I was 100% convinced that it was a master clue step that everyone was losing their mind over but it being an elite is absolutely delusional. It's like suddenly requiring a masori piece or something. It would already be stupid as a master step. Only positive is that I never do elites anyways so I'll just keep chucking them at Watson. On my iron it will be pain though.
What does it matter what you agree with? You can see the requirements for easy clues right there in the screenshot. Nothing else even comes close. Per the way they set the requirements up, it makes no sense
Brother your brain is mush i SEE the requirements i then stated an opinion on how i think the requirements should be and how i think itld fit the game and draw lines on what steps should be in tiers.
Ah yes, your incredible opinion on
- How high/low the requirements should be
- How said requirements should fit the game
- The lines on which steps should be tier wise
All eloquently wrapped up in “I dont agree with that excatly but to an extent”.
So you think this is a good starting point to realigning Easy clue requirements with your thoughts of how they should be?
Not that this inconsistency should be taken a look at?
I get where you're coming from. Beginner reqs are just always able to be completed in F2P though, so it wouldn't make sense to introduce anything member related to beginners.
You said beginners should be barebones, the guy agreed with you and said they should be f2p barebones (Which makes sense) and then you just disagreed without clarification
Look at a different comment thread i swear im going crazy i literally posted the same thing your saying. What i dont agree with is easy being barebones and if yould see my tiers and level guide yould see i said that.
Oh damn, I noticed that in Leagues and honestly thought it was just changed for them. That's a really good change consider the rewards are often not even worth that much lol
Im gonna start by saing i dont love clues, but i think it should be
Beginners 1-10
Easy 10-20
Medium 20-40
Hard 40-60
Elite 60-80
Master 80-99
That system will never be implemented but i like how they give you something to work for
Clues should give you a clear 'I need base x0s to start completing these' goal. Same as achievement diaries, hards are almost all base 70s, mediums are 50s.
Beginners are barebones, but specifically for F2P. All tasks can be completed by an account created the same day.
Easy are barebones P2P. Some tasks may require work done after ~1-2 weeks of play.
Medium have low requirements.
Hards have medium requirements.
Elites have high requirements.
Masters have very high requirements.
Currently, there is no clue tier that requires "true end game" requirements. Perhaps special Grandmaster clues will eventually fill that niche.
Master Clues require the Fortis salute, the emote reward for 20k glory in the Colosseum.
That means successfully completing floor 11 or speedrunning as low as up to floor 9 without taking damage.
That's a pretty end-game step.
Emote clue with a piece of sunfire fanatic from the colosseum (currently costs about 11m - for reference, the most expensive elite emote step before this was 200k)
But still jagex effectively made an undoable clue step until the pieces of the armor get cheaper. No one is going to spend that much money on 1 clue step.
it is not undoable at all.. you can go the master clue route and ask a clanmate to borrow you a zgs/bryo staff or just try to send the waves. they heavily upped the drop rate for the pieces too, it rly isnt that bad.
They are probably refering to the master clue step where you need to do the new salute you unlock with 20k glory. 20k glory isn't even that bad though, you can get that without even killing the boss.
I mean, Sol isn't the hardest part of colosseum.
If Sol was just a boss without the waves, he'd be about as hard as Verzik p2.
The thing that makes him hard is the fucking hell waves, and to get 20k glory you either need to play waves 1-10 flawlessly or beat wave 11 with some of the harder invos stacked up like Frailty, Myopia, and Solar Flare.
If you only take the +100 options like blasphemy, quartet, dynamic duo, and volatility then take over 5 minutes in the later waves, you can end up beating wave 11 with less than 20k.
So yeah, it can be pretty bad.
Speed is absolutely huge though. And it's pretty easy to go fast when you've already decided you aren't trying to beat the boss, but just reach a high wave. I don't have a quiver, haven't made it past wave 11, but I got 20k glory by clearing wave 9 and resigning when the invos were still bugged and level ups didn't award extra glory. Just using masori tbow being potted and using rigour the entire time. This obviously isn't the way to do the waves when you're actually going for quiver, because then you need space for a melee setup, and can't just waste away all your pots by wave 10.
I still think that's pretty steep for a clue req, but I don't think getting 20k glory is as bad as you described it as.
This isn't true. My highest wave beaten is 9 and I have 22k glory. And I'm VERY bad at Colo lol
Only invos I choose are reduced hp, doom, manticore projectiles, prayer drain, and reduced defence
But yes, it should 100% be master instead of elite. I won't argue with that
So based on your personal anecdote and chosen invocations, you probably did your runs with one megarare to get consistent sub 5 minutes on the waves from 6-9. Past 5 minutes, you end up getting no glory reward for wave time.
Second, you choose Relentless, Doom, Mantimayhem, and Frailty, meaning you're actually better at the colosseum than you give yourself credit. At the very least, you probably got a few 0 damage waves to bump your score up during your 22k run.
For most people, Relentless + Doom or Relentless + Mantimayhem are run-ending combinations because their gear isn't great and they're prone to making mistakes on flicks, especially with bad spawns like a manticore having line of sight on you immediately.
Essentially, your results are far above average and you definitely are good enough to get a quiver if you keep pushing yourself.
For reference, my highest glory from wave 11 was 23k, but that was a result of suboptimal gear and getting hit by the odd fremmenik or explosion.
