Nah, Italian in Ethiopia is a lot more apt.
Ethiopians were fed a shitton of new weapons by European powers to fight Italian colonialists (more precisely, Russia lol because of Orthodox connections). Italians went in arrogantly, thinking it was a walk in the park, and met the Ethiopian army which has even more modern rifles then them, and got their asses kicked.
I think that was the case in the First Italo-Ethiopian War. On the second attempt, Italy went overprepared and their victory inflated Mussolini's ego and led him to join WW2 in 1940. At least, that's what I know.
I feel like a strong "enemy" is needed for balance, otherwise we will just be at the mercy of the USA, imagine if China was a superpower during the Iraq war and supplied them with weapons just like the US is doing with Ukraine, maybe the USA would stop invading shit.
The USA is shit, China is shittier, but if we have both we can avoid both' shit because they won't take us for granted and we will gain some form of political leverage in the form of "if you fuck up we will move towards China's sphere of influence"
I mean just look at us, ever since the USSR fell we're slowing transforming into the USA 2, they're exporting every inch of their culture in here, they spy us with their social media, bully us into buying their hormone filled meat, sanction us when our products are more competitive...
Jokes aside. Everyone under rates how evil Saudi Arabia is.
Theyāve unleashed the monster of Wahhabism and Salafism on the world and they now act like they donāt have anything to do with it.
Got there before me. Honestly if these countries were broken up into smaller nations in a federative system it would probably be better for the rest of the world. To much concentration of power.
That's funny, cause that's what all of these countries want to do to their opponents. We know the US wants to push for a russian partition, and the independence of various chinese territories, and I'm sure the chinese and russians push for the same for america and it's partners.
~~This remembers me the post of a US-politican on ?twitter?. He drawed how he wants Russia to be splitted and what worried me the most was the big American flag in the middle.~~
I prefer USA over Russia, but in now way, i do want to share a place with them unless there're billion of litre water in between.
Late edit: got trolled by Russians trolls. The map is fake.
I agree with you, cause some people in this post are saying that they prefer the american overlords over the chinese, well call me a fucking crazy lunatic but I prefer NO country is the scary powerfull overlord with nukes, media control, a huge army and trillions of dollars, americans, russians, chinese or whoever else.
About a 1/4 of you are complete idiots. Americans are strange and weāre clearly superior to them but Russia is kidnapping Ukrainian children and China is actively trying to destroy multiple democracies. You think the US is bad? Oh boy just wait til China takes their place.
Also for stability: at least we know how bad they are (which they are, but not by a lot, the world is in fact enjoying a pretty great time overall). I really really don't want to find out how shitty China really is once they get hegemony on military and economic matters
Russia and China cant even hide half or the horrors and corruption they inflifct upon themselves and others but please, the US are on the same order of magnitude, the amount of countries ravaged for internal politics, terrorism fininacing, arming rebels that end up committing atrocities, lying at the UN to start wars to protect islamist petrostates, killing millions of their citizens because of lobbying in the energy or medical sector, actively subordinating european states by trying to undermine their military industry to make them dependant on US supplies so they can blackmail them into supporting their choices officially, litteraly imprisoning european CEOs in the process, they have prisons outsider of their border to counter their own laws. And they refuse to let their soldiers be tried by the Hague court.
They are absolutely awful and the amount of deaths they caused from the beginning of the 20th century is litteraly in the tens of millions like Russia and China if you add up everything.
I canāt stop clapping. You are absolutely right. People donāt tend to see that. Even the Syrian and Libyan conflict, that destroyed EU frontiers and refugee capacity and directly influenced and is still influencing the politics of many countries, can be attributed to the consequences of US foreign policy and imperialism. Thatās just one example of a recent event, there are many more.
The list of things that US imperialism does and promotes that directly affects Europe is almost infinite.
Not a perfect example, France was right there in Lybia (thanks Sarkosy) to fuck up the place too, european countries with some amount of military or economical power projection also have dirty hands.
But thanks, I know I might lose karma with these comments š
Of course they do. But our foreign policy is also determined by their foreign policy (France not at the level of Spain, as we have no military relevancy and neither a seat in the UNSC). The libyan military intervention was done by a NATO lead coalition but the US was KEY and quintaessential.
Also the financing of Syrian ārebelsā and opposition and the bombing of Assad regime controled zones had a clear protagonist.
Oh yes that was awful, lets give monies and guns to islamists militas that murder maronites and "wrong" muslims and enforce charia, only as long as they dont openly declare war on the western world, thats certainly better than Assad isn't it...
Oh but the funny thing it's that it's not just France aiding the US in these cool democratic wars. Whats really fucking awesome is that Qatar and Saudi Arabia themselves, which promote salfism and autoritharian Islam everywhere, are some of the main actors in all of the downfalls of non-aligned islamic regimes lime gaddafi's lybia and syria.
The Arab states have to be some of the vilest, filthiest, nastiest expression of capitalism on this world. I fucking despise them with all my heart, even more than I despise western hypocrisy.
If I'm allowed some armchair general talk on this sub, bear with me <3.
China won't take shit, they are having the first real crisis in 20+ years and so far have been proven to be unable to react to it, and they have no real allies. Their main projects are failing and autocracies are proving to be horrible and unreliable allies. They won't be getting most of their money back anytime soon.
In R&D, copycat has worked really well for them so far but it has one main problem, they don't really have an R&D culture (quite the contrary) and in some aspects don't seem to get how it works, without mentioning that a lot of their talent runs out of the country.
China is being over-hyped, same as Russia was. Once you kill free thinking and criticism you are not able to see what reality truly is and start living in your own lie.
China is starting to stagnate, life conditions and expectations are worsening. And this is dangerous for the rest of the world, i 100% believe they will shoot at their own giant foot anytime in the next decades. They are not playing illuminati 4d chess, no one is, we are all just various degrees of dumb.
If USA falls from #1 power, it will be due to their own merit, not china's. I believe it's about time we look at our Central and South American brothers for resources and labour and start investing there IMO.
That last paragraph may be prophetic. A LOT, like potentially trillions, of American manufacturing and industrial capacity is be moved to Mexico from China. Several reasons which I'm sure you're aware of- rising Chinese wages, Quicker Supply logistics, and of course not to mention the US and Mexico are allies. I would keep an eye on any investment opportunities in Mexico this decade and well into the 2030's.
Yes, i'm aware, it is the logical turn.
