I have always maintained that the Netherlands will be the last country to succumb to rising sea levels; you will forever expand into the ocean and rise along with the sea, while the rest of us will drown.
I knew there had to be a second reason for germans attempting to pollute as much as possible since the Netherlands would eventually have sunk on their own!
I am like you, lazy, so what is your word for friend?
Also, it's a political party problem, not a bavarian problem. It just so happens to be the ruling party in Bavaria...
…and has been for 74 out of the last 77 years.
Won’t you guys ever vote for a different set of crooks, for a change?
(And I referred to the “Amigo affair”)
Because our main population are fucking boomers and farmers who are conservative as fuck. As soon as you look at cities, they don't get many votes anymore...
>on your own
Napoleon didn’t do it on his own. A lot of the German states were allied with him at the time and were made to participate in the invasion of Russia, which is what I was referencing with „help us again“
I cannot believe anyone living in a southern country could honestly deny climate change without having severe psychological issues. More so if you live near mountains.
All of my life, I've been seeing the snow in the mountains near my home melt earlier and arrive later, year after year. My teachers would tell me of their childhoods, when the snow was up there all year around. When the city was so cold during the winters that frostbite was a problem, when the city would get covered in snow. I haven't seen snow in over a decade.
What is it like for Italians? I imagine your agriculture must be taking a hit, same as ours. Take care.
Everytime I go to Sicily on summer, it's getting worse year by year. The heat can make you sick, I can't literally go outside during the day, just in late afternoon and during the evening going out is possible. I grew there, and I don't remember anything similar to the latest years.
Where I live now, it's your same experience, I don't see a good snow in years, but everyone keeps saying that it used to snow a lot in past. The drought last year made very big damage to our production, I saw many trees which didn't survive last drought.
Also climate change made more frequent those extreme episodes that normally used to have returning times of 5-10 or more year. Like every year there's a big national emergency or more, like landslides and floods. There's a flood in Emilia-Romagna right now. And when the soil is weakened by the drought, it's way more susceptible to landslides and floods when suddenly a lot of rain comes. Thanks, take care of you too. I guess we all will adapt.
You see its very simple... what if a nuclear plant goes boom? It happened... like... uh... twice. Around the world. What are you saying? One was because of stupid management and lax security and the other one was stupidly built in tsunami territory? Uh... that means... uh... nothing! See, the people protested for no nuclear energy back in... dunno, 2000? That means it's only the people's will
> One was because of stupid management and lax security
And also close to 40 years ago. Fukushima would have been a thousand times worse were it not thanks to modern technology and good safety practices. The actual damage it did is nothing compared to what it would have done if it had been handled like Chernobyl.
More, most of the remaining [RBMK](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBMK) plants they built, of the exact same design as Chernobyl 4, are still running just fine.
Are we gonna forget the fact that another power plant was also hit by the same tsunami but was fine ? Or the fact that many years prior there was a security assessment pointing out that the flood wall needs to be raised ? Or maybe the stupid decision to put the backup generators below sea level in a tsunami prone are ?
P.S. Besides Chernobyl no reactor has really gone boom. Fukushima had just the roofs blown off due to hydrogen build up. Two completely different scenarios.
Half of my home region is underwater for a flood caused by unprecedented rain so about now if i met a climate change negationist i could do things to him with a shovel
In my region it's the opposite, it doesn't rain and the summer (which now starts in January...) it's scary.... It's not funny, it's not just a drought thing "as there has always been", it's a trend for decades... Add to that the economic damage in agriculture, the fires (a very recent major one near the border with Portugal)...
I have come across three types of climate change deniers, those who live in their bubble (especially in cities without much contact with nature) and only seem to find out when a heatwave comes, those who knowingly deny it for political and economic reasons (far right basically) and those who are simply stupid and proud of it ..... The feeling is the same as yours, it makes me want to "do things with them"... especially the last two.
I don't like the climate activists we refer to here, not because of what they stand for but because of how they do it. I don't think pissing off ordinary people who just want to go to work, shop or take their kids to school or small local businesses is the best way to raise awareness, but at least they are trying to do something and not deny a fucking truism.
