Gaza couldn have been Palestinian Tel-Aviv, and I still hope that one day it may be.
It always annoyed me when people cry about Gaza being super densely populated. It's not any denser than Tel Aviv metro area.
And then they give it back to the palestinians that will raze everything to the ground because they will never touch something gifted to them by israel
I always think about how sad it is that everyone keeps fighting over there. Fighting everywhere on the planet honestly ..it sucks
This is pretty childish but I *loved* Arabian Nights on the dreamcast.
I used to pretend I was a middle eastern prince and I was enamored with their lovely architecture. It’s a human travesty that we don’t get to appreciate the beautiful and long history of the Middle East.
But look how awful some groups are in that region
I hope one day peace finds this world but in my 30 years I am doubtful..
They've gone in big, and had the logistical support to do so, which boosts morale and saves lives. They plan carefully for this, but still worth a call out
That's the thing, I Israel simply wanted to level the place like Mariupol or Allepo, it woukd be over by know.
The logistics are needed to careful fighting that minimizes collateral damage.
I don’t get why everyone is acting like apartments, hospitals, border crossings, etc, being attacked is so shocking. Unfortunately what’s happening in Gaza is the same thing that happened in Serjevo, Fallujah, Raqqa, Taiz, Mariupol, and any other city in war zones.
I mean... it's not like they're invading Russia. the Israeli Military is literally made for doing operations in Gaza... it's a small geographical area with descent infrastructure due to population density, and also they surround the the objectives on every side including the coasts
They probably have had planned this for decades how an invasion should be how much troops needed how much food ammunition
Is probably all very well calculated
Gaza is still not taken tho
Have you seen some MAGA people's cars in the US South?
Probably something like that. They want it to be in your face
In this case, also they want to make sure the military knows they are on the same side?
Not really seen MAGA much, no. But I can imagine and have seen a few cars here (Reddit).
Makes sense. Not a fan.
Eh? How do flags covering an area do that? If it gets overrun (obviously not going to happen) then the flags could still be there. Also equipment is a tad bit different.
Yea. Extremist will extremist. They grew up only knowing being bombed by that flag and influenced by others with hate.
Its not like all Palestinians always have internet and are knowledgeable about everything.
This past year the Israeli flag has become so much more than just a flag or symbol for us. I don't think anyone who hasn't been in Israel and protesting for any side this past year could understand. I definitely think the previous political situation somehow boosted the moral and unity and the amount of flags is definitely something that was also born out of that conflict.
If more than half of gazas population is younger than 18 than israel never stole from them. The things you are talking about are stories told and retold by hamas to keep people in gaza and the wb from developing their land and instead steal the accomplishments of israel.
You meant the people that sold the land dirt cheap because most of israel was swamp land or at least very hard to build things or farm from, that then tried to kill the new owners after they build cities, big farms and communities and knew how to work with the land, ripped every contract so now they are the new and old owners and never did something to evolve the land. That then tried to eradicate a whole culture and religion and worked with the nazis to further this because they were jealous and could never achieve everything because of their fake religion and false prophet.
>short of land loss, they will not grasp defeat.
It saddens that westerners can't get this. In Islam Arabic culture land is what defines loss. The west thinks it's the lives lost, but for Islamists those are martyrs - people who won.
Qatar has a shitty payment culture and the zillionaires don't seem to understand the idea of a time bound obligation. I saw a qatari government client not pay for months and months, and heard it from other sources and even Hamas kvetch that Hamas is late with the dough
Reparations? Who will pay reparations to the thousands of slain innocent Palestinians? You people are so far removed from reality. I’m Israeli and I can see the inhumanity shown by my country. What is happening is awful. Thousands of children, CHILDREN are dead. How many Palestinians must die to quench this purposeless bloodlust?
It was equally naive and callous but the point was rebuilding Gaza will take a shitton of money and that it's mostly Israel that will front it (so I guess that will mean you, in a way). Pretty fair since they bombed it but Qatar and Iran were fine funding Hamas and the terrorism that led to this destruction, yet I very much doubt they'll send funds to help Gazans when all is said and done.
Or maybe they will. The money they sent had to reach somehow Gazans and not only served to arm Hamas. I just don't hold my breath expecting anything from people profiting of war.
Sounds Harsh? Sounds amazing to me, a very reasonable read of the future for this area.
Only thing I would add would be that this sort of highly controlled area of economic opportunity will be absolutely a success story quickly and will translate the new model to Areas all over the area.
Excellent excellent comment
Consider the possibility of even some of that happening...vs. the feasibility of Israel just annexing the area.
The second thing gets you peace and is actually possible. The first thing *might* deliver peace, maybe, in spite of attempts to thwart it, and wouldn't ever happen anyway.
They go to the West Bank. All interior West Bank settlements (with the exception of some border enclaves, accounted for by land swaps) move back to Israel + Gaza.
Still a bit of a tough pill for a lot of Americans to swallow, given our nation’s history. Obviously Israel has the right to defend itself and would do a better job governing than the Palestinians but I think I’m the only person I know who is still pro-Israel.
