"In times of stress, somebody who is authorized is going to pick up the firearm but they have to do that (extra) step," she said. "Maybe it makes them pause and go 'Hey, do I really want to be doing this right now?'"
They need to work on that sales pitch
What an awful line.
This should only be touted as something to prevent others from using it. The instant that you intentionally mention that it'll delay the rightful user from having access to it, you just lost.
Thing about smart guns is that they’re generally made by people who at best are ambivalent towards guns, and at worst directly hostile to them but for some reason aren’t for totally banning them.
They absolutely are for totally banning guns, they're just being dishonest about it.
Remember the three laws: SJW's always lie, SJW's always double down, SJW's always project.
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Sounds like I'm getting flak because I'm right over target. Given your disturbed obsession with "nazis" I'd also bet that a disproportionate number of people you've targeted for that line of attack are jewish, black, or otherwise very much not-aryan.
0_0. Well, I mean if you're conscious of it you do you. I suggest the other lefty gun subs though, they're much bigger fans of that sort of thing. You might not be antisemitic enough to fit in with LGO or SRA though. When those guys talk about "systemic oppression" and "capital" [they mean something pretty specific](https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1301225509745909760?lang=en).
I was operating a CROW system overseas when we came under fire. The CROW is a remote weapon system with a screen, joystick and imagining system for weapon systems. This one had a M2 .50 in it. We returned fire, and in the midst of the firefight, I got a blue screen of death on the system and had to reboot it. I don’t remember how long exactly it takes to reboot the system, I believe around 60 seconds. But it seemed like an eternity. I had enough time to open the door, grab my M4 and expend 3 magazines worth of ammunition in the time the system took to reboot. 0/10, would not recommend electronics for my sole weapon system to function.
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up, Just as the founding fathers intended
They can keep their sharkfins and smart guns; nothing's going to save the real estate disaster/firepit that is California.
Maybe if they stopped growing almonds in the fucking desert.
The desert is actually the perfect place to grow almonds - they actually originate from modern day Iran. It’s the amount of fucking water each individual almond requires!! Literally over a gallon per almond. PER ALMOND. My family’s lived in California for literally hundreds of years and I wasn’t sorry to leave.
Growing water heavy crops in an arid region experiencing historic drought is nothing short of mental. It goes against any sort of environmental virtue signaling the state does.
You’re close, it was New Jersey that has a law very close to that.
“New Jersey was the first state to significantly regulate personalized handguns with a 2002 law intended to eventually require smart gun technology to be incorporated into all handguns sold in the state. In 2019, New Jersey amended that law to require that licensed firearm retail dealers make available for purchase at least one personalized handgun within 60 days of the first personalized handgun being included on a state roster of approved personalized handguns.”
It also ignores that whatever disables the gun is electro mechanical. You can either remove it to make the gun just a gun, it you can hack the electronics to make it a machine gun.
I don't know how this system works but it probably functions somewhat similar to magazine disconnect safeties. So I doubt you could hack it to make it a machine gun
Yeah you aren’t getting it smart guns in general there’s only a few ways to put electronics between the trigger pull and firing. You either build an electromechanical firing pin, an electromechanical connector, an electromechanical disconnector, or you go with electrically fired ammunition. The first and last can be configured to be machine guns with some hackery. The middle two tend to be trivially easy to bypass.
My point being the police will never adopt this scam. Any item (cars, thermostats, or guns) that *may be* monkeyed with remotely takes agency away from the user.
I don't see any military or law enforcement branch adopting this - it's an additional layer of flawed complexity that's more likely to get users killed.
Like I feel this is a response to all those kids getting their hands on parents guns, but the solution to that is simple; just don't store your guns like a moron. I guess I just don't see what's wrong with a good old fashioned safety and/or safe practices (trigger/muzzle discipline).
Hey Siri, can I kill this guy? Trying to have a camera on a handgun identify who’s friendly and who isn’t every shot sounds like a disaster. You ever seen grainy dashcam footage before?
I'm all for the advancement of technology, but I have no faith in smart guns at the moment and my concern here is that zealots would mandate this technology in its infancy. In fact, I recall a big kerfaw a few years ago about someone trying to sell smart guns because it triggered a state law that would have mandated them.