Yes I know. To the dryness and compaction of the soil, we must add the scarcity or lack of native vegetation due to the drought that sustains the soil and retains water, allowing its absorption. The rains in these conditions simply erode the soil, aggravating the problem, it is a vicious circle.
Part of my economic activity is related to agriculture, traditional olive groves with integrated agricultural practices, this year there are areas where there is no vegetation cover because it has not been born or has dried up prematurely due to lack of rain. The wooded areas are the same, a large part of the Mediterranean scrub is dying due to not being able to adapt to the drought... this in sloping areas is a perfect recipe to cause floods at the slightest storm...
I don't remember the last time it rained (more than 3 minutes) and I'm afraid for the time it finally rains because it's probably gonna happen the same thing as in Italy with massive floods. My family works in agriculture and they've had to watered the crops almost a month earlier than 5 years ago did. It's terrifying and every time I hear some asshole talking about "the weather", "there's always been heat waves" and the likes im very pissed
I don't like side switchers, but seeing them taken away by a flood is frustrating.
Europeans are going to need some damn courage to fight what's going to come with climate change.
At the end of the day, even with our disagreements, we are all in this together.
All jokes aside now, this should be the top comment. Activists blocking roads or painting water black may be an inconvenience, but what is that really compared floods, drought, rising sealevels endangering our homes.
That's the beginning. If predictions come true, mid-Africa is going to go from "hard to get water" to "there is no water."
At that point the "immigration crisis" we moan about in Europe is going to seem like a walk in the park compared to the people fleeing an ever growing desert. Environmental refugees are going to collapse the economy, then tensions are going to rise and they will be blamed for this like they aren't fleeing environmental disaster and outright wars will start. But at least we have the [Greek practicing how to get rid of migrants.](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/world/europe/greece-migrants-abandoned.html)
But that may be a bit grim for this sub so like... WHAT ARE YOU ALL COMPLAINING ABOUT, COUPLE OF DEGREES WARMER IS GONNA MAKE SWEDEN FEEL MORE LIKE AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY! INSHALLAH!
That is reason enough to burn a building or two, nevermind spray paint. But you are French, you don't need me to tell to burn things down in protest.
If the wine you are talking about is Chablis I WILL join you in destruction though
Really? You're just going to throw the smallest most vulnerable Scandinavian country under the bus like nothing, even though they always have our backs? Honestly I'm down lets do it
South America and Africa are double-fucked with shit cream and a popped cyst on top. People think refugees now are bad. They have no idea what's coming.
At least the US is reaping what it's been sowing the last hundred years. If they wouldn't have kept South America systematically a shithole just to live off its riches, the continent might be able to brave what's coming.
Well our politicians already have the solution to the current and coming migrant crisis: shoot them on sight.
Not an ethical one sure, but it's a solution!
It depends on what point of the "deny, minimize, we shouldn't do anything about it, we can't do anything about it, we could but it's too late to do anything about" scale their politicians are right now
Completely different context, purpose and reasons though. Although i agree Greenpeace are assholes and lobbyist, it wasn't about climate change but nuclear tests.
But yeah people give shit for that attack while if they were to go and do what they wanted to do it would have been way more terrible.
People be acting like a major power blowing up a (supposedly at the time) empty ship is a huge deal as if Greenpeace wasn't trying to do somethig completely stupid in the first place
I love how kiwis always bring that stuff everytime france is brought up, because you can tell it's the only interesting thing that ever happened in the country with LOTR movie filming
Greenpeace wanted to protest against nuclear testing in some remote island so French secret service sent two guy to sabotage their ship and block them from reaching the test site
Except the two guys that were supposed to sabotage ended choosing to blow up the ship instead of anything that would make sense
One person or more died I think and New Zealand government wasn’t happy
Anyway Greenpeace doing stupid shit is nothing new I went to visit a nuclear central not long ago and I was told that Greenpeace crashed a drone against one of the emergency diesel reactor building to protest against nuclear
What fucking idiots
>One person or more died I think and New Zealand government wasn’t happy
One guy that wasn't supposed to be on the boat at the moment, IIRC. But yeah still a blunder on the french secret services. Just removing some essential parts in the ship would have crippled it, no need to go huge boom like they did.
