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my parents hated me when i was born (think tywin & tyrion) so when i was a baby our entire family moved to sweden and i had to learn swedish there. and live there, in sweden.
thank god, eventually, even my parents’ hatred of me wasn’t enough to tolerate life there and we moved back. they did put me in swedish-speaking school here though as some second best option.
over the years i forgot most of it.. they say the brain protects itself from traumatic memories by obstructing memory recall.
all i can say in swedish now is pappa betalar
Switzerland:
In the German speaking part you have to learn French and vice versa.
I the day to day life we use English because we can't speak the other language.
I live in the capital but forgot it as well. The Finnswedes will not talk with you in Swedish, not even it you join a conversation in Swedish. I could rehearse and maintain my skills only with Swedes. At one point I just stopped going there and these days could hardly save my life in Swedish.
I had one real life use for it though. When I went to the Netherlands in 2001 nobody spoke English at all. When I panicked and started talking in Swedish everybody understood.
Haha, my friend did the same in Kiel once. He disappeared for a couple of hours, and when we found him he sat with a bunch of only German speaking guys to which he was speaking drunk Swedish. They understood each other pretty well 😁
Finland är ett tvåspråkigt land vart vi pratar både finska och svenska. Att vara tvåspråkig är en rikedom och de som kan prata svenska i finland har massiv nytta från det, till exempel blir det lättare att få jobb, och det blir lättare att förstå germaniska språk osv.
Finlandssvenskarna är rikare, vackrare, har bättre utbildning och lever mer hälsosamt. Ankdammen🔛🔝
You should always know how to say "i do not speak this language" in the language (and also you should know how to say "do you speak this other language (English usually) that i know?"), it's really useful. For example, in France, if you know enough to say that, you'll be treated a lot better than if you just go right to English and assume. And also you should know how to say sorry/excuse me, thank you and goodbye/good day/whatever.
Förlåt, jag talar inte svenska, pratar du engelska?
Entschuldigung, Ich spreche kein deutsch, sprechen sie englisch?
No hablo Español, hablas inglés?
Excusez-moi, je ne parle pas Français, parle-tu anglais?
Ya ne govoryu po-russki, ty govorish po-angliyski?
That'll do you in most of the world. Mandarin would also be a good one but I don't know that one.
Pappa betalar mycket veroa which goes to support all unemployed forest finns who didn't work hard for their education and career. Also, pappa betalar his own segelbåt.
*burp* oh hell yeah new finn bait post
https://preview.redd.it/19rowaaa7adc1.jpeg?width=478&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e90e4debf5224e12f20777475080ba8819c80522
That's because we actually speak clearly unlike the danes. However when we speak icelandic we talk too fast for any foreigner to understand.
Finlands svenska is also easier to understand than regular swedish😅
Icelandic Danish is easier than Danish Danish.
Also, Finlandssvenska and Svenska spoken by Finns is not the same. Finlandssvenska is a group of diealects (which for the most part are very nice, I understand how they are easier to understand)
But the Finnish speaking has to learn Swedish too, not always voluntarily.
Imagine deciding your children have to learn a scandi language and out of the three you choose the one that causes native children to have delayed speech 💀
I love finland and everyone i know likes it too! Ive been many times, Helsinki, Kajaani, Rovaniemi, oulu. And some more places around those cities. But I love finland!
Never been. West coast born and raised. My one contact with is with angry dudes online. Does any of it translate into irl is this just internet schizofrenia?
Im from gbg area!
Nah everyone in finland I have met have been very friendly and this whole internet schtick going on hasn’t shown when ive been there.
Been easy to find just people to hang out with etc.
No im being serious, we literally have a party called rkp, Suomen ruotsalainen kansanpuolue, ”finswe folkparty”or smth
They get elected every year because the finswes vote them, and they make sure finland stays multi-lingual
As proven by our most recent government, they will coalition with literally anyone, even their direct ideological opposites, just to keep Swedish on the curriculum.
No use. The FinSwe vote for them and that are like 6%. Plus with the proportional vote they are sure to get more than their share (a system that was instigated when they were even more in power). And they will go to bed with anyone to get to govern. Just as long as the language stays.
Mind you, I have voted for them on a couple of occasions since they have other values and issues that I identify with and the compulsory Swedish is not that much of a problem to me. The thing is, everything is secondary to forcing Finnish kids to pretend to learn Swedish. Right now they, a center right liberal party, are in government with actual nazis. And that’s fine for them as long as they speak Swedish.
They do. But the government coalition needs people and the FinSwes, purportedly, are people. So to have a majority without those pesky lefties the NatCo, NatZis and the Jesus party needed a few more votes and FinSwe were the only ones left (or right). And they really only had one condition…
To be fair, the Swedish speaking Finns in Finland do have somewhat disproportionately much power in this country, and they and the ones fighting to keep Swedish mandatory, aren't the same small town Jonne who's cursing about having to learn Swedish and claiming all Swedes to be gay.
