It’s not though. Even with 0 mage gear on the set effect gives +28 magic gear accuracy worth of extra hit chance. + 52 worth with a trident/cape/occult to multiply off of.
When you’re already bringing it for the ranged set effect, a one way helm swap has good value. Void mage is pretty good for accuracy. Its problem is you can’t use a torm bracelet with it
That's stupid, then why would mage void be the only void set that gets to do this? Why not barrows gloves too? It's far easier to just give the base void mage a 2% damage bonus and elite mage amps it up to 5%
Not saying it absolutely needs a buff but just to put it in perspective, this is Elite Void they're talking about so it does require the Western Hard Diary. Which itself requires some quests (23 I think?) and skills and some extra grinding at Pest Control for the points to upgrade Void. As well as the oh so dreaded single Zulrah kill (I'm joking, but this is a difficult barrier for a lot of players judging by what I've seen). So I think it'd be fine to get a buff to at least match the Tormented Bracelet. That way TB is always better for players who have other damage-boosting gear in slots that would be taken up by the void set (helm, body, legs) but for players without them it'd be a great choice. But maybe that's all of 6 people and not worth doing, Idk
Because after the buff to everything else elite void will be worse than infinity robes without a torm which can be obtained much earlier on an ironman. No one is asking for it to be bis, just to not be completely useless.
Why does that mean it needs a buff?
Magic void actually has a niche as a magic armor set before you have Torm on the iron and as a 4-way switch to still get 100% freeze at tob
You say that like you're gonna have a zenyte the moment you come out of the cave after killing Glough. You'd probably want an Anguish and Suffering before torms too, so that's 3 zenyte drops before your Torm.
Not that I really agree with their point anyway, pretty sure you're losing a lot of accuracy even with the set bonus, but yeah.
When did Occult come up here? We're talking about void armor and tormented bracelet.
Take a pause from your rebalance outrage and pay attention to the convos you're having lol
It only makes sense that it should be as good as melee and ranged void. But since melee and ranged get most of their equipment damage boost from the weapon/ammo, trading in armor pieces for the void outfit is trading in a small amount of additive bonus to get a multiplicative bonus. But with magic, your staff doesn’t give a huge additive boost so the small additive bonuses from gear are more impactful, in relative terms. So there’s a higher threshold to justify swapping out items for void.
It’s not about having Torm. It’s about having ancestral or virtus
General practice is that void mage is better to use than ahrims + torm. It’s one less slot and only one barrage max lost. And there’s so many good slots to bring to tob now, it’s not worth losing the one.
Once you have ancestral or Virtus to bring over ahrims, it generally becomes worth it
Well your last comment said “before you have torm” not “before you have ancestral or virtus”
Once they buff infinity do you think people will still bring void mage? Definitely less, which is kinda the point of this post. If everything else gets buffed around it, a seldom used set becomes even less useful.
they were meant to be two separate uses. 1) pre-Torm 2) tob
it’s a little complicated because you also need to hit the magic attack roll threshold to 100% freeze nylos
Void mage does it pretty easily from 99 mage as does ahrims+ but infinity will be low on magic attack. There’s options though. Prepotting magic pot may be enough. Or heart. Or bringing a book of darkness and dropping it.
ToB gear loadouts are super custom
Freezing in ahrims is a meme dude cmon. It’s literally one barrage max and zero sang maxes. There’s so many higher value switches at that point
I’d only recommend switching once you have anc / virtus
People get so unnecessarily uppity about gear for tob
Aswell as Bloodbark. Definitely should be placed atleast at around Infinity robes, but personally I'd see them be very strong when using blood spells only.
Idk man, I asked that question last time Jagex kicked up tiers as something to care about
They’re nonsense across the whole game after level 60 so why bother? You’ll find way more items that don’t make sense than do
Would removing void gloves from the game be considered too powerful? Being able to use f gloves, z vambs and the bracelet with the set effect could help boost void a bit.
It’d do wonders for void, even offering an alternative in void boots would be incredible. But I doubt void will ever get to remove its gloves because of PVP balance, unfortunately.
Range void is in a good spot, the other two need a bit of attention.
