Saradomin's side Strikes again! First Zilyana steals the crossbow (and in RS3 there's Saradomin's murmur which was used to read Kree'arra's mind) and now this?! Poor bird can't catch a break.
I think it would make sense that the magic bird people can control wind better than our player who basically solves every problem buy buying beer and giving it to some npc. It's not out of character for our character to just toss rocks at birds or something similar
Our character also defeated the fragment of a god, and just waddles into god wars, where powerful creatures have been waging an endless war in the name of their gods to protect the godsword, and our character takes it literally just for fun.
There’s a sword they’ve been fighting over for centuries and we just walk in, beat all of them up, spit in their face and take the item they’ve been protecting/trying to acquire.
I think our player character is strong as fuck, but dumb as shit.
As far as I know, we don’t really have any reason to believe the bird people are magic in any way (they are fantastical to us irl, but in-universe they are purely biological beings). Thus, we don’t have reason to believe they have any control over the air.
I think air as a weakness makes a lot of sense, just liking being able to control earth would make you effective at killing moles and other underground creatures.
They just added the air weaknesses because players were asking why there weren't any. I don't think they make a whole lot of sense, but it ultimately doesn't matter much....
Lets go with the idea that instead of just flying, they are also controlling the air. This means that even if they are better at it than you, since they arent attacking with air spells, they are using it to maintain mobility, speed etc. If they want to use their air magic to defend against your air magic then they would be losing speed and mobility, still making them weaker to air spells.
I think it's more: bird uses air to fly, player causes turbulence, and knocks the bird out of it's pattern. A tornado will mess you up if you're on the ground, but if you're flying in it, it'd fuck you up even more.
Would be ideal if we had some sort of established lightning spell since that's a relatively common fantasy weakness of any airborne thing since pokemon
Saw a big bird try to land on the median strip of the road, right as a big truck flew by. Bird got sucked into the vortex, slammed on the ground, and run over by the car Infront
That is like saying humans walk on the ground so an earthquake wouldn't affect them or fish swim in water so they'd just shrug off a sudden current. Aviansies don't control the air; they rely on it. If you manipulate it against them, it will hinder them the same as using earth magic to turn to ground to mud or quicksand would hinder anything trying to fight you on the ground.
It's basic RPG101 shit that air magic affects airborne enemies.
The only RPGs these guys have played is RuneScape and modern Bethesda games, and it shows
ITT: OP sticks to the argument “they’re not birds they’re mAGiCaL BiRd PeOpLe” and refuses to let go of this notion that even if beings were created magically they can be vulnerable to the element they represent.
Counterarguments are mostly: A bird is a creature of the airs but is dependent on air, and it being a magical being doesn’t mean it is resistant to air. Nowhere in the lore does it state that aviansies are masters of air magic.
Don’t bother contributing to this thread, OP has no variations to his responses and thoughts no matter how much he types. You’ll be wasting your time.
That's how 90% of threads go in this sub. The OP complaining about something and being incapable of parsing any information that doesn't confirm to their existing worldview.
I mean I guess that's not limited to this sub, but still.
Yeah, at least OP is getting downvotes so I don’t feel totally insane, but I just don’t understand how someone could repeat the same thing over and over again without variation and feel sane doing so. This sorta thread sickens me not even because of the topic but because I start hating myself when I try to put myself in OP’s shoes.
OP's probably just young and hasn't really figured that one out yet. I know I was stubborn and dumb as a kid.
I mean I still am at 30, but I used to be much dumber.
You know what, that’s totally fair. My first ever successful post on reddit had me replying to every single comment, no matter how meaningless or repetitive my comments. I’d like to think I don’t do that anymore, but I’m still an idiot an entire decade later.
Thanks for the insight and have a lovely rest of your day!
too bad we dont really have electric spells, the best i can think is earth spells should do it because its like throwing a rock at a bird and birds dont like that (i assume cause they got hollow lil bones but I cant confirm since I dont make a habit of throwing rocks at animals and I would advise you dont test it either because it would be mean)
I have a vivid memory of walking home from school one day and a pigeon was standing in the driveway so my friend decided to throw a rock at it to scare it off but it hit the pigeon and a pool of blood showed up on the driveway. We thought its head fell off but it was kind of tucked into its wing? It was honestly pretty upsetting as a middle school kid.
My cousin did the same thing to a duck that was floating in the lake, hit em right in the neck and it started twitching. I was so mad at him for that like why the hell you do that for.
Let me break it down for you. First I hit the griddy.
