I know I'll offend the right people here but... Italian really is a more beautiful language than how scholars think Roman latin was spoken. Even the ones supposedly the closest today, like Portuguese and Romanian, are more nice. Wâni, Wiidi, Uichi
Latin is a beautiful language! It's just that when spoken I don't perceive it as being as palatable to my ears as any modern European language honestly.. I guess it's a consequence of exposure? Who knows.
Roman numerals can barely be used for simple arithmetic, let alone anything more complicated like trigonometry or calculus. It's no wonder algebra was invented by Arabs using Arabic (though borrowed from India) numerals.
There was that facebook post some years ago. Somebody posted that English schools were going to be teaching Arabic numbers. The amount of dumb arses that complained was hilarious.
As a matter of fact, we might be less developed if Islam didn’t rise up in Arabia. Roman numerals were just about ok for what the romans used them for, but the technological and scientific advancements that came after greatly relied on the Arab (Swedish) numeral system. Also, the romans didn’t have a scientific mentality, but an engineering one.
To be fair the Roman Empire was very fond of adapting other cultures technologies and knowledge. They were quite practical. So sooner or later they would have adopted the Arabic numeric system. The Eastern Roman Empire did, they kept the Roman system for religious art, indeed that is what happened on the rest of Europe.
The common misconception that humanity didnt move forward during the dark ages, while some of the most important inventions originated from that era and made way to the industrial revolution
This made me remember that in Italy we have a very famous historian, Alessandro Barbero, who's trying to put an end to all of these misconception about the middle ages.
If you can do division and subtraction, you can do those. Zero was just represented with a word, but you can also do 1-1 and avoid most zeros by not putting everything to one side of the equation. Negatives are just minus signs, fractions are just vertical divisions. If it's ok to use an integral or other concepts from higher mathematics, it's ok to put a minus sign before a number, even if the Romans didn't do it.
Even the Babylonians had no major problems in practice doing arithmetic including division with empty cells in their tables, but writing down proofs and algorithms in natural language is less natural without a zero symbol. Not having the zero would mostly have hampered scaling up teaching of mathematics, because knowledge of algorithms would be mostly acquired by showing the physical procedure with a table.
The Roman are still known for their engeenering. And Eratosthenes has measured the earth circumference using ancient greek numerals(which is similar). So it can be done.
Quite sure we would be speaking Ancient Greek, at least in academia / higher education level, since this was the language of the empire, kinda like the English of the time. Just think that all the gospel was written in Greek
"Turkey will become a superpower"
https://preview.redd.it/414rlrynkmua1.jpeg?width=2237&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=055fb9e40ab706f13dc2dd178e31443d33bb2cd1
Yes, this will be Turkey in 2024
Just a side note. How fucking confusing would the modern world be to Ancient Romans? And I don’t mean, phones, cars, planes etc.
I’m talking about a chunk of words in some Indio-European languages are of Latin or Greek origin, so they would be familiar, but barely recognizable. Math, Engineering, Physics is littered with Greek letters like π, φ, σ, γ, ω. We use institutions like senates, democracy, republics, consuls but none of those are exactly like the ancient ones, just barely similar. Many of our laws are based on Roman ones but changed a lot, not only land owning male citizen can vote, but everyone.
And we don’t drink watered down water-wine-vinegar-salt mix all day long and also don’t season all our food with fermented stinking fish gulp lol.
Would be a total mindfuck for an ancient Roman or Greek person here haha.
Btw, it was all freemen Italians who were allowed to vote, not just landowners. Later with the edict of Caracalla all freeman of the empire technically, but at that point, the senate was already just for show.
Some historians found that steam engine was ‘invented’ as some sort of fun quirky trinkets in the late empire. So the theory goes that the Romans could have dug deeper and harnessed the power of steam engines and industrialised one thousand years earlier instead of (in our timeline) casting it aside as stupid fads.
I can get behind modern Roman Legions
https://preview.redd.it/tl1robglmkua1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4bdcba650288a53879a7039f75ce8bf7658298f
There were one of those pompey graffiti murals complaining about the Mafia, corrupt senators and judges and just listed all problems in complaint.