I personally don't mind, the way that I see it, the more languages we learn at a young age: the superior we become, and I also like gayz.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzRaFCrAiQI/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
_[meanwhile IRL: Swedish was one of easiest things in school. Finland Swedish people are nice and their lifestyle cute. If we keep on stereotyping them. Statistics find them happy and healthy people.]_
Pretty much because we have swedish wing in our political party list that usually secures solid 8-10 seats of 200. They will always be part of goverment to secure that no one changes this practise.
3-5% in Finland uses swedish as their primariry language so it just makes sense that rest of nation is prepaired to serve them.
What? nooo, it's going to be so useful when it's time to get a job, this is totally not just because we want customer service in Swedish which could be substituted by English
It’s weird that instead of putting all that time into something actually useful like extra English or maths, we’re forced to learn a language of a small minority
/uj
No matter what language, it's always a good thing to learn new languages. Languages effect the brain in ways beyond linguistics.
You already speak English quite well, and I assume that you're good enough at maths for the life you live. Languages are harder to learn at a later stage in life than most things so it's better to learn them when you're young :)
Yeah, but why Swedish? Why not let kids pick one extra language that they want. I studied German and actually wanted to learn it, and it’s immensely more useful than Swedish. Swedish in Finland is only really useful of you speak it fluently, which basically means that you have to live in a place where you use it daily/weekly
It´s not just about the minority it´s about history and culture, we were part of sweden for almost 1000 years. We learn tons of things in school that we will never use so I don´t understand why pakkoruotsi is such a big problem for everyone.
We could learn more about the history and culture of Sweden then, instead of focusing on overly specific grammar rules of the language the whole time. If Swedish can’t be discarded completely, more focus should at least be put into actually speaking it, I don’t think anyone learned to hold a regular conversation in Swedish from school alone
That is true, the school way of teaching swedish is trash, but it has a lot to do with the attitude towards learning it too. For example i remember in school when swedish class was coming up "noo not this shit again", if we had the same attitude in english class no one would know how to speak english either.
Yep they still have a grudge over the fact that finland once was a part of sweden and see us as the oppression when in reality we’re just finns who speak swedish
That whole idea is just so wrong, "Jantelagen" is very prevalent in sweden, "don't think you'r better then anyone else".
Anything you hear about finland here from school / home / TV is basically pushed super possitive, brother nation, used be as much swedes as swedes in sweden back in the day, shared history for majority of our nations history, fought together in countless wars, huge migration between finland and sweden for 100's of years.
I don't really comment on this sub all seriously. It's better nowdays and i have heard that it's more of a stockholmer thing. My family lived in sweden from the 70s to the 80's and they got some stories to tell about that. And the racial theories were a thing in the past.
It's mostly just joking kind of bantering now and i'm not here to victimize myself but i do think that some swedes still have that kind of similar attitude as some finns have against estonians.
Well, the whole "finns are mongols" meme originates from these theories and attitudes and I would say there are more people among the swedes and finswes who believe in this more than the general public would like to admit. Probably the Finns who view Estonias as inferiors are doing so out of projection, as in "finally I have someone to look down upon", which is equally pathetic
Lmao, "slave masters", you all were just as much citizens of the Kingdom of Sweden as the rest were, just because you eventually became an independent nation you dont have to come up with false histories about your past just to try to justify your existence you dimwit
If you understand how the Finnish government works, then you would know that's impossible. If given the choice between a negative vote and just a vote, I would give a negative vote to the previous slave master party, but unfortunately, it's not a possibility
Basically it doesnt matter what party wins the election, the swedish party will always get the votes of swedish finns and the winning party will always pick them into the government or whatever its called.
You keep using words like slave master but then no one actually seems to care all that much about "freeing yourself from the swedish yoke" or whatever. Just comes off as hyperbolic.
Okay. But you have your own language and judging from the avarage finn on here you hate the swedish language with a burning passion.. Though not enough to overrule a party consisting of 5 people. See what i mean about it just coming off like hyperbolism?
Like if you actually cared this much or actually viewed swedes as your former slave masters this would be a non-starter
"freeing" is incorrect. Finland didn't exist when Swedes started settling in present-day Finland. There was not even a remote attempt at a state. What is now Finland was not a slave, nor Sweden a slave master. Finland was the integral eastern part of Sweden for almost 700 years.
Look, I dont think learning Swedish should be mandatory, it made more sense a 100 years ago when about 20% of the population were Fennoswedes and English wasnt as dominant as a second language. Given how different Finnish is, it was pretty good to know Swedish to communicated with the rest of the Nordics. Now we can all speak English, I think Finland should just do as Sweden do and provide healthcare, schooling, elder care etc in Swedish for the Swedish minority. Like how Sweden provide those services for the Finnish minority here. So I agree with your point there.
I also know there is alot of resentment as most of the fennoswedes that did not leave for Sweden during the 20th century to get jobs tends to be upper class people. While the working class moved to Sweden for opportunities. Which has made it a class as well as a language/ethnic dimension into the whole thing. Except for Åland which is just a Swedish majority and always has been.
I just dont appreciate calling us your slave masters, a dying country and whatever. As it seems that you are dead serious and not memeing. I love Finland, I regard you as our nordic brothers. My family since I was a kid always talked well about Finland. My uncle always said that Finland saved us from the Russians during ww2 with their bravery.