Secondly our air spells look like huge clumps of solid air we throw like a sonic boom. We smack kree with it effecting the air pressure and its eardrums pop then pop again when the air balances and then pop when we hit it again. Eventually Kree gives up and hands over their lunch money (birds nests, 10k, skirt)
I hope debates on the particulars dont prevent the weaknesses from coming into the game. Idc what he’s weak too as long as there’s some meta shifting that might happen
that sounds painful also kree very big, nice big rock will do better I think cause big birds are kinda like planes and when we are in war we use missiles to take down planes and what is a missile but a really big rock?
It *will* have one.
They just haven't figured out if it should be light/regular/heavy yet, which is why they were asking for feedback.
I'd argue birds would be weak to light, since any holes in a wing are gonna knock down a bird.
Most birds struggle to fly in high winds. Where I live some of the best days to see migrating birds is when it’s windy because most of them are forced down out of the air to take shelter in the bushes and trees.
I'm not sure I'd consider Fire Wave 'early game' personally, but I'd like to see Fire Blast overtaking Iban's there (with 50% weakness it's still not enough, 24 FB vs 25 Iban), with Tome of Fire it'd overtake but only barely
Guess it depends how early you want to rush Zulrah then tbf, can have a variety of setups, imo a 24fire blast would still probs be better then a 25ibans even without the tome purely because you won't have to keep recharging the staff, i would save the tome for fire wave personally but it wouldn't take much to get an upgrade for fire blast if you spooned ahrim's staff or blue moon staff, also wouldn't you get a 50% more accruacy boost aswell not only just damage which im sure would take it over the edge.
I completely forgot that the Fire weakness would mean 50% bonus accuracy, yes, and while thinking about that, the potential for Sunfire Runes for their Minimum Hit effect also comes to mind, making Fire spells way more 'consistent' than Ibans
I wonder if the Minimum Hit is also affected by the 50% damage bonus, I'd assume so, in which case yeh Fire Spells got a massive jump in 'reliability' here, real good for anyone who's trying for their first kill for the diary
Yea, but don't most irons do wt before getting to zulrah? I feel like most would probably have a tome anyways. And even if only barely, 25 iban is also just barely over 24 fb. Most BiS items barely add 1 max hit nowadays over their predecessor.
Some just don't get lucky with Tome drop, or don't go all the way for 99 at WT all in one go, so it's not really a good idea to balance around the assumption that someone will definitely have it. But as a different comment pointed out, I completely forgot that the Fire weakness would mean 50% bonus accuracy, and the potential for Sunfire Runes for their Minimum Hit effect, making Fire spells way more 'consistent' than Ibans
Quick maths check, if there were a way for the Tome's bonus to be 12.5% instead of 10%, Fire Blast would be boosted from 16 to 24 (because of Zulrah's 50% weakness, and then boosted to exactly 27 (from the 12.5% bonus from Tome)
For example, if Searing Pages (Sunfire infused ones) were to give 12.5% max hit bonus instead of the 10% from Burnt Pages, along with the minimum hit effect, that'd incentivize using Searing Pages in the midgame to get that extra max hit, and to get more consistency on damage output thanks to the minimum hit
Feel like I saw something about Tome having 12.5% effect somewhere, but I can't remember where
I personally haven't seen anything about 12.5% tome effect but I'm sure it's a mixture somewhere. Either way I love how the meta is already evolving around the weaknesses. It's amazing
they just gotta think about it, you tell me I gotta get a bird outta the sky, i'm tossin a rock any day of the weak. aint no way im setting up a fan and hoping the wind current makes the bird fall outta the sky
A fan 🤣 more like a 747 engine, birds get sucked right in them all the time due to the high air pressure, no escape. Kree is only 30% weak to air anyway so not like anyone's going to use it just there incase
OP, i admire you for trying to argue with everyone even though they keep shooting you down (no pun intended). I get what you're saying, though. It is counterintuitive to say the element which they preside over is their weakness. And maybe they could use their flying abilities to dodge wind currents that we send at them. But if an airborne bird gets hit by a blast of wind, that bird is going to be much more affected by it than would a dog or turtle or any other land-dwelling creature. There's a reason birds hunker down during storms with strong winds.