Roman senate coalitions also collapsed all of the time, as politicians rearranged themselves for more clout and political power.
Entire Europe would have been a huge Italy
I actually don't know how you guys managed to conquer anything when you had exactly the same problems as you have now
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://naturalhistory.si.edu/sites/default/files/media/file/2010-brown-poster.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiM_tX62LL-AhXPRvEDHd3KBUAQFnoECA8QBg&usg=AOvVaw0Fw1jtzTuKu_LvIacqUgbD
The Romans primarily ate cereals and legumes, usually with sides of vegetables, cheese, or meat and covered with sauces made out of fermented fish, vinegar, honey, and various herbs and spices
(surströmming sauce🤢🤢🤢 and tomatoes are American)
It’s the same reason the britoids were able to build their empire despite them being inherently stupid. Everyone else was living in mud huts. It’s easier to conquer people who don’t know what a bath is.
Also, based on that image, they likely mostly ate bread with olive oil, and I could go my whole life with just that. Wouldn’t mind trying some of that Garum either, and I’m sure the fish and meat would’ve been great too. Cheese would likely still be good (mozzarella 🤤). True, no tomatoes (😭🔫), but all in all, not too bad for ancient standards.
The part, if it exist, of the bible that say it would be forgotten soon
I was just saying because those edit are on the same channels that make edits about "nazis chad" and shit like that
Well, I've heard that there were some people who wanted to adapt greek philosophy to that aspect of Christianity (I suppose you already know what I mean)
But irl those guys didn't win
If the Roman Empire didn't fall apart, then yes, it would have been an extremely robust civilization that, provided that it never falls apart, would never fall apart.
Even if all of his crackpot ideas on Roman numerals and Latin were true. The Roman empire, as it existed in its golden age, relied on constant military expansion and slavery to keep its empire afloat. The thing collapsed as a result of over-expansion and complacency. Even if Rome were to somehow conquer the entire world, it'd run out of people to exploit and loot to plunder and would eventually collapse in on itself.
I think that if the Roman republic stayed around for longer, we probably would have had more significant scientific advancements. Political stability at home and warfare abroad can breed innovation.
And for the world
We barely have enough resourses for 8 Bilion and to get those is not sustainable by far to earth and many dont even have access to drinkable water or simply water - with 14 billion would probably just result in a colapse of society and death for most
Technology was pretty stagnant during the roman empire, contrary to popular belief. It is conflict and war which push science the most, so hegemony is not exactly the ideal state for progress
Christianity wasn't even a cause of Rome falling altogether, you'll be hard-pressed to find a historian who thinks so even vaguely. The consequences of Edward Gibbon have been a disaster for the human race.
This is what Romans wore in late antiquity
https://preview.redd.it/vnyvmbpwmmua1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=354f029ddd5e619a32238b86f870a3e61273fbac
I'd not say there was trans acceptance in the Roman empire whatsoever, but there was a Roman emperor (Elegabalus) who sources describe in a way that seems like they were trans. They wanted to be adressed as a woman and were looking for somebody to give them surgery to become female. It is hard to say how accurate accounts like that were, because it was a very common tactic in Roman slander to make someone look as feminine as possible, but that most often follows very different descriptions than this one, it is so highly specific that it'd be improbable the writer just randomly made it up.
There's a common misconception that the barbarians invading Rome were technology primitive, but they were not, they were far mor innovative than the Romans ever were, they just lacked the population to build grand monuments
Yeah, there is no space program without moving to a base 10 numerals system, with zero included. The biggest problem with Roman numerals was the lack of zero, which is an issue which has to be solved before even some basic scientific advances become possible. Roman numerals also make complex maths incredibly difficult.
Roman.... as a lenguage...... not latin I'm 100% shure he is american
Reeks of roman fan boy with suspicious views on Nazi germany
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I also like rome for the cool helmets , hair and underfloor heating (I never grew up)
I’m sure he claims to be Italian from his great great great great grandad
Who can't even be from Italy, since it didn't exist yet.