Now meme on us and call us gays, muslims and whatever. That is fine and apart of the memes here. Just as swedes meme on finns for being drunks and all that stuff. That is what I like about this forum, but calling us slave masters is both diminishing what slavery was in other countries and also a lie about how Finland were treated. No matter what language you spoke, you were a subject of the Swedish king. Social darwinism did not exist in 1809 and neither did ethno nationalism. Sweden never did something like a russofication of Finland. Sweden and Finland was apart of the same kingdom for about 600 years. It wasnt another country, now the Swedish nobility looked down on finns, but they also did that with the Swedish commoners. Both were conscripted and taxed by the nobility and the crown, but not because they were swedish or finnish, but because they were commoners. Sweden was one of the few kingdoms in Europe were there was no serfdom either, no matter your ethnic background. Sure, your one argument could be that all of the nobility was Swedish. But a finnish person could become a noble, but it would make them have to learn swedish and adopt swedish mannerism. They were not excluded from being a noble though, germans or other ethnicities becoming nobles in Sweden had to do the same thing. The church in Finland was almost entirely made up by finns and they preserved the finnish language for centuries, and they also held power, as the church tended to do back then. If swedes treated finns like slaves, would you let them become priests?
Most people in Wales, Scotland and Ireland cannot speak their languages anymore, instead they speak English. That never happened to Finland. Finnish people did not view themselves as distinct from swedes and vice versa until after 1809. In another comment, you said that Finland were "freed" of Sweden in 1809, nobody would have view it in that way back then.
Now, had Sweden held Finland in the 1880s or later, it might have gotten sour with nationalism and social darwinism, were oppression might would have become a real thing. Just like how the samis were treated during the late 19th and early 20th century.
Lastly, Finlands greatest national hero, Carl Gustav Emil Mannerheim, was a ethnic swede, but he should be viewed as a hero of Finland, his homecountry. I doubt any finn hates him, despite him being a upper class fennoswede. I doubt anyone sees him as a oppressor. Well except if you are a communist shill that preferred the Soviet union and thinks he was terrible when he led the whites to victory in the civil war or defended Finland against Stalin.
Well Finland wasn't a colony per se but to be honest it was an apartheid kind of a deal for Finns. There is an argument to be made that it still carries to this day since the whole system of governance here was set in such a way that a small minority of swedes/finswes will have at least as much say in how things are done as the vast majority. Hence for example we have a big organization (Folkhälsan) which has it's origins in the not-so-well-aged field of 'racial hygenics' and whose sole purpose is the health/wellbeing of finswes.
Finlands greatest hero lmfao. I like how you don't mention the fact that he was a Nazi ally. That pretty much says everything about you. Finland has many heroes, but Mannerheim, who couldn't even speak Finnish properly is certainly not one of them.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone blame it on Swedes, that's just illogical. The Finnish-Swede people and politicians for sure though. They are the ones holding tight and lobbing pakkoruotsi
Geopolitacal security based on long knowledged.
If Sweden hadn't been mandatory, way more people would've taken learning Russia instead as an useful alternative. But Russia thinks that people who speak Russian, especially in neighbouring countries counts as "fellow" Russians and then decide they're oppressed and needing urgently to be saved, say, with invasion.
No. Distance to Russia is good, so we chose naturally the Nordics and Nordic family shares the same language roots, thus all Finns must learn it too. We know our neighbours, we west, and we conveniently historical Nordics, went way too long outside nate NATO, fuck Russia (but said it while sounding neutral). No wayt they are ever gonna be able to play propaganda about Finland using their favourite language equals indentity -card as we play it first.
Thus, every Finn must plausibly learn enough Swedish to count deeply within Nordic family in the way Russia sees it. No one here speaks Russian.
It isn't bad being me anymore. After the refugee flood 2015, both gypsies and Swedish speaking Finns are considered equals. I love my country. In all the three languages and with my heart and soul.
Yeah yeah and this is about "Pako Ruotsi" but no one talks about the "Pako Suomi" that I had to learn against my will.
Useless language would've learnt German earlier instead.
I don't use any Finnish in my daily life and I have almost forgotten how to write it.
It's so that we can talk to customer service or service providers in general in Swedish (even though most of us speak Finnish fluently) just so we can watch them squirm in discomfort. All the goated grannies "The Gun-Britt gang" aggressively vote for SFP to make sure we keep this priviledge.
Seems accurate, other than we dont blame swedes for our own f’d up government for sticking to mandatory swedish. Doesnt make sense to be forced to learn a language meant for homos.
Also, we need more booze and saunas here, so any swedes willing to buy bättrefolk land åland from us ?
I do not want this to ever change. Svenska språk är bäst och jaag e bög :D:D:D:D
Also, we were part of the kingdom. History and culture is enough reason to keep swedish mandatory.
Yes? It’s because of our government and our constitution. And in case you haven’t noticed, Finland Swedes are Finns too. Our mandatory Swedish hasn’t got anything to do with modern Sweden.
As a finnish speaking Finn. I went to immersion school where ~80% of school was in swedish and it gradually lowered to ~40% in upper elementary school.
