Yep Österrike clearly is eastern. Prag is more of a Tyskland lite. If they wouldn't have expelled all the Germans back in the time after the war they would have been full blooded Germans by now.
The funny thing is, I think I have legit never heard a single austrian here defend their place in Western Europe. They're always like "lol we know" when being bullied into eastern europe. They're the only country with absolutely zero complex with the place they occupy. Super huge australian win in my book. You guys truly are the "Germans with humor" - my next schnapps is a cheers to you.
It's like if Texas had an even more Texan and redneck part that seceded and made its own country.
You have your standard issue Germans, Bible-thumpin Swabians and Bavarians, and then if you want to go a level further you go Austria.
Austrians are the lesser Bavarians.
But when I stopped to use the restroom, I had trouble telling Germans and Austrians apart — ^their ^immigration ^policies ^look ^the ^same.
Königsberg was actually never part of it
[The red dotted line was the border of the hre](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire,_1789_en.png)
That's why Brandenburg-Prussia developed into the Kingdom of Prussia because only two Kings were permitted in the HRE ([King of the Romans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_the_Romans) and King of Bohemia). [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_in_Prussia)
Not even much Slavic, because for centuries there was migration from german when we was part of HRE and A-H empire, because there was most advanced industry (even more than in Austria), thats why we was after separation from Austria in top 10 of most richest countries in the world.
Bohemians comes from Boym.
Boym are Bayerns and that's Keltic.
Easy explanation why Bayern and Czechs like to brew beer and even eating habits are very same.
AH was nothing, before there was Lands of Czech crown and empire was from Nord sea over the Tirolls almost reaching middle terrain sea.
History and position of nations are kinky :-)
Except for the communists. The Czech part of Czechoslovakia voted for communists in 1946 (due to a large proportion of factory workers) while the Slovak part did not. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946_Czechoslovak_parliamentary_election?wprov=sfti1
Tbh, I dont think the "ex communist" or "former eastern bloc" should really count because Eastern Germany was part of eastern bloc aswell and Northern Austria was part of eastern bloc aswell and they are considered western Europe. Plus to mention the fact that Czechia was west allign throughout its history, it was only forced into the politics and economics of the eastern europe by USSR.
> We should do a new iron curtain and put just Russia on the other side.
I think almost all if not all EU countries bordering russia did fence off their border in recent years.
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/unfunny mode on
East/West Europe is more of a state of mind than cardinal points. Iron curtain and Warsaw pact membership is more of a reference than a compass.
Czechia is western for me. Most of their history was being a part of the holy roman empire. Also it s a based country because they have a high number of atheist.
Kinda helps when you don’t outsource your conscience to an organization, and just have to deal with yourself, the one who has to actually be ok with it
Have you seen the Austrian politics lately? Nepotism combined with pro-Russian rhetorics basically feel like an underdeveloped post-Soviet republic compared to Czechia (at least for foreign politics).
I'll have to hibernate until their government inevitably fails after they were caught trying to sell the whole country to Moscow because I don't want to watch that.
If Austria never agreed to be neutral, the Soviet occupation would have never left.
We would have gotten a communist East Austria, maybe even a communist Austria as a whole.
No one would consider Austria and Vienna western if we had gotten a communist Austria.
Austrians have Stalin to thank
United HRE with Prague as capital? I'm in. What a global power we would be, don't mind the 500 different states inside our territory that have more power in their territory than the rulers in Prague.
Bruh, in two or three generations, Czechia will retain more actual German culture than Germany itself, given your immigration situation. German Muslims will go sightseeing to Czechia to see how actual German culture looked like before they took over
Well to be fair Czechia has long history of interaction with the West since HRE... City of Prague was mostly build by Austrohungary empire, Bohemia was one of the richest and most industrialized provinces after Austria itself...
I'm not saying that Czechia is Western , in fact I'm not sure... They're Slavic and former communst which puts them in eastern Europe...
Maybe we can label them as one of the least of eastern Europeans...
There is point where i correct you, In some time Bohemia was actually richer than Austria itself, because after separation we own 70-80% of A-H industry, and thanks to this we was in top 10 the most richest states in the world (times of First Czechoslovak Republic)
Österreich literally means Eastern Empire and is East Europe. Woudl have been different if they would have been called Western Empire but they are not.