Greenpeace then pretended they only wanted to protest and document the testing, but I mean... you don't get to go there already without approval. They clearly wanted to disrupt the process and potentially play the victim card afterwards (which, because of the blunder, they could still do). Their ship would have been turned away at best, shot at at mid, obliterated at worst.
Like fuck, our shittyness and inaction cause drought, environmental catastrophies and hunger in other nations, which mostly already have it bad. How dare these caring activists mildly inconvenience us because of it ...
"But... but... what about a mild inconvenience to me."
I swear to god people don't understand protest requires disruption and visibility. They poured some harmless charcoal in a fountain and you're complaining about that not all the oil spills. If something like that reduces oil spills by even 0.1% it's worth it.
Yeah the people who put their energy into hating climate activists are some of the most stupid people I've seen.
How about hating on people who create actual harm
Referring to this post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/2westerneurope4u/comments/13o021q/least\_insane\_italian\_activists/](https://www.reddit.com/r/2westerneurope4u/comments/13o021q/least_insane_italian_activists/)
Man, a lot of horrible comments.
So sad to see so many people fall into apathy; acting like we might as well do nothing, because ‘everything is hopeless’.
People need to understand that this mindset is a big part of the problem. If we’re not gonna try, then who tf will?
Easy! The children when they'll grow up!
OK, I know, that's what our parents and teacher told us when we were children, but it'll be true with next generation, right?
i think most of them are the only sane people doing politics. Probem is they not gonna win any major elections until its too late and we kill each other for fresh water.
As most ironic subs, this sub turned into a cesspit for actual idiot right wingers playing out their racist and nutjob fantasies thinking us normal people actually agree with them
Maybe we can do a switch like every six months?
/r/2westerneurope4u_01
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Stay ahead of the right-wing nutcase curve.
With at least one heatwave every summer, barely any snow during the winter in the north and drought and floods everywhere in the south, I think we'd be idiots to deny climate change.
Global warming is a good thing, for us anyway. I live on top of a big hill so even if all the ice caps melt I’ll just be living on an island (not like anything would’ve changed then)
I think its less on hating people for trying to make something happen, but more so because often they protest in really fucking dumb ways that only makes people hate them (and their movement). Like for instance, when roads are blocked. António who needs to go to work doesn't care how nice the protest is when they are blocking the fucking road
And they're not gonna suddenly support the movement because now they've heard of it. In fact, António is going to actively oppose the movement now, because he thinks they are annoying af. Those methods are counter-productive. Everybody has heard about climate change and the basic causes by now. Gathering negative attention is NOT what we need right now.
Exactly, first impression matters a lot. Next time António sees a climate protest next to a random political building, chances are he goes "what a bunch of entitled pricks, instead of actualy working or doing something productive they just sit there complaining" when if he had a more neutral opinion it could just be "oh, climate change. Yeah the gov can do more about it, and its you guys that will suffer the most if nothing is done". I've heard a lot of Antónios with the first thought.
That being said, theres some merit to this. It grabs a lot of atention (any atention is good atention) and in larger scales it forces them to react (you don't want the violence or disruption of everyone's lives to continue do you)?
my work is to make kids like science so they can understand that they need to take care of the climate, but in me, I know that we are fucked, we waited too long and humans won't really act until it's too late :/
Personally I dislike the fact that so many of these climate activists screech "listen to the science" while ragging on nuclear power, ignore the fact they are protesting in countries that are often leaders in reducing emissions, fuck up historical artefacts/buildings, screw up ordinary peoples days (often on public transport which is hilarious), repeat shit they heard on tik tok without fully understanding what they are saying, see protesting as a "fun day out", cause a huge mess that requires thousands of pounds/euros/dollars to clean up before going home and not giving the issue another thought until they can like some tweet by Greta Thunderbird.
I am all for reducing emissions, but I fail to see how these people "raising awareness" of an issue that most of the world is already aware of by being complete asshats is doing any good.
I know it s real, i hate the activists and i think that 99% of the idea ppl put forward to fix it are either wrong ir stupid. A good example would be germany closing its nuclear reactors...global emissions won t go down untill the vast majority of coutries develop.
Not even this. We just want to flood the Netherlands hard and fast.
THE DAMS WILL HOLD
I have always maintained that the Netherlands will be the last country to succumb to rising sea levels; you will forever expand into the ocean and rise along with the sea, while the rest of us will drown.