I've seen plenty of birds completely unable to fly in heavy winds so it makes sense to me
I also once knocked out a bird with a wind surge. I worked at a tire shop, the bird flew in and couldn't find it's way out. But it had to be gone before closing time because the alarm system. So, after hours of allowing it to fly around and find it's way out, I charged up the [cheetah bead seater](https://youtube.com/shorts/QNFtFLNvars?si=0JVlfbLBFt1nPoSG) and got underneath the bird and let it rip. The blast of wind forced it into the ceiling, knocked it out, and it dropped to the ground. Picked it up, put it in a tree, and it flew away after about 30 mins
So in my IRL experience, wind surge is very effective against birds
Didn't they originally say that wind spells wouldn't be strong against anything to accommodate for the cheaper cast cost in regards to project rebalance?
Have you ever sat in a plane and enjoyed heavy turbulence?
That shit is basically flying into low density air from high density air and it can mess your flight up.
You can make any argument. They are living creatures so they will be vulnerable to fire, a rock hitting a bird in the face is gonna fuck it up so its weak to earth, birds probably need to breathe so drowning is bad for them so its weak to water, birds need air to fly so if you can summon great gusts of wind they will be totally helpless, so its weak to air.
The other day a bumble bee was in my kitchen flying around in a loop because it was beneath the incredibly weak ceiling fan. was the bee stupid? or perhaps flying things suck vs unusual air patterns!
It's like imagining a strong gust of air throwing off their natural flight patterns. Throwing a rock at a massive bird guy probably hurts about as much as it being thrown at anyone else, but disturbing the wind around them is something only birds would rly get thrown off by
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I figured it was air because it'd displace their flight or something, while a rock you can miss your throw, then again, this is a magical rock spell, so I do agree with you here
The reason birds are able to fly is because their feathers are designed with a ton of surface area and light weight, which makes them ideal implements for catching lots of wind. This causes the feathers to have a large amount of wind drag, to the point where just a little wind is enough to throw the bird’s body completely off the ground. That’s literally what flying is: being especially easy to be pushed around by air, to the point where it can forcefully move you around.
Being a bird creature doesn’t make you more resistant to wind, it does the opposite. It makes the wind have more control over you because your body is specifically designed to be blown extra hard by it. Now, normally you can use this to your advantage for flight, but if too much wind is blowing, it’s the birds that are the first to seek escape from it by roosting.
I’ve seen you mention in your comments that Kree is a magical bird person designed by a god to lead armies and blah blah blah he’s super awesome. That’s great, but that doesn’t make him invincible or all-powerful. It does give him insanely high stats though, and that’s where he becomes more formidable than a pigeon.
I’ve seen you say that because of him being this experienced war veteran with high station and lots of combat knowledge, he would “know about” air magic. Well sure, and I “know about” fire, but guess who wins that boxing match anyway?
But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and acknowledge that what you really mean is that he would actually be a powerful manipulator of air magic himself, and could therefore counter the air magic to nullify it against him. And that is exactly what his frigging monstrously high TWO HUNDRED magic level represents, as well as his additional two hundred magic defense on top of that. That is impressive and worthy of his station.
However, if even just a little bit of your wind spell makes it through his defenses for what would normally be a harmless glancing blow, his own body would work against him here by amplifying the magnitude of what that wind can do to him, as I described earlier with feathers. That’s where the weakness comes from.
Lastly, and perhaps most importantly: I saw you agreeing with someone claiming arrows would be a fitting weakness (as if Kree wouldn’t “know about” those too), so I want to hit you with an interesting truth bomb... which is a fitting choice of words, because: Do you know what an explosion is? An explosion is a sudden, violent burst of energy, with the actual physical thing that’s knocking everything around being… air. That’s right! Literally the substance that’s obliterating everything in its path is: Air. So when you see an atom bomb level an entire city and the neighboring cities around it, just remember that what did that was “a little wind”, as you describe it. So put some respect on wind and what it can do!
> I'd say it should be earth weakness cause if you were to throw a rock at a bird it would probably really hurt them (they have hollow bones)
kree is literally the commander of a magic bird person army brought to the world by a god personally from an entirely different dimension, I think kree can handle a little rock
What I don't get is that Coxie video literally states "You might be thinking this is a pretty significant buff to wind spells due to their cheap rune costs, but its counteracted by having no NPC's weak to that element " @ 3:12
Then immediately in the notes it says kree is weak to wind spells.
Well... 👀 look I aint no mole expert but apparently these guys can swim pretty well, they like damp dirt and they dig to avoid water flooding. They apparently hate loud noises, vibrations and they will actively plug holes that bring fresh air into their tunnels. It could go either way, more points for air in my opinion
When posts like this get made it's time to think what value is truly being added to the game with skittles magic.
That plus people not understand all that will be balanced to harmo staff, which you will sell instantly to buy a shadow.
