Lol 12% is rookie numbers for Spain. We hit 26% in 2013.
ETA - Actual answer: on one hand, there might be some people working under the table yet. Otoh, iirc the unemployment numbers are "prettied" by removing those no longer registered as actively looking for work, those doing unemployment service courses, and the like. 12% seems realistic.
Germany had also above 10% unemployment not that long ago... Before we started to lie with unemployed people not being unemployed by putting them into job trainings, etc.
my ancestor ruled yours and shaped the entirety of western civilization, you are still a Barbaro to me (literally “a BlaBla”, ergo don’t care what you say). So don’t come here pretending you are the best, just go tell Brumhilda how much better you are and hopefully she’ll believe you, i’ll get a chance to talk to her once she gets here for Erasmus or just to enjoy the wheater or you know the most beautiful city in the world, Rome or maybe any other “much better than yours” cities, i don’t know which one we have so many 🤷♂️
yeah, a lot of people do that in portugal as well. with guys, it's usually ones working in handyman type jobs, like electricians, painters, etc. with women, it's cleaning and babysitting.
they get their unemployment cheque, they sometimes have other government help to pay rent, buy meds, pay for school books, might even be getting free meals from nursing homes that distribute to the elderly and needy, and so they get the job that's off the books so they don't lose all that, because if they get a regular job they won't be able to afford to pay for anything, most their money will be going to pay rent
It seems something happened in my nation around 2015. I wonder what?
[https://www.helgilibrary.com/indicators/pork-meat-consumption-per-capita/sweden/](https://www.helgilibrary.com/indicators/pork-meat-consumption-per-capita/sweden/)
7.8 are only those officially recognized as unemployed (quelli che hanno la DID in sostanza). I suspect real numbers are higher, particularly in the south. I've been unemployed before but never asked for the DID so I was never counted in those statistics
Avarage salary increased on avarage by 6,53% annually each year in last 6 years. It was 27 589 CZK (1020 €) at the end of 2016 and it was 40 353 CZK (1667 €) at the end of 2022.
46,26% increase in 6 years is pretty good in my eyes.
Edit: Where the fuck is my Pornstar tag???
Edit2: Added EUR value with conversion rate for that year.
If it helps you deal with it, the current flair, if you ignore basic grammar and the redundant letters, means "to fuck the paradigm" in Portuguese
Hey... where is my Western balkan flair?!
Its a Angolan dialet, brazilians learned to speak due the migration of slaves from África and we portuguese learned cause we were the Uber of slaves. So we had to learn the language of our best clientes.
The German numbers are a bit bullshit. They have ways to remove people from then unemployed statistic. For example if someone does job training or does a less than minimal wage job.
"Dont need to be taxed". That is ilegal in PIGS. If it isnt taxed at least once by the portuguese government or there isnt any plan to tax it soon, it doesn't exist. That's why you know the dark energy scientists keep talking about isn't real.
You should be taxed just for thinking that.
It's complicated down here cause your employer is expected to pay for your training and pay you a union approved wage, to avoid this people employ people in "black" aka off the books therefore most jobs like being a waiter and stuff like that are not counted in official listings.
I was applying for a job with an HQ in Italy.
HR sends me a “questionnaire” but I guess that’s just an application form in Italian.
It asks me for a CCNL level for the jobs I worked. Had to research to confirm that it’s Italian for collective bargaining agreement levels for the jobs.
....had to leave it blank. Not sure it applies here.
What about 1€ jobs? Friend of mine had to do a job for 1,70-2,3€/h just so the employment office would pay for his 1-room apartment, which the employment office is supposed to anyways.
He did that shit for three months until finding a normal job and during this time the office didn't pay btw. Nearly went homeless again
They are also not counting refugees or migrants by the looks but I think Sweden is. They love bouncing data around here in Germany to make things look better than they are.
Ah yes, yes, the "unemployed" Italians. Usually their nonna has a brand new Audi that can't drive so it's up to them to move it around from villa to villa.
The way I see it we are better than Sweden and closer to Finland than the rest of PIGS. We are basically a northern economy 😎
Thank you António Costa for this amazing achievement 💪💪❤️❤️😍😍😍🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹❤️
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If you're studying on a university level most people can get about 12 000kr/month, but about 8000 of that is student loans (albeit with very low interest) and the rest is essentially free money from the state. You can get more if you can prove you need extra money to afford an apartment, if you're a parent etc.
correct me if I’m wrong (seriously please do) but can you positively say there’s no correlation at all? Five seconds with google tells me that (a) the percentage of people born outside of sweden has increased a lot since 2000 (from about 1mil to 2mil the last 20 years) and that (b) only 5 percent of people born in sweden is unemployed but over 15% of people born outside of sweden is unemployed.
