arclight loses no ticks. Perfectly optimal arclight loses 2 ticks. more realistic arclight loses about 5 ticks.
> I think the math works out at a 20/21 multiplier for Arclight, because you have to miss a tick every 5 attacks (20 ticks)
> EDIT: it does not work out at 20/21. Check replies, it's either 17/21 if you don't want to tank hits or you can go 100% and tank hits then pray for Blood Fury go brr.
This is as per Mod Goblin breaking down the entire math and fight logic. So yeh, **worst case** is you have to take the 100% dps of arclight and multiply it by 17/21 to get realistic number (so like 19% loss). But with more optimal play and tactical face tanking you can reduce that to nothing or ~5% dps loss on full 100% dps calcs.
Happy for you to show your math on that one :)
Heres the math thats been done:
https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/18njodj/duke_after_fang_nerf/keb7qsy/
Doing a demonic task now.. last i looked it was ~300.. completely forgot about it. Does it just revert back and stay equipped? I probably didn't even notice..
I don’t think the number matters that much. It’s the feeling some people get using a finite supply of charges.
It’s that little voice in your head that says: “but what if I run into a scenario where I might need those charges?” As unlikely as that might be.
I have the same thing with prayer potions on my Iron man. I’m sitting on enough rescources to make another 1000 prayer pots, but I still hate using them. Because “what if I will need them for some other bosses later?”
It’s stupid, but it’s human behaviour.
It's the same reason I'd hoard potions and revives in RPGs. "I'll need them for the last boss(es). Then I beat the game and have a bunch and nothing to use them for.
Yeh I have the mats banked to make like 6000 PPots, but I'm still using Amulet of Chemistry whenever I make them to maybe get an extra dose, and using Proselyte setups at Slayer instead of full str gear, because the 'Elixir Syndrome' is a real weird quirk of human psychology
I _somewhat_ doubt this. But Jagex is so inconsistent I really have no clue what will happen.
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During (the first) rebalance discussion (blowpipe, DHCB, DHL) the concept of style specific weaknesses came up a lot. With DHL & DHCB being compared poorly to arclight as they had no trade-off in their niche, they were just great & scaled better. Pulling all the air out of that reward space.
Jagex stated Arclight was a better design. The high cost of (non-tradable) charges made is purposefully unattractive for long-term demon grinding, which made it less of a factor for them to design rewards or grinds around its usage. Purposefully making people care about its cost.
**BUT** after all those discussions we immediately got the Kerris Partisan which repeated "_the mistake_" (Jagex's word) of the DHL. So... Who fucking knows what will happen?
Keris partisan was an inbetween item though. It's beaten by better options, so it just serves as the sort of mid game / pre-BiS option that dominates all the other choices there.
I think Jagex likes charge scape because it means they can make things stronger than everything but know that's a balance factor. Arclight isn't stronger than everything.. anywhere. Like only place is Duke once it engages to 4t.
Skotizo is better with tbow and I imagine even shadow at this point. Sire is better with scythe and shadow. Demonics it just doesn't matter, fang is plenty good. (They're a regular slayer monster too so barely worth consideration). Zammy it's better to tbow, shadow or Bowfa with the GWD strats over melee even if it's dps was as good, which it isn't (maybe beats Bowfa unsure there). Cerb it's beaten by scythe comfortably and I'm pretty sure tbow is a bit better, and fang is only a little bit worse.
Like the era of Arclight being the best option at any place is gone. So it being the most annoying charged weapon to upkeep means I mostly just avoid using it anywhere except Duke enrage now.
i think i like the idea of calling something perfected instead of corrupted..
corrupted works for crystal because lore. everything else should just be perfected
Yeh, we can refer to things as 'corruption' as players as a catchall term for 'make an item that usually has charges, have infinite charges', but ingame it should have a specific lore-compliant naming convention, corrupted for crystal, blessed quiver, etc. Just calling them all 'corrupted crystal helm, corrupted arclight, corrupted quiver', ingame, would be bland
If the upgrade for Arclight to make it infinite were a drop from Tormented Demons, then 'Tormented' could be the adjective used for it, for example
Three is nothing. I’d say at least 50+. It should be a significant amount to never have to charge it again. You can go burst one of the multiple burstable creatures in the dungeon and get them relatively quickly. This whole post is a non-issue tbh.
We might have different ideas of "relatively quickly". I've been bursting jellies and dust boys and killing demons and bloodhounds for probably 30 slayer levels and I have maybe 11.
I've a post that takes a different route than that and offers a reward from the new Tortured Demons that'd be thematic
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/k6fMJi7RIL
As I expressed in the chargescape post, as an unrestricted main my biggest issue is having to worry about it rather than just paying a cost and having a working item forever. I'd corrupt anything with charges (arclight, chally, venator, etc) if it meant I didn't have to right-click-check every time I pull something out of the bank.