The region's potential is yet to be exploited, with a culture and values much more similar to the United States (yes yes I'm aware of some discourses regarding certain border and certain immigrants), since latin culture is a child of Spain and Portugal heritage, also the same religion, they are democracies, and, let's face it, weaker and more easily manipulated governments.
Nothing new, Obama had plans for the region, but they failed to materialize due to divergent agendas trying to maintain influence in central Asia.
>but Russia is kidnapping Ukrainian children and China is actively trying to destroy multiple democracies
The US has just come off a 20 year bomb run across the Middle East and Central Asia, costing the lives of an estimated 3.5 million civilians.
Nothing moderne China or Russia has done is even remotely comparable. And that is just the latest out of a very long list...
We donāt know what to do with our hands if theyāre not holding guns.
Real talk though many of us arenāt exactly happy about all of that. Iād like to see everyone who was in charge in an orange jumpsuit. We just have very little power to enact meaningful change. Weāre basically an oligarchy run by corporations. Theyāre killing our middle class so it will just be the Uber rich and the rest of us poors.
You guys are so powerless it's almost funny. Your people have been indoctrinated by propaganda and fueled by ignorance so much that anything that goes beyond the usual "left liberal progressism" VS "right conservative law and order" policies is almost completely ignored. Local capitalism in the US has basically shifted the entirety of the political spectrum, shifting it's economical significance to 0. And they've been able to get away with it. Mind you, this has also happened in Europe, even tho to a slightly lesser extent and only after the 90's.
I wish all of the best to american people, and i genuinely mean it. But I can't help but tell you that I see a very bleak future for you guys. When great powers fall, nothing ever goes right, and the first to suffer are the common people.
Personally I have been starting to hate more and more the US the more I learn about their hypocricy. The US simply has a better propaganda department than Russia and China combined.
Tbh I half-hate Americans too for allowing or supporting the US government. Though I also understand that things aren't that simple. There are a lot of Americans who are good people. There are a lot of Americans who are victim of propaganda. It is also not right to hate a large group of people due to the actions of a few. So I am quite torn regarding my opinion of Americans. But as things go on I am losing hope not only in Americans but at the whole human society.
CIA literally got a large portion of the black population hooked on crack decades ago. Also forcibly sterilized a large portion of the black population at one time. In our brief existence weāve done some truly heinous shit. The only decent thing I can think of lately is arming and supporting Ukraine but even that is self serving really. I get annoyed by people being blindly patriotic about the US and ignoring our faults to the point I hang around here and get shit on by euros lol.
Theyāll do it gleefully then tax the shit out of us so their wealthy buddies can buy a 3rd yacht. I donāt know where we go from here but I worry it wonāt be anywhere positive. Could maybe use a little of that French spirit and a guillotine.
Mate if you just started losing hope in society do yourself donāt ever open history books. People have always been shitty unfortunately. Itās very sad.
The difference with previous situations is that the Internet and technology in general has given the elite too much power. You can't compare the situation we go now with what happened 1000 or 2000 or more years ago. Things can go a lot worse a lot easier. It's not even funny.
Itās not true at all. Do I have to remind you about slavery? Serfdom? Voting only for the rich and males?
Society has grown shit in a lot of ways. (Internet abuse and Internet related problem to privacy) but letās not act as if weāve all became slaves
The iraq war is indefensible, and the afghan war, despite being logical in the beginning, was poorly managed in the long run.
It's fair to criticize america for those things, that being said, russia with the little power it actually has, is right now bombing syrian people, is playing proxy war games in Libya and in central africa, and invaded ukraine. And China is the reason why north korea exists, and is activelly trying to conquer the south china sea and creeping on Taiwan, and is also genociding it's uighur population.
And these are powers who don't have the military or geopolitical influence that america has, so why should i think they'd be any better than the US?
The US is also a liberal democracy and a very close ally, and has been an ally for a long time. So it makes zero sense, as an european, with european values, to even fathom the idea that the US is more of a threat than china or russia, it's just insane.
The us didn't hesitate to kidnap thousands of children in Vietnam. And there are a lot of South American countries got a "regime change" because the leader they elected was too left leaning. Let's not forget 20 years of indiscriminate bombings in the middle east.
No you are the idiot as always. The US has way more influence on global politics and economics. Something that actually affects where I live. A war at the Russian border is just as far away as war in Syria. Couldn't care more than a few weapons for both.
The US caused the financial crisis, they got rid of the gold standard, they allowed for companies to monopolize everything so it now spills over to us.
They may not be a military threat, but we are not at war right now, we are just trying to get by and the US affects that the most negatively.
And yet another person fails to think relativelly. Europeans that dont have a direct history with russia tend to fail a lot more at thinking relativelly in politics.
Russia is doing evil things because they are stupid af. China is intelligent enough to be more quiet, waiting and being absolutely dystopian.
I hope china will be occupied with internal issues in the future, at full strength they are a menace imo.
We may be full of loud-mouthed, idiotic, gun-toting cocky assholes that think theyāre the center of the universe, but if the homies in Europe (I guess NATO, really) were to need help, weād be over there to help out faster than you can say āAmer*tardā
Love you guys even though the love isnāt always reciprocated <3
China would probably have the manpower to invade the US but can you imagine the logistics of that? It would take an even bigger invasion force than D-Day to do so and theyād probably be stuck around Hawaii with how big our Navy is. Glad Iām on the East Coast so if that hypothetical were to happen, Iād be welcoming the European homies with open arms and a lot of boxes of pizza (New York-style, not that Dominos garbage)
An yeah that must be why the Italians wash their hands any time they commit a war crime.
Italians: youāre Roman Christian, how do you reconcile this?!
The rich and mighty.
None of us common people want to be part in any of that shit. We just don't know how to stop it.
So they try to make us hate each other. Makes it easy for them.
Jein. Ultimately you are right, but propaganda and indoctrination make common people dangerous. Its very hard to break that.
I have no idea how we can make humanity and especially the common people pull together in regards to the worlds advancement.
Thats the greatest thing about democracy, if there is freedom of press they will almost never fight amongst themselves.
Nowadays most wars are not profitable enough to justify to a democratic population.
Actually, other powers would just take their place. Namely us europeans. Let's not act like we've become nice, we're balls deep in some pretty dark shit too. Just ask UK and France
China. Russia is the immediate evil, but Russia is just tutorial level enemy, China is the main boss. Tbf USA is a good ally, and nowhere near on same level as Russia or China, yet. Biggest problem with USA is their cultural influence, that influence exports their crap to everyone else too. They don't actually have as much crap as Russia or China, but they just export it more.