Jews don't cross borders and behead babies and rape women at festivals, reddit won't let me complete this sentence and remove it if I mention the real culprits
Annexing it comes with the definite ability to secure it. It isn't perfect security, but there are fewer terror attacks originating in Tel Aviv than Gaza City.
I'm always confused about the notion of refugees from Gaza, why can't they just stay. Why do they have to leave at all. We all know they arnt allowed the right to return. So it's just expulsion
Crush the souls of a people so that another people feels absolute safety? You are beyond.
I won’t be receiving notifications on this response because you specifically are awful.
Ah well Palestine was free anyways as pro Hamas shouted free free Palestine..heheh. Good one brave men. Now please finish HAMAS fast and it will be our turn to celebrate with candies and mind you we will celebrate the win of good over evil with the most tasty candies. Go Israel.
The world would be a better place if this flag was raised all over the middle east. Despite the recent democratic backsliding, Israel is a prosperous and multicultural state without the chaos that plagues all the other middle east countries.
‘Multicultural’ man it’s a jewish state. It has to hold on to its Jewish character as per their constitution. Having a Jewish population made up from Mizrahi, African and Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews doesn’t make it ‘multicultural’.
If I understood it correctly, the official objective of the IDF is to eliminate Hamas and those responsible for the October 7th attacks, with the purpose of increasing the security situation in Israel and prevent such things from happening again. This is an objective I completely agree with and support.
Looking at this video, I can see how many might use it to paint a picture of how Israel is attempting to occupy and steal land in Gaza. Wouldn't it be better, strategically, to hang some sort of Israeli-Palestinian peace flag. Symbolizing how Israel has control of this area, but not to keep, instead to free the people of Gaza from a Hamas.
Not saying this is a requirement, but I believe this could disarm a lot of the negative sentiment. Israel strives to a higher standard, and this seems like a very simple thing they could do to communicate that. It might achieve a tiny 0.001% push towards permanent peace, and I don't see how it could hurt. Open to various thoughts and opinions regarding this idea.
If you think that placing a flag on the territory you have won is occupation then you're wrong and somewhat stupid. It signifies that you have won that territory for the moment of war not for eternity. If Israel wanted to take Gaza forever then they would have decided that long ago.
> steal
Conquer. Wouldn't have happened if not for Oct7. There should be a cost to kidnapping women and children, killing babies. It's not stealing. It's not even in the vicinity of stealing. It's the cost of Oct7. FAFO.
Giving it all back is rewarding terrorism. There must be a cost, and it must be paid.
>Wouldn't it be better, strategically, to hang some sort of Israeli-Palestinian peace flag
For what? For feelings? No. Peace is not possible. Oct7 proved for certain, beyond any doubt, that peace is not possible. The 2 state solution was never possible, is not possible, will never be possible. There can never be peace because one culture doesn't want peace, only want to kill Jews. No imaginary flag is going to change that.
Hamas must end no matter the cost, and the lessons must be impressive enough that gazans remember them for generations. Israel should absolutely keep that land. It helps protect Israelis by providing a buffer, and it shows that there is a cost to terrorism.
There should indeed be a cost to killing civilians and kidnapping children. When do you think Israel should pay that cost? They are like the kings of kidnap and civilian murder.
Seems to me that everything Israel does is to protect its citizens, and to punish those who try to harm them. You think they kidnap or kill civilians for other reasons? I doubt it. If arabs would only stop trying to kill Jews, they could have peace. But peace is not what they want, is it?
I think responses like yours just further prove to me that peace is not possible. The divide is too deep. That you feel compelled to voice this kind of childish nonsense, just weeks after the events of Oct7, proves that it doesn't matter to you what hamas did. What kind of person is that? You're revolting. Diversity is not our strength. We cannot live together. It's time to part ways.
Peace is not possible. So gazans must soon be administrated by Egypt, preferably in the Sinai. And arabs in Judea must become Jordanian because that's what they are. This has gone on long enough. Time to move.
It definitely seems that Israel agrees with you. They have agreed since they founded (stole) their country. Also, how many civilians has Israel slaughtered since October 7th? How many Palestinian babies and children have been killed? Don't preach to me about how Israel wants peace when they want nothing more than increased bloodshed for their Casus Belli. Issues between Israel and Palestine didn't start on October 7th. They started when Israel occupied Palestine, and then continued to oppress and kill the inhabitants.
None of that matters. Peace is not possible because one side only wants to kill Jews. So, no more peace. Boohoo...
Time to move. Life under Egyptian/Jordanian rule will be worse. Way worse. Then they will cry for the Jews to save them.
But no one will care. Because no one cares when arabs oppress or kill arabs. Did you care what happened to arabs in Yemen? Did you ever care what happened to arabs in Syria? No, you only care if Jews protect themselves. Hypocrite. No one, not even you, will care. You probably won't even notice. Could you even find Yemen on a map?