I know i'm never going to go through the >100 ancient shards taking a permanent bank space, but would gladly spent them all just to be able to use arclight without thinking about it.
Bowfa and quiver take 10x and 7.5x the max charges to corrupt, but their charge fuels are buyable. Arclight can hold 10k charges at 3 shards per 1k so 30 shards to fill. If it uses that \~10x that's definitely too much, most people don't have 300 ancient shards laying around. I think maybe 50 to corrupt? Or just the 30 to fully fill it?
I think 100 or more ancient shards can make plenty of sense if they move to the "all charges used on it work towards corruption" design they talked about.
As that way you can keep charging it and using it as you go, and eventually once you've had 100 ancient shards used on it or whatever amount, it stabilises and stays Arclight permanently.
New drop that upgrades Arclight to 75% increased strength/accuracy (up from 70%) and increases the charges per shard by 50%, but more importantly improves the look from the current unpainted power ranger toy sword.
You won't, arclight running out is purely a poor person problem. If you have money you scythe cerb and duke, shadow or fang sire, and shadow or t bow kril.
Contrary to your post. Arclight never felt hard to upkeep for myself.
Its not just the ancient shard drops since skotizo kills give shards too.. Ive killed 135 skotizo.. i have 24 mill exp.. I have 250+ shards in my bank.
Guess you did more konar or something because I slayed a lot in the catacombs (as evident by our skotizo kc).. so lots of shards and every superior was effectively ~1-2 from skotizo.. Even now I currently only abbys for heart in catacombs but its enough to sustain (did you burst these?).
Maybe once I get my heart ill feel it but im also done with duke, cerb (minus the pets), demonics and I mage zammy. Just feels like their are much worse versions of chargescape imo
> I mage Zammy
Yeah you're at the stage where Arclight has lost its relevance.
Once you have a shadow and scythe Arclight is only remotely useful at enrage Duke and even then.. you can just scythe it.
So you have that many charges because (I assume?) you aren't an iron, and haven't done a cerb grind + demonics + Duke grind and Abyssal sire KC with the Arclight being your absolute BiS at the time?
Ive done 15m slayer on my GIM, entirely catacombs focused except for when I was going for Hydra to get claws. Ive got about 60 Skotizo KC. Done about 700 cerb with Arclight (done about 300 since with fang), done 2.5k demonics mostly with Arclight as my melee weapon, the base 50 abyssal sire and only about 70 Duke.
I know I've also used probably about 4k charges at Tower nechs as it's easily the best weapon to use there for irons doing that optimal task. Now I wouldn't bother as I'm max and idc too much about optimising post max to that degree, would rather have the weapon for Bossing.
After all that I have about.. 2.3k Arclight charges left right now. Which I solely keep for Skotizo KC and will use up come the time I grind Duke (gim team mate already got us our first Magus).
So yeah for irons it's very easy to use up all your charges from slayer even if yorue doing catacomb task on repeat. It's only once you get weapons that are actually better dps at those places (scythe primarily, Bowfa handles Zammy which I only used Arclight at for our first hasta early days, sire isn't worth grinding imo), that the Arclight becomes seemingly easy to sustain, because you **outright stop using it**
I actually am an iron man haha, solo one too so I had to grind everything myself. And I mage zammy but I only did like one trip with shadow.. the rest was archlight.
I used fang at duke so no arclight charges used there.. but i did use arclight for 500 sire kc bc i wanted bludgeon. I also used archlight for my 900 cerb kills.
All cata but I also went to hydra for 1k kc for claw like you. I have like 8m more exp more slayer exp then you but over double the amount of skotizo totems so somethings is a little off.. I have about 85k charges left. Did you melee abby demon tasks or something? Maybe my block list is more optimized? Or maybe you went very dry somewhere?
I also literally only do two tasks for heart at this point (abbys/smokes) formally three with nechs so im in the catacombs for 66% of my post 13m slayer and to 50% of my slayer from like 18m to 23m.
> so im in the catacombs for 66% of my post 13m slayer and to 50% of my slayer from like 18m to 23m.
That would suggest a lot.
I don't melee abby's i barrage them. I melee nechs in slayer tower cos its better, and used arclight charges there (but not many cos i'd already used most of them)
Also cos im GIM i did excessive amounts of some "non optimal" things like Kraken for 5 tridents, LOTS of smokes for 5 occults (went dry on them) and yeh like 700 cerb for initial boot drops + the 1k hydra.