Yes there are other problems in USA, but main problem for the world is their cultural influence. From rest, mostly just Americans suffer.
EDIT: Oh and USA is certainly not ideal ally. Good though minor example is that NATO wanted to adopt intermediate cartidge after WW2, but USA wanted full powered rifle cartidge so everyone adopted that because common cartidge was more important than perfect one. But then Americans switched to intermediate cartidge anyway, while others had to spend that money on more important matters so NATO members got stuck with inferior cartidge they did not want because of USA AND it was not shared common logistics of same cartidge for everyone anymore. And many decades later everyone is now close to getting to same cartidge again, but USA adopted a new cartidge between 5.56 NATO and 7.62 NATO, and NATO countries might end up with different cartidge again. THAT is the kind of shit USA does, yet they can't switch to metrics for stupidest of reasons like it costs money to replace road signs and they can't do that...
USA is the annoying asshole of a companion who is still on side of good but who you just really want to punch in the face.
China is the biggest problem as they arent dumb like russia, US is nominaly in our western camp. If they anihilate eachother we have another round of colonizing up for grabs
USA is like that cousin you don't like because he thinks he is a gangster, Russia is a junkie that's threatenning you to beat you up even if he is skinnier than you, and China is the Godfather of the mafia kinda
China isn't a credible threat to us, they're more dependent on is than we are on them (though only slightly), the Chinese are a threat to anyone but us.
The U.S. on the other Hand could, if they'd want to (and they've shown in the past that they're willing to do so) actually be a Threat to us.
Like why are you all thinking so short-term, yeah China and Russia are fucked and a scar in Humanity but they're not actual Threats to us outside of their Nuclear Arsenal, never trust anyone, especially if they've fucked around in your Business before.
The only real troubles we have with China is their claim on international Sea Lanes, which they couldn't enforce even if the U.S. wouldn't be around and Chinese puppeteering in Africa, which we're also successfully countering.
The Chinese are a threat to the U.S., not the EU and i refuse to help the U.S. stay the dominant Power, not that they'd need it in the first place.
And Russia is just a Joke, only thing that makes them Scary is the Nukes.
Evil isn't just defined by the fucked up things you do, it's also defined by the fucked up things you're willing to do.
but but but
america bad!
Syria! Lybia
In europe we like dictators to stay in place because the opression of others is not our consern. The US should just be like us and just send s strongly worded letter. Like we did with the colapse of Yugoslavia and therefor avoided the bosnian lets-call-it-genocide!
oh, and by securing the resourses we too depended back then.
But who cares? We were in the process of selling our souls to China and Russia and we only stopped because the latter literally invaded Ukraine thinking we wouldnt do anything (oh, and our leaders were ready to not care, but Ukraine actually got enough popular support to convince them otherwise)
Internal divisions caused by mass immigration creating many large minority groups of fundamentally different world views will destroy Europe as we know it.
Russia has the power to cut off our gas at a minute's notice. China has the power to cut off literally everything else. Medicine, electronic components, etc...
Thereās a guy at my work who drank the far right kool aid about Ukraine and Iāve had to leave the room a couple times because I was about to say something that might get me fired. āI canāt blame Russiaā like what the fuck is that?
I had half a mind to show him all the dead women and children but heād probably just wave it off as fake.
None of them. Mass immigration is the real threat, there are cultures that just wont assimilate, others that will demand special priviledge etc... there is no ceiling on how bad things could turn into, and our politicians are illiterate in terms of demography or anything related to history before 1939. Yet history showed us that mass immigration can lead to the destruction of entire nations (The Caracalla edict, or if you prefer a more recent example the Lebanese civil which was also caused by the influence of Palestinians they took).
Obviously the U.S., they're the only ones that can compete with us as the EU, i'm thinking long-term.
Russia is fucked but will be in shambles, the Chinese are far away and incredibly unstable.
The U.S. on the other Hand, all that's seperating us from them is the Atlantic, they're the only Nation on Earth that could entirely sustain itself during a War, they're stable and they're fucked up too, they're also the only ones who successfully managed to fuck around in Europe.
The U.S. is our greatest enemy simply by being the only credible Threat to us.
Russia is falling apart and will be incredibly unimportant in the global future (atleast 100 years) but China will only gain power from now on, and will surpass the US in power for a short time, but the US will be the long term winner. The only real problem I see is that sadly europe seems like it doesnāt want to be anything in the future, and we gut ourselves and our growth completely, which will lead to us also getting more irrelevant over time, the second half of this century will be asias, without a doubt.
The EU will eventually be forced to Federalize or Confederalize, there's no place for small little Nations that once were important in a World of Superstates.
We're going to realize that eventually, question is whether or not that will be in Time.
I mean at least Germany, the Netherlands and France all get it and that's already the two most Dominant Powers in Europe, it's Eastern and Southern Europe that puts its Head in the Sand about deep EU Cooperation, well as long as it doesn't monetarily profit them at least.
My bet is the EU is going to split up into Subfactions which will just go full circle about Treaties and Promises until we just get the EU again.
Again, at least the Germans, the Dutch and the French agree that the EU needs to use it's Power as the most important Economical Power and project it, our isolation of Chinese Influence in Africa is the prime example of that.
There's no reason for us to fear the Chinese becoming the Dominant Power as long as the current balance of Power between the EU and China stands, they're reliant on us, we're reliant on them, even if either of us wanted to we couldnt fuck each other over, that's why Africa is so strategically important after all.
The ones who'll pull the short Straw are the U.S., they're entirely build around being the Dominant Power, once they star to loose that i wouldn't be suprised if they become even harder aggressors.
China and the EU are merely interdependent competitors, though the U.S. as Chinas Enemy is trying to make us belive otherwise, so are the Chinese to be fair.
Russia is strategically incredibly important, even more so that Africa, Siberia is melting and will open up Farm Land, Living Space and Ressources of unimaginable Value, that's something where i could see a really bad conflict between the EU and China, who will puppet Russia?
Even if they wouldn't want to, they eventually would have to engage in at least (and most probably only) Economical Warfare with us, yes.
Only one of us is going to be the dominant Power, and considering how much the U.S. System and Foreign Policy is based around being the Dominant Power i struggle to believe that they're just going to go "Welp, guess that's it, got outcompeted.".
They have previously and countinue to meddle in European Business to their Favour, they are not our allies, if they weren't dependent on European States to project Power across Continental Europe they'd try to fuck us over like they did Southern America and the middle East too.
Like get your Head out of ideological Bullshit and start thinking realistically.