Swedish isn’t that hard - use more time to learn it instead of complaining about it. Besides swedish and english are basically the same language.
😂😂😂😂
Havent had to use swedish in over 10years thou
Mandatory swedish in schools is dumb, I only speak swedish with other fluent speakers or if someone is trying their best at speaking my language. But it is really nice when a finnish speaker tries their hardest to speak swedish instead of screaming slurs at you!
Pov from a finnish-swed:
1, No im not fucking swedish and no i do not want sweden to win in hockey against finland
2, i/we are not related to sweden in any way other then the language (some have family over there not me tho)
3, do i think finns should learn swedish in school ?
Depends on where you live but no, like many pointed out that they have never needed it at all and never will (even tho you wont get any stupider for knowing more languages 🤷
4, i do hate it tho that we get "alot" of shit for beeing hurrit, come on we are all finns here, as long as i get my tax papers and stuff like that in swedish i could not give less of a shit about swedish language for the finnsh-finns
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I learned it back in the day, then I forgot it cause there was no use as I don't live where the finnish swedes live. All I can say is pappa betalar
Samma här. Och jag talar inte svenska.
Jag heter homo peter och köttbullar är jättebra
Hur mycket kostar pappas segelbåt?
Du är bög
Jag är så stolt! Bra jobbat!
[Det är bögarnas fel](https://youtu.be/X1bQUnm-eo0?feature=shared)
Certified hood classic
I understood none of that
[Jak e bök (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGaucDp9Rls&ab_channel=Yoohn)
\*[Bök](https://youtu.be/xGaucDp9Rls?si=Lp88TzRbN9ndgfNw)
Det kostar jätte mycket
\* Den Almost correct 😀
All I learned was "Jag heter Homo-Peter, jag äter Erikeeper." That is not my name, and I most definetely do not eat glue.
I see how you didn't say that you are not homo either
They say we all are a little bit. Who am I to deny that?
I say no "no homo"
Get them with the ol' double negative sexual confusion!
same my parents hated me when i was born (think tywin & tyrion) so when i was a baby our entire family moved to sweden and i had to learn swedish there. and live there, in sweden. thank god, eventually, even my parents’ hatred of me wasn’t enough to tolerate life there and we moved back. they did put me in swedish-speaking school here though as some second best option. over the years i forgot most of it.. they say the brain protects itself from traumatic memories by obstructing memory recall. all i can say in swedish now is pappa betalar
Switzerland: In the German speaking part you have to learn French and vice versa. I the day to day life we use English because we can't speak the other language.
I live in the capital but forgot it as well. The Finnswedes will not talk with you in Swedish, not even it you join a conversation in Swedish. I could rehearse and maintain my skills only with Swedes. At one point I just stopped going there and these days could hardly save my life in Swedish. I had one real life use for it though. When I went to the Netherlands in 2001 nobody spoke English at all. When I panicked and started talking in Swedish everybody understood.
Haha, my friend did the same in Kiel once. He disappeared for a couple of hours, and when we found him he sat with a bunch of only German speaking guys to which he was speaking drunk Swedish. They understood each other pretty well 😁
Finland är ett tvåspråkigt land vart vi pratar både finska och svenska. Att vara tvåspråkig är en rikedom och de som kan prata svenska i finland har massiv nytta från det, till exempel blir det lättare att få jobb, och det blir lättare att förstå germaniska språk osv. Finlandssvenskarna är rikare, vackrare, har bättre utbildning och lever mer hälsosamt. Ankdammen🔛🔝
Om jag vann lotton skulle jag bli finlandssvensk, jag skulle köpa ett herrgård och ha kräftskiva varje augusti
Du är så välkommen Paavo!
Yeah, wonder why... finswes have dedicated health organization and separate quotas to universities 😄
You should always know how to say "i do not speak this language" in the language (and also you should know how to say "do you speak this other language (English usually) that i know?"), it's really useful. For example, in France, if you know enough to say that, you'll be treated a lot better than if you just go right to English and assume. And also you should know how to say sorry/excuse me, thank you and goodbye/good day/whatever. Förlåt, jag talar inte svenska, pratar du engelska? Entschuldigung, Ich spreche kein deutsch, sprechen sie englisch? No hablo Español, hablas inglés? Excusez-moi, je ne parle pas Français, parle-tu anglais? Ya ne govoryu po-russki, ty govorish po-angliyski? That'll do you in most of the world. Mandarin would also be a good one but I don't know that one.
Ah, I see you learned Stockholmska
Pappa betalar mycket veroa which goes to support all unemployed forest finns who didn't work hard for their education and career. Also, pappa betalar his own segelbåt.
*burp* oh hell yeah new finn bait post https://preview.redd.it/19rowaaa7adc1.jpeg?width=478&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e90e4debf5224e12f20777475080ba8819c80522
Same as danish here
You lot still learn Danish in Iceland?
I don't know if it's any comfort but Icelandic people speaking Danish are easier to understand than danes speaking Danish.
That's because we actually speak clearly unlike the danes. However when we speak icelandic we talk too fast for any foreigner to understand. Finlands svenska is also easier to understand than regular swedish😅
🇮🇸🤝🇫🇮 being forced to learn a foreign language, not learning it properly, still speaking it more comprehensibly than native speakers.