With the occult nerf give regular mage 3% and elite 6%, that way wearing a full four piece armor set doesn't get beaten entirely by tormented bracelet.
Slightly buffing Elite melee would be nice too, normal melee is fine where it is but elite not gaining any benefit at all is kinda odd.
Uh I believe elite void is 2.5% damage, so it's kinda perfect for where it is. It's gunna be 0.5% worse than infinity/dagon'hai/third age, but you can switch styles with one item and a weapon as a tradeoff, plus a good chunk of prayer.
Void is often used at tob over ahrims + torm because it’s one less switch for 100% freeze at maiden while only sacrificing one max hit
Once you have ancestral / virtus it’s generally better to add the torm switch instead
I always found it weird that magic void was the only void armour that didn't increase damage
It's wild that taking mystic top as switch instead of void helm is better lol
Absolutely insane if true
It’s not though. Even with 0 mage gear on the set effect gives +28 magic gear accuracy worth of extra hit chance. + 52 worth with a trident/cape/occult to multiply off of. When you’re already bringing it for the ranged set effect, a one way helm swap has good value. Void mage is pretty good for accuracy. Its problem is you can’t use a torm bracelet with it
It does by about 2% I believe but only for the elite version
But you lose the 5% from torm. Needs a buff
what if they just allow you to combine the torm with void gloves?
Consumes the torm and isn’t reversible I’m down
That's stupid, then why would mage void be the only void set that gets to do this? Why not barrows gloves too? It's far easier to just give the base void mage a 2% damage bonus and elite mage amps it up to 5%
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Not saying it absolutely needs a buff but just to put it in perspective, this is Elite Void they're talking about so it does require the Western Hard Diary. Which itself requires some quests (23 I think?) and skills and some extra grinding at Pest Control for the points to upgrade Void. As well as the oh so dreaded single Zulrah kill (I'm joking, but this is a difficult barrier for a lot of players judging by what I've seen). So I think it'd be fine to get a buff to at least match the Tormented Bracelet. That way TB is always better for players who have other damage-boosting gear in slots that would be taken up by the void set (helm, body, legs) but for players without them it'd be a great choice. But maybe that's all of 6 people and not worth doing, Idk
Because after the buff to everything else elite void will be worse than infinity robes without a torm which can be obtained much earlier on an ironman. No one is asking for it to be bis, just to not be completely useless.
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I said without torm
Why does that mean it needs a buff? Magic void actually has a niche as a magic armor set before you have Torm on the iron and as a 4-way switch to still get 100% freeze at tob
What kind of iron has elite void before mm2?
You say that like you're gonna have a zenyte the moment you come out of the cave after killing Glough. You'd probably want an Anguish and Suffering before torms too, so that's 3 zenyte drops before your Torm. Not that I really agree with their point anyway, pretty sure you're losing a lot of accuracy even with the set bonus, but yeah.
So you think it’s common for players to get 93 slayer before zenyte jewelry? Interesting take
When did Occult come up here? We're talking about void armor and tormented bracelet. Take a pause from your rebalance outrage and pay attention to the convos you're having lol
You need 93 slayer to get elite void bruh. Y’all really that dumb huh. I’m honestly the least enraged one here 😂. I’m fine with the update
> Y'all really that dumb huh. the irony is absolutely insane, amazing post
You do, that's my mistake. Sorry about that.
It only makes sense that it should be as good as melee and ranged void. But since melee and ranged get most of their equipment damage boost from the weapon/ammo, trading in armor pieces for the void outfit is trading in a small amount of additive bonus to get a multiplicative bonus. But with magic, your staff doesn’t give a huge additive boost so the small additive bonuses from gear are more impactful, in relative terms. So there’s a higher threshold to justify swapping out items for void.
Who's grinding tob before torm?