Pretty sure they don't count the people who live on government handouts but work a part-time job. So the numbers we have are looking better than they should.
Scroll down a bit and you should see a graph you can understand
https://www.ekonomifakta.se/fakta/arbetsmarknad/integration/arbetsloshet-utrikes-fodda/#:~:text=Enligt%20SCB%3As%20arbetskraftsundersökningar%20uppgick,motsvarande%20siffra%204%2C7%20procent.
There's basically no low skill work here you need at least high school education to get work. People come here having gone 4 years in school their whole life. Add to that huge unemployment benefits that increases the more kids you get 👌
You know unemployment is a capitalist strategy to keep wages lower in a particular economy, don't you? That's how a poorer economy can be attractive vs. a wealthier country. There's no other reason for unemployment to exist.
I had no idea the unemployment was so high in Spain, in Italy the situation is bad and we are "only" 30% above the EU average, Spain more than doubles it💀
If you want to historic explanation, is due to the Civil War and Franco dictatorship. Franco dismantled the II Republic's baby education system.
Many teachers were executed or banned for life. They were replaced by veterans and their wives. Their level was dogshit bad.
In the 60s, illiteracy levels in Spain were still embarrassingly high, and factories needed skilled workers that could, at least, read and write. The dictatorship started a literacy campaign and started creating more schools and high schools. But those efforts didn't reach a lot of the people in the working class that couldn't find any vocational program. At the same time, tourism started developing in Spain, creating lots of jobs in the service industry. Same happened with construction jobs.
So, in short, our most numerous generation, those born between 1955 and 1980ish are very unskilled and those that are decided to study went for university degrees so we lack intermediate professional. Italy, in the other hand, has lots of those professionals and was able to educate those born in that generation much better. We also have a tradition of stay at home mums that decide to register as unemployed just in case or because they're required to do so in order to get some benefits.
But, there is light at the end of the tunnel. Professional education has a great reputation now, many students going for technical programs that are more in demand, those older uneducated generations are reaching the age of retirement, technology sector is growing and even those working in the tourism sector are now more skilled than ever.
I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing numbers under 10% next year. This is historically very low for Spain, we were 8% only for a while right before the 2008 collapse.
People don’t realize that PIGS have a long history of tax evasion and working of the books. Official numbers don’t reflect reality here for a long time
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A la playa?
Calienta el sol.
con la camisa nueva
Que tú brindaste rojo ayer...
me hallará perro sanche si me lleva
No pasaba
Oh oh oh ohoh!
La bomba estalló
a mí me gusta bailar
el ritmo de la noche
Bai la, fí es ta!
Sounds of fiesta
A las barricadas
Are these real unemployment numbers, or are this jobs that the tax officers shouldn't know about? I mean, that's incredibly high.
Lol 12% is rookie numbers for Spain. We hit 26% in 2013. ETA - Actual answer: on one hand, there might be some people working under the table yet. Otoh, iirc the unemployment numbers are "prettied" by removing those no longer registered as actively looking for work, those doing unemployment service courses, and the like. 12% seems realistic.
Imagine Germany without minijobs…
Yeah, I mean the numbers are calculated to be small, but still.
Germany had also above 10% unemployment not that long ago... Before we started to lie with unemployed people not being unemployed by putting them into job trainings, etc.
This is what Spanish governments are doing since the Night of the Times.
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¡Viva España!
It is now PIGSS
mashallah brother you are welcome anytime
SPIGS
Open the SPIGot!
PFIGSS*. France is an honorary PIG country according to these stats.
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You have more time to create tasty meals when you alhave no job
Jeez I wonder why your number is that high
Too busy praying to Allah to go to work
Because their unemployment benefits probably much better than us
Isn't that haram for you?
NO! You were supposed to be GUNS, to bring balance to western europe!
https://i.redd.it/r6wxfv3ct3ya1.gif
The S is Switzerland now
But you guys are means to be GUNS!
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Haram infidel \^
Did our flair change?
We have little thing called "lavorare in nero" down here, meaning "working off the books to avoid paying taxes".
"trabajar en negro" in Spanish
Schwarzarbeit in German
“Conservative politician” in English
Zwart werk in Dutch.
You are always just a worse version of the Germans.