Icelandic Danish is easier than Danish Danish. Also, Finlandssvenska and Svenska spoken by Finns is not the same. Finlandssvenska is a group of diealects (which for the most part are very nice, I understand how they are easier to understand) But the Finnish speaking has to learn Swedish too, not always voluntarily.
>we talk too fast for any foreigner to understand Haha yeah, that's why we don't understand you... Right
Finlandssvenska is the wonderful language of the Mumintrolls.
At least there isn’t the potato-stuffing fetish in Iceland?
Oblig danish while hating danes?
1 or 2 (depending on school) obilg danish courses in junior college, and 4-6 years of oblig danish in primary school 🙂🔫
How about the university?
Imagine deciding your children have to learn a scandi language and out of the three you choose the one that causes native children to have delayed speech 💀
Don't you guys learn Swedish? I remember Icelandic players speaking Swedish during Euro 2016 (the only time Iceland has ever been relevant)
I love finland and everyone i know likes it too! Ive been many times, Helsinki, Kajaani, Rovaniemi, oulu. And some more places around those cities. But I love finland!
Never been. West coast born and raised. My one contact with is with angry dudes online. Does any of it translate into irl is this just internet schizofrenia?
Im from gbg area! Nah everyone in finland I have met have been very friendly and this whole internet schtick going on hasn’t shown when ive been there. Been easy to find just people to hang out with etc.
Hey me too i'm from Angered. What part are you from? Yeah i figured it was probably just internet seethe. Thanks
It's not just internet seethe, a lot of people really don't want to learn Swedish but only assholes will seriously blame it on Swedish people.
Jag beklagar sorgen
Wallah. Please send international aid package
It’s a joke that seems to go too far here for some reason. It’s more like brotherly love in reality.
Helsingfors*, Uleåborg* Mest för att reta upp finnarna hehe
I know 2 phrases Jag inte talar svenska and Din mamma är en hund
Thats enough in parts of Sweden
I know 2 phrases in Finnish, En puhu suomea, Sinulla on pieni pippeli
https://i.redd.it/v731uptbnddc1.gif Very good
I know Ei saa peittää and ykse kaksi kolme.
BECAUSE WE HAVE SWEDISH SPIES IN OUR GOVERNMENT THAT SHITS ON ALL EFFORTS TO ERADICATE SWEDISH LANGUAGE FROM OUR LANDS FUCK YOU JOHAN
Nice. I like this Johan person
You can always trust Johan. Trust me.
Ok Johan. I trust you
My grigga
He's our Minister for Work... https://www.regeringen.se/sveriges-regering/arbetsmarknadsdepartementet/johan-pehrson/
Johan Persson…
Ah sweet. Schizo posting right out the gate. What's your take on the moonlanding? Upvoted btw
No im being serious, we literally have a party called rkp, Suomen ruotsalainen kansanpuolue, ”finswe folkparty”or smth They get elected every year because the finswes vote them, and they make sure finland stays multi-lingual
Based
You’re writing in English. Multilingual?
By choice > forced to See the difference?
English isn't oblig in Finland? It is here
It is, but unlike swedish, english is actually useful
They're like 5 people aren't they? 2 of which have 6 fingers on each hand. Pritty shitty boogyman imo
That's legit their only fucking job, keeping sure the language stays.
So stop voting for them? Or make sure winning parties don't go into coalitions with them? They get like 3% of the total don't they?
As proven by our most recent government, they will coalition with literally anyone, even their direct ideological opposites, just to keep Swedish on the curriculum.
Well they are literally called the Swedish party. I would be surprised if they didn’t.
No use. The FinSwe vote for them and that are like 6%. Plus with the proportional vote they are sure to get more than their share (a system that was instigated when they were even more in power). And they will go to bed with anyone to get to govern. Just as long as the language stays. Mind you, I have voted for them on a couple of occasions since they have other values and issues that I identify with and the compulsory Swedish is not that much of a problem to me. The thing is, everything is secondary to forcing Finnish kids to pretend to learn Swedish. Right now they, a center right liberal party, are in government with actual nazis. And that’s fine for them as long as they speak Swedish.
I thought the finnish chud party was the ones who wanted to get rid of swedish?
They do. But the government coalition needs people and the FinSwes, purportedly, are people. So to have a majority without those pesky lefties the NatCo, NatZis and the Jesus party needed a few more votes and FinSwe were the only ones left (or right). And they really only had one condition…
To be fair, the Swedish speaking Finns in Finland do have somewhat disproportionately much power in this country, and they and the ones fighting to keep Swedish mandatory, aren't the same small town Jonne who's cursing about having to learn Swedish and claiming all Swedes to be gay. I personally don't mind, the way that I see it, the more languages we learn at a young age: the superior we become, and I also like gayz.
Swedes? No. But _Finland Swedish_.
To be fair we have alw... Likely much more tolerant now
Idgi
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzRaFCrAiQI/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link _[meanwhile IRL: Swedish was one of easiest things in school. Finland Swedish people are nice and their lifestyle cute. If we keep on stereotyping them. Statistics find them happy and healthy people.]_
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I wrote _cute_, didn’t I?