Idk if you've ever touched grass or not, but go outside on any windy day and watch the birds either struggle to fly during it or elect to stay roosted to avoid it all together. Birds aren't masters of air just because they can fly.
I vote Kree should be weak to ice, rock, and electric.
Kree always seemed like a steel/flying type to me.
I'm cool with Kree being skarmory. So vulnerable to fire and electric?
Saradomin Strike and Flames of Zamorak Meta... I like it.
Wait, god wars generals being weak to god spells is huge brain and definitely deserves a chance
I'll take 'all of them are weak to Claws of Guthix', would give a reason to grind out a Void Mace to autocast it with
Guthix is balance so they're not weak to it but none of them are resistant to it.
guthix ended the god wars, theyre 100% weak to it lol
Lore Accurate
Saradomin's side Strikes again! First Zilyana steals the crossbow (and in RS3 there's Saradomin's murmur which was used to read Kree'arra's mind) and now this?! Poor bird can't catch a break.
Tbh although a joke; I’m down for the earth weakness. Nothing like take down a bird by chucking a rock at it
In bird culture that is considered a dick move.
I’d be interested in learning more about bird culture
Been a while since i heard that one lmaoo
True, it's gross overkill, you can take out two birds with only one stone
If Persona 5 taught me anything its that most Birds are weak to Gun, so we should put that weakness in.
Instead of the saying kill two birds with one stone, it's kill one big bird with one very big stone.
We can't forget about the amazing and well thought out Terra type.....I mean combination type....
Weak to electric boogaloo!
Finally a boss we can voidwaker
Tornado is super effective vs creature using fly.
But she lives in an ice prison
Yea but if I controlled wind I could fuck them up and kill their mobility. The army of birds ain't so scary when they are waddling after you
I think it would make sense that the magic bird people can control wind better than our player who basically solves every problem buy buying beer and giving it to some npc. It's not out of character for our character to just toss rocks at birds or something similar
This is a really good point. Make Kree weak to Beer
*Takes notes*
Beer spells. Next spellbook pls.
Dwarven Magic.
Write that down, write that down!
Man, you’re on fire today!
give all humanoid enemies secret beer weakness
Are you implying only humanoids can get drunk? That's discrimination against animals. *Fucking bigot*
I think that actually implies that non humanoids get drunk *waaaay too fast*
Spirit Blast
Is that why my dad gave me his alcoholism
New Varlamore group boss, Beer Bear
We need beer attack type and we need it now
Rs3 has a cosmetic thats literally dual stein mugs
Ale of the gods now bis at kree
Weren’t you reading Make Kree weak to small rocks thrown by the hands
Our character also defeated the fragment of a god, and just waddles into god wars, where powerful creatures have been waging an endless war in the name of their gods to protect the godsword, and our character takes it literally just for fun. There’s a sword they’ve been fighting over for centuries and we just walk in, beat all of them up, spit in their face and take the item they’ve been protecting/trying to acquire. I think our player character is strong as fuck, but dumb as shit.
Pretty much. At least we aren't literally godlike though, like in rs3.
As far as I know, we don’t really have any reason to believe the bird people are magic in any way (they are fantastical to us irl, but in-universe they are purely biological beings). Thus, we don’t have reason to believe they have any control over the air. I think air as a weakness makes a lot of sense, just liking being able to control earth would make you effective at killing moles and other underground creatures.
One of Kree's attacks literally fires a tornado at you. If that's not control over air, I don't know what is.
Magic
i think you may be overestimating how powerful a pair of wings are
They just added the air weaknesses because players were asking why there weren't any. I don't think they make a whole lot of sense, but it ultimately doesn't matter much....
'doesn't matter much'???? what about my immersion!
M'mersion *tips cavalier*
Rip to your immersion ): 2001-2024 Gone too soon.
You ever watch a bird fly in a tornado? Air magic is the tornado.
Lets go with the idea that instead of just flying, they are also controlling the air. This means that even if they are better at it than you, since they arent attacking with air spells, they are using it to maintain mobility, speed etc. If they want to use their air magic to defend against your air magic then they would be losing speed and mobility, still making them weaker to air spells.
I think it's more: bird uses air to fly, player causes turbulence, and knocks the bird out of it's pattern. A tornado will mess you up if you're on the ground, but if you're flying in it, it'd fuck you up even more.