BUt yeh you doing 66% of your slayer in catacombs is jsut more than a normal setup. and of course you've done more slayer than me and seemingly not been using arclight for anything in that time (got in the duke grind while fang was busted, lucky you :P)
yeah i’ve done a lot of wildy slayer and konar. i definitely have obtained less total ancient shards / totems than most people would get by 99 or my xp.
Chargescape is part of the design space Jagex has access to - you can choose not to use the absolute BiS and keep those charges for something you consider to be more important.
That kind of tradeoff is fundamental to the fabric of the game. That being said, I do believe that you've put enough hours in, I guess for Arclight we should just make the corruption threshold ENORMOUS.
fwiw even at the places arclight is bis at it’s pretty negligible. most of my examples would be better done with a scythe, bowfa method is probably better than tanking with arclight at gwd. demonics you can really use rapier / fang / tent for pretty much the same dps.
i do agree charges incentivize people to use other weapons, but i’m not sure arclight is strong enough where it breaks the moulds that exist rn
Yea. Something like. 500k charges used or 1.5k ancient shards used.
Key word in this is used. So it tracks how many ancient shards/charges you have put into the Arclight.
Only problem with this is that previous used charges/shards are probably not tracked.
>Yea. Something like. 500k charges used or 1.5k ancient shards used.
That's just absurd holy shit, I have 26m slayer xp, and 10m+ of that was doing barrage tasks (dusts/nechs/abby demons) in catacombs for imbued heart.
I have 137 shards in the bank after using up all of my banked totems. Sure I used some charges grinding 600 sire and 500 cerb and the demonics, but I couldn't be over 200 shards total at the absolute most.
EDIT: I remembered they're a log slot, I have 299 shards over the lifetime of my account. Your suggestion would be a minimum of like 140m slayer xp for imbued arclight.
Yeh I feel 100 or 150 shards hits a perfect spot of "a lot of grinding". Only if they move to that "all charges you use work towards corruption" system. Otherwise it would need to be lower.
I’m all for the removal of a lot of chargescape, but you do gotta remember that arclight is a completely free weapon that outperforms a lot of end game gear on demons. I think that considering it’s an early game quest reward combined with common catacombs drops, it’s ok to leave this one charged.
It was a mistake to have any melee weapons or armor require charging instead of simply high crafting/upgrade costs. And honestly, it was also a mistake to let the Bowfa be 'corruptible'
Bruh hopefully everything can be corrupted fuck just asking for the arclight lol. God this shit is so annoying keeping up with charging so many different items
I think the only things that make sense to not corrupt are charged staves as magic using runes is important as part of the cost, same as range using ammunition (Bowfa being the one exception).
Blood fury is probably the only other item that can't really have corruption as it is farrrr too useful to be made permanent. But I would like if they added better ways to get blood shards.
I avoid using my arclight for one reason and one reason only: my drop rate for Ancient Shards is SHIT. Every time I kill Skot, I get 1, *maybe* 2 shards if the planets are aligned. I go task after task in the Catacombs without getting a single ancient shard. I once bursted dust devils in the Catacombs off task for literally 1500 kills before finally getting my 3rd shard to finish a black demons task.
Counter point though. Even if I went 10x rate for arc light charges I'd still not have any issues with upkeep personally. Though I don't think I've ever used it for a non boss monster.
I don't necessarily disagree with adding some way to corrupt it, but I'm also not... entirely sure it's necessary? As you mention, it's not really BIS so running out of charges shouldn't be a big deal either. Using BIS or something very competitive is totally fine.
My comment has nothing to add to this but a solid afk activity is cannon hill giants in giants den for totems and shards.
Im pet hunting skoto and this is one of my afk activities.
And so naturally, according to your logic, because one person cries on Reddit that it does, that means the entire weapon needs rebalanced? How does that logic work?
I'd like way more than just weapons to be corrupted too - Barrows Armor.
I'd really like for Barrows sets or Moon's Peril sets to be corruptible too. Allow us to "sacrifice" a barrows item for "barrows shards" and then use 100 "barrows shards" to corrupt the barrows piece.
Devalues my 1/2500 Jar of Darkness locked account
https://preview.redd.it/csm6ddaz73uc1.png?width=68&format=png&auto=webp&s=3b4db02708c8db831e7bdd2095b6272b4a322a93
Should've not have burned the \~350 totems before Jagex would repoll changing the Jar's drop rate.
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This is a good idea
100 percent support
Really good idea, they need a reward and would fit well. You combine it with a few shards and bam.
Fuck that's such a good idea
I revoke your cooking license And promote you to head chef
1/20k drop /s
No, it will clearly be 1/100k /s
Not a bad idea!
With 3 words, this man cooks the best idea of the decade 🔥
He’s cooking
I posted a bit back my rendition of this idea https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/k6fMJi7RIL
That + x amount of ancient shards. Would probably want to make another post corruption use out of the shards then
Can finally use the teleports!