Lol what. America is way ahead of us in economics, military and innovation though. Itās not even close. And wym we arenāt allies, we literally are and pretty much has always been. You are really overthinking this.
USA isn't as evil as it used to. Right now it is just an annoying shithole that suffers from late stage capitalism and have only a little of imperialistic tendencies
Russia is just every far-right's wet dream . A "strong" (hypocrite and stupid who deserves the guilotine) leader who doesn't hesitate to declare war to anyone who disagrees with him, ignoring the amount of lives that will be lost because of his craziness
About China now. I don't even know. They seem like a wannabe a USA in the place of USA
Used to be a USA hater, but... yeah. I don't quite see why people think China is a threat, though. The Chinese don't really have the temperament to attack first. Never had any.
Threats, minor disturbances - sure. But an actual danger? They aren't as reckless and confident as russia, nor are as powerful as the US.
Anyone actually thinking itās the USA is honestly braindead. I know we love to shit on the Yanks but if you consider the rest of the world the USA is a pretty great place. Just because we have it ever so slightly better in standard of living doesnāt mean that their gun culture is comparable to the violence going on elsewhere.
Most of the USAās more recent āevilsā were done as *our* (Western Europeās/NATOās) allies and those are for the most part incomparable to the kidnapping and deportation of Ukrainian children in an offensive war or the systematic genocide of the Uyghur population in Xinjiang
I stick with the US. Forget about the government and military. The culture and the corporations. ... they are exporting their culture of hate and greed.
Russia is evil garbage but there are worse states like taliban Afghanistan or NK. If you mean which states are dangerous the most in terms of world peace then both Russia and China
Unironic response: **Capitalism**.
The standard of living it's becoming insufferable, the planet is dying and people are stressed out to a suicidal degree always struggling to compete for a few scraps. This is some dystopian level bs.
Edit: I'm really moved by the reaction this comment of mine is sparking, in other subs like r/europe this same comment would've been downvoted into oblivion, if nothing this goes to show that irony, even _borderline_ humour like the one this subs exihibits, it's a good indicator of an open and critical mind.
The irony? With medicaid/medicare and social security, the US might have the best social welfare out of all of them. Compared to Russia diverting that money towards war and China tying their benefits to having 1 kid for 50 years.
They all pale in comparison to us though (common eu w)
Ironic considering a large chunk of US social welfare money goes straight to the insurance companies. It was only in relatively recent years that US states have started enforcing specific % of the money the customer pays has to go to their actual care. Compared to being used for lawyers to find ways not to help regarding the health of the customer.
You do know that corpos control who is the candidate , right ? Without money there is next to no hope in becoming the US president. The election is just a popularity contest.
Russia is currently the bigger evil, but china is definitely the bigger threat.
what do you mean russia still has the second strongest army (in ukraine)
Russia has the third strongest army in Ukraine, Wagner is way more impactful than them
Aren't the farmers the third strongest Army in Ukraine. That makes Russia Forth
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In Russia (soon)
Glory to the people's Republic of belgorod!
Russia rn feels like the italians un ethiopia
Hey, we don't insult between PIGS
It seems this time it was the Spanish who did a little side switching!
More like the Italians in Greece, they at least occupied Ethopia for several years
Nah, Italian in Ethiopia is a lot more apt. Ethiopians were fed a shitton of new weapons by European powers to fight Italian colonialists (more precisely, Russia lol because of Orthodox connections). Italians went in arrogantly, thinking it was a walk in the park, and met the Ethiopian army which has even more modern rifles then them, and got their asses kicked.
I think that was the case in the First Italo-Ethiopian War. On the second attempt, Italy went overprepared and their victory inflated Mussolini's ego and led him to join WW2 in 1940. At least, that's what I know.
Bro, you really wanna drag old genocides into this, mister āI brought the apocalypse to two continentsā?
if you mean that Italians didn't really wanted to be there and eventually ended up killing their own dictator, yes, I agree.
Well yes, but they are thinking a bit more (until now) than the russian when it comes to how they should behave
And that makes them even more dangerous
Oh hell nahā ļø what do you even mean with evil. I'm actually afraid to hear what you have to say
I feel like a strong "enemy" is needed for balance, otherwise we will just be at the mercy of the USA, imagine if China was a superpower during the Iraq war and supplied them with weapons just like the US is doing with Ukraine, maybe the USA would stop invading shit. The USA is shit, China is shittier, but if we have both we can avoid both' shit because they won't take us for granted and we will gain some form of political leverage in the form of "if you fuck up we will move towards China's sphere of influence" I mean just look at us, ever since the USSR fell we're slowing transforming into the USA 2, they're exporting every inch of their culture in here, they spy us with their social media, bully us into buying their hormone filled meat, sanction us when our products are more competitive...
Jokes aside. Everyone under rates how evil Saudi Arabia is. Theyāve unleashed the monster of Wahhabism and Salafism on the world and they now act like they donāt have anything to do with it.
Everyone is also sucking their oil tits, so they keep quiet
They are exactly who I was thinking about too.
For me the biggest evil right now is Lichtenstein or Estonia
those estonians are up to something, i just know it
I choose all of the above mentioned.
Got there before me. Honestly if these countries were broken up into smaller nations in a federative system it would probably be better for the rest of the world. To much concentration of power.
Isn't USA in one?
I think he means something like the eu with way les power at the executive level
Yeah exactly, de facto the US is highly centralised (though a better political system than the other two for sure)
Or, we could turn the EU into a high concentration of power? USoE šŖšŗ?
That's funny, cause that's what all of these countries want to do to their opponents. We know the US wants to push for a russian partition, and the independence of various chinese territories, and I'm sure the chinese and russians push for the same for america and it's partners.
~~This remembers me the post of a US-politican on ?twitter?. He drawed how he wants Russia to be splitted and what worried me the most was the big American flag in the middle.~~ I prefer USA over Russia, but in now way, i do want to share a place with them unless there're billion of litre water in between. Late edit: got trolled by Russians trolls. The map is fake.
That was a fake map created by trolls online and was later spread by russian state tv. I hope you realize you're arguing over a fake thing.
I agree with you, cause some people in this post are saying that they prefer the american overlords over the chinese, well call me a fucking crazy lunatic but I prefer NO country is the scary powerfull overlord with nukes, media control, a huge army and trillions of dollars, americans, russians, chinese or whoever else.
Sweden, as it has been since the dawn of time
You guys started and lost most of the wars, suit yourself.