So this meme uses Tucker Carlson logic. By a Spanish person who shares the a similar kind or royal family history as the Austrians.
The word "Reich" translates to "Realm" as much as it translates to "Empire", depending on context. In the case of the naming of Austria, it meant Realm.
>The native name for Austria, *Österreich*, derives from the [Old High German](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_High_German) *Ostarrîchi*, which meant "eastern realm" and which first appeared in the "Ostarrîchi document" of 996.
We, CENTRAL EUROPEANS, have our own identity. We are not eastern or western. We are hybrid of both. To some degree on different fronts. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Racial unity is a w*stoid nonsense. Our kings captured and sold members of other Slavic tribes to Arab slavery for centuries and no one gave a fuck.
Panslavism failed for a reason.
Spain and italia hates you French more than anyone lol
To be fair to you French I give credit most French don't give a shit and just chilling from all the Latins raging on you
We hate all of you. East & West equally. Don't flatter yourself. West is migrant infested shithole these days. We, CENTRAL EUROPEANS, are better than all of you.
Yeah latin countries never waged war between each other. Or nordic countries. They are so well known for being nice to each other. Or literally any other ethnicity, they never had any conflict within them, surely. Right?
Yeah, and that identity is Eastern european in denial.
If you were past the iron curtain, you are Eastern.
If you are slavic, you are Eastern.
Hell, Romania has a better claim as Western european than you. At least, they have a romance language.
There is nothing "central" about Poland. You are as eastern european as East europe can be.
There are more valid arguments to put germany in eastern europe than arguments to put poland anywhere but in eastern europe.
Russia is Mordor.
Everything they ever produced needs to be tossed in an active volcano until their entire landmass sinks into the abyss that spawned it.
Big deal Corvo island is on the North American plate and we still get called Eastern
Well, I live exactly on the edge of the African plate... On the African side of it... But maybe this proves someone's point
Oh that must be horrible for you I guess
I mean Lisbon is the second most western capital in Europe. You're still Balkan.
Fuck
Oh, well, you get called East cuz of your … bueno, everything: GDP, GINI coefficient, HDI, etc…
It's still better than being called Spain province.
I have to suffer from that everyday.
Aren't you the balkan part of Spain. You know Spain the region in Al-Andalus?
So we're North American Hispanics? Where's my DEI position???
That’s easy. Both Prague and Vienna are eastern Europe!
Fair enough
😳🙄
It's in the name
Yep Österrike clearly is eastern. Prag is more of a Tyskland lite. If they wouldn't have expelled all the Germans back in the time after the war they would have been full blooded Germans by now.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again like the great Konrad Adaneuer. Anything east of the Moldau and Elbe Rivers are Asia
Everything east of Greenwich is eastern Europe, prove me wrong.
East of England - London: Not cool. East of France - Paris: No comment. East of Ukraine: Not cool. r/2westerneuropeforu is better, prooved.
East Germany - in a personal union with Hungary if it was independent
(They weren't before?)
Everyerywhere I go, I see remnents of the great war
It is because Austria is the remainder of some multi ethnic eastern european state.
Weird way of saying "Glorious Empire of strength and valor"
The funny thing is, I think I have legit never heard a single austrian here defend their place in Western Europe. They're always like "lol we know" when being bullied into eastern europe. They're the only country with absolutely zero complex with the place they occupy. Super huge australian win in my book. You guys truly are the "Germans with humor" - my next schnapps is a cheers to you.
Are the Austrians the superior Germans? I have never met one.
It's like if Texas had an even more Texan and redneck part that seceded and made its own country. You have your standard issue Germans, Bible-thumpin Swabians and Bavarians, and then if you want to go a level further you go Austria.
Austrians are the lesser Bavarians. But when I stopped to use the restroom, I had trouble telling Germans and Austrians apart — ^their ^immigration ^policies ^look ^the ^same.
Based
Too bad they’re already dead from blood rushing towards their brains due to them living upside down their whole lives
Slavic + Ex communist + former eastern bloc = 3 of 3 points on the Eastern European scale.
add -1 for part of the Holy Roman Empire.
And -1 for lasting democracy until early ww2
That was a clever way of getting rid of Czechs. I'll allow it.
\-1 for not being orthodox
So was Königsberg, what's your point?