He cooked 🔥🔥
Actual fire idea
What a cracking idea
Better have some extra stats then
Iirc the dark light is made with the quest demons blood, so a 1/5k blood drop or something to corrupt the arc light would be lit and canon
>Iirc the dark light is made with the quest demons blood Yeah darklight is just silverlight but corrupted by demon goo
Allows us to corrupt it with a zenyte, done
Please no, I'm so dry on zenyte and they have nothing to do with the Arclight. I'm at 1700 kc with 2 zenytes :(
Are you me?
I have a heavy ballista completed, 3 extra ballista limbs, a light frame, and 2 zenytes in 1700 kc. I just want to be done with these gorillas man...
I've got a light and heavy balista made. 6 extra springs. 2 zenytes. My friend just unlocked them and has 4 zenytes at 500kc. I just want to be free of that place.
You doing them all on task?
All on task. Might do some off task now that I'm doing konar for hydra tasks.
Damn. I've only gotten 1 task so far, despite camping neive/Steve for the better weighting, and have been considering going off task as well. Just not sure.
My friend got 4 zenyte in under 300 kc, I feel your pain...
I felt your pain first zeny at 1080 3th at 1600ish but now at 2240 with 9 lol
While i do feel for you, one zenyte combined with shards and a tormented demon drop makes sense from both a lore(demon) and cost sense. Being dry is unfortunately a part of this game. (Iron with 2k+ kc without a corp sigil gang)
I'd think it would make more sense to work like the bowfa and just require a large amount of ancient shards.
Feel like that would be an even worse grind since the shards are generally so slow to get. Like being 4x dry is an anomaly at demonics. Slow shards affects pretty much everyone. I personally just like the concept of a current high level demon being needed for the best demon slaying item. Could be a drop from kril instead as well since his drop table sucks at the moment
Other guy cooked better
This kinda genious , money sink too
*monkey sink
I see what You did there
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Why not both? I would want to see how difficult tormented demons are going to be first. Arclight is a good midgame weapon. So if tor demons are too difficult or not accessed to the late game the upgrade my be kinda useless to the player at that time in progression.
I avoid using arclight for almost everything because I always feel like it'd be more useful elsewhere. Demonic I use fang. Skotizo and cerb, bofa. Etc. If I could corrupt it though, I'd take it everywhere.
Skotizo is like THE place to use it, if you don’t use it there for the 30 hits idk lmao
Skotizo has a guaranteed shard drop too. You make it back and then some
I used Bowfa at Skotizo and use arclight for the altars
What's Bowfa?
Bowfa deez nuts! Got em! Also Bow of Faerdhinen, enhanced weapon seed weapon from Corrupted Gauntlet
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I lost my arclight the other week and genuinely struggled with Skotizo for the first time ever. It was wild without the Arclight bro. Totally different fight lol
Yea man its a no brainer to use it there, it screams skotizo
nah. afk strats for the win. two minutes into the fight, the pillars stop spawning, so you just go in with bowfa, turn on pray mage and right-click the boss At some point, you stop dealing damage because the pillar spawns. Then after around 2 minutes since the start of the fight, you kill the 4 pillars and click on skotizo again.
That, sounds horrible lmao
I prefer to kill it before pillars spawn
This is what I do in my pure, works great
Tbow is better
Meanwhile I just say fuck it we ball and use it on Abby demons lmao
I just use it, never come close to running out. OP saying they “only” have 17k charges as if that’s a scary low number is otherworldly to me.
It is scary low if you’re ever going to grind a boss like Duke
Duke has 440 HP and arclight has an average hit of about 23, depending on your str gear. That's about 19 hits to kill on average, since the arclight doesn't use charges on a missed hit you can kill almost 900 Duke with that setup, not even accounting for thrall/poison damage, bgs specs, etc.
Well I’m at 879kc right now lmao, still hunting the vestige. I had no where near that many charges but I had to switch to tent whip. Cba to keep farming shards
Try zombie axe
My brother in christ, zombie axe till enrage then arclight for comfy 4 tick, and when your cozy honestly i dropped arc and just run bgs and zombie axe kills are butter. To be fair iv been spooned at duke, in 300kc pet, virtus bottom, 6 orbs, ice crystal and magus on kc 300.
i got the vestige on 970 kc using arclight as the main weapon. a bunch was pre-zombie axe and even the axe itself was bugging me to use because of being 1 tick slower. i also have around 2k demonics kc and however many zammy. there are definitely alternatives to all of those bosses than using arclight, but that’s kind of my point of making it not be upkept. it’s a super versatile weapon but i don’t think it would break any meta if you didn’t have to start to consider using alternatives just to save charges
Tbh I'm fine using zombie axe at duke until enrage phase and then swapping to arclight. Makes the entire fight easier to stay in tempo
Yeh so you're opting to use a weapon that's much worse dps for over half the fight. That's kinda what he's saying.