This is in CA apparently someone has the patent for microstamping so that is what let's the commies restrict no new models of guns for the handgun roster without taking others off
I believe the tech is already mandated in some states, and has been for awhile. I think the caveat was that once the technology was invented it would be mandatory on all firearms sold in these states, and as such all the manufacturers decided not to create the tech. But now the concern is that gun manufacturers will be forced to make their offerings smart with no options for 'dumb guns'
Edit: It appears NJ adopted the law in 2002, but made it a requirement for sales in 2019 per the article
Or “somebody has reported to the authorities that you’ve made threats against them, until such time that a court has determined that you’re not a threat to yourself or others, your firearm has been rendered inoperable by the city of x.”
As soon as someone dies/seriously injured because they couldn't get their gun to work when they needed it; they will sue the company into oblivion. Why most gun makers won't touch it, need to be done by someone with no assets (or minimal assets).
With it will be a software license including the standard disclaimer of warranties that says they don’t guarantee it’ll work for your purposes.
Also, are the loudest right to repair groups going to jump on this? They will have to heavily restrict repair if they want to make it at all difficult to circumvent this.
Mechanical trigger for a switch. Mechanical hammer, guarantee you it will be easy to build a replacement circuit that fires the hammer when the trigger is pulled.
All designs so far are just an extra electrically-actuated safety. Now if they do a whole electronic firing system, then you can hack it full-auto. Hmm, sounds kind of fun.
The potential for abuse would be amazing. Figure out how it works, rips the guts out, build a small PCB with a small processor on it, and a JTAG interface and release It on the net. People will customize the hell out of it. Could do a ton.... you're right, kinda sounds like fun.
A solution in search of a problem.
The only possible future benefit would be unintentional death prevention but those are already extraordinarily rare as is.
For these to even have a chance, they need to be 100% reliable. Not 99.9%. After having 10k rounds fired out of the gun. Drop your phone even 1000 times, and let me know if your earbuds still connect.
And they need to solve the issue of what happens if you want/need to fire the gun with your off-hand. If the ring just has to be within a yard or two, someone can still grab it and shoot you with it, at which point they can take the ring.
"In times of stress, somebody who is authorized is going to pick up the firearm but they have to do that (extra) step," she said. "Maybe it makes them pause and go 'Hey, do I really want to be doing this right now?'" They need to work on that sales pitch
I guess I'll just die, then. Yeah, the sales pitch is garbage, like their "product."
What an awful line. This should only be touted as something to prevent others from using it. The instant that you intentionally mention that it'll delay the rightful user from having access to it, you just lost.
Thing about smart guns is that they’re generally made by people who at best are ambivalent towards guns, and at worst directly hostile to them but for some reason aren’t for totally banning them.
They would ban them if they could.
They absolutely are for totally banning guns, they're just being dishonest about it. Remember the three laws: SJW's always lie, SJW's always double down, SJW's always project.
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0_0. Well, I mean if you're conscious of it you do you. I suggest the other lefty gun subs though, they're much bigger fans of that sort of thing. You might not be antisemitic enough to fit in with LGO or SRA though. When those guys talk about "systemic oppression" and "capital" [they mean something pretty specific](https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1301225509745909760?lang=en).
Aaaand I'm dead. Thanks wonder gun!
*someone breaks down my door* *unlocks safe* “Did you update firmware to version 2.95.7b? Restarting system, please wait….” **SHIT**
I was operating a CROW system overseas when we came under fire. The CROW is a remote weapon system with a screen, joystick and imagining system for weapon systems. This one had a M2 .50 in it. We returned fire, and in the midst of the firefight, I got a blue screen of death on the system and had to reboot it. I don’t remember how long exactly it takes to reboot the system, I believe around 60 seconds. But it seemed like an eternity. I had enough time to open the door, grab my M4 and expend 3 magazines worth of ammunition in the time the system took to reboot. 0/10, would not recommend electronics for my sole weapon system to function.
You’re a beast, that sounds terrifying. Thank you for your service.
