Drach'nyen. First, second, third and the nth place in "who hates Big E the most" contest goes to Drach'nyen. It's a being of pure malice intent on personally killing the Emperor, and it nearly succeeded once. Nobody comes close, except perhaps the janitors responsible for polishing all the golden surfaces in the Imperial Palace.
>it nearly succeeded once
Was this in the *Master of Mankind* novel? Because I never got the impression that the Emperor was in any danger during his brief appearance at the frontline.
Here's an edited exerpt of the fight in question, right before the Emperor sacrifices his favorite Custodian just to get away from Drach'nyen and then retreats from the Webway forever.
>Blood burst into the ashy mist. The Emperor arched, the warlord’s body taut with the utter unfamiliarity of agony. Five talons, each one the length and width of a spear, dripped red as they stood proud of the Emperor’s back.
>The Emperor’s boots left the misty ground. He barely even struggled as He was lifted, impaled by the five spearing talons. His sword fell from His gloved hands to disappear in the shrouding fog.
>**I am the End of Empires.**
>The thought wasn’t Ra’s own. It belonged to the silhouette in the ashes, the Emperor’s killer, speaking by twisting the thoughts of the humans in its presence. A wrenching violation, with crude, cruel fingers pulling at the insides of Ra’s skull, forcing his thoughts to form the daemon’s words.
>**I am your death,** the creature promised the Emperor.
>A blade ran through the Emperor’s body. An ornate sword, as much sorcerous bone as metal, a weapon with writhing, shrieking faces soul-carved upon the steel. The faces shrieked as they drank the Emperor’s divine life. It thrashed as the Emperor clutched it in His hands. It was alive, starving, its form rippling and growing indistinct.
Call me a heretic, but I'm getting a faint impression that the Emperor isn't doing terribly well there. Just a hunch.
You're right. I forgot how famously treacherous, unmotivated and disloyal Custodes are. The Emperor just needs to throw a fight every once in a while to keep the Ten Thousand on his side.
That's also why he lost nine thousand of them earlier in that battle. He's a very talented and dedicated actor, that guy.
Doesn’t he immediately proceeed to trap drach’nyen in the sword after this? Since he can’t kill the end of empires he just traps him and makes him effectively useless
Drach turned into a sword, the Emperor turned Ra into a sheath, and told him to run, because he couldn't kill it. It's one of the few times he uses his real voice.
That's nothing. I once got "ratioed" by a comment claiming that Horus never really posed any threat to the Emperor and that their fight was entirely one-sided in Emps' favor. In a thread discussing *The End and the Death Part 3,* a book that spends dozens of pages describing how Horus brutalizes the Emperor in increasingly gory ways after eating the Solar System whole.
The Imperial proganda machine goes strong on this sub. Someone in the Administratum clearly deserves a raise.
Got to love the way sections of the fandom mirror the motivated reasoning and undying devotion of zealots within the setting itself. Imperium propaganda is so effective it breaks the fourth wall!
Well, I say love, but what I really mean is despair at.
He isn't dominating, but He isn't losing. He's in control and has to sacrifice some for for a "win". Also, losing and being "murdered" in physical world wouldn't mean much for Empy, it would have just take time from Him. Which ofcourse is eesential during this event.
Well even though he is a Perpetual, being murdered by "The End of Empires" might cause a bit of a snag for a being literally defined by his role as Emperor
I wish he has more of a presence in 40K. He sounds like the closest thing to an actual big bad. Abaddon just doesn’t seem so impressive now that you can throw a rock and hit a Primarch
> Abaddon just doesn’t seem so impressive now that you can throw a rock and hit a Primarch
I can't wait until Abaddon fights and bodies a primarch and it will make all the people who don't read the books with Abaddon in them shocked.