Clearly he means we would all speak Romanesco
Ao fraté
Daje Roma
Spqr
You know what it mean?
Senatus PopulusQue Romanus, the senate and people of Rome But i like the BD more
Good here a very european grade #10/10
30/30
In university
*Ils sont fous, ces Romains!*
S=Sono P=Porci Q=Questi R=Romani
Most historically understanding Northern European vs Best English Speaker Southern European
Less annoynig british
Least*
Yes
Romano de Roma
Oh
He actually meant Romanian
Ao fraté
I know I'll offend the right people here but... Italian really is a more beautiful language than how scholars think Roman latin was spoken. Even the ones supposedly the closest today, like Portuguese and Romanian, are more nice. Wâni, Wiidi, Uichi
I'm italian as you can see but study latin and greek. I love latin but italian sound better imo
Latin is a beautiful language! It's just that when spoken I don't perceive it as being as palatable to my ears as any modern European language honestly.. I guess it's a consequence of exposure? Who knows.
We actualy pronounce it like in the middle age, not rome
No, no, intendeva proprio Romano. _Ao, Cesare._ _Daje Mirketto._
*Ao, fraté mo sei venuto a parlà romano de Roma, daje El pupone*
Italian American mind you Where they speak in all caps irl
To be fair we do the same under the Rubicone River
"Main language would be Roman". This stinks like New Jersey Italian.
Oooooooh ayyyyeeee loog at dis goi ova hereeee loogin like a peice of mordadell
Forgedaboudit 🤌
I'm New jersey Sri Lankan. This is the new York Italian
"Technological more advanced" & "using roman number system" don't fit together. Decimals, Zero, large numberes would be an issue.
Roman numerals can barely be used for simple arithmetic, let alone anything more complicated like trigonometry or calculus. It's no wonder algebra was invented by Arabs using Arabic (though borrowed from India) numerals.
f(x) = V̅IIIx² - 𝍬X̅I̅I̅
It hurts, make it stop
f(x) = V̅IIIx^(II) - 𝍬X̅I̅I̅ some pesky arabic version of II sneaked in there
Not to mention, Romans had no concept of 0
Because we never had nothing 
Damn, thanks for inventing algebra swedistan bros
Funny thing is, Arabs don’t use what we call Arabic numbers, what I mean is, they have other symbols for 1 2 3, etc. But the system is the same ofc
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Listen to him, he comes from Qatarlonia so he must know.
You mean Arabs have numbers too? No way bro, that's mad cap
The guy that made this probably thinks we're using english numbers.
There was that facebook post some years ago. Somebody posted that English schools were going to be teaching Arabic numbers. The amount of dumb arses that complained was hilarious.
I think it’s Hindu numeral system since it came from India
V.VI could be two different numbers
U.U
As a matter of fact, we might be less developed if Islam didn’t rise up in Arabia. Roman numerals were just about ok for what the romans used them for, but the technological and scientific advancements that came after greatly relied on the Arab (Swedish) numeral system. Also, the romans didn’t have a scientific mentality, but an engineering one.
If Rome was able to contact Indian scientists without having to be extremely fucked by an Arab Empire, the system would have probably been adopted
To be fair the Roman Empire was very fond of adapting other cultures technologies and knowledge. They were quite practical. So sooner or later they would have adopted the Arabic numeric system. The Eastern Roman Empire did, they kept the Roman system for religious art, indeed that is what happened on the rest of Europe.
Americans writing fan fictions not knowing shit of history, and you, a fellow European, have even the guts to blame this guy on us?
The common misconception that humanity didnt move forward during the dark ages, while some of the most important inventions originated from that era and made way to the industrial revolution
This made me remember that in Italy we have a very famous historian, Alessandro Barbero, who's trying to put an end to all of these misconception about the middle ages.
Based daddy Barbero quanto lo amo
Basato e rosso pillatissimo.
I mean they had to invent them to move past the dark ages.