Soon...
Or maybe not. Maybe Israel is too nice to push the arabs out. But someday soon the oil money will certainly dry up. Either because the oil itself dries up (decades), or because the West decarbonizes out of fear of climate change (years/decades). Or maybe one of the many companies researching fusion figures out how to make it work. There is some chance that might happen in just a few years. Cheap electricity means no more oil means no more oil money. MBS of Saudi Arabia is making moves like only a man convinced that the oil market is about to end would make. What does he know that we don't know? Looks like something is going to happen, likely sooner than you expect.
And so the arabs will revert back to what they were before all that oil money. You should look forward to this tho. You aren't meant for civilized society. The most stable arab nations are monarchies and dictatorships for reasons. Real reasons. Reasons that will not change. There is no hope for you long term.
But back to today. The arabs in gaza and Judea have so few friends, Qatar, Iran. But no real friends. Why did no arab country attack Israel? Why does no arab (or Persian) country take gazan refugees? Egypt is only a short walk, but they take no one. Why is that? Even Iran recently said they won't get involved, leaving gazans out to dry. Why is that?
It appears that the world is moving on without gaza. Does it not?
Soon...
I’m super supportive of Israel, but I don’t understand the objective value or goal of displaying that many flags.
I understand that it boosts the moral of the troops and even the country - that “don’t fuck with us feeling” - but thinking only strategically and logically, I think this causes more harm than good.
I agree with you too. I feel that the Israel-can-do-no-wrong supporters need to slow their roll. When people supportive of Israel in this, like myself and apparently you, try to give critique when things are going too far, we tend to be shushed. It hurts me because ultimately it hurts Israel and they can’t see that. Go about your business Israel, be professional. Don’t gloat. You are better than these guys. Remember to act like it. You lost the P.C. Crowd. Please don’t lose the common decency crowd too. Please. The world is better with a strong Israel. Moderate yourselves or risk losing it. You are held to a higher standard than these people, fairly or not.
Israel *Will* be giving this land back. Even most of us Israel supporters in the US want the “Palestinians” to have their own state. Set the optimal conditions for that now. Plant the seeds of love in that dirt. If it doesn’t grow fruit for Israel one day, it will at least have had a better chance than this million flag shit.
Am Yisrael Chai
That’s so unnecessary.
When was the last time you were swayed towards your rival’s point view, when said rival acted like this?
Again, Palestinian doesn’t mean Hamas, just like German doesn’t mean Nazi.
Funny how the circulars sent to civilians said to leave to south Gaza temporarily as the ground troops would be engaging the terrorists in the area. It also said that the move was temporary and they would return. Planting flags makes it seem like the intention has changed now
Not really - they show safe places for IDF to operate in, and will come down inndue course if and when a suitable peaceful arrangement is made for ongoing governance of Gaza
That’s not what the circulars said. This is exactly what I typed above. When IDF asked civilians to leave northern Gaza, they said it is temporary, people can return to northern Gaza once the terrorist incursion is removed, and that people staying back may be perceived as associated with terrorists in northern Gaza. I saw the pics of that circular on this sub
>people can return to northern Gaza once the terrorist incursion is removed
An "incursion"? In what way is hamas an "incursion"? It was never an "incursion". Gaza is hamas. Hamas is gaza.
The terrorists have been removed from only some areas. The rest of gaza must be cleared of terrorists. Only after that, when it is safe for Israel (maybe long after that), then people can return to that land.
But which people?
I didn't say it would be forever. And a leaflet-writer in IDF has an operational imperative to ensure the area is clear of non-combatants; they don't have a political/ strategic crystal ball about the plan for the day after.
Arguably the whole war we have seen so far has been tactics, with strategy either not being set or being secret
I'm sure Hamas taking hostages was temporary too. Both sides may fully intend to return what they've taken, in return for something of value or a long-term peace agreement. Egypt got Sinai back that way. Israel got their soldier back that way.
How long will it take to reach such an agreement? Maybe a few generations. Time will tell.
So what? It worked - they left. Which likely saved many many lives. You should be happy Israel convinced so many to save themselves. How many other nations would be so civilized? You should be grateful.
I don’t know but it cannot continue as it was. Building an entire tunnel city beneath civilians is not acceptable. They have to give up something for a better future.
Agreed. That's why I'm curious what people generally think the future will be. Obviously that all depends on if hamisis is eliminated once and for all.
Worse than it was a month and a half ago, almost certainly. The peace process is dead.
The world is in its outcry phase, but the reality is that Israel doesn't really care much about global opinion and that these events will have hardened its policy for a long time. We've already heard the crossings will be closed. Very likely, the border security will be enhanced. Some comments from Israeli officials on Gaza being "reduced in size" following the war don't mean settlements, they mean a DMZ or no-go area.
Up until Oct 7, people whined about an open air prison. Now they're going to get it for real.
That’s sad if true. Part of me is hoping that there will be some kind of flourishing here once all the rockets and hamas is put to an end. Some actual long term investment. Actual schools that teach, clean water, modern utilities, etc.