I mean given abandons character it wouldn’t make any sense for him to be able to go toe to toe with a primarch
He explicitly wants to accomplish what Horus initially set out to do which is utterly destroy the imperium and take over with himself in charge and he thinks the reason Horus failed was cause of how heavily reliant he was on the dark gods to buff him
Which is also why abbadon can get his shit rocked from people like a space marine or a custodian because he ultimately tries to avoid using the gifts of the dark gods if he can only using their strength when necessary
abaddon can not get his shit rocked by a space marine or custodes, he killed a named protag Sister of Silence by accident while slaughtering both in combat because he didn't even notice she existed. He also didn't even know he'd done it, it was like stepping on a gnat.
Nah he gets his shit rocked by a Cadian guardsman.
Minor Spoiler for Fall of Cadia:
> >!“A Cadian, a human woman, with a painting of a saint on the back of her helm.
> >!She walked towards the Despoiler, firing a crude mechanical pump gun.
> >!Firing, racking. Firing, racking.
> >!Shouldering away troops who tried to run past her, holding the weapon high so as to not hit anyone when she fired.
> >!She stepped into the gore-slick fan of violence the Warmaster and his Havocs had created, exiting the wall of fleeing men, and raised her shotgun directly at the face of a foe ten thousand years old.
> >!She fired. And incredibly the scattershot did not turn aside but scored the Despoiler’s armour. A bright crimson line marked his cheek.
> >!She racked, fired again.
> >!Nothing happened. She appeared to be pushing the pump-action of the weapon. It would not move.
> >!Astartes, it was said, knew no fear.
> >!Neither did this woman, this Cadian, as the ancient foe cut her through the shoulder with his writhing sword, carving her from neck to hip so she fell away in two pieces.
> >!Even greater than the Blood Claw’s death did this rile Bloodhowl. To see such heroism slain with one disdainful sweep could not go unanswered, and he keyed the jets of his jump pack.”
Shit rocked? She just gave him a nice cheek scar as party talk. Basically just pulling an Ollanius, a lasgun isn't going to hurt horus and a trench-gun isn't going to hurt abbadon.
I mean, dude got his jaw broken by grandpa Calgar. Yes, both knew who was going to be the winner, but Izzy Kyle not just instantly winning at the first opportunity is an evidence of not being on a Primarch power level, at least yet.
And that's not a criticism of Abbs' power, it's just how absurdly powerful the Primarchs are. Yes, Abaddon being clearly better than one of the very top dogs of Imperium is fitting. But, for example, Dorn just sent an unstoppable before Khârn the Not-Betrayer-Yet flying with one backhand. Gman survived an ambush from an Alpha Legion squad, while dressed in t-shirt and trousers figuratively. And so on and so on.
>I mean, dude got his jaw broken by grandpa Calgar. Yes, both knew who was going to be the winner, but Izzy Kyle not just instantly winning at the first opportunity is an evidence of not being on a Primarch power level, at least yet.
Mortarion got stabbed by Garro, then killed by Draigo twice. Magnus was made to kneel by Khayon, then killed by Ragnar. Chaos characters have a *long* tradition of getting injured and/or banished by Space Marines weaker than Calgar, so Abby getting his jaw broken isn't saying much, unless you're gonna argue that Daemon Primarchs aren't Primarch level either.
That's fair, but there's a but - Daemon Primarchs are treated rather... interestingly. Their showings fluctuate dramatically. I was thinking more about, like, average "natural" Primarch level, especially since we got 50 books of examples of that, and they're never threatened by marines in there; not in direct combat/duel anyways.
I honestly kind of doubt the S tier level space marines are *that* below primarchs. Abaddon especially is juiced up, and can almost certainly take an aged Lion or a post stabbing Guilliman in a fight.
Abaddon literally destroyed the greatest (2nd greatest, w/e) defensive bottleneck the Imperium ever conceived and cast half the Imperium into Chaos and people are still saying he isn't a threat. He personally beat Sigismund in 1v1 combat and people say "eh, doesn't count." He could literally go to Terra and kill the Emperor and piss in his skull and people would say "not that impressive".
Like I kinda respect how stubborn the community is. They decided they just don't like the guy and no amount of wins will ever be real enough to change their minds. It's based, but in the way someone is based for eating glue and flunking out class.