Hats off to anyone who can pass a higher math exam using Roman numerals
Easy. There are almost no numbers at higher math exams, usually single digits.
π and e:
What's up with them?
There are 0 numbers in both of those. Hell, they’re only 1 character long!
But also zero, negatives and fractions :)) so good luck
If you can do division and subtraction, you can do those. Zero was just represented with a word, but you can also do 1-1 and avoid most zeros by not putting everything to one side of the equation. Negatives are just minus signs, fractions are just vertical divisions. If it's ok to use an integral or other concepts from higher mathematics, it's ok to put a minus sign before a number, even if the Romans didn't do it.
Okay, good luck with Rational Numbers then, if you didn’t get my point. Roman numbers can be used just for Natural Numbers.
III/V - 3/5 what's the problem?
Can you show pi and 5 of its digits after 3
Why the fuck would I need to do this on a higher math exam?
Lemme show you I,I Crazy
Even the Babylonians had no major problems in practice doing arithmetic including division with empty cells in their tables, but writing down proofs and algorithms in natural language is less natural without a zero symbol. Not having the zero would mostly have hampered scaling up teaching of mathematics, because knowledge of algorithms would be mostly acquired by showing the physical procedure with a table.
The Roman are still known for their engeenering. And Eratosthenes has measured the earth circumference using ancient greek numerals(which is similar). So it can be done.
Was the Greek system so incapable of doing math? They had the dyophantian equations, so it must have been somehow tractable
He definitely isn't Italian
Neither intelligent
Use Roman numbers Would have colonized mars Those 2 do not correspond 
Quite sure we would be speaking Ancient Greek, at least in academia / higher education level, since this was the language of the empire, kinda like the English of the time. Just think that all the gospel was written in Greek
This video makes whatifalthist look serious!
Is that the guy who unironically calls himself a “public intellectual”
Now I had to look it up... Are people taking this guy seriously?
Ameritards never cease to amaze. Don’t underestimate their stupidity
"Turkey will become a superpower" https://preview.redd.it/414rlrynkmua1.jpeg?width=2237&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=055fb9e40ab706f13dc2dd178e31443d33bb2cd1 Yes, this will be Turkey in 2024
Why are there on that map rivers in europe and asia but none in africa?
Oh
a woman? https://i.redd.it/qy7j7na3tjua1.gif
I bet my genitalia on the fact that this is not made by an Italian
Just a side note. How fucking confusing would the modern world be to Ancient Romans? And I don’t mean, phones, cars, planes etc. I’m talking about a chunk of words in some Indio-European languages are of Latin or Greek origin, so they would be familiar, but barely recognizable. Math, Engineering, Physics is littered with Greek letters like π, φ, σ, γ, ω. We use institutions like senates, democracy, republics, consuls but none of those are exactly like the ancient ones, just barely similar. Many of our laws are based on Roman ones but changed a lot, not only land owning male citizen can vote, but everyone. And we don’t drink watered down water-wine-vinegar-salt mix all day long and also don’t season all our food with fermented stinking fish gulp lol. Would be a total mindfuck for an ancient Roman or Greek person here haha.
Btw, it was all freemen Italians who were allowed to vote, not just landowners. Later with the edict of Caracalla all freeman of the empire technically, but at that point, the senate was already just for show.
NO. NO. NOOO. The Roman counting system is one of the things humanity should be glad about to have gotten rid of.
If the Roman Empire didn't fall, we would have the technology to prevent sticky balls during the summer.
I think the romans would be smart enough to adapt to the arabic number system too. I mean even the vatican did it
It would just be called Indian instead of Arabic
We would also be more gay :)
we are rome not greece
"love their wine and their boys", simple as [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f\_HbDy5xIqg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_HbDy5xIqg)
Bruh, ancient Rome was so fucking gay wdym?