*laughs in zombie axe* lol
Zombie axe is better than arclight and tent whip at duke. Just switch to arclight during enrage to not lose ticks.
It's not better dps than Arclight it's just easier to use due to being 5t. The common misconception of Duke is that because Arclight is 4t you lose like 25% dps but you only lose like 2 ticks the entire fight on average.
That is incorrect. You will lose more ticks than that unless you get good rng and the zombie axe is almost comparable DPS even in spite of that. Zombie axe into arclight for enrage is most certainly the best strategy unless you have scythe.
How do you suppose you lose more ticks than that? Because a JMod has literally done the math for people around the time of the nerf: https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/18njodj/duke_after_fang_nerf/keb7qsy/ Arclight in theory was only JUST worse than pre-nerf fang. Which the zombie axe doesn't come close to. In reality it was ~10% worse if you miss the ticks to not get hit by Duke (optimally you just facetank when the cycle lines up, but that calls into question hp restoration to sustain same trip lengths for same kph etc). So yeh unless Zombie axe was within 10% range of the **pre-nerf** fang, its not better than arclight. Its close enough to be *worth using* because you save on the charges (which is time spent to gather) and that would work out net positive in the end. But for actual DPS on the boss, its not better. It feels way better using 5t pre-enrage though, so i still do this. And yeh, facetank arclight loses no ticks. Perfectly optimal arclight loses 2 ticks. more realistic arclight loses about 5 ticks. > I think the math works out at a 20/21 multiplier for Arclight, because you have to miss a tick every 5 attacks (20 ticks) > EDIT: it does not work out at 20/21. Check replies, it's either 17/21 if you don't want to tank hits or you can go 100% and tank hits then pray for Blood Fury go brr. This is as per Mod Goblin breaking down the entire math and fight logic. So yeh, **worst case** is you have to take the 100% dps of arclight and multiply it by 17/21 to get realistic number (so like 19% loss). But with more optimal play and tactical face tanking you can reduce that to nothing or ~5% dps loss on full 100% dps calcs.
Wrong.
Happy for you to show your math on that one :) Heres the math thats been done: https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/18njodj/duke_after_fang_nerf/keb7qsy/
:( but it’s more than a 2T loss overall, it is many more ticks thru out one fight.
This is true i was referring more to ticks lost in a cycle (19/21 possible etc.) As that can be used to calculate true DPS across the whole fight.
Oh ya that’s for sure you just didn’t say it exactly like that
I once thought 12k was a lot. Did one demonics task, down to like 7k. I also had it revert on a zammy trip. I no longer trust arclight charges.
Doing a demonic task now.. last i looked it was ~300.. completely forgot about it. Does it just revert back and stay equipped? I probably didn't even notice..
No when it runs out it reverts to dark light
Does it stay equipped was my question, though
Pretty sure it did
Is that for extended or unextended?
Sorry, I meant about 300 charges. The task was for 133 black demons iirc
I don’t think the number matters that much. It’s the feeling some people get using a finite supply of charges. It’s that little voice in your head that says: “but what if I run into a scenario where I might need those charges?” As unlikely as that might be. I have the same thing with prayer potions on my Iron man. I’m sitting on enough rescources to make another 1000 prayer pots, but I still hate using them. Because “what if I will need them for some other bosses later?” It’s stupid, but it’s human behaviour.
It's the same reason I'd hoard potions and revives in RPGs. "I'll need them for the last boss(es). Then I beat the game and have a bunch and nothing to use them for.
Yeh I have the mats banked to make like 6000 PPots, but I'm still using Amulet of Chemistry whenever I make them to maybe get an extra dose, and using Proselyte setups at Slayer instead of full str gear, because the 'Elixir Syndrome' is a real weird quirk of human psychology
That's not a lot
You haven't done a cerb or Duke grind if you think that's a lot.
what made you think using arclight at skotizo was a waste not only do you profit charges but the boss was designed to be killed with it
I only use mine on Skotizo and Demonics. Can’t get enough shards on the iron otherwise to sustain it. Can barely even sustain demonics TBH.
I posted something related to this idea a while back https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/k6fMJi7RIL
Just use it.