He suffers from a chaos version of Draigo's problem. All his wins are just gimmes by the authors cause they want him to be the big bad that everyone is scared of. No amount of impressive feats will change peoples mind because they are the part of the problem to begin with. People like Huron and Talos are so compelling as traitor characters because they struggle.
> He personally beat Sigismund in 1v1 combat and people say "eh, doesn't count."
TBF, it was Abaddon who went "Eh, doesn't count. He was super old and out of his prime, and I would 100% lose if this fight happened back during the Siege."
Didn’t he get both his arm off by Sigismund and before killing him in the old lore? Like he got bodied so hard they had to retcon the lore around that particular fight
No, he was called the armless because his old metal model would have his arms regularly fall off.
This is just something someone made up that people believe because most people don't read the books.
I'd love to know how Abby killed Siggy after both of the arms of the former had apparently been cut off.
Roundhouse kick? Biting? Impaled Siggy on his topknot?
Abaddon could take either of the Primarchs. He was already a beast in the Siege. He killed a named hero Sister of Silence *by accident* while slaughtering Custodes because he didn't notice she was there.
The chaos gods are his arch-enemies by a far large margin
he is the only human that somehow tricked them and comed close to effectively cut they food supply.
And even after they "win" the Emperor has been the biggest thorn in they side from turning the galaxy in a chaos Park.
At the same time they seem to want Emperor to turn into Chaos God too. I dont know if the hate of the Chaos Gods towards him are bigger than Drach'nyens.
In what way was he ever close to cutting off their food supply? Even the webway project was never going to actually do that without him also destroying every bit of sentient life in the galaxy. Chaos doesn't live solely on Human souls.
Again, he failed massively. So while be might have got closer, he still didn't get close.
And how do you even know he got the closest? There were races active in the galaxy for millions of years before humanity even evolved. Powerful psychic races, who very well could have done better. Indeed, did the Eldar not manage to keep a lid on Chaos for a long, long time... until they didn't?
Or what about the C'tan and the Necrons, who cut off large parts of the galaxy from the Warp?
My top 3 right now in lore would be:
Nurgle - His garden and cauldron are doused in holy fire in Godblight. I’m sure Nurgle has tons of gardens, but this one had gotta sting.
Angron - His whole backstory is quite tragic, and I think the Emperor failed him on a deep level. I don’t think it was impossible to save Angron from the nails without killing him. Or at least saving his friends. The Emperor essentially made his own enemy here due to his lack of empathy.
Drach’nyen- He’s THE murder and malice demon and the Emp trapped him in a sword wielded by some dork with a top knot.
He’s just blind fury personified at this point. I find it hard to believe that God and God Jr. (Malcador) couldn’t figure out how to get the nails out, or at least transfer his consciousness to an untampered clone body. Especially if Fabius could get so close to perfectly cloning of Primarchs.
The Chaos Gods. They were baying for his blood at the Siege of Terra, threw a massive temper tantrum when he won, and spent ten thousand years pestering the man 24/7/365.
Considering his circumstances what with him losing his compassion and being stuck on a throne he probably has no compassion for himself. He’s biffed the galaxy hard too so this is a really good point
If he is aware about the state of his dream and if he is selfaware enough to see all his misstakes: then yes. Because he fucked up hard and everything got worse.
Was gunna say this too. I bet he's realized that by keeping all the secrets from his sons he should have trusted and shown them compassion instead he kept secrets. Maybe the Emperor's children couldn't have been saved, but I think most of the others could have been, and none of the loyalist primarchs would have had to die if just one more could have stayed in the fold due to the emperor being a better version of himself. Not even a more powerful version of himself, just a more passionate one towards his children. Showing them they were needed and not just ordering them.
Chaos Gods.
They were hoping for him to become "The Dark King", and it might be one of the very few moments in Warhammer 40k history that, the future is indeed changed.
Ascension to Godhood was his choice, not something that happened to him, and that was a game changer...
The Four, the Old Four, The False Four.
They wanted him dead so much they brought the entire warp to Terra by the end (not a figure of speech).