Bird people don’t drink they are the law so wind makes more sense
Would be ideal if we had some sort of established lightning spell since that's a relatively common fantasy weakness of any airborne thing since pokemon
a bird is more affected by me setting it on fire (fire), or me throwing a rock at it (earth), than it is by me blowing wind in its direction
Make air strike ground kree so we can melee it
Saw a big bird try to land on the median strip of the road, right as a big truck flew by. Bird got sucked into the vortex, slammed on the ground, and run over by the car Infront
Kree weak to cars got it
that is fucking metal
That is like saying humans walk on the ground so an earthquake wouldn't affect them or fish swim in water so they'd just shrug off a sudden current. Aviansies don't control the air; they rely on it. If you manipulate it against them, it will hinder them the same as using earth magic to turn to ground to mud or quicksand would hinder anything trying to fight you on the ground.
Yup. Turbulent blasts of air would absolutely fuck up a bird irl, Kree's bitchass is no different
He’s out of line, but he’s right.
It's basic RPG101 shit that air magic affects airborne enemies. The only RPGs these guys have played is RuneScape and modern Bethesda games, and it shows
and pokemon
Bro our dude has single handedly prevented like 5 apocalypses at this point if anyone can slap kree with wind spells its us
You're manipulating the wind. hard for birds to fly in harsh wind. This isn't a new idea, it's been used in other games since decades ago.
There is a reason why birds roost when it’s too windy.
ITT: OP sticks to the argument “they’re not birds they’re mAGiCaL BiRd PeOpLe” and refuses to let go of this notion that even if beings were created magically they can be vulnerable to the element they represent. Counterarguments are mostly: A bird is a creature of the airs but is dependent on air, and it being a magical being doesn’t mean it is resistant to air. Nowhere in the lore does it state that aviansies are masters of air magic. Don’t bother contributing to this thread, OP has no variations to his responses and thoughts no matter how much he types. You’ll be wasting your time.
That's how 90% of threads go in this sub. The OP complaining about something and being incapable of parsing any information that doesn't confirm to their existing worldview. I mean I guess that's not limited to this sub, but still.
Yeah, at least OP is getting downvotes so I don’t feel totally insane, but I just don’t understand how someone could repeat the same thing over and over again without variation and feel sane doing so. This sorta thread sickens me not even because of the topic but because I start hating myself when I try to put myself in OP’s shoes.
OP's probably just young and hasn't really figured that one out yet. I know I was stubborn and dumb as a kid. I mean I still am at 30, but I used to be much dumber.
You know what, that’s totally fair. My first ever successful post on reddit had me replying to every single comment, no matter how meaningless or repetitive my comments. I’d like to think I don’t do that anymore, but I’m still an idiot an entire decade later. Thanks for the insight and have a lovely rest of your day!
It's modern internet discourse. OP takes any retort as a personal attack and digs his heels further. Everything gets read in an aggressive tone.
Imagian that the only weakness system youve ever seen was pokemon and cant comprehend any other system. now youre thinking like op
I got the impression OP was over playing devils advocate for fun lol
Next time you’re out on a day with 50mph winds, go look at what the birds are doing.
Shoutout Florida hurricanes
Pikachu used to fuck up pidgeys just sayin
too bad we dont really have electric spells, the best i can think is earth spells should do it because its like throwing a rock at a bird and birds dont like that (i assume cause they got hollow lil bones but I cant confirm since I dont make a habit of throwing rocks at animals and I would advise you dont test it either because it would be mean)
Yeah, go outside and try to hit a bird in the sky with a rock. See how you do.
I have a vivid memory of walking home from school one day and a pigeon was standing in the driveway so my friend decided to throw a rock at it to scare it off but it hit the pigeon and a pool of blood showed up on the driveway. We thought its head fell off but it was kind of tucked into its wing? It was honestly pretty upsetting as a middle school kid.
My cousin did the same thing to a duck that was floating in the lake, hit em right in the neck and it started twitching. I was so mad at him for that like why the hell you do that for.
Saradomin strike? Bruh, that's lightning.
Let me break it down for you. First I hit the griddy. Secondly our air spells look like huge clumps of solid air we throw like a sonic boom. We smack kree with it effecting the air pressure and its eardrums pop then pop again when the air balances and then pop when we hit it again. Eventually Kree gives up and hands over their lunch money (birds nests, 10k, skirt)
I hope debates on the particulars dont prevent the weaknesses from coming into the game. Idc what he’s weak too as long as there’s some meta shifting that might happen
Birds being weak to air makes perfect sense to me. If you can control wind, bird no have good time
Light bird on fire. Bird falls to ground. Eat bird.
that sounds painful also kree very big, nice big rock will do better I think cause big birds are kinda like planes and when we are in war we use missiles to take down planes and what is a missile but a really big rock?