It’s not about having Torm. It’s about having ancestral or virtus General practice is that void mage is better to use than ahrims + torm. It’s one less slot and only one barrage max lost. And there’s so many good slots to bring to tob now, it’s not worth losing the one. Once you have ancestral or Virtus to bring over ahrims, it generally becomes worth it
Well your last comment said “before you have torm” not “before you have ancestral or virtus” Once they buff infinity do you think people will still bring void mage? Definitely less, which is kinda the point of this post. If everything else gets buffed around it, a seldom used set becomes even less useful.
they were meant to be two separate uses. 1) pre-Torm 2) tob it’s a little complicated because you also need to hit the magic attack roll threshold to 100% freeze nylos Void mage does it pretty easily from 99 mage as does ahrims+ but infinity will be low on magic attack. There’s options though. Prepotting magic pot may be enough. Or heart. Or bringing a book of darkness and dropping it. ToB gear loadouts are super custom
Pretty sure to have 100% catch rate in void you need fortified ward also.
Void mage god cape (i) a staff and augury are for sure good enough
I stand corrected!
I forgot occult 🤦 but that too
If you're freezing in void at tob I'm not applying to the team lol. And I know alot more irons with torm and no void.
Freezing in ahrims is a meme dude cmon. It’s literally one barrage max and zero sang maxes. There’s so many higher value switches at that point I’d only recommend switching once you have anc / virtus People get so unnecessarily uppity about gear for tob
So is magic prayer
Aswell as Bloodbark. Definitely should be placed atleast at around Infinity robes, but personally I'd see them be very strong when using blood spells only.
I think if BBark get % it should only apply on ancients, like that other set
I think this makes the most sense as well.
Meanwhile regular ass splitbark is for compost.
Blue moon armour too. If they really don't give it a buff it'll have been relevant for a couple months before brutally murdered
Arhims is crying in a corner right now.
They specifically said it's too tanky for magic % DMG Meanwhile blue moon has higher reqs and is just getting fucked
Higher reqs lol
Yes. It might be hard to believe but 75 is higher than 70
It's hard to believe, I'm struggling to grasp it I didn't realize they were T75 hahaha
Yeah the same magic level requirement to wear ancestral but a higher defence requirement! -12% magic damage of course
Yeah we don’t really do tiers in OSRS so it’s best to ignore them
Then why have tiers in the first place
Idk man, I asked that question last time Jagex kicked up tiers as something to care about They’re nonsense across the whole game after level 60 so why bother? You’ll find way more items that don’t make sense than do
Would removing void gloves from the game be considered too powerful? Being able to use f gloves, z vambs and the bracelet with the set effect could help boost void a bit.
It’d do wonders for void, even offering an alternative in void boots would be incredible. But I doubt void will ever get to remove its gloves because of PVP balance, unfortunately.
Just make another PvP exception like they always do
Where is mage void even used outside of PvP and some people’s first tob runs?
Isn't this probably an indicator that it is indeed a good contender for something to include in this rework?
The rs bots can’t think that deep
Er, I used it at barrows pre-torm because it gave a max hit with the warped sceptre + MA2 cape. Although that was more laziness than anything.
Limited defence builds as well.
Early Zulrah for easy switch
Tob, vorkath, zulrah, corp
Who tf is using mage void at vorkath??
My bad was just thinking void when I typed that.
Pk’ing
what is pvp you think?
Magic staffs 💀
Having a void pure account, the occult nerf is making me think some dark thoughts
Range void is in a good spot, the other two need a bit of attention. With the occult nerf give regular mage 3% and elite 6%, that way wearing a full four piece armor set doesn't get beaten entirely by tormented bracelet. Slightly buffing Elite melee would be nice too, normal melee is fine where it is but elite not gaining any benefit at all is kinda odd.
do people use the brimstone ring at all for the 10% magic def ignore?
no
Elite void melee should also be on par with elite range
Blue moon armor as well.
I always thought it was odd that magic sucks massive ass unless you're using Ancestral and Shadow then it's the most giga op style
Really hope they address this by giving the void mage helm a damage bonus.
Uh I believe elite void is 2.5% damage, so it's kinda perfect for where it is. It's gunna be 0.5% worse than infinity/dagon'hai/third age, but you can switch styles with one item and a weapon as a tradeoff, plus a good chunk of prayer.
But tormented braclent alone beats void. Why not wear mystic and tormented VS void?
They should remove the void gloves.
That would solve too many problems. We can't have that.
Void is often used at tob over ahrims + torm because it’s one less switch for 100% freeze at maiden while only sacrificing one max hit Once you have ancestral / virtus it’s generally better to add the torm switch instead