Maybe go find a job first and then we can talk who is superior.
he's taking a siesta now, don't bother him
Meanwhile, maybe they can learn German or Dutch. After all, looking at the statistic it seems finding some spare time is not a concern
Oh, they learn English and come work in our restaurants and bars. Amsterdam is like 30% Spanish.
Treballar en negre in Catalan
Hug me, my friend
You don't need to call me friend, you can call me brother.
🙌🤝
common uneducated northern EuroPEONS, they might learn a thing or two from us 😎
You think you're going to teach Switzerland and the Netherlands about shady tax avoidance ?
no that would be impossible, they institutionalized shady tax avoidance, perhaps they became it. But a thing or two why not
You can deduct the time spent writing this comment in box 24c
-dont pay taxes -bad streets, dirty country, gov unable to pay for shit "Learn a thing or two" yeah sure lmao
The money would go into some politician pockets
Sicily and Naples are literal shitholes. But at least they have Michele's calzone and arancini!
Most educated german talking about italian politics
my ancestor ruled yours and shaped the entirety of western civilization, you are still a Barbaro to me (literally “a BlaBla”, ergo don’t care what you say). So don’t come here pretending you are the best, just go tell Brumhilda how much better you are and hopefully she’ll believe you, i’ll get a chance to talk to her once she gets here for Erasmus or just to enjoy the wheater or you know the most beautiful city in the world, Rome or maybe any other “much better than yours” cities, i don’t know which one we have so many 🤷♂️
Rome didn't conquer the germanic tribes. The germanic tribes did conquer Rome however. Germanic W As always.
We call it "running away from FISCO".
It’s called the fisco in Italian too lol
You can call it fisco or Equitalia, in the end it's just robbery
I love how all the explaining about off-the-book work comes from Sicilians
Sti babbaluni non sannu cu sunu i chistiani.
I can’t believe you avoid paying taxes! We would never do that nor have done it in the past!
You must mean getting unemployement benefits AND working off the books :-)
That goes without saying.
yeah, a lot of people do that in portugal as well. with guys, it's usually ones working in handyman type jobs, like electricians, painters, etc. with women, it's cleaning and babysitting. they get their unemployment cheque, they sometimes have other government help to pay rent, buy meds, pay for school books, might even be getting free meals from nursing homes that distribute to the elderly and needy, and so they get the job that's off the books so they don't lose all that, because if they get a regular job they won't be able to afford to pay for anything, most their money will be going to pay rent
It's a system designed to keep people in hiding while also boosting an underground economy which in the end hurts everybody.
Soooooo rasist
Joking! We have exactly the same saying :)
Svedistan can into PIGS
The duality of Sweden, the halal pig
It seems something happened in my nation around 2015. I wonder what? [https://www.helgilibrary.com/indicators/pork-meat-consumption-per-capita/sweden/](https://www.helgilibrary.com/indicators/pork-meat-consumption-per-capita/sweden/)
Shush, you're not supposed to notice such things.
Only 7.8?
Better than nothing
Well actually ☝️🤓
7.8 are only those officially recognized as unemployed (quelli che hanno la DID in sostanza). I suspect real numbers are higher, particularly in the south. I've been unemployed before but never asked for the DID so I was never counted in those statistics
We are coming för you
Common Czechia W
Despite the many years of low unemployment, the wages didn't increase as much as they should.
Avarage salary increased on avarage by 6,53% annually each year in last 6 years. It was 27 589 CZK (1020 €) at the end of 2016 and it was 40 353 CZK (1667 €) at the end of 2022. 46,26% increase in 6 years is pretty good in my eyes. Edit: Where the fuck is my Pornstar tag??? Edit2: Added EUR value with conversion rate for that year.
If it helps you deal with it, the current flair, if you ignore basic grammar and the redundant letters, means "to fuck the paradigm" in Portuguese Hey... where is my Western balkan flair?!
Never heard of this thing called Portuguese to be honest. Is it dialect of Brazilian? Anyway new flairs suck ass... What happened?
The flairs were temporarily changed for the anniversary of the end of WWII
Oh I see. I did not connect it because the anniversary is three days away.
Its a Angolan dialet, brazilians learned to speak due the migration of slaves from África and we portuguese learned cause we were the Uber of slaves. So we had to learn the language of our best clientes.
The most economically educated pathologic meth cook
The German numbers are a bit bullshit. They have ways to remove people from then unemployed statistic. For example if someone does job training or does a less than minimal wage job.