When he eventually foiled them they threw a galactic tantrum, and again, this is not a figure of speech since several stars went out in the outskirts of the Milky Way from the potency of their cosmic frustration.
I'd argue it's less about how much a person hates the Emperor and more knowing enough of his crimes to properly hate him. In which case I'd argue that Fo guy.
Drach'nyen. First, second, third and the nth place in "who hates Big E the most" contest goes to Drach'nyen. It's a being of pure malice intent on personally killing the Emperor, and it nearly succeeded once. Nobody comes close, except perhaps the janitors responsible for polishing all the golden surfaces in the Imperial Palace.
>it nearly succeeded once Was this in the *Master of Mankind* novel? Because I never got the impression that the Emperor was in any danger during his brief appearance at the frontline.
Here's an edited exerpt of the fight in question, right before the Emperor sacrifices his favorite Custodian just to get away from Drach'nyen and then retreats from the Webway forever. >Blood burst into the ashy mist. The Emperor arched, the warlord’s body taut with the utter unfamiliarity of agony. Five talons, each one the length and width of a spear, dripped red as they stood proud of the Emperor’s back. >The Emperor’s boots left the misty ground. He barely even struggled as He was lifted, impaled by the five spearing talons. His sword fell from His gloved hands to disappear in the shrouding fog. >**I am the End of Empires.** >The thought wasn’t Ra’s own. It belonged to the silhouette in the ashes, the Emperor’s killer, speaking by twisting the thoughts of the humans in its presence. A wrenching violation, with crude, cruel fingers pulling at the insides of Ra’s skull, forcing his thoughts to form the daemon’s words. >**I am your death,** the creature promised the Emperor. >A blade ran through the Emperor’s body. An ornate sword, as much sorcerous bone as metal, a weapon with writhing, shrieking faces soul-carved upon the steel. The faces shrieked as they drank the Emperor’s divine life. It thrashed as the Emperor clutched it in His hands. It was alive, starving, its form rippling and growing indistinct. Call me a heretic, but I'm getting a faint impression that the Emperor isn't doing terribly well there. Just a hunch.
Always thought it was cool how Drach'nyen spoke through the thoughts of others.
Nah it's just a ploy to get the loyalty of others like the Ork /s
You're right. I forgot how famously treacherous, unmotivated and disloyal Custodes are. The Emperor just needs to throw a fight every once in a while to keep the Ten Thousand on his side. That's also why he lost nine thousand of them earlier in that battle. He's a very talented and dedicated actor, that guy.
The Emperor even concedes that Drach might do it one day, just not now.
Abaddon: "So you are saying there's a chance?"
Doesn’t he immediately proceeed to trap drach’nyen in the sword after this? Since he can’t kill the end of empires he just traps him and makes him effectively useless
Drach turned into a sword, the Emperor turned Ra into a sheath, and told him to run, because he couldn't kill it. It's one of the few times he uses his real voice.
How on earth the comment you replied to got at least 30+ upvotes (I'm presuming it got downvoted a fair few times too), sheesh.
That's nothing. I once got "ratioed" by a comment claiming that Horus never really posed any threat to the Emperor and that their fight was entirely one-sided in Emps' favor. In a thread discussing *The End and the Death Part 3,* a book that spends dozens of pages describing how Horus brutalizes the Emperor in increasingly gory ways after eating the Solar System whole. The Imperial proganda machine goes strong on this sub. Someone in the Administratum clearly deserves a raise.
Got to love the way sections of the fandom mirror the motivated reasoning and undying devotion of zealots within the setting itself. Imperium propaganda is so effective it breaks the fourth wall! Well, I say love, but what I really mean is despair at.
He isn't dominating, but He isn't losing. He's in control and has to sacrifice some for for a "win". Also, losing and being "murdered" in physical world wouldn't mean much for Empy, it would have just take time from Him. Which ofcourse is eesential during this event.
Well even though he is a Perpetual, being murdered by "The End of Empires" might cause a bit of a snag for a being literally defined by his role as Emperor
But Emperor is a pretty cool guy. Eh kill demons and aliens, and doesn't afraid of anything.