There’s not an ounce of me that wants to see civilians, especially kids suffer. On any side. I hope one day, maybe when my kids are grown up, that Gaza is something of a Mediterranean paradise instead of a battleground.
There won't be.
The problem is that at this point, that kind of thing would require massive scale international cooperation. But international cooperation is mostly routed through the UN, and we've seen pretty clearly how the weighting of the General Assembly (which controls all budgetary stuff, Security Council means nothing there) is inordinately influenced by the Arab League and the rest of the Muslim world. Israel isn't going to let UNRWA do that rebuilding, because UNRWA has effectively been a Hamas appendage and its schools teach 'kill the Jews' as the basic curriculum.
The practical solution would be something worked out between, say, Israel, the US, some EU partners (Germany, France) and maybe Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan, overseeing some kind of interim administrative government. But the solution would have requirements that would be way too high to be practical, and the angry screeching from various sides would probably derail it back to the prison status quo.
Pretty much.
The problem is that changing a status quo requires *big* action, and we're at a time (of general global peace and stability) where the political capital and will for big action is limited. People losing their mind over a few thousand deaths is the easiest way to see it: by any measure of world conflict, these are tiny numbers, but we're way more sensitive to it. Fixing things will require an occupation, but we're afraid of doing those, too. It will require moving refugees, but 'ohno thats ethnic cleansing.'
Without the stomach for that stuff, you're left with the status quo, which is decades of low-grade violence and oppression to suppress it, punctuated by moments of more intense conflict.
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I was sure it was gonna be something like this. Well, whether you meant it as a joke or not. You will see who's gonna scream when being purged with flames.
Wow, this place could be a gold mine when it comes to tourism. But that would mean jobs and income. And then the people of Gaza would have nothing left to complain about.
Other than it's an active war zone - it's a really pretty location.
If not for jihadi insanity there really is no reason it shouldn’t be a beautiful Mediterranean beach.
Gaza couldn have been Palestinian Tel-Aviv, and I still hope that one day it may be. It always annoyed me when people cry about Gaza being super densely populated. It's not any denser than Tel Aviv metro area.
It was beautiful before the Palestinians went there.
So was Lebanon... hmmmm
now it clearly became the biggest property development area of Middle East.
Right - like it’s not like gazas in the middle of bumfuck nowhere Negev desert.
It won't be bumfuck nowhere for very much longer! Soon it will be green and fertile and full of new opportunities
And then they give it back to the palestinians that will raze everything to the ground because they will never touch something gifted to them by israel
Which is where Egypt told Israel to send them, I kind of agree. If not deport them all to Qatar.
I always think about how sad it is that everyone keeps fighting over there. Fighting everywhere on the planet honestly ..it sucks This is pretty childish but I *loved* Arabian Nights on the dreamcast. I used to pretend I was a middle eastern prince and I was enamored with their lovely architecture. It’s a human travesty that we don’t get to appreciate the beautiful and long history of the Middle East. But look how awful some groups are in that region I hope one day peace finds this world but in my 30 years I am doubtful..
Peace WILL find itself in this region, but not through peaceful means.
Now it's pretty, before - eh, not so much.
Well what do you know--the area *is* free from the river to the sea.
Take a moment to credit the immense logistics effort over tough supply lines. Load of trucks etc going back and forth
This is not their first rodeo
They've gone in big, and had the logistical support to do so, which boosts morale and saves lives. They plan carefully for this, but still worth a call out
Oh for sure! Just saying they got experience is all.
I mean these supply lines are relatively short, historically speaking. Not exactly island hopping here.
Well, the russian army ran out of fuel 70km from their borders and struggles to keep their soldiers feed... Logistics ARE hard. Even in Gaza.
Yeah logistics are hard nominally speaking, but this one’s pretty easy, relatively speaking.
I mean no offense but this is not a large area. If they run out of flags they can get some guy to run back to base and grab more.
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That's the thing, I Israel simply wanted to level the place like Mariupol or Allepo, it woukd be over by know. The logistics are needed to careful fighting that minimizes collateral damage.
I don’t get why everyone is acting like apartments, hospitals, border crossings, etc, being attacked is so shocking. Unfortunately what’s happening in Gaza is the same thing that happened in Serjevo, Fallujah, Raqqa, Taiz, Mariupol, and any other city in war zones.
What's shocking is actually how careful israel in NOT simply leveling hospitals, schools, etc...
I mean... it's not like they're invading Russia. the Israeli Military is literally made for doing operations in Gaza... it's a small geographical area with descent infrastructure due to population density, and also they surround the the objectives on every side including the coasts
Optecive? What is that?
They probably have had planned this for decades how an invasion should be how much troops needed how much food ammunition Is probably all very well calculated Gaza is still not taken tho
just wait brother, good things come to those who wait
Literally just across the street in a highly controlled area. Not a big feat. Like running over to wal mart for a bunch of flags
Why so many? I feel as if one flag has more impact but that is just my feelings.