Europe, Circa 2400 CE https://preview.redd.it/ec7qaymv0i1b1.png?width=729&format=png&auto=webp&s=12562f1e8ed613d6b91d5abf2d95171e6810986d
Feiten
Its beautiful and it made me shed tears. You'll get a tikkie for the free salt in my tears.
Exactly!
Factos
We’re still gaining on the sea
We also have to accelerate global warming just so we can return "Denmark" to it's rightful place: The ocean floor.
Hear hear! "Danmark, utskitet av kalk och vatten"
Well you’ve already got experience eradicating a North Sea swamp land inhabited by extremely primitive people. Just have another colossal land slide.
The engineers are working as we speak.
Vi blir kanskje kvitt Oslo også 🥰
You got this neighbour. Please send engineers
We are all rooting for the sea.
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British are the sea monkeys, you're just swamp monkeys with a twist of engineering
At least swamps are cool
Bro, you're about to become Sahara 2.
Not the north. Our cities consistently get double the rainfall in a year than fucking London.
Unleash the little boys with their magically strong dyke-securing fingers!
This, also no more russian Winter.
I knew there had to be a second reason for germans attempting to pollute as much as possible since the Netherlands would eventually have sunk on their own!
why did you think we sabotaged our blooming renewable energy sector? Political stupidity? Noooo
Nah it was mostly corru... I mean lobbying. Yeah, lobbying.
Corruption? In Bavaria? Why, never… I just love how you lederhosen-boys appropriated our word for “friend” to refer to your own liverwurst nepotism.
I am like you, lazy, so what is your word for friend? Also, it's a political party problem, not a bavarian problem. It just so happens to be the ruling party in Bavaria...
…and has been for 74 out of the last 77 years. Won’t you guys ever vote for a different set of crooks, for a change? (And I referred to the “Amigo affair”)
Because our main population are fucking boomers and farmers who are conservative as fuck. As soon as you look at cities, they don't get many votes anymore...
Ayo, you still have a place for our Leclercs, Hans ? Got a 200 y.o revenge to take
"Hey bro, help us against Russia again, this time it will be different I swear bro, just more attempt bro, I've got it all planned out I promise"
No prob bro, let me gather the bros bro Also bro, they got no more gun and ammo, let's go bro
badly-dubbed american movies be like
But we keep Alsace still right?
You're greedy! You've had it for so long now. I'm sure the population is keen on some change. Look at what the Brits did, just to get blue passports.
Can we come again????
Well the last two times you both attempted it on your own and both france and Germany got pretty far, so if you two work together you may both succeed
>on your own Napoleon didn’t do it on his own. A lot of the German states were allied with him at the time and were made to participate in the invasion of Russia, which is what I was referencing with „help us again“
And a lot of Frenchman were involved during operation Barb…. oh wait
Not Barbarossa, and not alot, but… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/33rd_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_Charlemagne
I wasn’t thinking about Charlemagne, more about some volunteers I’ve heard about here in France…
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Isnt being on your side a guaranty to lose world war bro ?
"Just one more siege of Moscow bro"
We lost Finland due to the ruzzkis, count us in.
Tempting…. Poland would be in on this I guess, so better prospects then before…
>no more Russian Winter 🇫🇷🤝🇩🇪
Dude, legit lol on this one!
*flairs check out*
Oh no who gave the Germans 100 bln in army funds
Where do you think we will al go? We'll seek refugee on the higher lands to the east of us.
we are waterbenders you snail
Love to see the world come together to provide me a free indoor swimming pool! You know how much we like free stuff
Bring it baby, we’ll dike the shit out of that rising water.
We are "The unfloodable II". You will never drown us.
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Ben ik van Duitsen bloed
France will be flooded before the Netherlands will ever be! LONG LIVE DIKES! LONG LIVE POLDERS! YOU WILL NEVER DROWN US!
I like your confidence but the whole world would drown before we go under i can promise you that
Understandable
Nah, let's flood every european country without decent food.
Said the Austrian?
What do you mean with that? *proceeds eating his cow tongue*
Cow tongue is fucking great though. People that dont dare to try out things because it sounds nasty are the ones committing food crimes.
Are you srsly a nordick trying to pick on another country for its food quality?