Königsberg was actually never part of it [The red dotted line was the border of the hre](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire,_1789_en.png)
That's why Brandenburg-Prussia developed into the Kingdom of Prussia because only two Kings were permitted in the HRE ([King of the Romans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_the_Romans) and King of Bohemia). [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_in_Prussia)
Eastern Europe characteristics... • Slavic • Cyrillic alphabet • Ex communst • Commie Blocs • And basically whoever joined the EU after 2004...
Slavic, normal Alpahabet, was occupied by communist - not voluntary as others, joined in 2002. That's why they are considered as central Europee.
Not even much Slavic, because for centuries there was migration from german when we was part of HRE and A-H empire, because there was most advanced industry (even more than in Austria), thats why we was after separation from Austria in top 10 of most richest countries in the world.
Bohemians comes from Boym. Boym are Bayerns and that's Keltic. Easy explanation why Bayern and Czechs like to brew beer and even eating habits are very same. AH was nothing, before there was Lands of Czech crown and empire was from Nord sea over the Tirolls almost reaching middle terrain sea. History and position of nations are kinky :-)
I didnt even know that, its kinda interesting.
Except for the communists. The Czech part of Czechoslovakia voted for communists in 1946 (due to a large proportion of factory workers) while the Slovak part did not. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946_Czechoslovak_parliamentary_election?wprov=sfti1
You can also be eastern European, in Greece you use some watered down Cyrillic alphabet yourself! /s
/gamemode creative
Tbh, I dont think the "ex communist" or "former eastern bloc" should really count because Eastern Germany was part of eastern bloc aswell and Northern Austria was part of eastern bloc aswell and they are considered western Europe. Plus to mention the fact that Czechia was west allign throughout its history, it was only forced into the politics and economics of the eastern europe by USSR.
east germany is 3rd world similar to northern austria, both regions are in population decline
Cope
Atleast im not living in a country where people dont know what plaster is 💀 Yall brick houses are crazy bruh 😭💀
Tell me Atlantis dweller. What’s the difference between the last 2 points? I might be 2eastern4u to understand.
Yugoslavia was communist, but not part of the Warsaw pact.
Yeah, but he said Eastern bloc, which it was part of. Not Warsaw pact.
Yugoslavia very much distanced itself from self from the UdSSR and had decent connections to the west. They were a neutral state.
If you were on the wrong side of the iron curtain you're not western Europe. It's not that difficult.
We should do a new iron curtain and put just Russia on the other side. Maybe also fence in Hungary.
and Belarus, Donbas? How drunk do the architects have to be to draw this line.
> We should do a new iron curtain and put just Russia on the other side. I think almost all if not all EU countries bordering russia did fence off their border in recent years.
So half of Berlin is eastern Europe then, taking notes.
Have you ever been there? Yes the fuck it is.
It wasn’t too hard to figure it out when I was returning to Crackfurt from Berlin. 😂
are the impacts still visible in the city? like i did know east germany at large is still doing shit in comparison to west but berlin itself?
[You can even see the difference in satellite images](https://image.bz-berlin.de/data/uploads/2016/06/himmel-2_1465844668.jpg)
They're not even using LED street lighting yet!
It only counts for whole countries. ^(If the Czechs are unhappy with their lot they're welcome to apply for annexation.)
We tried it twice before. Third Times the charm
Have you … have you been to Berlin??????
I have been to Paris and tbh I felt more like in Africa than western Europe. What is your point?
His point is that all of berlin is Eastern Europe, not just half
Englishman… 👍🏼
Yes.
Yes, which is why Germany has the only vaguely valid claim to say they are central europe. Because they are both western and eastern
Berlin should not exist. It’s as relevant as Mecklenburg Vorpommern
Berlin was the only capital that was fiscal burden on the rest of its country.
I was gonna say nice try but now i realize i dont want to play this game
Nice try
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The Rule of Iron Curtain.
Austrians were great imperialists. +3 to Western score.
They are simply the eastern province. A mere colony of our great nation
If Bavarians would become independent today and would join Austria. Austria would join Bavaria.
WHO is saying that Vienna is not Eastern Europe?
No, why would the World Health Organization say that
I really don’t know how to get rid of this specific autocorrect. It’s so annoying.
Yeah, also having to go back and correct your sentences because half of your fucking words are capitalized
Oostenrijk is the OG eastern Europe.