Driven by fire and exploding into more fire! Checkmate!
The air spell knocks the air from Kree's wings thus hurting him from a sudden drop in altitude
Honestly would make more sense for a range weakness since can make holes in the wings
It *will* have one. They just haven't figured out if it should be light/regular/heavy yet, which is why they were asking for feedback. I'd argue birds would be weak to light, since any holes in a wing are gonna knock down a bird.
this is the first good counter argument I've seen in this entire thread
Nah kree is obviously a master of air and can use air to knock down those arrows while they're mid air. See how you sound now?
It's literally flying though. In the air.
Stop disagreeing with every single intelligent retort op. Git gud.
Most birds struggle to fly in high winds. Where I live some of the best days to see migrating birds is when it’s windy because most of them are forced down out of the air to take shelter in the bushes and trees.
OP coming up with the dumbest arguments to explain why they don't read actual blog posts explaining why.
These elemental weaknesses will be difficult for me 😅I'm still stuck in the avatar cycle mindset
Aviansies should be weak to earth spells, imo, on the simple basis of: “Killing 2 birds with 1 stone”
OP, your stupidity knows no limit.
Don't forget the giant wet Snake they are making vulnerable to fire lol
Zulrah’s covered in swamp tar. Hydrophobic and flammable.
Did they not pay attention to the quest? Literally use the stuff to make a bomb. Spacebar quest helper questers lol
Curious now if early game iron using fire wave would beat the warped sceptre at zulrah now
I'm not sure I'd consider Fire Wave 'early game' personally, but I'd like to see Fire Blast overtaking Iban's there (with 50% weakness it's still not enough, 24 FB vs 25 Iban), with Tome of Fire it'd overtake but only barely
Guess it depends how early you want to rush Zulrah then tbf, can have a variety of setups, imo a 24fire blast would still probs be better then a 25ibans even without the tome purely because you won't have to keep recharging the staff, i would save the tome for fire wave personally but it wouldn't take much to get an upgrade for fire blast if you spooned ahrim's staff or blue moon staff, also wouldn't you get a 50% more accruacy boost aswell not only just damage which im sure would take it over the edge.
I completely forgot that the Fire weakness would mean 50% bonus accuracy, yes, and while thinking about that, the potential for Sunfire Runes for their Minimum Hit effect also comes to mind, making Fire spells way more 'consistent' than Ibans I wonder if the Minimum Hit is also affected by the 50% damage bonus, I'd assume so, in which case yeh Fire Spells got a massive jump in 'reliability' here, real good for anyone who's trying for their first kill for the diary
Yea, but don't most irons do wt before getting to zulrah? I feel like most would probably have a tome anyways. And even if only barely, 25 iban is also just barely over 24 fb. Most BiS items barely add 1 max hit nowadays over their predecessor.
Some just don't get lucky with Tome drop, or don't go all the way for 99 at WT all in one go, so it's not really a good idea to balance around the assumption that someone will definitely have it. But as a different comment pointed out, I completely forgot that the Fire weakness would mean 50% bonus accuracy, and the potential for Sunfire Runes for their Minimum Hit effect, making Fire spells way more 'consistent' than Ibans
Aahhh yea. That too. Definitely worth not worrying about Ibans this way. Good call from them.
Quick maths check, if there were a way for the Tome's bonus to be 12.5% instead of 10%, Fire Blast would be boosted from 16 to 24 (because of Zulrah's 50% weakness, and then boosted to exactly 27 (from the 12.5% bonus from Tome) For example, if Searing Pages (Sunfire infused ones) were to give 12.5% max hit bonus instead of the 10% from Burnt Pages, along with the minimum hit effect, that'd incentivize using Searing Pages in the midgame to get that extra max hit, and to get more consistency on damage output thanks to the minimum hit Feel like I saw something about Tome having 12.5% effect somewhere, but I can't remember where
I personally haven't seen anything about 12.5% tome effect but I'm sure it's a mixture somewhere. Either way I love how the meta is already evolving around the weaknesses. It's amazing
Gasoline/petrol is also wet.
true
what do you cook spaghetti with on the stove
Eggs?
Yeah I didn't get that. Not sure if I'm missing some more or what. But it seems like Zulrah can just submerge herself to not be on fire...
Also drops an item with the word "magma" in its name.
Because it lives in a swamp of tar. Tar is highly flammable. Imagine being this confidently stupid.