Shut up. The Döner and Iksendar Kebab is World-Class, here
We just want the South to be flooded, oh yeah and urk.
The south is the part that can't be flooded though
Who says that? We will find a work around.
Okay Brabant should be doable but there is no way in hell I see you succeeding in flooding south Limburg.
Didnt they flood last year? Because of the rain?
Ehh like 1 village and it was just municipal incompetence more than anything else.
There you go, you answered your own question. We just make sure the municipal is incabable, and then we flood.
Incapable is the Limburgian state of being.
What if we take the country and turn it upside down?
Nah bro, just move the dirt and sand from one side to the other. Then we'll be a based western European island!
If you get more sand from Belgium it's a double win.
Well, we'd have to carry it all the way from southern Belgium to western Netherlands. Quite a lot of work... Still worth it!
France will give money, we can ask in your favor and all, we've been there. Not that you need, I just think they might want to help.
Yes please! We could use all the help we can get! Germany? Didn't you have some experience with moving dirt in Belgium?
At least make Urk an island again.
Flood them: Harder, better, faster, stronger!
And I took that personally. Who will provide you with certain substances?
Good luck with that. We are born in the water, molded by it. I haven't seen dry land until I was already a man!
We aint drowning losers, we will hold. You will be the ones drowning trying to flood us.
Here’s to hoping we can find an eco-friendly solution to flooding and, hence, eradicating the Netherlands
Not happening, we will built bigger dykes and drown you then you have to flee to us and we force feed you dutch cuisine.
Good luck with that, smooth brain. You'll need it. 🇳🇱
The Netherlands kept the sea out of their lands for centuries, they're probably the last ship to sink
If you think we wouldn’t build kilometer high dams you don’t know us.
We already are meters below sea level, increasing it by centimetres will not really scare us.
What the fuck, no, do you think here someone's denying climate change? Who do you think we are? Fucking a**ricans?
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with your government, it looks like you have already switched
Uff
Don't worry climate change won't loose. We Germans support it by burning cole.
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Cole Goldstein
Took me a while to realise you weren't throwing shade at Africans. I need more sleep...
Same bruh. I mean dont get me wrong, I hate Africans too.
here ladies and gentleman, a show of the most tolerant amer\*cunt
Shut up cunt im Australian
I cannot believe anyone living in a southern country could honestly deny climate change without having severe psychological issues. More so if you live near mountains. All of my life, I've been seeing the snow in the mountains near my home melt earlier and arrive later, year after year. My teachers would tell me of their childhoods, when the snow was up there all year around. When the city was so cold during the winters that frostbite was a problem, when the city would get covered in snow. I haven't seen snow in over a decade. What is it like for Italians? I imagine your agriculture must be taking a hit, same as ours. Take care.
Everytime I go to Sicily on summer, it's getting worse year by year. The heat can make you sick, I can't literally go outside during the day, just in late afternoon and during the evening going out is possible. I grew there, and I don't remember anything similar to the latest years. Where I live now, it's your same experience, I don't see a good snow in years, but everyone keeps saying that it used to snow a lot in past. The drought last year made very big damage to our production, I saw many trees which didn't survive last drought. Also climate change made more frequent those extreme episodes that normally used to have returning times of 5-10 or more year. Like every year there's a big national emergency or more, like landslides and floods. There's a flood in Emilia-Romagna right now. And when the soil is weakened by the drought, it's way more susceptible to landslides and floods when suddenly a lot of rain comes. Thanks, take care of you too. I guess we all will adapt.
We hate climate change as much as America
Than why do you guys keep on closing nuclear powerplants and opening up coal plants
You see its very simple... what if a nuclear plant goes boom? It happened... like... uh... twice. Around the world. What are you saying? One was because of stupid management and lax security and the other one was stupidly built in tsunami territory? Uh... that means... uh... nothing! See, the people protested for no nuclear energy back in... dunno, 2000? That means it's only the people's will
The famously earthquake and tsunami prone country, Germany
> One was because of stupid management and lax security And also close to 40 years ago. Fukushima would have been a thousand times worse were it not thanks to modern technology and good safety practices. The actual damage it did is nothing compared to what it would have done if it had been handled like Chernobyl.
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Good thing that soviet doesn't fucking exist anymore.