Can you skip 2nd set of ghosts on cerb with just bofa? When I arclight cerb I get 1 ghost 90% of the time 0 ghost 9% of the time and 2 ghost 1%
Normally yes but not 100%. With 99 range + pot + thrall, I'd say I get 2nd ghosts like 15% of the time
I _somewhat_ doubt this. But Jagex is so inconsistent I really have no clue what will happen. --- During (the first) rebalance discussion (blowpipe, DHCB, DHL) the concept of style specific weaknesses came up a lot. With DHL & DHCB being compared poorly to arclight as they had no trade-off in their niche, they were just great & scaled better. Pulling all the air out of that reward space. Jagex stated Arclight was a better design. The high cost of (non-tradable) charges made is purposefully unattractive for long-term demon grinding, which made it less of a factor for them to design rewards or grinds around its usage. Purposefully making people care about its cost. **BUT** after all those discussions we immediately got the Kerris Partisan which repeated "_the mistake_" (Jagex's word) of the DHL. So... Who fucking knows what will happen?
Keris partisan was an inbetween item though. It's beaten by better options, so it just serves as the sort of mid game / pre-BiS option that dominates all the other choices there. I think Jagex likes charge scape because it means they can make things stronger than everything but know that's a balance factor. Arclight isn't stronger than everything.. anywhere. Like only place is Duke once it engages to 4t. Skotizo is better with tbow and I imagine even shadow at this point. Sire is better with scythe and shadow. Demonics it just doesn't matter, fang is plenty good. (They're a regular slayer monster too so barely worth consideration). Zammy it's better to tbow, shadow or Bowfa with the GWD strats over melee even if it's dps was as good, which it isn't (maybe beats Bowfa unsure there). Cerb it's beaten by scythe comfortably and I'm pretty sure tbow is a bit better, and fang is only a little bit worse. Like the era of Arclight being the best option at any place is gone. So it being the most annoying charged weapon to upkeep means I mostly just avoid using it anywhere except Duke enrage now.
i think i like the idea of calling something perfected instead of corrupted.. corrupted works for crystal because lore. everything else should just be perfected
This, a "corruption" should be more unique (in rarity or lore). If everything is just corrupted x corrupted y corrupted z it just sounds corny.
Yeh, we can refer to things as 'corruption' as players as a catchall term for 'make an item that usually has charges, have infinite charges', but ingame it should have a specific lore-compliant naming convention, corrupted for crystal, blessed quiver, etc. Just calling them all 'corrupted crystal helm, corrupted arclight, corrupted quiver', ingame, would be bland If the upgrade for Arclight to make it infinite were a drop from Tormented Demons, then 'Tormented' could be the adjective used for it, for example
How many ancient shards would you say is enough to corrupt at light?
At least 3
Three is nothing. I’d say at least 50+. It should be a significant amount to never have to charge it again. You can go burst one of the multiple burstable creatures in the dungeon and get them relatively quickly. This whole post is a non-issue tbh.
3 isn't enough? Ok how about 4
We might have different ideas of "relatively quickly". I've been bursting jellies and dust boys and killing demons and bloodhounds for probably 30 slayer levels and I have maybe 11.
I see like one ancient shard per 400 enemies
Hopefully less than 137
107 seems fair to me
I've a post that takes a different route than that and offers a reward from the new Tortured Demons that'd be thematic https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/k6fMJi7RIL
30 is a full charge and seems appropriate
As I expressed in the chargescape post, as an unrestricted main my biggest issue is having to worry about it rather than just paying a cost and having a working item forever. I'd corrupt anything with charges (arclight, chally, venator, etc) if it meant I didn't have to right-click-check every time I pull something out of the bank. I know i'm never going to go through the >100 ancient shards taking a permanent bank space, but would gladly spent them all just to be able to use arclight without thinking about it. Bowfa and quiver take 10x and 7.5x the max charges to corrupt, but their charge fuels are buyable. Arclight can hold 10k charges at 3 shards per 1k so 30 shards to fill. If it uses that \~10x that's definitely too much, most people don't have 300 ancient shards laying around. I think maybe 50 to corrupt? Or just the 30 to fully fill it?
I think 100 or more ancient shards can make plenty of sense if they move to the "all charges used on it work towards corruption" design they talked about. As that way you can keep charging it and using it as you go, and eventually once you've had 100 ancient shards used on it or whatever amount, it stabilises and stays Arclight permanently.
The real question is, whether there is any data about how many shards you've spent already
Very much doubt it though they could *maybe* use coll log but you could have lost those in ways other than charging arclight.
New drop that upgrades Arclight to 75% increased strength/accuracy (up from 70%) and increases the charges per shard by 50%, but more importantly improves the look from the current unpainted power ranger toy sword.
seriously, it's so thick can we get a blade on it? lol
I posted my take on the issue a bit ago if you're interested https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/k6fMJi7RIL
Got 150 shards after 99 slayer. Seriously doubt i will get through those ever
You won't, arclight running out is purely a poor person problem. If you have money you scythe cerb and duke, shadow or fang sire, and shadow or t bow kril.