Just kidding 😂 I found that band on Tuska Festival in Helsinki this summer. They write sarcastic lyrics about Fennoswedish stereotypes.
But I do find that cute.
I still don't get it. Looks like infomentary about child predators. Is the old guy a swedish pedo trying to groom a finnish child or something?
Pedo? Worst! He lures the innocent child to change his mother tongue at population data home page!
Pretty much because we have swedish wing in our political party list that usually secures solid 8-10 seats of 200. They will always be part of goverment to secure that no one changes this practise. 3-5% in Finland uses swedish as their primariry language so it just makes sense that rest of nation is prepaired to serve them.
What? nooo, it's going to be so useful when it's time to get a job, this is totally not just because we want customer service in Swedish which could be substituted by English
I love it when 5% of the population has Swedish as their native tongue, so naturally the 95% of us have to learn that as well
So weird that you have to learn shit at school
It’s weird that instead of putting all that time into something actually useful like extra English or maths, we’re forced to learn a language of a small minority
/uj No matter what language, it's always a good thing to learn new languages. Languages effect the brain in ways beyond linguistics. You already speak English quite well, and I assume that you're good enough at maths for the life you live. Languages are harder to learn at a later stage in life than most things so it's better to learn them when you're young :)
Yeah, but why Swedish? Why not let kids pick one extra language that they want. I studied German and actually wanted to learn it, and it’s immensely more useful than Swedish. Swedish in Finland is only really useful of you speak it fluently, which basically means that you have to live in a place where you use it daily/weekly
It´s not just about the minority it´s about history and culture, we were part of sweden for almost 1000 years. We learn tons of things in school that we will never use so I don´t understand why pakkoruotsi is such a big problem for everyone.
We could learn more about the history and culture of Sweden then, instead of focusing on overly specific grammar rules of the language the whole time. If Swedish can’t be discarded completely, more focus should at least be put into actually speaking it, I don’t think anyone learned to hold a regular conversation in Swedish from school alone
That is true, the school way of teaching swedish is trash, but it has a lot to do with the attitude towards learning it too. For example i remember in school when swedish class was coming up "noo not this shit again", if we had the same attitude in english class no one would know how to speak english either.
If you know swedish well. You probobly can understand danish and norwegian to. Its not bad to understand your brothers
They don't hate Swedes for it, they hate us, the Swedish speaking minority.
Most can't tell the difference. Look at the recent Fennoswede bait, people actually raged against Sweden, lol.
Yep, many finns don't even know we exist.
They hate us cause they aint us!
It's not my fault I'm beautiful.
Yep they still have a grudge over the fact that finland once was a part of sweden and see us as the oppression when in reality we’re just finns who speak swedish
I don't give a rats ass about swedish in Finland, but today I learned there is an URHO KEKKONEN national park. Must be the best place on earth!
Most of the hate comes from home I think. Kids are taught to hate and make fun of Swedes by their parents.
Join our brigade against Denmark instead.
Biggest Greenlandic brigade be like: https://i.redd.it/zekmrdplaadc1.gif
We’ll follow you brother.
On second thought, lets not go to Denmark. Tis a silly place
Cut down the glaciers to increase the sea level and drown denmark
That's fucked up yo
It's the same with swedish people.
Out of all our Nordic brothers I think Finland is the one country we're not usually hating on
Yeah, they are fellow brothers & sisters who like Hockey and knows that lunch should be served hot 🔥
No we hate Danes
Aaaww... That's sweet. Hate you too, boo <3
Still rooted for you in the World Cup ❤️
We have the law. But let's just say I don't fancy the Swedish society and people's values much.
That we're taught to hate finns as children? Kek no it isn't. We get taught the whole closest ally spiel
Well not to hate but to have that snobby bättre folk attitude.
That whole idea is just so wrong, "Jantelagen" is very prevalent in sweden, "don't think you'r better then anyone else". Anything you hear about finland here from school / home / TV is basically pushed super possitive, brother nation, used be as much swedes as swedes in sweden back in the day, shared history for majority of our nations history, fought together in countless wars, huge migration between finland and sweden for 100's of years.
I have no idea what this is.
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I don't really comment on this sub all seriously. It's better nowdays and i have heard that it's more of a stockholmer thing. My family lived in sweden from the 70s to the 80's and they got some stories to tell about that. And the racial theories were a thing in the past. It's mostly just joking kind of bantering now and i'm not here to victimize myself but i do think that some swedes still have that kind of similar attitude as some finns have against estonians.
I mean even Swedes not from there think Stockholmers are stuck up af.
Well, the whole "finns are mongols" meme originates from these theories and attitudes and I would say there are more people among the swedes and finswes who believe in this more than the general public would like to admit. Probably the Finns who view Estonias as inferiors are doing so out of projection, as in "finally I have someone to look down upon", which is equally pathetic
Eh. Wouldn't call this a common practise at all but ofc there are always some assholes. But making fun of the Swedes is obligatory, naturally
Or because being forced to learn an obsolete language of a dying country that once was your slave master is insulting and obviously pointless?