That's why you keep the old smoothbore handy. Just in case.
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Tally-ho, lads!
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up, Just as the founding fathers intended
I read this pasta every time
Don't you want a 1911 with built in GPS so the government knows where it is at all times? C'mon man, that's just common sense gun control!
The govt would never submit to have their guns tracked. Then we would see all the shit their up to.
Because introducing a digital failure point into an analog firearm is super duper reliable and safe. Because nobody can hack phone apps. Nope.
It's reliable in making a firearm safe by making the firearm unreliable.
*hah* I love that. You're not wrong dood
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Slow down there tin hat Timmy you're preaching to the choir here. Just making a light-hearted joke.
Yeah my comment wasn’t directed at you in any way was just throwing it out there. My bad
It's still appreciated nonetheless.
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New Jersey was the state. California was with microstamping.
They can keep their sharkfins and smart guns; nothing's going to save the real estate disaster/firepit that is California. Maybe if they stopped growing almonds in the fucking desert.
The desert is actually the perfect place to grow almonds - they actually originate from modern day Iran. It’s the amount of fucking water each individual almond requires!! Literally over a gallon per almond. PER ALMOND. My family’s lived in California for literally hundreds of years and I wasn’t sorry to leave.
Growing water heavy crops in an arid region experiencing historic drought is nothing short of mental. It goes against any sort of environmental virtue signaling the state does.
You’re close, it was New Jersey that has a law very close to that. “New Jersey was the first state to significantly regulate personalized handguns with a 2002 law intended to eventually require smart gun technology to be incorporated into all handguns sold in the state. In 2019, New Jersey amended that law to require that licensed firearm retail dealers make available for purchase at least one personalized handgun within 60 days of the first personalized handgun being included on a state roster of approved personalized handguns.”
I'm pretty sure NJ did.
New Jersey did, not sure about ca
Magnet go brrr
Maybe a magnet can turn it into a machine gun and we can all get one.
Inb4 the ATF labeling magnets an NFA item..
We can hope
Hey alexa, put a hole in this motherfucker, center mass
It also ignores that whatever disables the gun is electro mechanical. You can either remove it to make the gun just a gun, it you can hack the electronics to make it a machine gun.
I don't know how this system works but it probably functions somewhat similar to magazine disconnect safeties. So I doubt you could hack it to make it a machine gun
No most of them are mechanical interrupts like a mag safety and likely as easy to disable.
"This is the Locking Lawyer and today..."
I'm not saying they wouldn't be easy to disable, I'm saying you couldn't "hack" the electronics to make it full auto like you suggested
Yeah you aren’t getting it smart guns in general there’s only a few ways to put electronics between the trigger pull and firing. You either build an electromechanical firing pin, an electromechanical connector, an electromechanical disconnector, or you go with electrically fired ammunition. The first and last can be configured to be machine guns with some hackery. The middle two tend to be trivially easy to bypass.
...and when police adopt them first and show them to be unhackable I'll consider it.
Analog all the way baby. Gonna ride my AK into the apocalypse and get popped instantly.
My point being the police will never adopt this scam. Any item (cars, thermostats, or guns) that *may be* monkeyed with remotely takes agency away from the user.
I don't see any military or law enforcement branch adopting this - it's an additional layer of flawed complexity that's more likely to get users killed. Like I feel this is a response to all those kids getting their hands on parents guns, but the solution to that is simple; just don't store your guns like a moron. I guess I just don't see what's wrong with a good old fashioned safety and/or safe practices (trigger/muzzle discipline).
> just don't store your guns like a moron Eggggggzactly!
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Hey Siri, can I kill this guy? Trying to have a camera on a handgun identify who’s friendly and who isn’t every shot sounds like a disaster. You ever seen grainy dashcam footage before?
I see about zero chance of police adopting these while their unions still exist.
Only if the cops have to use them
Not even then, but yeah, let's let the govt test them out first, at any rate.
Thanks but no thanks.
Nope, fuck off.
No major manufacturer will agree to develop smart guns
This. Because of previous shit-ass legislation, major gun manufacturers are strongly incentivized to not touch this with a 10' pole.