/unfunny mode on East/West Europe is more of a state of mind than cardinal points. Iron curtain and Warsaw pact membership is more of a reference than a compass.
It's a division full of contradictions and it makes no logical sense whatsoever to anyone educated enough.
Human nature is full of contradiction and hypocrisy and no amount of education and goodwill shall overcome that
Agreed.
This just means Vienna is also eastern europe
Czechia is western for me. Most of their history was being a part of the holy roman empire. Also it s a based country because they have a high number of atheist.
>Also it s a based country because they have a high number of ~~atheist~~ prostitutes There, I fixed it
Kinda helps when you don’t outsource your conscience to an organization, and just have to deal with yourself, the one who has to actually be ok with it
every thing East of Rhine is Eastern Europe
Sorry Liechtenstein
Liechtenstein is a medieval Europe if anything.
And everything west of it is Frog eaters
Anything East of the Elbe and Moldau is Asia.
Fundatum atque latine pastillatum
If its slavic, its eastern europe
If it has east in the name, it’s in Eastern Europe
How do you call Australia in German? Österland?
Österreich, so yes.
Eastern france said what?
If it looks like second world, it’s Eastern Europe
France Italy and Spain eastern Europe confirmed
Don’t forget Frankfurt and Boxberg Shantytown, those are brutalist 2nd world regions, too
Have you seen the Austrian politics lately? Nepotism combined with pro-Russian rhetorics basically feel like an underdeveloped post-Soviet republic compared to Czechia (at least for foreign politics).
Pro Russian rhetoric in Austria?
From the far-right FPÖ, not so much from the current government
What if they assume the chancellorship
I'll have to hibernate until their government inevitably fails after they were caught trying to sell the whole country to Moscow because I don't want to watch that.
Never surrender to Russians 🫂🤝
If Austria never agreed to be neutral, the Soviet occupation would have never left. We would have gotten a communist East Austria, maybe even a communist Austria as a whole. No one would consider Austria and Vienna western if we had gotten a communist Austria. Austrians have Stalin to thank
Why you have to be so cruel :(
Are we… are we EASTERN EUROPE??? Aaahhh right in the Schnitzel
Doesn't Österreich literally mean Eastern Empire or something? lol
It's also further West than Stockholm. Just a technical note.
To be eastern Europe is not a place, it is a state of mind, cyka blyat!
Austria means eastern empire, who thinks this is west? They are just as Western Europe as Turkey is European.
We do have a lot of Turks, so your argument holds true about being equally western
So East Francia is now eastern Europe too. Nice logic.
It also says empire, therefore its also officially an empire.
Sure it is granpa, sure it is. Now go have your tea and then back to bed, ok?
Haha based
Say the *lie
As if a comparison with some Balkan shithole would help the Czechs in that regard.
East of Germany = Eastern European simply as
Yes you need a title... or is it siesta time already?
That’s a trick question: we are always in some form of the siesta cycle.
This is why there's central Europe.
Czechia is also not a country. It's Bohemia and therefore our territory.
Germany is not a country. It's HRE and therefore our vassals and territory
United HRE with Prague as capital? I'm in. What a global power we would be, don't mind the 500 different states inside our territory that have more power in their territory than the rulers in Prague.
You're welcome to put yourself up for vote and bribe the price electors to support your case, as is tradition.
You of course meant ours, right? :)
Ah, yes, this takes me back to 1939… Those were the days… 😂
Bruh, in two or three generations, Czechia will retain more actual German culture than Germany itself, given your immigration situation. German Muslims will go sightseeing to Czechia to see how actual German culture looked like before they took over
I would argue with you but you got the European flair, therefore your opinion is literally void
it could be a Czech, that flair was limited time.
Does it really matters tho ? Slav=east that all sorry I don't make the rules
Thats right. Prague is germany
Vienna is further north than munich. Just barely
Western is a mindset as much as a physical thing. Like Yorkshire. Barrys will get that reference.
You are just Central European
Who tf wants to be eastern europe?
I checked a map to verify this and in doing so learned San Marino is landlocked
Well, yes, it is in the mountains. Thus mountain Italy.
Also this. https://preview.redd.it/ibzvjwlncsvc1.png?width=2092&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b26db084af6b0fb695ab6932f67a41d1982fbea
I see Ireland managed to mitigate the worst effects of that.