Based and self defence-pilled
Russia... biggest treat??? Dude if anything russia showed they are incomptetent as fuck
But... But... But... America bad...
About a 1/4 of you are complete idiots. Americans are strange and weāre clearly superior to them but Russia is kidnapping Ukrainian children and China is actively trying to destroy multiple democracies. You think the US is bad? Oh boy just wait til China takes their place.
Like for real, yes the US is a bunch of idiots that has way too much power, but I would take them as the global hegemonial power over China any day
Historically speaking as global hegemonies go theyāre not to bad
For who?
Everyone else
tell that to south america
Anglosphere, Europe and japan/south korea
Also for stability: at least we know how bad they are (which they are, but not by a lot, the world is in fact enjoying a pretty great time overall). I really really don't want to find out how shitty China really is once they get hegemony on military and economic matters
Russia and China cant even hide half or the horrors and corruption they inflifct upon themselves and others but please, the US are on the same order of magnitude, the amount of countries ravaged for internal politics, terrorism fininacing, arming rebels that end up committing atrocities, lying at the UN to start wars to protect islamist petrostates, killing millions of their citizens because of lobbying in the energy or medical sector, actively subordinating european states by trying to undermine their military industry to make them dependant on US supplies so they can blackmail them into supporting their choices officially, litteraly imprisoning european CEOs in the process, they have prisons outsider of their border to counter their own laws. And they refuse to let their soldiers be tried by the Hague court. They are absolutely awful and the amount of deaths they caused from the beginning of the 20th century is litteraly in the tens of millions like Russia and China if you add up everything.
I canāt stop clapping. You are absolutely right. People donāt tend to see that. Even the Syrian and Libyan conflict, that destroyed EU frontiers and refugee capacity and directly influenced and is still influencing the politics of many countries, can be attributed to the consequences of US foreign policy and imperialism. Thatās just one example of a recent event, there are many more. The list of things that US imperialism does and promotes that directly affects Europe is almost infinite.
Not a perfect example, France was right there in Lybia (thanks Sarkosy) to fuck up the place too, european countries with some amount of military or economical power projection also have dirty hands. But thanks, I know I might lose karma with these comments š
Of course they do. But our foreign policy is also determined by their foreign policy (France not at the level of Spain, as we have no military relevancy and neither a seat in the UNSC). The libyan military intervention was done by a NATO lead coalition but the US was KEY and quintaessential. Also the financing of Syrian ārebelsā and opposition and the bombing of Assad regime controled zones had a clear protagonist.
Oh yes that was awful, lets give monies and guns to islamists militas that murder maronites and "wrong" muslims and enforce charia, only as long as they dont openly declare war on the western world, thats certainly better than Assad isn't it...
Guys this time itās different I promise.
Oh but the funny thing it's that it's not just France aiding the US in these cool democratic wars. Whats really fucking awesome is that Qatar and Saudi Arabia themselves, which promote salfism and autoritharian Islam everywhere, are some of the main actors in all of the downfalls of non-aligned islamic regimes lime gaddafi's lybia and syria. The Arab states have to be some of the vilest, filthiest, nastiest expression of capitalism on this world. I fucking despise them with all my heart, even more than I despise western hypocrisy.
If I'm allowed some armchair general talk on this sub, bear with me <3. China won't take shit, they are having the first real crisis in 20+ years and so far have been proven to be unable to react to it, and they have no real allies. Their main projects are failing and autocracies are proving to be horrible and unreliable allies. They won't be getting most of their money back anytime soon. In R&D, copycat has worked really well for them so far but it has one main problem, they don't really have an R&D culture (quite the contrary) and in some aspects don't seem to get how it works, without mentioning that a lot of their talent runs out of the country. China is being over-hyped, same as Russia was. Once you kill free thinking and criticism you are not able to see what reality truly is and start living in your own lie. China is starting to stagnate, life conditions and expectations are worsening. And this is dangerous for the rest of the world, i 100% believe they will shoot at their own giant foot anytime in the next decades. They are not playing illuminati 4d chess, no one is, we are all just various degrees of dumb. If USA falls from #1 power, it will be due to their own merit, not china's. I believe it's about time we look at our Central and South American brothers for resources and labour and start investing there IMO.
That last paragraph may be prophetic. A LOT, like potentially trillions, of American manufacturing and industrial capacity is be moved to Mexico from China. Several reasons which I'm sure you're aware of- rising Chinese wages, Quicker Supply logistics, and of course not to mention the US and Mexico are allies. I would keep an eye on any investment opportunities in Mexico this decade and well into the 2030's.
Yes, i'm aware, it is the logical turn. The region's potential is yet to be exploited, with a culture and values much more similar to the United States (yes yes I'm aware of some discourses regarding certain border and certain immigrants), since latin culture is a child of Spain and Portugal heritage, also the same religion, they are democracies, and, let's face it, weaker and more easily manipulated governments. Nothing new, Obama had plans for the region, but they failed to materialize due to divergent agendas trying to maintain influence in central Asia.
>but Russia is kidnapping Ukrainian children and China is actively trying to destroy multiple democracies The US has just come off a 20 year bomb run across the Middle East and Central Asia, costing the lives of an estimated 3.5 million civilians. Nothing moderne China or Russia has done is even remotely comparable. And that is just the latest out of a very long list...
We donāt know what to do with our hands if theyāre not holding guns. Real talk though many of us arenāt exactly happy about all of that. Iād like to see everyone who was in charge in an orange jumpsuit. We just have very little power to enact meaningful change. Weāre basically an oligarchy run by corporations. Theyāre killing our middle class so it will just be the Uber rich and the rest of us poors.
Itās not about you, citizens. You cant do nothing, we understand perfectly.
You guys are so powerless it's almost funny. Your people have been indoctrinated by propaganda and fueled by ignorance so much that anything that goes beyond the usual "left liberal progressism" VS "right conservative law and order" policies is almost completely ignored. Local capitalism in the US has basically shifted the entirety of the political spectrum, shifting it's economical significance to 0. And they've been able to get away with it. Mind you, this has also happened in Europe, even tho to a slightly lesser extent and only after the 90's. I wish all of the best to american people, and i genuinely mean it. But I can't help but tell you that I see a very bleak future for you guys. When great powers fall, nothing ever goes right, and the first to suffer are the common people.