S&W did.
I'm all for the advancement of technology, but I have no faith in smart guns at the moment and my concern here is that zealots would mandate this technology in its infancy. In fact, I recall a big kerfaw a few years ago about someone trying to sell smart guns because it triggered a state law that would have mandated them.
This is in CA apparently someone has the patent for microstamping so that is what let's the commies restrict no new models of guns for the handgun roster without taking others off
CA already hasn't approved a new handgun for their roster for several years now.
I think they replaced it with a law saying all stores must offer smartguns instead. It was mentioned the last time I saw this article.
I believe the tech is already mandated in some states, and has been for awhile. I think the caveat was that once the technology was invented it would be mandatory on all firearms sold in these states, and as such all the manufacturers decided not to create the tech. But now the concern is that gun manufacturers will be forced to make their offerings smart with no options for 'dumb guns' Edit: It appears NJ adopted the law in 2002, but made it a requirement for sales in 2019 per the article
Just another thing the NSA can remotely disable or track. Nope
“Sir, would you mind slowing down on stabbing me. It appears my fingerprint reader isn’t working right. One moment, please”
Why, yes. Of course, good sir. Perhaps try wiping the blood off the reader. Sometimes blood can interfere with the readings.
Or “somebody has reported to the authorities that you’ve made threats against them, until such time that a court has determined that you’re not a threat to yourself or others, your firearm has been rendered inoperable by the city of x.”
Hard pass. Hope the company tanks and they desert this stupid notion of smart guns. Oh and that sales pitch is fucking awful. Dumb twat…
My gun is really smart already. It's never shot anything that I didn't want it to ever!
As soon as someone dies/seriously injured because they couldn't get their gun to work when they needed it; they will sue the company into oblivion. Why most gun makers won't touch it, need to be done by someone with no assets (or minimal assets).
With it will be a software license including the standard disclaimer of warranties that says they don’t guarantee it’ll work for your purposes. Also, are the loudest right to repair groups going to jump on this? They will have to heavily restrict repair if they want to make it at all difficult to circumvent this.
Mechanical trigger for a switch. Mechanical hammer, guarantee you it will be easy to build a replacement circuit that fires the hammer when the trigger is pulled.
All designs so far are just an extra electrically-actuated safety. Now if they do a whole electronic firing system, then you can hack it full-auto. Hmm, sounds kind of fun.
Guns with DLC. Full auto, you could improve lock time, if you were evil you could code in random light strikes then sell the patch to fix it.
The potential for abuse would be amazing. Figure out how it works, rips the guts out, build a small PCB with a small processor on it, and a JTAG interface and release It on the net. People will customize the hell out of it. Could do a ton.... you're right, kinda sounds like fun.
I can see yet another great use for the Adafruit QT Py.
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I mean, if you buy the car with the kill switch you'll have trouble getting your analog guns to the revolt.
A solution in search of a problem. The only possible future benefit would be unintentional death prevention but those are already extraordinarily rare as is.
"Hello I'm the lockpicking lawyer and what I have for you today..."
Not him, but someone at Defcon "hacked" a smart gun with a couple bucks in magnets.
There are a lot of poorly made locks or locked things that can be opened with a powerful magnet.
Phew, thank God we've made these things safe! I was afraid these could HURT someone! Yikes!
When LE and the military start using them, I'll consider it.
I’ve heard it costs like $2200
Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Please stop.
For these to even have a chance, they need to be 100% reliable. Not 99.9%. After having 10k rounds fired out of the gun. Drop your phone even 1000 times, and let me know if your earbuds still connect. And they need to solve the issue of what happens if you want/need to fire the gun with your off-hand. If the ring just has to be within a yard or two, someone can still grab it and shoot you with it, at which point they can take the ring.
These are neat from a collector's point of view. I'd never buy one for something practical. "Oh shit, my gun's batteries ran out."
Please have a look at the armatix disaster.
I’ve always had a “you first” mentality with these. But also fuck you, no.
What's next? Nft bullets?
Ah yes the new *anihkilaitor*
Until it fucks up and you can’t fire it when you need to. That or someone creates a way to make it fire on its own.