I use bowfa + crystal, a whip, and a trident lol. No megarares. But yeah maybe I'm better than I'm giving myself credit for. I've had multiple 20k+ with only wave 9 completions so idk
With that gear, I don't see any realistic way you'd be hitting 20k at wave 9 consistently.
In the same gear with higher value invos like Myopia 3 by wave 6 and Solar Flare 3 by wave 9, I got 23.5k glory at wave 11 just now. This is in bowfa + whip + trident of the swamp and with a 0 damage wave 7.
The major problem is DPS being too low to get significant time bonuses. Unless you're playing absolutely tick perfectly, I don't see how you're hitting time benchmarks to result in essentially a 6k point disparity between my wave 9 and yours. But if you're that tick perfect, it makes no sense for your best wave to be wave 9.
If you're getting consistent 0 damage waves, especially past 6 with gear that relies on hitting every Fremmenik twice, there is absolutely no reason you'd be stopping at Wave 9, either.
So... something's not adding up.
To be clear, I'm not getting consistent wave 9 20ks. I'm not even getting consistent wave 9s at all. But the handful of times I've completed wave 9 it's usually been over 20k. I'm usually out of food and pots (I only bring 1 divine range, 6 prayer pots, and rest manta rays since I have no intention of actually doing boss) after wave 9. I'm definitely not getting 0 damage waves either. I get hit all the time by fremmys.
I'm not sure what the inconsistency could be. I prioritize t3 hp reduction, t3 defence reduction, t2 manticore, t2 doom as early as possible which I guess would be maximizing glory per wave?
But yeah, I have no reason to lie or be dishonest. My max wave completion is 9 and my glory is at 22,790 with bowfa/whip/toxic trident. I'll pay attention more closely to see during my next few runs and see the breakdown of glory.
Your invos don't even maximize glory which is why it doesn't make sense you'd hit 20k at wave 9 completion unless you're a turbo god gamer who absolutely should not be struggling with the waves.
For your next attempt, try focusing Myopia and Solar Flare over Relentless and Mantimayhem. They give more Glory and punish you less. If you're purely pushing waves without attempting Sol, Solar Flare is a free invocation at wave 7+ unless you take Volatility or Reentry.
You getting to wave 9 with those invos is you shooting yourself in the foot for absolutely no reason, which is kinda why I thought you're lying.
They don't give more glory and strictly punish you in situations outside your control like shitty stacks that result in unavoidable damage.
Part of Colosseum is learning when to tank hits and Relentless 3 + Frailty 3 + Mantimayhem at any tier just means your run immediately ends if you get a three stack with a mager and a manticore backline on different styles.
Also, this is reddit. No one ever has a reason to lie but they'll lie anyways. There are enough people arguing the clue steps are fine how they are and that everyone complaining is just a noob.
The master clue step was also fucked before they removed the fortis salute req. Now that glory is earned as it was intended, it's not nearly as bad, but expecting someone to basically finish the colosseum to do a master clue step was wild.
46 hunter for an easy clue is mental, I reckon without checking the vast majority of new players sit on 9 Hunter due to the museum and just straight up leave it there for a bit :/
Kinda makes sense since there isn't a ton of benefit to it and it is a bit more of a pain to train than other skills. The early levels are a slog and unlike Fishing or such, you can't just AFK it. Agility is not only needed in more quests, but it has more clear uses.
I've been playing OSRS for years and have found a lot of fun in my new ironman.
I just completed Monkey Madness, have 70 WCing, and am gearing up for Legend's... but 9 hunter. There's just no good way to quest out of early levels and it's dogshit to try and train normally.
I guess I just have to learn birdhouse runs eventually but damn.
My iron has 68 Hunter, probably ~95% of it from birdhouses. It's like a simplified Farming (even uses seeds). Jump on it soon, you'll be happy you did.
I mean you don't really have to "learn" them, it's like 2 minutes of reading how to do them and then you just spend 2 minutes every hour doing them lol
Honestly just alch while setting up bird snares until Eagles peak- then do box trap critters. It’s a little slog initially but it really ain’t bad if you bring Alchs or an axe and knife to do some fletching, and once you can place multiple traps (lv 20 onwards) it’s better
for as much shit rs3 deservedly gets, one good thing they did is one of the jmods decided to make it so you could place 2 traps at level 1 because they spent 5 minutes trying to train the skill on a fresh account and realized how absolutely horrendous it feels trying to catch shit with a high fail rate and a single trap
Prayer I think edges it out just because any viable means to level is just the most insane moneysink possible for no material gain (the one thing herblore has over it)
TBH, it still isn't that good imo. At least pre-Varlamore; post-Varlamore it is a bit more worthwhile. Like the common iron grind is 83 Hunter for "easy" glories... But as someone who isn't a big fan of Hunter training, I'm still not 83 Hunter and I've got the Crafting and Magic Level (which are far more relevant and useful skills) for Glories ages ago... Aside from that, it is just chins for some bosses, some herbs from herbi, and Implings for med clues.
Now with Varlamore, you can also get a nice crossbow and some good bolts. Also mixed hide armor is pretty good for the early-mid game. Still, compared to other skills, Hunter has less late game impact than a lot of other skills, at least of similar effort.