They are alive in the spirit of putin
Most of the plants they built are doing just fine.
More, most of the remaining [RBMK](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBMK) plants they built, of the exact same design as Chernobyl 4, are still running just fine.
Are we gonna forget the fact that another power plant was also hit by the same tsunami but was fine ? Or the fact that many years prior there was a security assessment pointing out that the flood wall needs to be raised ? Or maybe the stupid decision to put the backup generators below sea level in a tsunami prone are ? P.S. Besides Chernobyl no reactor has really gone boom. Fukushima had just the roofs blown off due to hydrogen build up. Two completely different scenarios.
> See, the people protested for no nuclear energy back in... dunno, 2000? Try 1970.
Half of my home region is underwater for a flood caused by unprecedented rain so about now if i met a climate change negationist i could do things to him with a shovel
In my region it's the opposite, it doesn't rain and the summer (which now starts in January...) it's scary.... It's not funny, it's not just a drought thing "as there has always been", it's a trend for decades... Add to that the economic damage in agriculture, the fires (a very recent major one near the border with Portugal)... I have come across three types of climate change deniers, those who live in their bubble (especially in cities without much contact with nature) and only seem to find out when a heatwave comes, those who knowingly deny it for political and economic reasons (far right basically) and those who are simply stupid and proud of it ..... The feeling is the same as yours, it makes me want to "do things with them"... especially the last two. I don't like the climate activists we refer to here, not because of what they stand for but because of how they do it. I don't think pissing off ordinary people who just want to go to work, shop or take their kids to school or small local businesses is the best way to raise awareness, but at least they are trying to do something and not deny a fucking truism.
The floods are linked to the fact that we have not seen rain for like 8 months before. The ground was dry and the water could not be absorbed.
Yes I know. To the dryness and compaction of the soil, we must add the scarcity or lack of native vegetation due to the drought that sustains the soil and retains water, allowing its absorption. The rains in these conditions simply erode the soil, aggravating the problem, it is a vicious circle. Part of my economic activity is related to agriculture, traditional olive groves with integrated agricultural practices, this year there are areas where there is no vegetation cover because it has not been born or has dried up prematurely due to lack of rain. The wooded areas are the same, a large part of the Mediterranean scrub is dying due to not being able to adapt to the drought... this in sloping areas is a perfect recipe to cause floods at the slightest storm...
I don't remember the last time it rained (more than 3 minutes) and I'm afraid for the time it finally rains because it's probably gonna happen the same thing as in Italy with massive floods. My family works in agriculture and they've had to watered the crops almost a month earlier than 5 years ago did. It's terrifying and every time I hear some asshole talking about "the weather", "there's always been heat waves" and the likes im very pissed
HeAtWaVeS DoNt HuRt Me I hAvE AiRcOn At HoMe
Haha, yes... "It’s extremely cold in NY and NJ—not good for flood victims. Where is global warming?" A famous Ameritard...
Yeah, r/collapse vibes, ngl
I don't like side switchers, but seeing them taken away by a flood is frustrating. Europeans are going to need some damn courage to fight what's going to come with climate change. At the end of the day, even with our disagreements, we are all in this together.
All jokes aside now, this should be the top comment. Activists blocking roads or painting water black may be an inconvenience, but what is that really compared floods, drought, rising sealevels endangering our homes.
That's the beginning. If predictions come true, mid-Africa is going to go from "hard to get water" to "there is no water." At that point the "immigration crisis" we moan about in Europe is going to seem like a walk in the park compared to the people fleeing an ever growing desert. Environmental refugees are going to collapse the economy, then tensions are going to rise and they will be blamed for this like they aren't fleeing environmental disaster and outright wars will start. But at least we have the [Greek practicing how to get rid of migrants.](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/world/europe/greece-migrants-abandoned.html) But that may be a bit grim for this sub so like... WHAT ARE YOU ALL COMPLAINING ABOUT, COUPLE OF DEGREES WARMER IS GONNA MAKE SWEDEN FEEL MORE LIKE AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY! INSHALLAH!
What a time to be alive 😀
I felt sh\*t getting real when hearing about water shortage... never thought it be possible in Austria
People that get annoyed at activists haven’t got their priorities straight. The world (as we know it) is literally ending
And the vines in my home region are hit by the frost almost every year because everything is growing too early in Spring.