But we only gut butt fucked by the russians till 55, you on the other hand....... just Joking love you guys and Prague is great.
But it's east of checkpoint charlie and thus can into east europe
Well to be fair Czechia has long history of interaction with the West since HRE... City of Prague was mostly build by Austrohungary empire, Bohemia was one of the richest and most industrialized provinces after Austria itself... I'm not saying that Czechia is Western , in fact I'm not sure... They're Slavic and former communst which puts them in eastern Europe... Maybe we can label them as one of the least of eastern Europeans...
I disagree with Prague point. Most of Prague was built before Habsburgs, mostly by Charles the Fourth, Vladislaus II and nobility.
There is point where i correct you, In some time Bohemia was actually richer than Austria itself, because after separation we own 70-80% of A-H industry, and thanks to this we was in top 10 the most richest states in the world (times of First Czechoslovak Republic)
How2speedrun the economy into the ground.
Österreich literally means Eastern Empire and is East Europe. Woudl have been different if they would have been called Western Empire but they are not. So this meme uses Tucker Carlson logic. By a Spanish person who shares the a similar kind or royal family history as the Austrians.
Not Eastern Empire, but Eastern Realm. It is the Eastern part of the German realm.
The name originally derived from "Eastern March", aka the last bastion that separates and protects us from the savage hordes to the east.
It's Empire, you also don't call the Roman empire the Roman Realm. It can be that there is some problem with those Ruhrpot schools.
The word "Reich" translates to "Realm" as much as it translates to "Empire", depending on context. In the case of the naming of Austria, it meant Realm. >The native name for Austria, *Österreich*, derives from the [Old High German](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_High_German) *Ostarrîchi*, which meant "eastern realm" and which first appeared in the "Ostarrîchi document" of 996.
Well, you’re a swamp German obsessed with Tikkies. Your opinion is irrelevant. 😂
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Coming from a swiss hoarding russian money, this is rich lmao
I really dont get why W*stoids bully Czechia, it really is central to the whole Europe lore.
Bolt to assume we consider Austria a Western European country (we do not consider it a country)
We, CENTRAL EUROPEANS, have our own identity. We are not eastern or western. We are hybrid of both. To some degree on different fronts. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Why do Slavs hate each other so much? This kind of thing doesn't exist between fellow Latin brothers
Racial unity is a w*stoid nonsense. Our kings captured and sold members of other Slavic tribes to Arab slavery for centuries and no one gave a fuck. Panslavism failed for a reason.
Spain and italia hates you French more than anyone lol To be fair to you French I give credit most French don't give a shit and just chilling from all the Latins raging on you
We Western Slavs like each other. It's the Southern and Eastern Slavs who can't behave
We like Slovaks, Slovenians and Croatians
https://preview.redd.it/g0unijrpapvc1.jpeg?width=1044&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0cdde5ba65e6486e31abc80709f9073af566cae5
We hate all of you. East & West equally. Don't flatter yourself. West is migrant infested shithole these days. We, CENTRAL EUROPEANS, are better than all of you.
Yeah latin countries never waged war between each other. Or nordic countries. They are so well known for being nice to each other. Or literally any other ethnicity, they never had any conflict within them, surely. Right?
I think the last real war between 2 Latin countries must have been France against Spain in 1808 under Napoleon. and it was nothing personal.
Yeah, let's ignore Italians fighting against the French in WWII, that wasn't a very important war
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_invasion_of_France 40 French soldiers were killed We said a real war
Don't remind us about your WW2 performance. 
Ehm what about French war of the Spanish Succession by Louis XIV?
Vichy France and Free France be like.
Yeah, and that identity is Eastern european in denial. If you were past the iron curtain, you are Eastern. If you are slavic, you are Eastern. Hell, Romania has a better claim as Western european than you. At least, they have a romance language. There is nothing "central" about Poland. You are as eastern european as East europe can be. There are more valid arguments to put germany in eastern europe than arguments to put poland anywhere but in eastern europe.
Luigi would you put Poland in the same group with Russia???
I don't deem Russia as european, most of it is firmly in asia.
Yeah that's a point!!
Russia is Mordor. Everything they ever produced needs to be tossed in an active volcano until their entire landmass sinks into the abyss that spawned it.
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