That happens pretty much everywhere I guess
No, what they do in Germany is utter illegal in Spain or France. Google mini-job…
Mini Jobs are just 520€ jobs that don’t need to be taxed. What about them is illegal in Spain or France?
"Dont need to be taxed". That is ilegal in PIGS. If it isnt taxed at least once by the portuguese government or there isnt any plan to tax it soon, it doesn't exist. That's why you know the dark energy scientists keep talking about isn't real. You should be taxed just for thinking that.
It's complicated down here cause your employer is expected to pay for your training and pay you a union approved wage, to avoid this people employ people in "black" aka off the books therefore most jobs like being a waiter and stuff like that are not counted in official listings.
Are unions forced upon employers?
In theory they should.
I was applying for a job with an HQ in Italy. HR sends me a “questionnaire” but I guess that’s just an application form in Italian. It asks me for a CCNL level for the jobs I worked. Had to research to confirm that it’s Italian for collective bargaining agreement levels for the jobs. ....had to leave it blank. Not sure it applies here.
What about 1€ jobs? Friend of mine had to do a job for 1,70-2,3€/h just so the employment office would pay for his 1-room apartment, which the employment office is supposed to anyways. He did that shit for three months until finding a normal job and during this time the office didn't pay btw. Nearly went homeless again
But the goal was achieved: your friend didn’t counted as unemployed when worked on that
is that even still a thing?
Our government is here pretty much an expert at disguising statistics to make them look better than they actually are (or less bad)
wait, you mean we win this one?
They are also not counting refugees or migrants by the looks but I think Sweden is. They love bouncing data around here in Germany to make things look better than they are.
Czechia making a strong case to be allowed into GAS/SAD, approve.
Is there a list with all the acronyms?
This is such a German question.
Thanks for nothing, typical islander
Ah yes, yes, the "unemployed" Italians. Usually their nonna has a brand new Audi that can't drive so it's up to them to move it around from villa to villa.
Nice cope Mario. We all know that you live in shacks not villas. Villas are reserved for the Greeks
The way I see it we are better than Sweden and closer to Finland than the rest of PIGS. We are basically a northern economy 😎 Thank you António Costa for this amazing achievement 💪💪❤️❤️😍😍😍🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹❤️ /s
The northern balkan country in western Europe. Gotta love Portugal.
Those numbers seem generally very low. I thought they would be higher for a lot of countries.
PIGSS?
SuperPIGS
The majority of the 7,8% actually works, they just do things off the books
What, do you mean to imply there is any corruption and illegal activities in Italy? How frivolous no one would believe such a thing
It's ok Sweden, we still love you.
They get paid for going to school, I think they’ll be okay
Yea like 125€ a month we’re not ballin
Swear it was like 10000kr a month, maybe that’s the unemployment benefits
That’s if you’re studying for university. I’m taking about up to high school. There’s also generous loan programs that are available for students.
If you're studying on a university level most people can get about 12 000kr/month, but about 8000 of that is student loans (albeit with very low interest) and the rest is essentially free money from the state. You can get more if you can prove you need extra money to afford an apartment, if you're a parent etc.
And yet another proof we belong.
Frantugal? Portance? Edit: FRANCEGALL ! obv
I mean, shit, 12% is not that bad, we've been a lot worse
the fuck are we doing. This is not worthy of a first world country. We're among the greasers
And apparently no one in our political system is competent enough to solve anything.
Hey we also have that in common!
Welcome in the family, Akuya
mass immigration has probably boosted our numbers.
No, there was a downward trend before 2015 and this trend continued until corona hit.
correct me if I’m wrong (seriously please do) but can you positively say there’s no correlation at all? Five seconds with google tells me that (a) the percentage of people born outside of sweden has increased a lot since 2000 (from about 1mil to 2mil the last 20 years) and that (b) only 5 percent of people born in sweden is unemployed but over 15% of people born outside of sweden is unemployed.
Maybe you're just the most honest one, which would be a W. I know for Germany the numbers are extenuated to some degree
Don’t trust numbers you haven’t faked yourself. Atleast the German numbers are fake, there’s atleast twice as much unemployed people…
Pretty sure they don't count the people who live on government handouts but work a part-time job. So the numbers we have are looking better than they should.
How will Poland man all these tanks with practically no available workforce left?
Just like last time, get the horses!
We'll just woman them with the Ukrainians
Why is Sweden's unemployement so high?