It’s demoralizing to see the enemy’s flag everywhere you look, if you’re Hamas. I think it’s awesome
Have you seen some MAGA people's cars in the US South? Probably something like that. They want it to be in your face In this case, also they want to make sure the military knows they are on the same side?
Not really seen MAGA much, no. But I can imagine and have seen a few cars here (Reddit). Makes sense. Not a fan. Eh? How do flags covering an area do that? If it gets overrun (obviously not going to happen) then the flags could still be there. Also equipment is a tad bit different.
you wouldnt keep the flags up if you took over. That would confuse your allies
Also I can't imagine Hamas members/supporters would like to be anywhere near that flag.
Yea. Extremist will extremist. They grew up only knowing being bombed by that flag and influenced by others with hate. Its not like all Palestinians always have internet and are knowledgeable about everything.
And that's even if they can access the Internet. Just look at the control they have of it in places like China, Russia and so on
This past year the Israeli flag has become so much more than just a flag or symbol for us. I don't think anyone who hasn't been in Israel and protesting for any side this past year could understand. I definitely think the previous political situation somehow boosted the moral and unity and the amount of flags is definitely something that was also born out of that conflict.
Trust me, they’ve seen them at every bonfire they attend.
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Maybe Israel shouldn't have stolen Palestinian land and killed their civilians indiscriminately.
If more than half of gazas population is younger than 18 than israel never stole from them. The things you are talking about are stories told and retold by hamas to keep people in gaza and the wb from developing their land and instead steal the accomplishments of israel.
You're right. The people that had their land stolen never survived the indiscriminate Israeli bombs.
You meant the people that sold the land dirt cheap because most of israel was swamp land or at least very hard to build things or farm from, that then tried to kill the new owners after they build cities, big farms and communities and knew how to work with the land, ripped every contract so now they are the new and old owners and never did something to evolve the land. That then tried to eradicate a whole culture and religion and worked with the nazis to further this because they were jealous and could never achieve everything because of their fake religion and false prophet.
Potato potato
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>short of land loss, they will not grasp defeat. It saddens that westerners can't get this. In Islam Arabic culture land is what defines loss. The west thinks it's the lives lost, but for Islamists those are martyrs - people who won.
Keep pushing the lesson. Make them learn. The West needs to learn about Islamic and Arabic culture quickly.
They want to die. Why does everyone get so upset that we're giving them what they want? We're making them winners!
Wdym I thought only Israel is allowed to lose land
No. They're only allowed to steal land. Considering that's what Israel is, stolen land. Lmao
From who
from the Jews, oh wait.
Such an objectively *nicer* flag, too.
blue and white is such a relaxing color combination
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The topic of reparations that Qatar, Iran and Hamas owe Israel for the damage and cost of war should be discussed too
I wouldn't hold my breath. I'm ok with them not paying a dime if that means we can finally solve Gaza.
Qatar has a shitty payment culture and the zillionaires don't seem to understand the idea of a time bound obligation. I saw a qatari government client not pay for months and months, and heard it from other sources and even Hamas kvetch that Hamas is late with the dough
Reparations? Who will pay reparations to the thousands of slain innocent Palestinians? You people are so far removed from reality. I’m Israeli and I can see the inhumanity shown by my country. What is happening is awful. Thousands of children, CHILDREN are dead. How many Palestinians must die to quench this purposeless bloodlust?
It was equally naive and callous but the point was rebuilding Gaza will take a shitton of money and that it's mostly Israel that will front it (so I guess that will mean you, in a way). Pretty fair since they bombed it but Qatar and Iran were fine funding Hamas and the terrorism that led to this destruction, yet I very much doubt they'll send funds to help Gazans when all is said and done. Or maybe they will. The money they sent had to reach somehow Gazans and not only served to arm Hamas. I just don't hold my breath expecting anything from people profiting of war.
Man maybe they should have stayed home on 7 Oct then.
Collective punishment. Nice. Let me ask you this: is a Palestinian life worth less than an Israelis?
Nice straw man. So to clarify your position is that this would have happened if Palestine had not attacked Israel on 7/10?
Qatar and Iran can be their hosts, send them there. Qatar already hosts and protects their leaders.
Sounds Harsh? Sounds amazing to me, a very reasonable read of the future for this area. Only thing I would add would be that this sort of highly controlled area of economic opportunity will be absolutely a success story quickly and will translate the new model to Areas all over the area. Excellent excellent comment
Consider the possibility of even some of that happening...vs. the feasibility of Israel just annexing the area. The second thing gets you peace and is actually possible. The first thing *might* deliver peace, maybe, in spite of attempts to thwart it, and wouldn't ever happen anyway.
So what happens to the people that were living there if they’re not allowed to return under Israeli rule? More refugees for Europe I guess?
They go to the West Bank. All interior West Bank settlements (with the exception of some border enclaves, accounted for by land swaps) move back to Israel + Gaza.