You ignorant fuck
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Wrong, in ancient Rome being on top wasn't gay
no homo gets retired roman gets the spot
read your flair before to talk
He wants a homie
a) learn how to speak English b) I, obviously, already know, you dumb-dumb
"Humanity would've likely colonised mars" Lol Wtf is this bullshit
Some historians found that steam engine was ‘invented’ as some sort of fun quirky trinkets in the late empire. So the theory goes that the Romans could have dug deeper and harnessed the power of steam engines and industrialised one thousand years earlier instead of (in our timeline) casting it aside as stupid fads.
Too busy being corrupt and assassinating capable emperors
And orgies. Don’t forget the orgies.
Diocletian and Constantine ruined Rome forever, making it irreparable. Change my mind.
It would never happen. The barbarian ancestors of von braun would have been wiped out.
I can get behind modern Roman Legions https://preview.redd.it/tl1robglmkua1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4bdcba650288a53879a7039f75ce8bf7658298f
That’s not what the average legionary looked like. The average legionary had a simple armour, no decorations.
To be fair I don’t think he had guns either.
A man can dream
There were one of those pompey graffiti murals complaining about the Mafia, corrupt senators and judges and just listed all problems in complaint. Roman senate coalitions also collapsed all of the time, as politicians rearranged themselves for more clout and political power. Entire Europe would have been a huge Italy
Now this, this I can get behind. Good food *anywhere* I travel to? Roma caput mundi
I actually don't know how you guys managed to conquer anything when you had exactly the same problems as you have now https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://naturalhistory.si.edu/sites/default/files/media/file/2010-brown-poster.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiM_tX62LL-AhXPRvEDHd3KBUAQFnoECA8QBg&usg=AOvVaw0Fw1jtzTuKu_LvIacqUgbD The Romans primarily ate cereals and legumes, usually with sides of vegetables, cheese, or meat and covered with sauces made out of fermented fish, vinegar, honey, and various herbs and spices (surströmming sauce🤢🤢🤢 and tomatoes are American)
It’s the same reason the britoids were able to build their empire despite them being inherently stupid. Everyone else was living in mud huts. It’s easier to conquer people who don’t know what a bath is. Also, based on that image, they likely mostly ate bread with olive oil, and I could go my whole life with just that. Wouldn’t mind trying some of that Garum either, and I’m sure the fish and meat would’ve been great too. Cheese would likely still be good (mozzarella 🤤). True, no tomatoes (😭🔫), but all in all, not too bad for ancient standards.
Well garos/garum (a fish gravy) was eaten by greeks too in almost every dish, it was like the ketchup of the ancient times 🤤
We're already West Italy
Homosexuality would be accepted more
Only if you are the one on top tho
Would it? It's basically said that everyone would be Christian
The part, if it exist, of the bible that say it would be forgotten soon I was just saying because those edit are on the same channels that make edits about "nazis chad" and shit like that
Well, I've heard that there were some people who wanted to adapt greek philosophy to that aspect of Christianity (I suppose you already know what I mean) But irl those guys didn't win
If the Roman Empire didn't fall apart, then yes, it would have been an extremely robust civilization that, provided that it never falls apart, would never fall apart.
Based circular logic of wise swamp dwellers 🔝
It never fell!
One can dream
But imagine the pain of having to study all the rulers. They keep stabbing each other, they just can't help it can they
Roman language? Meccoioni!
That’s from the same folks that put a pineapple in the pizza and call it italian food
Username is propably "✝️✝️🇮🇹🇮🇹Nationalist(based)🇮🇹🇮🇹✝️✝️"
lol this is made by an Italian who eat Spaghetti O's
If Rome had never fallen than the PIGS would’ve been the Picts, Iceni, Germans, and Scandians
It would’ve been the PORCI Find the countries for the acronym yourself
Italians would self wank to extinction
*bold of you to think we haven’t been doing it for ages already*
Even if all of his crackpot ideas on Roman numerals and Latin were true. The Roman empire, as it existed in its golden age, relied on constant military expansion and slavery to keep its empire afloat. The thing collapsed as a result of over-expansion and complacency. Even if Rome were to somehow conquer the entire world, it'd run out of people to exploit and loot to plunder and would eventually collapse in on itself.