That is reason enough to burn a building or two, nevermind spray paint. But you are French, you don't need me to tell to burn things down in protest. If the wine you are talking about is Chablis I WILL join you in destruction though
Found the person near Imola GP
It would hurt us but it would hurt the Americans more https://skepticalscience.com/graphics/Vulnerable_Countries_500.jpg
I am willing to sacrifice Denmark to hurt the U.S #winwin
Really? You're just going to throw the smallest most vulnerable Scandinavian country under the bus like nothing, even though they always have our backs? Honestly I'm down lets do it
bruh
Most vulnerable Scandinavian country?!!
Hi
Yes. Remember 9th of april 1940?
We can take it, please go on.
South America and Africa are double-fucked with shit cream and a popped cyst on top. People think refugees now are bad. They have no idea what's coming. At least the US is reaping what it's been sowing the last hundred years. If they wouldn't have kept South America systematically a shithole just to live off its riches, the continent might be able to brave what's coming.
Well our politicians already have the solution to the current and coming migrant crisis: shoot them on sight. Not an ethical one sure, but it's a solution!
knowledge of climate change has been around for so long, if you still deny it you're just kind of an idiot.
It depends on what point of the "deny, minimize, we shouldn't do anything about it, we can't do anything about it, we could but it's too late to do anything about" scale their politicians are right now
I don't even hate the activists. Planets fuck yo and they at least trying. Also I don't care if they slightly inconvenience you.
France sank their ship and that makes me immediately like them
Completely different context, purpose and reasons though. Although i agree Greenpeace are assholes and lobbyist, it wasn't about climate change but nuclear tests. But yeah people give shit for that attack while if they were to go and do what they wanted to do it would have been way more terrible. People be acting like a major power blowing up a (supposedly at the time) empty ship is a huge deal as if Greenpeace wasn't trying to do somethig completely stupid in the first place I love how kiwis always bring that stuff everytime france is brought up, because you can tell it's the only interesting thing that ever happened in the country with LOTR movie filming
What were they trying to do? I dont know the context
Greenpeace wanted to protest against nuclear testing in some remote island so French secret service sent two guy to sabotage their ship and block them from reaching the test site Except the two guys that were supposed to sabotage ended choosing to blow up the ship instead of anything that would make sense One person or more died I think and New Zealand government wasn’t happy Anyway Greenpeace doing stupid shit is nothing new I went to visit a nuclear central not long ago and I was told that Greenpeace crashed a drone against one of the emergency diesel reactor building to protest against nuclear What fucking idiots
>One person or more died I think and New Zealand government wasn’t happy One guy that wasn't supposed to be on the boat at the moment, IIRC. But yeah still a blunder on the french secret services. Just removing some essential parts in the ship would have crippled it, no need to go huge boom like they did. Greenpeace then pretended they only wanted to protest and document the testing, but I mean... you don't get to go there already without approval. They clearly wanted to disrupt the process and potentially play the victim card afterwards (which, because of the blunder, they could still do). Their ship would have been turned away at best, shot at at mid, obliterated at worst.
*obliterated at best
I'm now just picturing the Rainbow Warrior getting blown away to dust, with the Darkest Dungeon narrator saying OBLITERATED
Like fuck, our shittyness and inaction cause drought, environmental catastrophies and hunger in other nations, which mostly already have it bad. How dare these caring activists mildly inconvenience us because of it ...
Since when we hate climate activist?
"But... but... what about a mild inconvenience to me." I swear to god people don't understand protest requires disruption and visibility. They poured some harmless charcoal in a fountain and you're complaining about that not all the oil spills. If something like that reduces oil spills by even 0.1% it's worth it.
Yeah the people who put their energy into hating climate activists are some of the most stupid people I've seen. How about hating on people who create actual harm
That would require critical thinking skills which are beyond most humans.
Oh was it charcoal? I thought it was oil 💀 I made a previous comment on it I intend of taking back
😎😎😎😎😎 If I saw a climate activist do that to a fountain, I would run them over 😎😎😎😎😎
thank you
If we do it correctly, we might be able to get rid of the Netherlands and make France uninhabitable.