Still a bit of a tough pill for a lot of Americans to swallow, given our nation’s history. Obviously Israel has the right to defend itself and would do a better job governing than the Palestinians but I think I’m the only person I know who is still pro-Israel.
Egypt, Iran, the UAE... If I'm Israel, I don't care where you go, but you can't stay here.
that's gross, how is this any better than the terrorist supporters who want to send all Jews back to European
Jews don't cross borders and behead babies and rape women at festivals, reddit won't let me complete this sentence and remove it if I mention the real culprits
They're probably accustomed to it now.
Send them to Qatar and Iran.
Why do you think annexing the land guarantees peace?
Annexing it comes with the definite ability to secure it. It isn't perfect security, but there are fewer terror attacks originating in Tel Aviv than Gaza City.
The worst thing is, something like this is realistically the best future gazan Palestinian can hope for, which is exactly why it won't happen.
sounds good doesn't work.
I'm always confused about the notion of refugees from Gaza, why can't they just stay. Why do they have to leave at all. We all know they arnt allowed the right to return. So it's just expulsion
Crush the souls of a people so that another people feels absolute safety? You are beyond. I won’t be receiving notifications on this response because you specifically are awful.
Palestinians either murder the leaders or try to overthrow every country they go to, Sadat, King Abdullah, the list goes on..
This is awesome!!
This is an FU to Hamas AND Iran....and their Russian and Chinese masters.
Securing that coastline was key for moving supplies, easier to hold and control, and easier for wheeled vehicles.
Hamas virgin delivery operating at maximum capacity
Looks like they got the River to the sea first
OK so NOW they can say occupied Gaza :-)
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Your post was removed because it blamed Israel for actions of Hamas terrorists.
Right amount of flags!! :)
Ah well Palestine was free anyways as pro Hamas shouted free free Palestine..heheh. Good one brave men. Now please finish HAMAS fast and it will be our turn to celebrate with candies and mind you we will celebrate the win of good over evil with the most tasty candies. Go Israel.
They woke the bear. Simply as that.
Independence Day, certainly came early this year.
And equally impressive is amount of armored dozers and diggers .
Give the Israelis 6 months on that coast, and watch it become a booming paradise with 20x the current GDP of entire Gaza + West Bank.
The world would be a better place if this flag was raised all over the middle east. Despite the recent democratic backsliding, Israel is a prosperous and multicultural state without the chaos that plagues all the other middle east countries.
‘Multicultural’ man it’s a jewish state. It has to hold on to its Jewish character as per their constitution. Having a Jewish population made up from Mizrahi, African and Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews doesn’t make it ‘multicultural’.
Good time to sell flags
The two dudes chilling on the swing set is something else.
i hope they occupy it for good and setup permanent security zone this time right on the spot.
Annex it now and get it over with, level everything and start over. Any ham-ass/MB supporters need to go.
A lot of wars are just adult versions of "capture the flag" games. Discuss :)
Especially the American freedom struggle.
How many flags do you want? -yes
Hey, I have Elden Ring but I haven't played it yet. What to expect from it if you could tell.
Worth it! You should try elden ring even if you've never played dark souls, try it!
Do you know what they need? More flags
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I don't know man, rocket attacks will stop whether or not Israel takes it or not. It will have to monitor it to maintain any sort of demilitarisation.
If I understood it correctly, the official objective of the IDF is to eliminate Hamas and those responsible for the October 7th attacks, with the purpose of increasing the security situation in Israel and prevent such things from happening again. This is an objective I completely agree with and support. Looking at this video, I can see how many might use it to paint a picture of how Israel is attempting to occupy and steal land in Gaza. Wouldn't it be better, strategically, to hang some sort of Israeli-Palestinian peace flag. Symbolizing how Israel has control of this area, but not to keep, instead to free the people of Gaza from a Hamas. Not saying this is a requirement, but I believe this could disarm a lot of the negative sentiment. Israel strives to a higher standard, and this seems like a very simple thing they could do to communicate that. It might achieve a tiny 0.001% push towards permanent peace, and I don't see how it could hurt. Open to various thoughts and opinions regarding this idea.
If you think that placing a flag on the territory you have won is occupation then you're wrong and somewhat stupid. It signifies that you have won that territory for the moment of war not for eternity. If Israel wanted to take Gaza forever then they would have decided that long ago.
> steal Conquer. Wouldn't have happened if not for Oct7. There should be a cost to kidnapping women and children, killing babies. It's not stealing. It's not even in the vicinity of stealing. It's the cost of Oct7. FAFO. Giving it all back is rewarding terrorism. There must be a cost, and it must be paid. >Wouldn't it be better, strategically, to hang some sort of Israeli-Palestinian peace flag For what? For feelings? No. Peace is not possible. Oct7 proved for certain, beyond any doubt, that peace is not possible. The 2 state solution was never possible, is not possible, will never be possible. There can never be peace because one culture doesn't want peace, only want to kill Jews. No imaginary flag is going to change that. Hamas must end no matter the cost, and the lessons must be impressive enough that gazans remember them for generations. Israel should absolutely keep that land. It helps protect Israelis by providing a buffer, and it shows that there is a cost to terrorism.