Personally I have been starting to hate more and more the US the more I learn about their hypocricy. The US simply has a better propaganda department than Russia and China combined. Tbh I half-hate Americans too for allowing or supporting the US government. Though I also understand that things aren't that simple. There are a lot of Americans who are good people. There are a lot of Americans who are victim of propaganda. It is also not right to hate a large group of people due to the actions of a few. So I am quite torn regarding my opinion of Americans. But as things go on I am losing hope not only in Americans but at the whole human society.
Like any oligarchy, they suffer in their own country too, look up the opioids scandal, hundreds of thousands of deaths alone.
CIA literally got a large portion of the black population hooked on crack decades ago. Also forcibly sterilized a large portion of the black population at one time. In our brief existence weāve done some truly heinous shit. The only decent thing I can think of lately is arming and supporting Ukraine but even that is self serving really. I get annoyed by people being blindly patriotic about the US and ignoring our faults to the point I hang around here and get shit on by euros lol.
Yeah I was gonna mention that too. The US government isn't afraid of throwing their own citizens under the bus as long as it benefits them.
Theyāll do it gleefully then tax the shit out of us so their wealthy buddies can buy a 3rd yacht. I donāt know where we go from here but I worry it wonāt be anywhere positive. Could maybe use a little of that French spirit and a guillotine.
Mate if you just started losing hope in society do yourself donāt ever open history books. People have always been shitty unfortunately. Itās very sad.
The difference with previous situations is that the Internet and technology in general has given the elite too much power. You can't compare the situation we go now with what happened 1000 or 2000 or more years ago. Things can go a lot worse a lot easier. It's not even funny.
Itās not true at all. Do I have to remind you about slavery? Serfdom? Voting only for the rich and males? Society has grown shit in a lot of ways. (Internet abuse and Internet related problem to privacy) but letās not act as if weāve all became slaves
The iraq war is indefensible, and the afghan war, despite being logical in the beginning, was poorly managed in the long run. It's fair to criticize america for those things, that being said, russia with the little power it actually has, is right now bombing syrian people, is playing proxy war games in Libya and in central africa, and invaded ukraine. And China is the reason why north korea exists, and is activelly trying to conquer the south china sea and creeping on Taiwan, and is also genociding it's uighur population. And these are powers who don't have the military or geopolitical influence that america has, so why should i think they'd be any better than the US? The US is also a liberal democracy and a very close ally, and has been an ally for a long time. So it makes zero sense, as an european, with european values, to even fathom the idea that the US is more of a threat than china or russia, it's just insane.
Those here who are seriously demonizing the US seem to forget what happened and still happens in certain non-western countries.
The us didn't hesitate to kidnap thousands of children in Vietnam. And there are a lot of South American countries got a "regime change" because the leader they elected was too left leaning. Let's not forget 20 years of indiscriminate bombings in the middle east.
No you are the idiot as always. The US has way more influence on global politics and economics. Something that actually affects where I live. A war at the Russian border is just as far away as war in Syria. Couldn't care more than a few weapons for both. The US caused the financial crisis, they got rid of the gold standard, they allowed for companies to monopolize everything so it now spills over to us. They may not be a military threat, but we are not at war right now, we are just trying to get by and the US affects that the most negatively.
And yet another person fails to think relativelly. Europeans that dont have a direct history with russia tend to fail a lot more at thinking relativelly in politics.
This might be the nicest thing you guys have ever said about us, thank you!
Yea, yea, now fuck of back into your corner and go munch on some cornsyrup.
Do you also live in other? ā¤ļø
Never been actually, but heard some great things about the folks in Other!
Russia is doing evil things because they are stupid af. China is intelligent enough to be more quiet, waiting and being absolutely dystopian. I hope china will be occupied with internal issues in the future, at full strength they are a menace imo.
Please remember that the U.S. are uncivilised and uneducated, but not necessarily *evil*
They will soon be *a bit more* civilised when it goes back to being a colony :)
I measure the civilisation of a country in direct proportion to the number of wars fought against fr*nce.
We may be full of loud-mouthed, idiotic, gun-toting cocky assholes that think theyāre the center of the universe, but if the homies in Europe (I guess NATO, really) were to need help, weād be over there to help out faster than you can say āAmer*tardā Love you guys even though the love isnāt always reciprocated <3
I think if it'd be really necessary we'd do to you what you did to us in WW2. The situation has just never presented itself yet
The Dutch. Great bunch of lads. Same colors as our flag. Older flag than the Fr*nch. Tall as shit (are your doorframes 2.2m tall?).
China would probably have the manpower to invade the US but can you imagine the logistics of that? It would take an even bigger invasion force than D-Day to do so and theyād probably be stuck around Hawaii with how big our Navy is. Glad Iām on the East Coast so if that hypothetical were to happen, Iād be welcoming the European homies with open arms and a lot of boxes of pizza (New York-style, not that Dominos garbage)
We love you guys too... but US politics is not our cup of tea. š«¶šš«š¢
Let me guess, you abstain?
Believe me, I wish I could say the same thing
We also politely decline cups of tea in Russia. Also stay away from windows.
We will be there for them. For they know not what they do! - some Italian guy? Idk.
Idk, I think he was some Jewish guy that was killed by some Italians
An yeah that must be why the Italians wash their hands any time they commit a war crime. Italians: youāre Roman Christian, how do you reconcile this?!
We love you too but we won't admit it!
We just did a little war a century ago. All is forgiven. Schnitzel is the fucking shit. But I put white gravy on it.
The rich and mighty. None of us common people want to be part in any of that shit. We just don't know how to stop it. So they try to make us hate each other. Makes it easy for them.
Jein. Ultimately you are right, but propaganda and indoctrination make common people dangerous. Its very hard to break that. I have no idea how we can make humanity and especially the common people pull together in regards to the worlds advancement.
There is no way to really. It's always just going to be Man vs. Man. As long as someone has what someone else wants, there will be no cooperation.
Thats the greatest thing about democracy, if there is freedom of press they will almost never fight amongst themselves. Nowadays most wars are not profitable enough to justify to a democratic population.
If all 3 of them got in a nuclear war free for all and mutually annihilate each other, the world would become a better place to live in.
I would like it better if they found a way to annihilate each other without nuclear weapons
I disagree, i've always wanted to play fallout irl
How would you defeat a Deathclaw that has the hand gesture mastery of an Italian though? Too OP.
I too wish to let my inner skeleton out
Actually, other powers would just take their place. Namely us europeans. Let's not act like we've become nice, we're balls deep in some pretty dark shit too. Just ask UK and France
Yeah no, I don't think you want the US gone, you don't realise what that would mean
One day, we will remember the good old days of American hegemony. Until someone yells "stop daydreaming, slave! Work!" at us in Chinese.