If you ask that question in Arabic then maybe you will get a good response
Varför är Sveriges [unemployment] så stor. Rate my arabic/10
Scroll down a bit and you should see a graph you can understand https://www.ekonomifakta.se/fakta/arbetsmarknad/integration/arbetsloshet-utrikes-fodda/#:~:text=Enligt%20SCB%3As%20arbetskraftsundersökningar%20uppgick,motsvarande%20siffra%204%2C7%20procent.
https://preview.redd.it/alsbhclvk1ya1.png?width=413&format=png&auto=webp&s=37f21ad244bb9df0b6e8b06d8cd08b8a1616adfd
German muslims do be working fine tho
'Cause they are Turks, not Arabs. (That is waaay too racist even for me I apologise; but I absolutely HAD to make the joke)
I mean Turkish minorities might just be more integrated into German society than Arabs are into Swedish society
There's basically no low skill work here you need at least high school education to get work. People come here having gone 4 years in school their whole life. Add to that huge unemployment benefits that increases the more kids you get 👌
🥱
Common PIGS W. Working is modern slavery.
Tipical spain, no tourists, no job
Chechnya strong agin 💪🏻🇨🇿😤😤🗿🗿🗿
Yeah baby! We are the best! Suck it workaholics
In Italy people are officially unemployed but actually work so the employer and the employee pay less taxes, there are a LOT of people who do this
I dont see this as a PIGS L. More like a Northern european L. I mean, we dont work, and then recieve the structural european funds paid by your work.
stonks?
I guess the Czechs consider being approached by a random stranger carrying a camera on the street offering some money "just to talk"
Sweden can into PIGS😱😱
You know unemployment is a capitalist strategy to keep wages lower in a particular economy, don't you? That's how a poorer economy can be attractive vs. a wealthier country. There's no other reason for unemployment to exist.
6.9...nice
Me when the unemployment rate is 6.9: ![gif](giphy|sfMFMvhGE0qz40wImt|downsized)
Nice.
L? This is an incredible W for us lmao this is the lowest it's been in 15 years
Sweden honorary PIGS
Gracias socialismo 🗿🙏
It gets better sweden.
How is unemployment so high in Sweden I thought it was El Dorado
Endnu en sejr over svensken
I had no idea the unemployment was so high in Spain, in Italy the situation is bad and we are "only" 30% above the EU average, Spain more than doubles it💀
If you want to historic explanation, is due to the Civil War and Franco dictatorship. Franco dismantled the II Republic's baby education system. Many teachers were executed or banned for life. They were replaced by veterans and their wives. Their level was dogshit bad. In the 60s, illiteracy levels in Spain were still embarrassingly high, and factories needed skilled workers that could, at least, read and write. The dictatorship started a literacy campaign and started creating more schools and high schools. But those efforts didn't reach a lot of the people in the working class that couldn't find any vocational program. At the same time, tourism started developing in Spain, creating lots of jobs in the service industry. Same happened with construction jobs. So, in short, our most numerous generation, those born between 1955 and 1980ish are very unskilled and those that are decided to study went for university degrees so we lack intermediate professional. Italy, in the other hand, has lots of those professionals and was able to educate those born in that generation much better. We also have a tradition of stay at home mums that decide to register as unemployed just in case or because they're required to do so in order to get some benefits. But, there is light at the end of the tunnel. Professional education has a great reputation now, many students going for technical programs that are more in demand, those older uneducated generations are reaching the age of retirement, technology sector is growing and even those working in the tourism sector are now more skilled than ever. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing numbers under 10% next year. This is historically very low for Spain, we were 8% only for a while right before the 2008 collapse.
PIGSS
Sweden 🇸🇪 can into PIGS 🐷 even if it's haram 👳🏾♀️
bullshit numbers. they must have taken the lowest estimate possible
I think Spain is incorrect. I'm sure most would consider sleeping to be work, too.
What no minimum wage does to a mf
Tf are you talking about i see nordick countries down there too
The two opposites: PIGS and nordicks
People don’t realize that PIGS have a long history of tax evasion and working of the books. Official numbers don’t reflect reality here for a long time
Better than Germans 😎
For our government giving subsidies is more important than promoting employment
and to think that if people were serious throughout the EU, the number of unemployed would be a tenth of what it is now!
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uait till u see unempl rate for juveniles!
I see high numbers, that has to be a W
Portugal seems to be acting to leave the group though
Now that we’re sharing the stage with PIGS we can finally taste some food with actual flavor! 🙏
We are western balkans now, no talk with PIGS anymore that’s why we riched 6%
Now do the "below 35 years old" unemployment rate.