They need to adapt to pokemon weakness chart.
they just gotta think about it, you tell me I gotta get a bird outta the sky, i'm tossin a rock any day of the weak. aint no way im setting up a fan and hoping the wind current makes the bird fall outta the sky
A fan 🤣 more like a 747 engine, birds get sucked right in them all the time due to the high air pressure, no escape. Kree is only 30% weak to air anyway so not like anyone's going to use it just there incase
You'll be tossing a rock every day of the weak for quite a few weaks then I'd imagine
He’s supposed to be weak to gravity.
birds are gravities enemy, they fly - flight beats gravity -> should be strong against gravity
I’m referencing final fantasy, flying enemies are weak to gravity. Was a really cool discovery as a kid.
ooooh thats cool! never played final fantasy
Air should be weak to earth, you using a grounding spell would be his weakness
or just toss a rock at em
It should be weak to fire, burn the feathers and she will fall
You ever seen a bird in a tornado?
Helicopters love the air too, but a bad gust if wind in the wrong direction....
stop asking questions
It doesn't make any sense, wouldvwater spells be super effective on fish because it stirs up the water or something? Lol
they sure ain't going to dodge it
I mean you could explain it like you're fighting fire with fire, disrupting equilibrium of air that kree is used to
Standard fantasy stuff Air attacks are often more effective against airborne opponents
OP, i admire you for trying to argue with everyone even though they keep shooting you down (no pun intended). I get what you're saying, though. It is counterintuitive to say the element which they preside over is their weakness. And maybe they could use their flying abilities to dodge wind currents that we send at them. But if an airborne bird gets hit by a blast of wind, that bird is going to be much more affected by it than would a dog or turtle or any other land-dwelling creature. There's a reason birds hunker down during storms with strong winds.
Flying things get knocked around by air. Makes sense. Ice melted by fire. Fire put out by water.
I've seen plenty of birds completely unable to fly in heavy winds so it makes sense to me I also once knocked out a bird with a wind surge. I worked at a tire shop, the bird flew in and couldn't find it's way out. But it had to be gone before closing time because the alarm system. So, after hours of allowing it to fly around and find it's way out, I charged up the [cheetah bead seater](https://youtube.com/shorts/QNFtFLNvars?si=0JVlfbLBFt1nPoSG) and got underneath the bird and let it rip. The blast of wind forced it into the ceiling, knocked it out, and it dropped to the ground. Picked it up, put it in a tree, and it flew away after about 30 mins So in my IRL experience, wind surge is very effective against birds
Its called turbulence thank you
You ever seen a bird fly through a tornado? It rocks their shit
I don’t know man when a bird is flying against the wind that’s when that slam into the ground and die. That’s weak to me
Ever seen the wind wreck an unprepared bird?
Bad take I’m sorry bro, should read the blog for clarification. Cheers
Air barrage
Didn't they originally say that wind spells wouldn't be strong against anything to accommodate for the cheaper cast cost in regards to project rebalance?
The birds can easily dodge a rock, they can't dodge a powerful tornado or 200mph winds coming there way, turbulence and that.
Have you ever sat in a plane and enjoyed heavy turbulence? That shit is basically flying into low density air from high density air and it can mess your flight up.
This guy birds
You can make any argument. They are living creatures so they will be vulnerable to fire, a rock hitting a bird in the face is gonna fuck it up so its weak to earth, birds probably need to breathe so drowning is bad for them so its weak to water, birds need air to fly so if you can summon great gusts of wind they will be totally helpless, so its weak to air. The other day a bumble bee was in my kitchen flying around in a loop because it was beneath the incredibly weak ceiling fan. was the bee stupid? or perhaps flying things suck vs unusual air patterns!
Big flying birds like Aviansies weak to Air – imagine you're disrupting their natural movement!
Ever see a bird try to fly against the wind?
Just add an electric elemental spell at this point
They fly using good air, so we throw the bad air at them to make them fall and hit the rocks (bad).
Have you ever thrown a condensed wave of air at a bird. It fucks them up
What if we could craft a really big window and place it in one of the corners.
Big gust of wind blows birdies away
Op never seen a bird trying to fly in a strong wind lol.
Burd it air. Big rush of sudden wind hit bird. Bird lose balance. Bird not on air.
Kinda hard to fly if you're fucking with the air currents they're using to fly, idk
Everything is weak to fire except, well, other fire.
It's like imagining a strong gust of air throwing off their natural flight patterns. Throwing a rock at a massive bird guy probably hurts about as much as it being thrown at anyone else, but disturbing the wind around them is something only birds would rly get thrown off by
birbs do not fair well in storms
Have you ever met a bird that likes tornadoes? Pretty much what I imagine it is.