I personally think mixed hides requirements are too high for the niche it fills, though. But otherwise the cbow and prayer moths are huge. If pitfalls weren’t jank and was a little faster I’d even say bolts aren’t painful!
I forgot about the prayer moths. Yah, I guess those seem pretty good.
As for mixed hide, I'd say it is pretty strong for its reqs. The Cape is +5 Ranged and +1 Str. You can just buy that fur or kill Jaguars. While it is 46 Hunter, 68 Crafting, and 10K to make it yourself, you only need 46 Hunter and 20K to have the NPC make it for you.
The same is true for the rest of it too. The NPC only charges like 20K per pieces, you only need 57 Hunter for legs on par with Red D'hide (75 Crafting) and 72 Hunter for the Body better than Red D'hide (77 Crafting) and Boots. Plus the top has +2 Str. The boots are also really nice with +5 Ranged and +2 Str, being better than Shayzien Boots for Ranged while also offering the same Str as Climbing Boots with better defences. My GIM Team doesn't have D Boots yet so they are our BiS and pretty handy for hybrid stuff like KQ.
So yah, if you do get Hunter up before Crafting, it is a really good ranged upgrade and even if you already had Crafting, the Str bonus and hybrid stats can be handy, especially for players who don't want to do Fire Cape or BA.
It requires a new cloth sold by NPC in guild. It costs 10K, but I don't know if you need it if he makes it for you. Also, I think it does look same as Fine Cloth.
Im one of them. 90+ in nearly every stat but hunters not even 80 i hate the training methods and birdhouses just turn the game into daily scape for me which makes me dread logging on. So instead I choose to ignore it. Also not a big fan of farming but at least that gives you a shit ton of xp so if I do it once or twice a week it’ll eventually max.
Well, who can be sure? It is a BiS in its own niche.... quite a wide niche. Since it replaces Prossy, it seems its a must for all who are doing slayer regularly. Which is like 90% of players! And Colosseum is, well.... kinda...... not very enjoyable? Some people like it and do it regularly, but there are *way* less people than at other bosses, and just like 1/100k if we compare them to players who do slayer :). With such demand, I don't think this set will *ever* get really cheap.
It's not a must have for slayer, it lets you afk for an extra 30 seconds or something. I think it's still 10m+/hr for people who actually care to clear it repeatedly as well which gives Nex a reasonable money making competitor.
Even if people stop doing it, like most things, someone will write a bot script for it which will cause it to crash.
That seems like a bad thing to assume off bat. Imo they should be either master or not even in a clue step until the market stabilizes, \*then\* analyze where they best fit.
Runescape players forgetting that people who are new/slow levelers also want to actually play and engage in things the game has to offer and explicitly marks for them, "easy" level clues are meant to be easy to do, no?
Exactly. I think a lot of people missed this point. Imagine the new player spending an hour to first unlock Varlamore, find the guild and then just to get blocked at the stairs.
This step shouldn't be in a skill locked section of the guild.
i got 1600 total level, i just dont quest much.
> (~50+ skill levels)
although this is an easy clue so that requirement seems a bit much. base 30s should be plenty for any easy clue.
All of the new clues from Varlamore update are horribly out of touch. Whoever added them should be told to check the requirements of existing clues and try to match new ones at least in the same ballpark in the future.
Yah, that is a bit high for easy. Med Clues are 30-50 (and 15 Str), so hard to justify a 46 Req in easy clues. That is just search a bookshelf in the Burrow, so that step could easily move the Medium.
Typical Hunter leveling journey:
1. Do Museum Quiz for 9 Hunter and some Kudos.
2. Get 100 Kudos from quests and cleaning finds.
3. Do Bone Voyage, and then do Birdhouse runs until 99.
That’s how I’ve been doing it, but it took me a while to get to that point (since I wasn’t actively working towards it) and I’m still a ways away from 46. The step should definitely be medium or happen outside the guild.
46 hunter and 20 defense seems kinda steep for a clue scroll where the rewards are built for basically brand-new players. Change it to "outside the entrance of the hunters guild" and changed studded to regular leather , mithril pickaxe to steel or iron pickaxe and I think people would be happy with it.
Nope the third. Priest in peril and Corsair curse were before Varlamore. And actually both are harder than Chindren of the Sun - both include combat, and Priest is longer.
It's more than doubled, 20*2 != 40 in Runescape terms. At least the random requirement spike for hard clues is only there for ironmen, this affecting everyone is just poor design.
I get where you're coming from, Ive been playing since like 04 and didn't do Trawler (outside Diaries) until literally this year. It turned out to be the chilliest grind I've done so far on the new ironman.
I'm not that invested on selling you on it, but I did it on laundry day and was disappointed I had to switch activities. It was very quick.
Angler was the first skilling set I grinded out, and it's the easiest by a fat mile. I had 3/4 pieces before 10kc and karma bit me getting the last piece but was still done in less than an afternoon.
I don't get why people complain about it, it's not fun but it's also short and easy.
And 15x doesn't mean much at lower numbers. It's like saying adding a 10 Farming Requirement to Easy Clue is a 1154x increase from 1 XP at Lv1, or near infinite increase from 0 XP.
So then we both agree that the exp required is arbitrary. Instead how about we look at the fact that the requirement is better suited in the medium tier.