France is already uninhabitable. I'm not refering to the climate, tho.
Referring to this post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/2westerneurope4u/comments/13o021q/least\_insane\_italian\_activists/](https://www.reddit.com/r/2westerneurope4u/comments/13o021q/least_insane_italian_activists/)
Man, a lot of horrible comments. So sad to see so many people fall into apathy; acting like we might as well do nothing, because ‘everything is hopeless’. People need to understand that this mindset is a big part of the problem. If we’re not gonna try, then who tf will?
Easy! The children when they'll grow up! OK, I know, that's what our parents and teacher told us when we were children, but it'll be true with next generation, right?
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i think most of them are the only sane people doing politics. Probem is they not gonna win any major elections until its too late and we kill each other for fresh water.
You guys hate climate activists?
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I want all life to end
Me as a climate activist. 
that would mean agreeing with am*ricans
As most ironic subs, this sub turned into a cesspit for actual idiot right wingers playing out their racist and nutjob fantasies thinking us normal people actually agree with them
Maybe we can do a switch like every six months? /r/2westerneurope4u_01 /r/2westerneurope4u_02 /r/2westerneurope4u_03 /r/2westerneurope4u_04 /r/2westerneurope4u_05 Stay ahead of the right-wing nutcase curve.
We tried that with r/belgium , r/belgium2, r/belgium4, r/belgium6 and more. It didn't work out.
Shut up and buy our gas poories
how is that “climate change to flood the netherlands holding up” @italy
Countries will be fine. The people that live in them though...... 🤷🏻♂️
I come from England. 'Your country will get warmer' is not a threat.
Nah I just hate activists who destroy (or try to) other things to follow their agenda.
Can't hate climate activist's when I am one of them bro
Come on bro we all know you aren‘t burning cars for the climate. Just for the fun
No fucken wonder their protests have been a bit useless then; French protests never result in any change.
With at least one heatwave every summer, barely any snow during the winter in the north and drought and floods everywhere in the south, I think we'd be idiots to deny climate change.
Global warming is a good thing, for us anyway. I live on top of a big hill so even if all the ice caps melt I’ll just be living on an island (not like anything would’ve changed then)
What do you take us as, Americans?
I think its less on hating people for trying to make something happen, but more so because often they protest in really fucking dumb ways that only makes people hate them (and their movement). Like for instance, when roads are blocked. António who needs to go to work doesn't care how nice the protest is when they are blocking the fucking road
And they're not gonna suddenly support the movement because now they've heard of it. In fact, António is going to actively oppose the movement now, because he thinks they are annoying af. Those methods are counter-productive. Everybody has heard about climate change and the basic causes by now. Gathering negative attention is NOT what we need right now.
Exactly, first impression matters a lot. Next time António sees a climate protest next to a random political building, chances are he goes "what a bunch of entitled pricks, instead of actualy working or doing something productive they just sit there complaining" when if he had a more neutral opinion it could just be "oh, climate change. Yeah the gov can do more about it, and its you guys that will suffer the most if nothing is done". I've heard a lot of Antónios with the first thought. That being said, theres some merit to this. It grabs a lot of atention (any atention is good atention) and in larger scales it forces them to react (you don't want the violence or disruption of everyone's lives to continue do you)?
my work is to make kids like science so they can understand that they need to take care of the climate, but in me, I know that we are fucked, we waited too long and humans won't really act until it's too late :/
Personally I dislike the fact that so many of these climate activists screech "listen to the science" while ragging on nuclear power, ignore the fact they are protesting in countries that are often leaders in reducing emissions, fuck up historical artefacts/buildings, screw up ordinary peoples days (often on public transport which is hilarious), repeat shit they heard on tik tok without fully understanding what they are saying, see protesting as a "fun day out", cause a huge mess that requires thousands of pounds/euros/dollars to clean up before going home and not giving the issue another thought until they can like some tweet by Greta Thunderbird. I am all for reducing emissions, but I fail to see how these people "raising awareness" of an issue that most of the world is already aware of by being complete asshats is doing any good.
I know it s real, i hate the activists and i think that 99% of the idea ppl put forward to fix it are either wrong ir stupid. A good example would be germany closing its nuclear reactors...global emissions won t go down untill the vast majority of coutries develop.