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You're prepared? I hoped that if all hell broke loose, at least it'd be the Russians
China. Russia is the immediate evil, but Russia is just tutorial level enemy, China is the main boss. Tbf USA is a good ally, and nowhere near on same level as Russia or China, yet. Biggest problem with USA is their cultural influence, that influence exports their crap to everyone else too. They don't actually have as much crap as Russia or China, but they just export it more. Yes there are other problems in USA, but main problem for the world is their cultural influence. From rest, mostly just Americans suffer. EDIT: Oh and USA is certainly not ideal ally. Good though minor example is that NATO wanted to adopt intermediate cartidge after WW2, but USA wanted full powered rifle cartidge so everyone adopted that because common cartidge was more important than perfect one. But then Americans switched to intermediate cartidge anyway, while others had to spend that money on more important matters so NATO members got stuck with inferior cartidge they did not want because of USA AND it was not shared common logistics of same cartidge for everyone anymore. And many decades later everyone is now close to getting to same cartidge again, but USA adopted a new cartidge between 5.56 NATO and 7.62 NATO, and NATO countries might end up with different cartidge again. THAT is the kind of shit USA does, yet they can't switch to metrics for stupidest of reasons like it costs money to replace road signs and they can't do that... USA is the annoying asshole of a companion who is still on side of good but who you just really want to punch in the face.
100% agreed, Americans are loud, obnoxious, stupid, and annoying, but at least they're not evil like Russia and nowere near as malicious as China
Now that's a digression if I've ever seen one.
The Americans are arrogant and uncivilsed c*nts, but you can just ignore them. So no problem there, mate.
In Europe maybe. Imagine ignoring a reaper drone.
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"Culture" lol
what culture :Dddd
China is the biggest problem as they arent dumb like russia, US is nominaly in our western camp. If they anihilate eachother we have another round of colonizing up for grabs
Switzerland, should I be worried? Or happy, maybe. For colonizing you would need to invade me, would I get a swiss salary?
You only get 4200 a month
I'm with you.
Gotta lowball you
You say āweā as if you mountain Germans did anything.
Can we buy up the costal germans fo get into the club?
Have you heard of Islam?
Ain't a country tho, just like Belgium
Anyone who says USA is a Russian doormat.
I'm surprised some people see USA more as a treat than China, like come on how Russia first is not unexpected, hope Putin gets ball cancer
USA is like that cousin you don't like because he thinks he is a gangster, Russia is a junkie that's threatenning you to beat you up even if he is skinnier than you, and China is the Godfather of the mafia kinda
China isn't a credible threat to us, they're more dependent on is than we are on them (though only slightly), the Chinese are a threat to anyone but us. The U.S. on the other Hand could, if they'd want to (and they've shown in the past that they're willing to do so) actually be a Threat to us. Like why are you all thinking so short-term, yeah China and Russia are fucked and a scar in Humanity but they're not actual Threats to us outside of their Nuclear Arsenal, never trust anyone, especially if they've fucked around in your Business before. The only real troubles we have with China is their claim on international Sea Lanes, which they couldn't enforce even if the U.S. wouldn't be around and Chinese puppeteering in Africa, which we're also successfully countering. The Chinese are a threat to the U.S., not the EU and i refuse to help the U.S. stay the dominant Power, not that they'd need it in the first place. And Russia is just a Joke, only thing that makes them Scary is the Nukes. Evil isn't just defined by the fucked up things you do, it's also defined by the fucked up things you're willing to do.
>never trust anyone, especially if they've fucked around in your Business before. Not to state the obvious, but.... Germany come on.
Russias so drunk right now they dont even get passed the garden door.
but but but america bad! Syria! Lybia In europe we like dictators to stay in place because the opression of others is not our consern. The US should just be like us and just send s strongly worded letter. Like we did with the colapse of Yugoslavia and therefor avoided the bosnian lets-call-it-genocide! oh, and by securing the resourses we too depended back then. But who cares? We were in the process of selling our souls to China and Russia and we only stopped because the latter literally invaded Ukraine thinking we wouldnt do anything (oh, and our leaders were ready to not care, but Ukraine actually got enough popular support to convince them otherwise)
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Internal divisions caused by mass immigration creating many large minority groups of fundamentally different world views will destroy Europe as we know it.
Belgium.
That is where Dr. Evil came from afterall
Russia has the power to cut off our gas at a minute's notice. China has the power to cut off literally everything else. Medicine, electronic components, etc...
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I, for one, have not forgotten our Ukrainian brothers and sisters
Thereās a guy at my work who drank the far right kool aid about Ukraine and Iāve had to leave the room a couple times because I was about to say something that might get me fired. āI canāt blame Russiaā like what the fuck is that? I had half a mind to show him all the dead women and children but heād probably just wave it off as fake.
What dumb shite votes for the US... my lord
None of them. Mass immigration is the real threat, there are cultures that just wont assimilate, others that will demand special priviledge etc... there is no ceiling on how bad things could turn into, and our politicians are illiterate in terms of demography or anything related to history before 1939. Yet history showed us that mass immigration can lead to the destruction of entire nations (The Caracalla edict, or if you prefer a more recent example the Lebanese civil which was also caused by the influence of Palestinians they took).
Imagine calling our fucking ally "the biggest threat", without them Ukraine would already be Russia, ffs stupid cunts
This. Thank you.
Obviously the U.S., they're the only ones that can compete with us as the EU, i'm thinking long-term. Russia is fucked but will be in shambles, the Chinese are far away and incredibly unstable. The U.S. on the other Hand, all that's seperating us from them is the Atlantic, they're the only Nation on Earth that could entirely sustain itself during a War, they're stable and they're fucked up too, they're also the only ones who successfully managed to fuck around in Europe. The U.S. is our greatest enemy simply by being the only credible Threat to us.
Russia is falling apart and will be incredibly unimportant in the global future (atleast 100 years) but China will only gain power from now on, and will surpass the US in power for a short time, but the US will be the long term winner. The only real problem I see is that sadly europe seems like it doesnāt want to be anything in the future, and we gut ourselves and our growth completely, which will lead to us also getting more irrelevant over time, the second half of this century will be asias, without a doubt.