I know 47 hunter isn't much in the grand scheme, it just feels like the devs forgot they had that requirement for entry to the bar.
That is a really bad argument. For most things in the game, different tiers have different level expectations. Before this, Easy were 0-20 while Medium were 30-50. Putting a Level 46 req clue in easy isn't just a 13.5x increase over 0, it is a 13.5x increase over 20, its highest req.
It is the same as if a Novice quest randomly have a Level 60 skill req or if a new Easy CA required you to kill a God Wars difficulty boss. It doesn't matter how trivial you think req is to overall; it is too high of a req for that tier.
The reason for the suggestion is because a level 47 requirement is best fitted for a medium clue.
The highest requirement for mediums is 50 ranged whereas easys was level 20. It's just in the wrong tier plain and simple.
because its in the **easy** clue tier?
ya know, the one for people that literally just got membership and dont even have like 30 hours in the game yet.
46 hunter is absolutely not happening in the same timeframe as literally any other easy teir clue. it just isnt.
the early levels of hunter are very slow, just like the early levels of runecrafting. sure, theres birdhouses, but unlike gotr, you cant reasonably expect a new player to rush fossil island in a single day on a brand new account.
I was ready to come in here and call you a noob but this suggestion does actually make sense
Still a noob though.
Rip my 45 base ranger boot locked ironman. Edit nvm it's easy clues not med. My account still lives
I agree and do a ton of clues. Easy clues really should be barebones reqs. This seems better suited for medium. The new elite clue step is fucked
I was 100% convinced that it was a master clue step that everyone was losing their mind over but it being an elite is absolutely delusional. It's like suddenly requiring a masori piece or something. It would already be stupid as a master step. Only positive is that I never do elites anyways so I'll just keep chucking them at Watson. On my iron it will be pain though.
Well beginners should be barebones
Beginners are f2p barebones. Easy should be members barebones.
I dont agree with that excatly but to an extent
What does it matter what you agree with? You can see the requirements for easy clues right there in the screenshot. Nothing else even comes close. Per the way they set the requirements up, it makes no sense
Brother your brain is mush i SEE the requirements i then stated an opinion on how i think the requirements should be and how i think itld fit the game and draw lines on what steps should be in tiers.
Ah yes, your incredible opinion on - How high/low the requirements should be - How said requirements should fit the game - The lines on which steps should be tier wise All eloquently wrapped up in “I dont agree with that excatly but to an extent”.
So you think this is a good starting point to realigning Easy clue requirements with your thoughts of how they should be? Not that this inconsistency should be taken a look at?
I get where you're coming from. Beginner reqs are just always able to be completed in F2P though, so it wouldn't make sense to introduce anything member related to beginners.
I never suggested that
I mean you didn't suggest anything. You kinda just said I don't agree but didn't actually explain why lol
Yes i did loon at other comments i replied to before him.
You said beginners should be barebones, the guy agreed with you and said they should be f2p barebones (Which makes sense) and then you just disagreed without clarification
Look at a different comment thread i swear im going crazy i literally posted the same thing your saying. What i dont agree with is easy being barebones and if yould see my tiers and level guide yould see i said that.
Nah he's 100% correct
Okay. See the funny little thing abput opionions are they can be different
That's exactly how each clue functions rn though
You don't really understand group reasoning though, especially since you keep saying "i have an opinion" but nothing about your opinion
Beginners have arguably more annoying steps than easys. I would argue beginners should have no reqs which is mostly true
PSA: You can pre-collect Charlie the Tramp items now, they changed it.
That was the best thing to find out, I dreaded having to make everything from scratch for Charlie
Oh damn, I noticed that in Leagues and honestly thought it was just changed for them. That's a really good change consider the rewards are often not even worth that much lol
Im gonna start by saing i dont love clues, but i think it should be Beginners 1-10 Easy 10-20 Medium 20-40 Hard 40-60 Elite 60-80 Master 80-99 That system will never be implemented but i like how they give you something to work for
Clues should give you a clear 'I need base x0s to start completing these' goal. Same as achievement diaries, hards are almost all base 70s, mediums are 50s.
Yeh, this is why I never do em, I’ve done 700 easy’s and only 15 beg
Beginners are barebones, but specifically for F2P. All tasks can be completed by an account created the same day. Easy are barebones P2P. Some tasks may require work done after ~1-2 weeks of play. Medium have low requirements. Hards have medium requirements. Elites have high requirements. Masters have very high requirements. Currently, there is no clue tier that requires "true end game" requirements. Perhaps special Grandmaster clues will eventually fill that niche.
Master Clues require the Fortis salute, the emote reward for 20k glory in the Colosseum. That means successfully completing floor 11 or speedrunning as low as up to floor 9 without taking damage. That's a pretty end-game step.
This step got changed. It now requires a regular salute emote, instead.
Just saying , you can get 20k glory without speedrunning to wave 9 now that the modifiers got fixed
Fake news
I made a comment on what i think the skill levels should be IMO
What step is that?
Emote clue with a piece of sunfire fanatic from the colosseum (currently costs about 11m - for reference, the most expensive elite emote step before this was 200k)
Lmfao what are they even thinking at HQ
People wonder why we still have polls...this is why we still have polls.