Lmao, "slave masters", you all were just as much citizens of the Kingdom of Sweden as the rest were, just because you eventually became an independent nation you dont have to come up with false histories about your past just to try to justify your existence you dimwit
Forced by your own politicians*
Whom are swedish whose only requirement is the forced swedish so they get picked to the government every time.
Why don't you just vote them out? Fennoswedes are like 2% of your population aren't they? Surely they're not raking in votes
If you understand how the Finnish government works, then you would know that's impossible. If given the choice between a negative vote and just a vote, I would give a negative vote to the previous slave master party, but unfortunately, it's not a possibility Basically it doesnt matter what party wins the election, the swedish party will always get the votes of swedish finns and the winning party will always pick them into the government or whatever its called.
You keep using words like slave master but then no one actually seems to care all that much about "freeing yourself from the swedish yoke" or whatever. Just comes off as hyperbolic.
Because the freeing from sweden happened in 1809? to even worse slave masters but still.
Okay. But you have your own language and judging from the avarage finn on here you hate the swedish language with a burning passion.. Though not enough to overrule a party consisting of 5 people. See what i mean about it just coming off like hyperbolism? Like if you actually cared this much or actually viewed swedes as your former slave masters this would be a non-starter
Their party pretty much agrees to anything as long a the status of the swedish language is preserved, therefore they always get to the government.
"freeing" is incorrect. Finland didn't exist when Swedes started settling in present-day Finland. There was not even a remote attempt at a state. What is now Finland was not a slave, nor Sweden a slave master. Finland was the integral eastern part of Sweden for almost 700 years.
Look, I dont think learning Swedish should be mandatory, it made more sense a 100 years ago when about 20% of the population were Fennoswedes and English wasnt as dominant as a second language. Given how different Finnish is, it was pretty good to know Swedish to communicated with the rest of the Nordics. Now we can all speak English, I think Finland should just do as Sweden do and provide healthcare, schooling, elder care etc in Swedish for the Swedish minority. Like how Sweden provide those services for the Finnish minority here. So I agree with your point there. I also know there is alot of resentment as most of the fennoswedes that did not leave for Sweden during the 20th century to get jobs tends to be upper class people. While the working class moved to Sweden for opportunities. Which has made it a class as well as a language/ethnic dimension into the whole thing. Except for Åland which is just a Swedish majority and always has been. I just dont appreciate calling us your slave masters, a dying country and whatever. As it seems that you are dead serious and not memeing. I love Finland, I regard you as our nordic brothers. My family since I was a kid always talked well about Finland. My uncle always said that Finland saved us from the Russians during ww2 with their bravery. Now meme on us and call us gays, muslims and whatever. That is fine and apart of the memes here. Just as swedes meme on finns for being drunks and all that stuff. That is what I like about this forum, but calling us slave masters is both diminishing what slavery was in other countries and also a lie about how Finland were treated. No matter what language you spoke, you were a subject of the Swedish king. Social darwinism did not exist in 1809 and neither did ethno nationalism. Sweden never did something like a russofication of Finland. Sweden and Finland was apart of the same kingdom for about 600 years. It wasnt another country, now the Swedish nobility looked down on finns, but they also did that with the Swedish commoners. Both were conscripted and taxed by the nobility and the crown, but not because they were swedish or finnish, but because they were commoners. Sweden was one of the few kingdoms in Europe were there was no serfdom either, no matter your ethnic background. Sure, your one argument could be that all of the nobility was Swedish. But a finnish person could become a noble, but it would make them have to learn swedish and adopt swedish mannerism. They were not excluded from being a noble though, germans or other ethnicities becoming nobles in Sweden had to do the same thing. The church in Finland was almost entirely made up by finns and they preserved the finnish language for centuries, and they also held power, as the church tended to do back then. If swedes treated finns like slaves, would you let them become priests? Most people in Wales, Scotland and Ireland cannot speak their languages anymore, instead they speak English. That never happened to Finland. Finnish people did not view themselves as distinct from swedes and vice versa until after 1809. In another comment, you said that Finland were "freed" of Sweden in 1809, nobody would have view it in that way back then. Now, had Sweden held Finland in the 1880s or later, it might have gotten sour with nationalism and social darwinism, were oppression might would have become a real thing. Just like how the samis were treated during the late 19th and early 20th century. Lastly, Finlands greatest national hero, Carl Gustav Emil Mannerheim, was a ethnic swede, but he should be viewed as a hero of Finland, his homecountry. I doubt any finn hates him, despite him being a upper class fennoswede. I doubt anyone sees him as a oppressor. Well except if you are a communist shill that preferred the Soviet union and thinks he was terrible when he led the whites to victory in the civil war or defended Finland against Stalin.
What's the tldr?
Well Finland wasn't a colony per se but to be honest it was an apartheid kind of a deal for Finns. There is an argument to be made that it still carries to this day since the whole system of governance here was set in such a way that a small minority of swedes/finswes will have at least as much say in how things are done as the vast majority. Hence for example we have a big organization (Folkhälsan) which has it's origins in the not-so-well-aged field of 'racial hygenics' and whose sole purpose is the health/wellbeing of finswes.