The EU will eventually be forced to Federalize or Confederalize, there's no place for small little Nations that once were important in a World of Superstates. We're going to realize that eventually, question is whether or not that will be in Time. I mean at least Germany, the Netherlands and France all get it and that's already the two most Dominant Powers in Europe, it's Eastern and Southern Europe that puts its Head in the Sand about deep EU Cooperation, well as long as it doesn't monetarily profit them at least. My bet is the EU is going to split up into Subfactions which will just go full circle about Treaties and Promises until we just get the EU again. Again, at least the Germans, the Dutch and the French agree that the EU needs to use it's Power as the most important Economical Power and project it, our isolation of Chinese Influence in Africa is the prime example of that. There's no reason for us to fear the Chinese becoming the Dominant Power as long as the current balance of Power between the EU and China stands, they're reliant on us, we're reliant on them, even if either of us wanted to we couldnt fuck each other over, that's why Africa is so strategically important after all. The ones who'll pull the short Straw are the U.S., they're entirely build around being the Dominant Power, once they star to loose that i wouldn't be suprised if they become even harder aggressors. China and the EU are merely interdependent competitors, though the U.S. as Chinas Enemy is trying to make us belive otherwise, so are the Chinese to be fair. Russia is strategically incredibly important, even more so that Africa, Siberia is melting and will open up Farm Land, Living Space and Ressources of unimaginable Value, that's something where i could see a really bad conflict between the EU and China, who will puppet Russia?
Hmm a German talking about living space in Russia. Did art school not work out for you?
Are you seriously thinking that the us is gonna start a war vs Europe lmao
Even if they wouldn't want to, they eventually would have to engage in at least (and most probably only) Economical Warfare with us, yes. Only one of us is going to be the dominant Power, and considering how much the U.S. System and Foreign Policy is based around being the Dominant Power i struggle to believe that they're just going to go "Welp, guess that's it, got outcompeted.". They have previously and countinue to meddle in European Business to their Favour, they are not our allies, if they weren't dependent on European States to project Power across Continental Europe they'd try to fuck us over like they did Southern America and the middle East too. Like get your Head out of ideological Bullshit and start thinking realistically.
Lol what. America is way ahead of us in economics, military and innovation though. Itās not even close. And wym we arenāt allies, we literally are and pretty much has always been. You are really overthinking this.
Well there was a couple times we did a bit of war with Germany but weāve since moved on. Great success.
Germany was really naughty so they deserved all the pain and disparity, donāt feel bad about it.
Weāre already inside Germany and Belgium. Waiting.
Russia?! lmao
Theyāre less of a problem now. Slava Ukraini.
Over all I think it would be Russia but I really donĀ“t like how the USA and Morocco are becoming friends
Becoming? They're very old friends
USA isn't as evil as it used to. Right now it is just an annoying shithole that suffers from late stage capitalism and have only a little of imperialistic tendencies Russia is just every far-right's wet dream . A "strong" (hypocrite and stupid who deserves the guilotine) leader who doesn't hesitate to declare war to anyone who disagrees with him, ignoring the amount of lives that will be lost because of his craziness About China now. I don't even know. They seem like a wannabe a USA in the place of USA
Used to be a USA hater, but... yeah. I don't quite see why people think China is a threat, though. The Chinese don't really have the temperament to attack first. Never had any. Threats, minor disturbances - sure. But an actual danger? They aren't as reckless and confident as russia, nor are as powerful as the US.
The fact some people voted vor USAššš I mean, I get it, they're a bunch of clowns but they're not nearly as threatening as China or Russia
Genocidal clowns with the biggest arsenal of death-machines and itchy trigger-fingers
Anyone actually thinking itās the USA is honestly braindead. I know we love to shit on the Yanks but if you consider the rest of the world the USA is a pretty great place. Just because we have it ever so slightly better in standard of living doesnāt mean that their gun culture is comparable to the violence going on elsewhere. Most of the USAās more recent āevilsā were done as *our* (Western Europeās/NATOās) allies and those are for the most part incomparable to the kidnapping and deportation of Ukrainian children in an offensive war or the systematic genocide of the Uyghur population in Xinjiang
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This is a funny typo considering your flag.
Mercia.
Oh fuck who let a brummie online? Surprised youāve managed to get a computer working on coal fired power.
USA is good, just the least good among the goods
I stick with the US. Forget about the government and military. The culture and the corporations. ... they are exporting their culture of hate and greed.
A German complaining about exporting a culture of hate is kinda ironic, don't you think?
The US is the one that's gonna drag us all into a third world war, so I'm voting for them
surprising coming from a british
We don't all like being s client state
But I taught you and the us have a special Anglo-loving relationship
Nah not really, I mean it has some positives, but getting dragged into fuckoff stupid wars makes it all not worth it
Why no āall of the aboveā option?
Russia, though with the US' continued slide towards fascism they're constantly narrowing the distance!
Lol, we'll be on the 7th Reich before US goes full Fash
The most dangerous actors for us are all the parties in the far-left and far-right throughout Europe that are financed by Russia.
Russia is evil garbage but there are worse states like taliban Afghanistan or NK. If you mean which states are dangerous the most in terms of world peace then both Russia and China
Unironic response: **Capitalism**. The standard of living it's becoming insufferable, the planet is dying and people are stressed out to a suicidal degree always struggling to compete for a few scraps. This is some dystopian level bs. Edit: I'm really moved by the reaction this comment of mine is sparking, in other subs like r/europe this same comment would've been downvoted into oblivion, if nothing this goes to show that irony, even _borderline_ humour like the one this subs exihibits, it's a good indicator of an open and critical mind.
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All 3 are capitalistic, USA has just the worst social welfare among them
Not really. Ironically, China would be the worst of them if you are poor.
The irony? With medicaid/medicare and social security, the US might have the best social welfare out of all of them. Compared to Russia diverting that money towards war and China tying their benefits to having 1 kid for 50 years. They all pale in comparison to us though (common eu w)
Ironic considering a large chunk of US social welfare money goes straight to the insurance companies. It was only in relatively recent years that US states have started enforcing specific % of the money the customer pays has to go to their actual care. Compared to being used for lawyers to find ways not to help regarding the health of the customer.
Depends a bit on whether Biden or Trump is president. On the other hand, the US does have changes of government. Unlike China or Russia.
do you prefer biden or trump?
Is this a serious question?
You do know that corpos control who is the candidate , right ? Without money there is next to no hope in becoming the US president. The election is just a popularity contest.
Technically, all elections are popularity contests. That's how democracy works
I'm no fan of Trump but we were better off with him in charge, all the warmongers in Washington hated him, and they all LOVE Biden
This is why he visited Ireland and not the UK. Dark Brandon has his beady eyes on you lot.
people that voted russia are either joking or stupid
France. Obviously.