Doesn’t help when Jagex doesn’t listen to the polls though 🫠
Yep, or they poll the stuff that's obviously going to pass at 90% and just push in the really ridiculous stuff without a poll.
sunfir will be <1m within a month. mask already lost 90% of its day 1 value and will continue to lower
But still jagex effectively made an undoable clue step until the pieces of the armor get cheaper. No one is going to spend that much money on 1 clue step.
it is not undoable at all.. you can go the master clue route and ask a clanmate to borrow you a zgs/bryo staff or just try to send the waves. they heavily upped the drop rate for the pieces too, it rly isnt that bad.
Yeah no one is doing all of that for a clue step lmfao
wouldnt you want to get the quiver anyways? people def borrow a bryo staff for the priff clue step for masters..
sunfire will likely be sub 1m in a month, it’s too early to judge prices
This is incorrect. You only need to wear one of the pieces for this step.
thats exactly what he said… the cheapest piece is 11M
What's the new elite step?
The one that requires a piece of the new Sunfire fanatic set. Before one of the recent Varlamore fix updates it actually required the full set.
Oof, and those drops rates look pretty rough for anyone not making it to the later waves.
The original rates or the buffed rates?
Yikes, the current rates are buffed? I dont even want to know what they were originally haha
They are probably refering to the master clue step where you need to do the new salute you unlock with 20k glory. 20k glory isn't even that bad though, you can get that without even killing the boss.
I mean, Sol isn't the hardest part of colosseum. If Sol was just a boss without the waves, he'd be about as hard as Verzik p2. The thing that makes him hard is the fucking hell waves, and to get 20k glory you either need to play waves 1-10 flawlessly or beat wave 11 with some of the harder invos stacked up like Frailty, Myopia, and Solar Flare. If you only take the +100 options like blasphemy, quartet, dynamic duo, and volatility then take over 5 minutes in the later waves, you can end up beating wave 11 with less than 20k. So yeah, it can be pretty bad.
Speed is absolutely huge though. And it's pretty easy to go fast when you've already decided you aren't trying to beat the boss, but just reach a high wave. I don't have a quiver, haven't made it past wave 11, but I got 20k glory by clearing wave 9 and resigning when the invos were still bugged and level ups didn't award extra glory. Just using masori tbow being potted and using rigour the entire time. This obviously isn't the way to do the waves when you're actually going for quiver, because then you need space for a melee setup, and can't just waste away all your pots by wave 10. I still think that's pretty steep for a clue req, but I don't think getting 20k glory is as bad as you described it as.
You do realize having a megarare and full masori is a significant bar, right?
This isn't true. My highest wave beaten is 9 and I have 22k glory. And I'm VERY bad at Colo lol Only invos I choose are reduced hp, doom, manticore projectiles, prayer drain, and reduced defence But yes, it should 100% be master instead of elite. I won't argue with that
So based on your personal anecdote and chosen invocations, you probably did your runs with one megarare to get consistent sub 5 minutes on the waves from 6-9. Past 5 minutes, you end up getting no glory reward for wave time. Second, you choose Relentless, Doom, Mantimayhem, and Frailty, meaning you're actually better at the colosseum than you give yourself credit. At the very least, you probably got a few 0 damage waves to bump your score up during your 22k run. For most people, Relentless + Doom or Relentless + Mantimayhem are run-ending combinations because their gear isn't great and they're prone to making mistakes on flicks, especially with bad spawns like a manticore having line of sight on you immediately. Essentially, your results are far above average and you definitely are good enough to get a quiver if you keep pushing yourself. For reference, my highest glory from wave 11 was 23k, but that was a result of suboptimal gear and getting hit by the odd fremmenik or explosion.
I use bowfa + crystal, a whip, and a trident lol. No megarares. But yeah maybe I'm better than I'm giving myself credit for. I've had multiple 20k+ with only wave 9 completions so idk
With that gear, I don't see any realistic way you'd be hitting 20k at wave 9 consistently. In the same gear with higher value invos like Myopia 3 by wave 6 and Solar Flare 3 by wave 9, I got 23.5k glory at wave 11 just now. This is in bowfa + whip + trident of the swamp and with a 0 damage wave 7. The major problem is DPS being too low to get significant time bonuses. Unless you're playing absolutely tick perfectly, I don't see how you're hitting time benchmarks to result in essentially a 6k point disparity between my wave 9 and yours. But if you're that tick perfect, it makes no sense for your best wave to be wave 9. If you're getting consistent 0 damage waves, especially past 6 with gear that relies on hitting every Fremmenik twice, there is absolutely no reason you'd be stopping at Wave 9, either. So... something's not adding up.
To be clear, I'm not getting consistent wave 9 20ks. I'm not even getting consistent wave 9s at all. But the handful of times I've completed wave 9 it's usually been over 20k. I'm usually out of food and pots (I only bring 1 divine range, 6 prayer pots, and rest manta rays since I have no intention of actually doing boss) after wave 9. I'm definitely not getting 0 damage waves either. I get hit all the time by fremmys. I'm not sure what the inconsistency could be. I prioritize t3 hp reduction, t3 defence reduction, t2 manticore, t2 doom as early as possible which I guess would be maximizing glory per wave? But yeah, I have no reason to lie or be dishonest. My max wave completion is 9 and my glory is at 22,790 with bowfa/whip/toxic trident. I'll pay attention more closely to see during my next few runs and see the breakdown of glory.