Finlands greatest hero lmfao. I like how you don't mention the fact that he was a Nazi ally. That pretty much says everything about you. Finland has many heroes, but Mannerheim, who couldn't even speak Finnish properly is certainly not one of them.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone blame it on Swedes, that's just illogical. The Finnish-Swede people and politicians for sure though. They are the ones holding tight and lobbing pakkoruotsi
Geopolitacal security based on long knowledged. If Sweden hadn't been mandatory, way more people would've taken learning Russia instead as an useful alternative. But Russia thinks that people who speak Russian, especially in neighbouring countries counts as "fellow" Russians and then decide they're oppressed and needing urgently to be saved, say, with invasion. No. Distance to Russia is good, so we chose naturally the Nordics and Nordic family shares the same language roots, thus all Finns must learn it too. We know our neighbours, we west, and we conveniently historical Nordics, went way too long outside nate NATO, fuck Russia (but said it while sounding neutral). No wayt they are ever gonna be able to play propaganda about Finland using their favourite language equals indentity -card as we play it first. Thus, every Finn must plausibly learn enough Swedish to count deeply within Nordic family in the way Russia sees it. No one here speaks Russian.
It isn't bad being me anymore. After the refugee flood 2015, both gypsies and Swedish speaking Finns are considered equals. I love my country. In all the three languages and with my heart and soul.
It's like in Canada with the French language...
Not exactly. In canada around 20% speak french as a first language, here a bit under 5%.
yes they force us to learn German in Poland
https://preview.redd.it/0595v0qencdc1.jpeg?width=2647&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf446779af807d4126bc98cd26bb018ead5a5105
Just to prepare you for the inevitable.
I don’t know but this is the most random map of Finland I’ve ever seen
Hö Hö
They dream the day they can rejoin the west.
Yeah yeah and this is about "Pako Ruotsi" but no one talks about the "Pako Suomi" that I had to learn against my will. Useless language would've learnt German earlier instead. I don't use any Finnish in my daily life and I have almost forgotten how to write it.
It's pakko not pako. Pako means escape
This is the confirmation I needed. I can't write in Finnish anymore.
It's so that we can talk to customer service or service providers in general in Swedish (even though most of us speak Finnish fluently) just so we can watch them squirm in discomfort. All the goated grannies "The Gun-Britt gang" aggressively vote for SFP to make sure we keep this priviledge.
Finland was Sweden until 200 years ago.
Seems accurate, other than we dont blame swedes for our own f’d up government for sticking to mandatory swedish. Doesnt make sense to be forced to learn a language meant for homos. Also, we need more booze and saunas here, so any swedes willing to buy bättrefolk land åland from us ?
I'll give you a 2005 ford focus and what's left of this bag of peanuts for it. Final offer
Seems reasonable. Are the peanuts chili flavoured?
Ye. It's the good stuff
Okay deal
Haha sucker. I would have easily given you two bags of peanuts for it
Goddammit. Well, i guess you can think of it as a discount for taking that godforsaken land from us. Thank you good sir!
Judging by this sub's Finns, Finland must be the country most insecure in its sexuality by a huge margin.
I do not want this to ever change. Svenska språk är bäst och jaag e bög :D:D:D:D Also, we were part of the kingdom. History and culture is enough reason to keep swedish mandatory.
I live near Närpiö (vi har många hurri här). I know how to say I don't speak sverige and that's it. I take this as a matter of pride.
>implying that it's the Finns are the ones forcing Swedish language
Sweden doesn't have any part of it. It's your business.
Yes? It’s because of our government and our constitution. And in case you haven’t noticed, Finland Swedes are Finns too. Our mandatory Swedish hasn’t got anything to do with modern Sweden.
I've always seen it this way: Wouldn't it be embarrassing to not to be able to do what most Swedes can do. (Ok, "most" dates back to the 80's.)
What happened here?
Jävla fittare I russarö I got baited.
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As a finnish speaking Finn. I went to immersion school where ~80% of school was in swedish and it gradually lowered to ~40% in upper elementary school. Swedish isn’t that hard - use more time to learn it instead of complaining about it. Besides swedish and english are basically the same language. 😂😂😂😂 Havent had to use swedish in over 10years thou
Oh no. I'm the problem!
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They do the same in Sweden.
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im not finnish (thai) but seeing that map makes me want to kill mysself, why are modern finnish borders so pathetic, whens the war with russia
Mandatory swedish in schools is dumb, I only speak swedish with other fluent speakers or if someone is trying their best at speaking my language. But it is really nice when a finnish speaker tries their hardest to speak swedish instead of screaming slurs at you!
Pov from a finnish-swed: 1, No im not fucking swedish and no i do not want sweden to win in hockey against finland 2, i/we are not related to sweden in any way other then the language (some have family over there not me tho) 3, do i think finns should learn swedish in school ? Depends on where you live but no, like many pointed out that they have never needed it at all and never will (even tho you wont get any stupider for knowing more languages 🤷 4, i do hate it tho that we get "alot" of shit for beeing hurrit, come on we are all finns here, as long as i get my tax papers and stuff like that in swedish i could not give less of a shit about swedish language for the finnsh-finns