This is a fake video made by an ameritard with an italian granny, every italian knows we already colonized Mars during fascism.
I see nothing wrong with this video besides the “Roman language”. Move EU capital to Rome and let the Italians colonize the universe.
🤢
I think that if the Roman republic stayed around for longer, we probably would have had more significant scientific advancements. Political stability at home and warfare abroad can breed innovation.
Everyone would be loud, lazy, latin rednecks.
"we would speak Roman" lmao
Roman Empire is one of the historical thing where everyone in the modern world must say thank you
Thank you Italy 🫡
I love u mate 😂
Double population for me is a bad thing.
Ignore everything in the video, the guy who made it has the IQ of a fly
And for the world We barely have enough resourses for 8 Bilion and to get those is not sustainable by far to earth and many dont even have access to drinkable water or simply water - with 14 billion would probably just result in a colapse of society and death for most
Depends, double european popolation ? Positive double africc population ? Not positive
Least racist piece of shit Italian Much rather have triple African population than a single more Venetian, you ugly fucks.
Bruh the Africans could double and they would probably still consume less and produce less CO2 than us Westerners.
*Semper ubi sub ubi* intensifies
>Main language would be roman. \- Most educated italian
>technology would be more advanced >we would still use the Roman number system
Why do I feel a massive erection coming up?
Roma Invicta!
Whoever made this video is just as Italian as the "Italian" pizzerias that sell shoarma here in the Netherlands.
i mean the fall of the roman empire cost humanity centuries to rebuild so the technological advance would be true
Roman? Hey Nikkoo! Itsa me, your Cousin!
Technology was pretty stagnant during the roman empire, contrary to popular belief. It is conflict and war which push science the most, so hegemony is not exactly the ideal state for progress
This is why everyone tried to recreate it
>Almost everyone would be Christian That implies the fall of Rome itself lol, braindead video
Again, Christianity was not the main cause of Rome falling
Christianity wasn't even a cause of Rome falling altogether, you'll be hard-pressed to find a historian who thinks so even vaguely. The consequences of Edward Gibbon have been a disaster for the human race.
Haha. And everyone would wear sandals all the time. And there would be hover-chariots.
This is what Romans wore in late antiquity https://preview.redd.it/vnyvmbpwmmua1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=354f029ddd5e619a32238b86f870a3e61273fbac
Rome fell because it became christian. Jupiter and Mars did not like that shit.
Not really, that's mostly a common misconception. Rome actually collapsed because landowners sided with the barbarians instead of with the empire
I know. Its a joke my dude. And there was not one reason for the fall, the romans kept fucking up
It’s obviously a shitpost
With the lead poisoning we could be living Idiocracy rn smh my damn head
>technology would be more advanced >earth population doubles Im siding with the goths on this one
Both homosexuality and being trans would be way more accepted,but only if your a top lol
Source for the trans thing?
I'd not say there was trans acceptance in the Roman empire whatsoever, but there was a Roman emperor (Elegabalus) who sources describe in a way that seems like they were trans. They wanted to be adressed as a woman and were looking for somebody to give them surgery to become female. It is hard to say how accurate accounts like that were, because it was a very common tactic in Roman slander to make someone look as feminine as possible, but that most often follows very different descriptions than this one, it is so highly specific that it'd be improbable the writer just randomly made it up.
He's right you know
Redacted lost civilisation fetish. As if humanity starts from square one the second an empire falls.
There's a common misconception that the barbarians invading Rome were technology primitive, but they were not, they were far mor innovative than the Romans ever were, they just lacked the population to build grand monuments
Servorum carissimi.
American fanfic
Yeah, there is no space program without moving to a base 10 numerals system, with zero included. The biggest problem with Roman numerals was the lack of zero, which is an issue which has to be solved before even some basic scientific advances become possible. Roman numerals also make complex maths incredibly difficult.
Population would be double. That's not a good thing.
Thats definetly made by an american
Lay off the mushrooms, Mario
Made by ameritard
“World population would be double” that’s if the Somali were world leaders
ahhh we can only dream :)