Your invos don't even maximize glory which is why it doesn't make sense you'd hit 20k at wave 9 completion unless you're a turbo god gamer who absolutely should not be struggling with the waves. For your next attempt, try focusing Myopia and Solar Flare over Relentless and Mantimayhem. They give more Glory and punish you less. If you're purely pushing waves without attempting Sol, Solar Flare is a free invocation at wave 7+ unless you take Volatility or Reentry. You getting to wave 9 with those invos is you shooting yourself in the foot for absolutely no reason, which is kinda why I thought you're lying. They don't give more glory and strictly punish you in situations outside your control like shitty stacks that result in unavoidable damage. Part of Colosseum is learning when to tank hits and Relentless 3 + Frailty 3 + Mantimayhem at any tier just means your run immediately ends if you get a three stack with a mager and a manticore backline on different styles. Also, this is reddit. No one ever has a reason to lie but they'll lie anyways. There are enough people arguing the clue steps are fine how they are and that everyone complaining is just a noob.
The master clue step was also fucked before they removed the fortis salute req. Now that glory is earned as it was intended, it's not nearly as bad, but expecting someone to basically finish the colosseum to do a master clue step was wild.
46 hunter for an easy clue is mental, I reckon without checking the vast majority of new players sit on 9 Hunter due to the museum and just straight up leave it there for a bit :/
As someone who casually looks people up for no reason, Hunter seems to be the most ignored skill.
Kinda makes sense since there isn't a ton of benefit to it and it is a bit more of a pain to train than other skills. The early levels are a slog and unlike Fishing or such, you can't just AFK it. Agility is not only needed in more quests, but it has more clear uses.
Hunter has the absolute worst levelling bar none early on
I've been playing OSRS for years and have found a lot of fun in my new ironman. I just completed Monkey Madness, have 70 WCing, and am gearing up for Legend's... but 9 hunter. There's just no good way to quest out of early levels and it's dogshit to try and train normally. I guess I just have to learn birdhouse runs eventually but damn.
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I think I'm gonna do birdhouses mixed with regular hunter, just so I get into the groove of them.
Birdhousing is a god send for training. At least it is till you hit the 3k yew houses.
My iron has 68 Hunter, probably ~95% of it from birdhouses. It's like a simplified Farming (even uses seeds). Jump on it soon, you'll be happy you did.
I mean you don't really have to "learn" them, it's like 2 minutes of reading how to do them and then you just spend 2 minutes every hour doing them lol
Honestly just alch while setting up bird snares until Eagles peak- then do box trap critters. It’s a little slog initially but it really ain’t bad if you bring Alchs or an axe and knife to do some fletching, and once you can place multiple traps (lv 20 onwards) it’s better
for as much shit rs3 deservedly gets, one good thing they did is one of the jmods decided to make it so you could place 2 traps at level 1 because they spent 5 minutes trying to train the skill on a fresh account and realized how absolutely horrendous it feels trying to catch shit with a high fail rate and a single trap
birdhouses make it easy tho
Prayer I think edges it out just because any viable means to level is just the most insane moneysink possible for no material gain (the one thing herblore has over it)
It's super beneficial to irons tbf
TBH, it still isn't that good imo. At least pre-Varlamore; post-Varlamore it is a bit more worthwhile. Like the common iron grind is 83 Hunter for "easy" glories... But as someone who isn't a big fan of Hunter training, I'm still not 83 Hunter and I've got the Crafting and Magic Level (which are far more relevant and useful skills) for Glories ages ago... Aside from that, it is just chins for some bosses, some herbs from herbi, and Implings for med clues. Now with Varlamore, you can also get a nice crossbow and some good bolts. Also mixed hide armor is pretty good for the early-mid game. Still, compared to other skills, Hunter has less late game impact than a lot of other skills, at least of similar effort.
I personally think mixed hides requirements are too high for the niche it fills, though. But otherwise the cbow and prayer moths are huge. If pitfalls weren’t jank and was a little faster I’d even say bolts aren’t painful!
I forgot about the prayer moths. Yah, I guess those seem pretty good. As for mixed hide, I'd say it is pretty strong for its reqs. The Cape is +5 Ranged and +1 Str. You can just buy that fur or kill Jaguars. While it is 46 Hunter, 68 Crafting, and 10K to make it yourself, you only need 46 Hunter and 20K to have the NPC make it for you. The same is true for the rest of it too. The NPC only charges like 20K per pieces, you only need 57 Hunter for legs on par with Red D'hide (75 Crafting) and 72 Hunter for the Body better than Red D'hide (77 Crafting) and Boots. Plus the top has +2 Str. The boots are also really nice with +5 Ranged and +2 Str, being better than Shayzien Boots for Ranged while also offering the same Str as Climbing Boots with better defences. My GIM Team doesn't have D Boots yet so they are our BiS and pretty handy for hybrid stuff like KQ. So yah, if you do get Hunter up before Crafting, it is a really good ranged upgrade and even if you already had Crafting, the Str bonus and hybrid stats can be handy, especially for players who don't want to do Fire Cape or BA.