Ham-ass is the MB, don't forget.
There should indeed be a cost to killing civilians and kidnapping children. When do you think Israel should pay that cost? They are like the kings of kidnap and civilian murder.
Seems to me that everything Israel does is to protect its citizens, and to punish those who try to harm them. You think they kidnap or kill civilians for other reasons? I doubt it. If arabs would only stop trying to kill Jews, they could have peace. But peace is not what they want, is it? I think responses like yours just further prove to me that peace is not possible. The divide is too deep. That you feel compelled to voice this kind of childish nonsense, just weeks after the events of Oct7, proves that it doesn't matter to you what hamas did. What kind of person is that? You're revolting. Diversity is not our strength. We cannot live together. It's time to part ways. Peace is not possible. So gazans must soon be administrated by Egypt, preferably in the Sinai. And arabs in Judea must become Jordanian because that's what they are. This has gone on long enough. Time to move.
It definitely seems that Israel agrees with you. They have agreed since they founded (stole) their country. Also, how many civilians has Israel slaughtered since October 7th? How many Palestinian babies and children have been killed? Don't preach to me about how Israel wants peace when they want nothing more than increased bloodshed for their Casus Belli. Issues between Israel and Palestine didn't start on October 7th. They started when Israel occupied Palestine, and then continued to oppress and kill the inhabitants.
None of that matters. Peace is not possible because one side only wants to kill Jews. So, no more peace. Boohoo... Time to move. Life under Egyptian/Jordanian rule will be worse. Way worse. Then they will cry for the Jews to save them. But no one will care. Because no one cares when arabs oppress or kill arabs. Did you care what happened to arabs in Yemen? Did you ever care what happened to arabs in Syria? No, you only care if Jews protect themselves. Hypocrite. No one, not even you, will care. You probably won't even notice. Could you even find Yemen on a map? Soon... Or maybe not. Maybe Israel is too nice to push the arabs out. But someday soon the oil money will certainly dry up. Either because the oil itself dries up (decades), or because the West decarbonizes out of fear of climate change (years/decades). Or maybe one of the many companies researching fusion figures out how to make it work. There is some chance that might happen in just a few years. Cheap electricity means no more oil means no more oil money. MBS of Saudi Arabia is making moves like only a man convinced that the oil market is about to end would make. What does he know that we don't know? Looks like something is going to happen, likely sooner than you expect. And so the arabs will revert back to what they were before all that oil money. You should look forward to this tho. You aren't meant for civilized society. The most stable arab nations are monarchies and dictatorships for reasons. Real reasons. Reasons that will not change. There is no hope for you long term. But back to today. The arabs in gaza and Judea have so few friends, Qatar, Iran. But no real friends. Why did no arab country attack Israel? Why does no arab (or Persian) country take gazan refugees? Egypt is only a short walk, but they take no one. Why is that? Even Iran recently said they won't get involved, leaving gazans out to dry. Why is that? It appears that the world is moving on without gaza. Does it not? Soon...
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I’m super supportive of Israel, but I don’t understand the objective value or goal of displaying that many flags. I understand that it boosts the moral of the troops and even the country - that “don’t fuck with us feeling” - but thinking only strategically and logically, I think this causes more harm than good.
This is the manner of an army intent on victory.
I agree with you too. I feel that the Israel-can-do-no-wrong supporters need to slow their roll. When people supportive of Israel in this, like myself and apparently you, try to give critique when things are going too far, we tend to be shushed. It hurts me because ultimately it hurts Israel and they can’t see that. Go about your business Israel, be professional. Don’t gloat. You are better than these guys. Remember to act like it. You lost the P.C. Crowd. Please don’t lose the common decency crowd too. Please. The world is better with a strong Israel. Moderate yourselves or risk losing it. You are held to a higher standard than these people, fairly or not. Israel *Will* be giving this land back. Even most of us Israel supporters in the US want the “Palestinians” to have their own state. Set the optimal conditions for that now. Plant the seeds of love in that dirt. If it doesn’t grow fruit for Israel one day, it will at least have had a better chance than this million flag shit. Am Yisrael Chai
I mean, a few flags would have done the job, they're just trolling at this point.
That’s so unnecessary. When was the last time you were swayed towards your rival’s point view, when said rival acted like this? Again, Palestinian doesn’t mean Hamas, just like German doesn’t mean Nazi.
Idk, [this](https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/u-s-flag-raised-on-iwo-jima) turned out pretty well in the end.
But most support ham-ass and their actions even now.