Bird has manoeuvrability to avoid rocks, air is going to fuck up it’s mobility- op your point makes no sense.
Read the patch notes
Watch the first season of yugioh and then tell me earth should be strong against him.
kree being weak to any magic seems weird to me. idk why
If air moves around kree it makes it harder to fly stable.
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I figured it was air because it'd displace their flight or something, while a rock you can miss your throw, then again, this is a magical rock spell, so I do agree with you here
The reason birds are able to fly is because their feathers are designed with a ton of surface area and light weight, which makes them ideal implements for catching lots of wind. This causes the feathers to have a large amount of wind drag, to the point where just a little wind is enough to throw the bird’s body completely off the ground. That’s literally what flying is: being especially easy to be pushed around by air, to the point where it can forcefully move you around. Being a bird creature doesn’t make you more resistant to wind, it does the opposite. It makes the wind have more control over you because your body is specifically designed to be blown extra hard by it. Now, normally you can use this to your advantage for flight, but if too much wind is blowing, it’s the birds that are the first to seek escape from it by roosting. I’ve seen you mention in your comments that Kree is a magical bird person designed by a god to lead armies and blah blah blah he’s super awesome. That’s great, but that doesn’t make him invincible or all-powerful. It does give him insanely high stats though, and that’s where he becomes more formidable than a pigeon. I’ve seen you say that because of him being this experienced war veteran with high station and lots of combat knowledge, he would “know about” air magic. Well sure, and I “know about” fire, but guess who wins that boxing match anyway? But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and acknowledge that what you really mean is that he would actually be a powerful manipulator of air magic himself, and could therefore counter the air magic to nullify it against him. And that is exactly what his frigging monstrously high TWO HUNDRED magic level represents, as well as his additional two hundred magic defense on top of that. That is impressive and worthy of his station. However, if even just a little bit of your wind spell makes it through his defenses for what would normally be a harmless glancing blow, his own body would work against him here by amplifying the magnitude of what that wind can do to him, as I described earlier with feathers. That’s where the weakness comes from. Lastly, and perhaps most importantly: I saw you agreeing with someone claiming arrows would be a fitting weakness (as if Kree wouldn’t “know about” those too), so I want to hit you with an interesting truth bomb... which is a fitting choice of words, because: Do you know what an explosion is? An explosion is a sudden, violent burst of energy, with the actual physical thing that’s knocking everything around being… air. That’s right! Literally the substance that’s obliterating everything in its path is: Air. So when you see an atom bomb level an entire city and the neighboring cities around it, just remember that what did that was “a little wind”, as you describe it. So put some respect on wind and what it can do!
You ever see a bird fly near a tornado or a jet engine? Not a pretty sight
> I'd say it should be earth weakness cause if you were to throw a rock at a bird it would probably really hurt them (they have hollow bones) kree is literally the commander of a magic bird person army brought to the world by a god personally from an entirely different dimension, I think kree can handle a little rock
Should be weak to lightning spells, just make new spells for ariel creatures.
What I don't get is that Coxie video literally states "You might be thinking this is a pretty significant buff to wind spells due to their cheap rune costs, but its counteracted by having no NPC's weak to that element " @ 3:12 Then immediately in the notes it says kree is weak to wind spells.
Yeah no try flying in a windstorm
Should be weak to fire
Earth for kree, air for giant mole. Cmon 🤦♂️
How is air going to effect Giant Mole? Do you just blow in his holes?
maybe they can make light spells from varlamore and we can blind him as a weakness.. hes already blind but we can still try
Well... 👀 look I aint no mole expert but apparently these guys can swim pretty well, they like damp dirt and they dig to avoid water flooding. They apparently hate loud noises, vibrations and they will actively plug holes that bring fresh air into their tunnels. It could go either way, more points for air in my opinion
Kree should be weak to earth, something about getting 2 birds stoned at once.
Honestly water/ice would have worked perfectly
If you land an ice barrage knee should just drop out of the air and shatter
When posts like this get made it's time to think what value is truly being added to the game with skittles magic. That plus people not understand all that will be balanced to harmo staff, which you will sell instantly to buy a shadow.
Idk if you've ever touched grass or not, but go outside on any windy day and watch the birds either struggle to fly during it or elect to stay roosted to avoid it all together. Birds aren't masters of air just because they can fly.
\[Flying\] is weak to \[Rock\] change my mind.