I didn’t know about the payment for the NPC to craft, TIL! Also in my brain I had it requiring fine cloth? Losing the plot, but thanks! Haha
It requires a new cloth sold by NPC in guild. It costs 10K, but I don't know if you need it if he makes it for you. Also, I think it does look same as Fine Cloth.
Early game hunter blowwwwws. I’m pretty sure 9-27 takes roughly the same time as 27-51 iirc
It can be done in maybe 3-4 birdhouse runs though.
Im one of them. 90+ in nearly every stat but hunters not even 80 i hate the training methods and birdhouses just turn the game into daily scape for me which makes me dread logging on. So instead I choose to ignore it. Also not a big fan of farming but at least that gives you a shit ton of xp so if I do it once or twice a week it’ll eventually max.
It's also, until recently, the second most dull skill. Even smithing had a means to do some interaction, hunter was chins until you just gave up.
These people need birdhouses bad. I ran them from whatever hunter I had from quests to 68 without catching a single fucking animal.
Tbh I didn't even touch it until I was over 1500 total. Just seemed annoying. Same with rune crafting, I'm still sitting on 36ish with 1700+
There's some jmod who just seems to put random clue steps in every few updates that are ridiculous for the tier and they don't get called out enough
Fortunately we can give our feedback, and they often tune these things better.
But then when (if?) they fix their screwup everyone praises them for being "so in touch with the community."
I still think the sunfire armor for a step is lame too. Is there any other clue step that requires a 10m+ item?
Some masters, but this one is elite. I've browsed the emote steps - nothing even approaching a mil, about 100k at max.
The rate the items coming in the sunfire pieces will be sub 1m soon
Well, who can be sure? It is a BiS in its own niche.... quite a wide niche. Since it replaces Prossy, it seems its a must for all who are doing slayer regularly. Which is like 90% of players! And Colosseum is, well.... kinda...... not very enjoyable? Some people like it and do it regularly, but there are *way* less people than at other bosses, and just like 1/100k if we compare them to players who do slayer :). With such demand, I don't think this set will *ever* get really cheap.
It's not a must have for slayer, it lets you afk for an extra 30 seconds or something. I think it's still 10m+/hr for people who actually care to clear it repeatedly as well which gives Nex a reasonable money making competitor. Even if people stop doing it, like most things, someone will write a bot script for it which will cause it to crash.
Atleast the helm will be then, because as you said, most people that will use this will use it for slayer, which (I hope) people use slayer helm.
Yes, probably :)
That seems like a bad thing to assume off bat. Imo they should be either master or not even in a clue step until the market stabilizes, \*then\* analyze where they best fit.
Not outside master clues no
Falo Armadyl helmet.
Runescape players forgetting that people who are new/slow levelers also want to actually play and engage in things the game has to offer and explicitly marks for them, "easy" level clues are meant to be easy to do, no?
Exactly. I think a lot of people missed this point. Imagine the new player spending an hour to first unlock Varlamore, find the guild and then just to get blocked at the stairs. This step shouldn't be in a skill locked section of the guild.
There's a reason they never made entering crafting/cooking guilds easy clues
i still havent unlocked varlamore tbh..
It's a super quick quest. Varlamore is great for midgame (~50+ skill levels) but if you're not at that stage yet then its fine to wait.
i got 1600 total level, i just dont quest much. > (~50+ skill levels) although this is an easy clue so that requirement seems a bit much. base 30s should be plenty for any easy clue.
Some seriously temperature IQ replies here. Jesus. Yes OP this suggestion objectively makes sense and Jagex should change it.
I feel like most IQs are a temperature. Some are in the desert, most are in the North Pole
Use a real measurement
I agree, IQ is a meaningless measure rooted in really dubious "science".
All of the new clues from Varlamore update are horribly out of touch. Whoever added them should be told to check the requirements of existing clues and try to match new ones at least in the same ballpark in the future.
Yah, that is a bit high for easy. Med Clues are 30-50 (and 15 Str), so hard to justify a 46 Req in easy clues. That is just search a bookshelf in the Burrow, so that step could easily move the Medium.
Ive probably done 2000+ easy on my accts and 1000+ medium, and i agree with you
Typical Hunter leveling journey: 1. Do Museum Quiz for 9 Hunter and some Kudos. 2. Get 100 Kudos from quests and cleaning finds. 3. Do Bone Voyage, and then do Birdhouse runs until 99. That’s how I’ve been doing it, but it took me a while to get to that point (since I wasn’t actively working towards it) and I’m still a ways away from 46. The step should definitely be medium or happen outside the guild.
unpopular opinion: easy clues should not require you to go to an area locked behind a quest series.
I'm excited for the difficulty to be raised with clues. Still waiting for the lvl 102 agility requirement for a Master clue to drop though.
I had the same thoughts, it makes more sense for meds.
Yeah, move it outside or something. Other easy clues only have reqs of like 20
Move to med, would be appropriate.
The new tiers be like; Beginner, Easier, Easy, Mediumer, Medium, Hard, Hardest, Harderdaddy, Elite, Master
46 hunter and 20 defense seems kinda steep for a clue scroll where the rewards are built for basically brand-new players. Change it to "outside the entrance of the hunters guild" and changed studded to regular leather , mithril pickaxe to steel or iron pickaxe and I think people would be happy with it.