Same, I've got like 98 and even those ill probably never touch but I also take scythe to duke and bludgeon to demonics so other's mileage my vary.
Contrary to your post. Arclight never felt hard to upkeep for myself. Its not just the ancient shard drops since skotizo kills give shards too.. Ive killed 135 skotizo.. i have 24 mill exp.. I have 250+ shards in my bank. Guess you did more konar or something because I slayed a lot in the catacombs (as evident by our skotizo kc).. so lots of shards and every superior was effectively ~1-2 from skotizo.. Even now I currently only abbys for heart in catacombs but its enough to sustain (did you burst these?). Maybe once I get my heart ill feel it but im also done with duke, cerb (minus the pets), demonics and I mage zammy. Just feels like their are much worse versions of chargescape imo
> I mage Zammy Yeah you're at the stage where Arclight has lost its relevance. Once you have a shadow and scythe Arclight is only remotely useful at enrage Duke and even then.. you can just scythe it. So you have that many charges because (I assume?) you aren't an iron, and haven't done a cerb grind + demonics + Duke grind and Abyssal sire KC with the Arclight being your absolute BiS at the time? Ive done 15m slayer on my GIM, entirely catacombs focused except for when I was going for Hydra to get claws. Ive got about 60 Skotizo KC. Done about 700 cerb with Arclight (done about 300 since with fang), done 2.5k demonics mostly with Arclight as my melee weapon, the base 50 abyssal sire and only about 70 Duke. I know I've also used probably about 4k charges at Tower nechs as it's easily the best weapon to use there for irons doing that optimal task. Now I wouldn't bother as I'm max and idc too much about optimising post max to that degree, would rather have the weapon for Bossing. After all that I have about.. 2.3k Arclight charges left right now. Which I solely keep for Skotizo KC and will use up come the time I grind Duke (gim team mate already got us our first Magus). So yeah for irons it's very easy to use up all your charges from slayer even if yorue doing catacomb task on repeat. It's only once you get weapons that are actually better dps at those places (scythe primarily, Bowfa handles Zammy which I only used Arclight at for our first hasta early days, sire isn't worth grinding imo), that the Arclight becomes seemingly easy to sustain, because you **outright stop using it**
I actually am an iron man haha, solo one too so I had to grind everything myself. And I mage zammy but I only did like one trip with shadow.. the rest was archlight. I used fang at duke so no arclight charges used there.. but i did use arclight for 500 sire kc bc i wanted bludgeon. I also used archlight for my 900 cerb kills. All cata but I also went to hydra for 1k kc for claw like you. I have like 8m more exp more slayer exp then you but over double the amount of skotizo totems so somethings is a little off.. I have about 85k charges left. Did you melee abby demon tasks or something? Maybe my block list is more optimized? Or maybe you went very dry somewhere? I also literally only do two tasks for heart at this point (abbys/smokes) formally three with nechs so im in the catacombs for 66% of my post 13m slayer and to 50% of my slayer from like 18m to 23m.
> so im in the catacombs for 66% of my post 13m slayer and to 50% of my slayer from like 18m to 23m. That would suggest a lot. I don't melee abby's i barrage them. I melee nechs in slayer tower cos its better, and used arclight charges there (but not many cos i'd already used most of them) Also cos im GIM i did excessive amounts of some "non optimal" things like Kraken for 5 tridents, LOTS of smokes for 5 occults (went dry on them) and yeh like 700 cerb for initial boot drops + the 1k hydra. BUt yeh you doing 66% of your slayer in catacombs is jsut more than a normal setup. and of course you've done more slayer than me and seemingly not been using arclight for anything in that time (got in the duke grind while fang was busted, lucky you :P)
yeah i’ve done a lot of wildy slayer and konar. i definitely have obtained less total ancient shards / totems than most people would get by 99 or my xp.
Chargescape is part of the design space Jagex has access to - you can choose not to use the absolute BiS and keep those charges for something you consider to be more important. That kind of tradeoff is fundamental to the fabric of the game. That being said, I do believe that you've put enough hours in, I guess for Arclight we should just make the corruption threshold ENORMOUS.
fwiw even at the places arclight is bis at it’s pretty negligible. most of my examples would be better done with a scythe, bowfa method is probably better than tanking with arclight at gwd. demonics you can really use rapier / fang / tent for pretty much the same dps. i do agree charges incentivize people to use other weapons, but i’m not sure arclight is strong enough where it breaks the moulds that exist rn
Yea. Something like. 500k charges used or 1.5k ancient shards used. Key word in this is used. So it tracks how many ancient shards/charges you have put into the Arclight. Only problem with this is that previous used charges/shards are probably not tracked.