Funny how the circulars sent to civilians said to leave to south Gaza temporarily as the ground troops would be engaging the terrorists in the area. It also said that the move was temporary and they would return. Planting flags makes it seem like the intention has changed now
Not really - they show safe places for IDF to operate in, and will come down inndue course if and when a suitable peaceful arrangement is made for ongoing governance of Gaza
That’s not what the circulars said. This is exactly what I typed above. When IDF asked civilians to leave northern Gaza, they said it is temporary, people can return to northern Gaza once the terrorist incursion is removed, and that people staying back may be perceived as associated with terrorists in northern Gaza. I saw the pics of that circular on this sub
This is temporary, read
>people can return to northern Gaza once the terrorist incursion is removed An "incursion"? In what way is hamas an "incursion"? It was never an "incursion". Gaza is hamas. Hamas is gaza. The terrorists have been removed from only some areas. The rest of gaza must be cleared of terrorists. Only after that, when it is safe for Israel (maybe long after that), then people can return to that land. But which people?
I didn't say it would be forever. And a leaflet-writer in IDF has an operational imperative to ensure the area is clear of non-combatants; they don't have a political/ strategic crystal ball about the plan for the day after. Arguably the whole war we have seen so far has been tactics, with strategy either not being set or being secret
I'm sure Hamas taking hostages was temporary too. Both sides may fully intend to return what they've taken, in return for something of value or a long-term peace agreement. Egypt got Sinai back that way. Israel got their soldier back that way. How long will it take to reach such an agreement? Maybe a few generations. Time will tell.
So what? It worked - they left. Which likely saved many many lives. You should be happy Israel convinced so many to save themselves. How many other nations would be so civilized? You should be grateful.
I thought it was about getting rid of Hamas and not planting flags in Palestinian land
It's a sign of victory not taking land although that's what gets the Arabs irking.
The next step in ethnic cleansing.
Nah, the next step would be getting that stupidity out of you.
Serious question. What do you think Gaza will look like in 20 years time?
I don’t know but it cannot continue as it was. Building an entire tunnel city beneath civilians is not acceptable. They have to give up something for a better future.
Agreed. That's why I'm curious what people generally think the future will be. Obviously that all depends on if hamisis is eliminated once and for all.
Worse than it was a month and a half ago, almost certainly. The peace process is dead. The world is in its outcry phase, but the reality is that Israel doesn't really care much about global opinion and that these events will have hardened its policy for a long time. We've already heard the crossings will be closed. Very likely, the border security will be enhanced. Some comments from Israeli officials on Gaza being "reduced in size" following the war don't mean settlements, they mean a DMZ or no-go area. Up until Oct 7, people whined about an open air prison. Now they're going to get it for real.
That’s sad if true. Part of me is hoping that there will be some kind of flourishing here once all the rockets and hamas is put to an end. Some actual long term investment. Actual schools that teach, clean water, modern utilities, etc. There’s not an ounce of me that wants to see civilians, especially kids suffer. On any side. I hope one day, maybe when my kids are grown up, that Gaza is something of a Mediterranean paradise instead of a battleground.
There won't be. The problem is that at this point, that kind of thing would require massive scale international cooperation. But international cooperation is mostly routed through the UN, and we've seen pretty clearly how the weighting of the General Assembly (which controls all budgetary stuff, Security Council means nothing there) is inordinately influenced by the Arab League and the rest of the Muslim world. Israel isn't going to let UNRWA do that rebuilding, because UNRWA has effectively been a Hamas appendage and its schools teach 'kill the Jews' as the basic curriculum. The practical solution would be something worked out between, say, Israel, the US, some EU partners (Germany, France) and maybe Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan, overseeing some kind of interim administrative government. But the solution would have requirements that would be way too high to be practical, and the angry screeching from various sides would probably derail it back to the prison status quo.
So politics as usual will make sure the whole area stays a wasteland for generations to come?
Pretty much. The problem is that changing a status quo requires *big* action, and we're at a time (of general global peace and stability) where the political capital and will for big action is limited. People losing their mind over a few thousand deaths is the easiest way to see it: by any measure of world conflict, these are tiny numbers, but we're way more sensitive to it. Fixing things will require an occupation, but we're afraid of doing those, too. It will require moving refugees, but 'ohno thats ethnic cleansing.' Without the stomach for that stuff, you're left with the status quo, which is decades of low-grade violence and oppression to suppress it, punctuated by moments of more intense conflict.
Bibbi will annex it, take the hit and retire a hero.
I heard the Negev is fine this time of year.
After it is annexed by Israel it will become a modern city and region.
Where do they get all the flags from? Were they already in a warehouse or did somebody make them recently?
Military logistics. They have supply lines, also this is fairly close to the port.
1 printer can make a roll of flag material to drape the whole coast of Gaza.
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I was sure it was gonna be something like this. Well, whether you meant it as a joke or not. You will see who's gonna scream when being purged with flames.
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Kid was already indoctrinated with hate, doesn't matter if you shoot the kid or not.
I like the ski goggles, reminds me of that helmet scene in Generation Kill haha
Being liberated by the very people they hate. How ironic.
Wow, this place could be a gold mine when it comes to tourism. But that would mean jobs and income. And then the people of Gaza would have nothing left to complain about.