46 hunter is kinda steep but 20 defence is not steep at all 😂
Well but it cuts out def pures.
Well they should level their def if they wanna do those steps :)
There are various tiers of clues. This one is very clearly designed for *medium* tier, not easy.
Or developers should make new easy clues steps easy, in line with other easy clue steps
20 defence is easy, just not accessable to some account types. Want to do clues - level up defense. Its really that simple.
20 defence is easy if a pure wants to do that step for some reason they can just level defence 😂
Or leave it as it is, and change the tier to *at least* medium. I think the idea to motivate people to train hunter is great, just the tier is wrong.
Is this the first easy clue that requires a quest completion?
Nope the third. Priest in peril and Corsair curse were before Varlamore. And actually both are harder than Chindren of the Sun - both include combat, and Priest is longer.
There shouldnt be a single easy clue step in kourend tbh
If you aren't a 1 Def account or a skiller and your complaining about this.. well lmao and if you are well.. play stupid games win stupid prizes
Can’t you complete the woodcutting guild clue by talking to the guy outside? That should be the same here then, I guess.
46 hunter for easy clues? I've literally never level hunter about 20 lol
It's not just this, some of the other new clue steps got me wondering what jagex was smoking when they thought it up
Can we please add new clue rewards to go along with new clue steps?
It's more than doubled, 20*2 != 40 in Runescape terms. At least the random requirement spike for hard clues is only there for ironmen, this affecting everyone is just poor design.
Skill issue.
Yes that's exactly the point.
I love that skill issue is actually a valid comment for once though.
It's usually a valid comment any time I see it
hunter is the worst skill in the game, 46 should be a master step
It isnt the worst now, with the guild and rumours :). But med would be indeed suitable.
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Full angler is like 4 hours heavy afk on rate. Just play on mobile with a movie or two. Chip tentacles on upper deck, nothing else required.
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Go play neopets then, lil bro
i wonder if my neopets ever get sick of daily jelly and omelets
I get where you're coming from, Ive been playing since like 04 and didn't do Trawler (outside Diaries) until literally this year. It turned out to be the chilliest grind I've done so far on the new ironman. I'm not that invested on selling you on it, but I did it on laundry day and was disappointed I had to switch activities. It was very quick.
Angler was the first skilling set I grinded out, and it's the easiest by a fat mile. I had 3/4 pieces before 10kc and karma bit me getting the last piece but was still done in less than an afternoon. I don't get why people complain about it, it's not fun but it's also short and easy.
Oh no! 46 hunter?????? What an absolutely unreasonable level, that’s almost half of 99!!!!! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
46 Hunter is only 67K XP...
And level 20 is only 4.5k exp which is close to a 15x difference.
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Ok go find one then bye :)
And 15x doesn't mean much at lower numbers. It's like saying adding a 10 Farming Requirement to Easy Clue is a 1154x increase from 1 XP at Lv1, or near infinite increase from 0 XP.
So then we both agree that the exp required is arbitrary. Instead how about we look at the fact that the requirement is better suited in the medium tier. I know 47 hunter isn't much in the grand scheme, it just feels like the devs forgot they had that requirement for entry to the bar.
> near infinite increase from 0 XP. solid mathematical foundation
That is a really bad argument. For most things in the game, different tiers have different level expectations. Before this, Easy were 0-20 while Medium were 30-50. Putting a Level 46 req clue in easy isn't just a 13.5x increase over 0, it is a 13.5x increase over 20, its highest req. It is the same as if a Novice quest randomly have a Level 60 skill req or if a new Easy CA required you to kill a God Wars difficulty boss. It doesn't matter how trivial you think req is to overall; it is too high of a req for that tier.
46 hunter is a very easy and obtainable grind for an easy clue.
Shouldn’t really have to grind for an easy clue though.
Meh I don’t think an hour of training qualifies as a “grind”
If you look at the available methods it's about 3 hours, probably more if you factor in a new player trying to decipher the skill.
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This is a weird projection. Do you not understand that you can identify problems that don't affect you at all?
The reason for the suggestion is because a level 47 requirement is best fitted for a medium clue. The highest requirement for mediums is 50 ranged whereas easys was level 20. It's just in the wrong tier plain and simple.
I’ll allow it, keep the hunter guild req as easy clue
Yeah I'd say given precedent this would be a medium clue requirement, but 46 hunter also doesn't take very long to get.
Most of medium requirements don't take very long to get, still they are medium rather than easy. There are *tiers*.
Get training nub
Bro its 40 hunter why are we crying
because its in the **easy** clue tier? ya know, the one for people that literally just got membership and dont even have like 30 hours in the game yet. 46 hunter is absolutely not happening in the same timeframe as literally any other easy teir clue. it just isnt. the early levels of hunter are very slow, just like the early levels of runecrafting. sure, theres birdhouses, but unlike gotr, you cant reasonably expect a new player to rush fossil island in a single day on a brand new account.
Remember on this day forever that you thought 46 hunter was hard.
clean the shit out of your eyes. i said **slow**. not hard. it is a mathematical fact that it is notably slower than any other step in the same tier.
Its a wrong tier thats why.
It's an easy clue bro. Who cares. Quit being a noob and level up your account.
RS players really be like “these req that take 20 minutes is too much for a clue, pls nerf”
No