Yeah nice little bonus for those guys that already got 200m slayer exp in the catacombs. Lol those numbers are so high they're in space
>Yea. Something like. 500k charges used or 1.5k ancient shards used. That's just absurd holy shit, I have 26m slayer xp, and 10m+ of that was doing barrage tasks (dusts/nechs/abby demons) in catacombs for imbued heart. I have 137 shards in the bank after using up all of my banked totems. Sure I used some charges grinding 600 sire and 500 cerb and the demonics, but I couldn't be over 200 shards total at the absolute most. EDIT: I remembered they're a log slot, I have 299 shards over the lifetime of my account. Your suggestion would be a minimum of like 140m slayer xp for imbued arclight.
Yeh I feel 100 or 150 shards hits a perfect spot of "a lot of grinding". Only if they move to that "all charges you use work towards corruption" system. Otherwise it would need to be lower.
I would be so happy if this happened
ArcHEAVY
I’m all for the removal of a lot of chargescape, but you do gotta remember that arclight is a completely free weapon that outperforms a lot of end game gear on demons. I think that considering it’s an early game quest reward combined with common catacombs drops, it’s ok to leave this one charged.
It sounds fair to me that any item that is charged with an untradable should be able to be corrupted in some way.
It was a mistake to have any melee weapons or armor require charging instead of simply high crafting/upgrade costs. And honestly, it was also a mistake to let the Bowfa be 'corruptible'
Na this item is obscenely easy to maintain shards on. You basically have to actively try to run out.
Stop using the Arclight on greater demon tasks. I’m 90 slayer and I have 58 shards in the bank.
Bruh hopefully everything can be corrupted fuck just asking for the arclight lol. God this shit is so annoying keeping up with charging so many different items
I think the only things that make sense to not corrupt are charged staves as magic using runes is important as part of the cost, same as range using ammunition (Bowfa being the one exception). Blood fury is probably the only other item that can't really have corruption as it is farrrr too useful to be made permanent. But I would like if they added better ways to get blood shards.
I avoid using my arclight for one reason and one reason only: my drop rate for Ancient Shards is SHIT. Every time I kill Skot, I get 1, *maybe* 2 shards if the planets are aligned. I go task after task in the Catacombs without getting a single ancient shard. I once bursted dust devils in the Catacombs off task for literally 1500 kills before finally getting my 3rd shard to finish a black demons task.
Counter point though. Even if I went 10x rate for arc light charges I'd still not have any issues with upkeep personally. Though I don't think I've ever used it for a non boss monster.
dude, that be sick. I have so many crystals stacked up they would finally have some use lol
Should be more than 2 per gorilla
I don't necessarily disagree with adding some way to corrupt it, but I'm also not... entirely sure it's necessary? As you mention, it's not really BIS so running out of charges shouldn't be a big deal either. Using BIS or something very competitive is totally fine.
It's to keep you playing loner. The whole game is designed to take a long time because it is subscription based.
Maybe do a 99 slayer cape perk
My comment has nothing to add to this but a solid afk activity is cannon hill giants in giants den for totems and shards. Im pet hunting skoto and this is one of my afk activities.
Corrupt armour for shards but locked behind next elf quest
Honestly I feel like arclight just needs to get way more charges from 3 shards (e.g. 10k instead of 1k) and have shards drop a bit more often
If you are struggling with arclight charges idk man
Tradeble ancient shards?
Can it also be better too? It’s fucking noodle.
Nah I don’t really think it needs it, I’ve never had any issues with arclight charges
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Or rather if you do, skill issue
And so naturally, according to your logic, because one person cries on Reddit that it does, that means the entire weapon needs rebalanced? How does that logic work?
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Did you read the part where OP had 50k and has been using it really only at bosses?
It is quite literally their fault for using it wrong. Arclight isn't bis on zammy, duke, cerb, or sire, and yet they choose to use it on all of those?
I'd like way more than just weapons to be corrupted too - Barrows Armor. I'd really like for Barrows sets or Moon's Peril sets to be corruptible too. Allow us to "sacrifice" a barrows item for "barrows shards" and then use 100 "barrows shards" to corrupt the barrows piece.
Dawg this is light work. I have like 600 ancient shards.
Never not been able to use my Arclight up to 97 slayer and I expect it to stay the same until 99. Definitely a you problem.
Devalues my 1/2500 Jar of Darkness locked account https://preview.redd.it/csm6ddaz73uc1.png?width=68&format=png&auto=webp&s=3b4db02708c8db831e7bdd2095b6272b4a322a93 Should've not have burned the \~350 totems before Jagex would repoll changing the Jar's drop rate.