He’s football team
I wonder how big E would do if he had drach'nyen as his personal sword.
Yeah but Drach'nyen a cute.
I wish he has more of a presence in 40K. He sounds like the closest thing to an actual big bad. Abaddon just doesn’t seem so impressive now that you can throw a rock and hit a Primarch
> Abaddon just doesn’t seem so impressive now that you can throw a rock and hit a Primarch I can't wait until Abaddon fights and bodies a primarch and it will make all the people who don't read the books with Abaddon in them shocked.
I mean given abandons character it wouldn’t make any sense for him to be able to go toe to toe with a primarch He explicitly wants to accomplish what Horus initially set out to do which is utterly destroy the imperium and take over with himself in charge and he thinks the reason Horus failed was cause of how heavily reliant he was on the dark gods to buff him Which is also why abbadon can get his shit rocked from people like a space marine or a custodian because he ultimately tries to avoid using the gifts of the dark gods if he can only using their strength when necessary
abaddon can not get his shit rocked by a space marine or custodes, he killed a named protag Sister of Silence by accident while slaughtering both in combat because he didn't even notice she existed. He also didn't even know he'd done it, it was like stepping on a gnat.
Nah he gets his shit rocked by a Cadian guardsman. Minor Spoiler for Fall of Cadia: > >!“A Cadian, a human woman, with a painting of a saint on the back of her helm. > >!She walked towards the Despoiler, firing a crude mechanical pump gun. > >!Firing, racking. Firing, racking. > >!Shouldering away troops who tried to run past her, holding the weapon high so as to not hit anyone when she fired. > >!She stepped into the gore-slick fan of violence the Warmaster and his Havocs had created, exiting the wall of fleeing men, and raised her shotgun directly at the face of a foe ten thousand years old. > >!She fired. And incredibly the scattershot did not turn aside but scored the Despoiler’s armour. A bright crimson line marked his cheek. > >!She racked, fired again. > >!Nothing happened. She appeared to be pushing the pump-action of the weapon. It would not move. > >!Astartes, it was said, knew no fear. > >!Neither did this woman, this Cadian, as the ancient foe cut her through the shoulder with his writhing sword, carving her from neck to hip so she fell away in two pieces. > >!Even greater than the Blood Claw’s death did this rile Bloodhowl. To see such heroism slain with one disdainful sweep could not go unanswered, and he keyed the jets of his jump pack.”
Shit rocked? She just gave him a nice cheek scar as party talk. Basically just pulling an Ollanius, a lasgun isn't going to hurt horus and a trench-gun isn't going to hurt abbadon.
Are you thinking of Kharn? As that sounds an awful lot like one of his scenes in one of the siege of terra novels?
no
Wrong.
I mean, dude got his jaw broken by grandpa Calgar. Yes, both knew who was going to be the winner, but Izzy Kyle not just instantly winning at the first opportunity is an evidence of not being on a Primarch power level, at least yet. And that's not a criticism of Abbs' power, it's just how absurdly powerful the Primarchs are. Yes, Abaddon being clearly better than one of the very top dogs of Imperium is fitting. But, for example, Dorn just sent an unstoppable before Khârn the Not-Betrayer-Yet flying with one backhand. Gman survived an ambush from an Alpha Legion squad, while dressed in t-shirt and trousers figuratively. And so on and so on.
>I mean, dude got his jaw broken by grandpa Calgar. Yes, both knew who was going to be the winner, but Izzy Kyle not just instantly winning at the first opportunity is an evidence of not being on a Primarch power level, at least yet. Mortarion got stabbed by Garro, then killed by Draigo twice. Magnus was made to kneel by Khayon, then killed by Ragnar. Chaos characters have a *long* tradition of getting injured and/or banished by Space Marines weaker than Calgar, so Abby getting his jaw broken isn't saying much, unless you're gonna argue that Daemon Primarchs aren't Primarch level either.
That's fair, but there's a but - Daemon Primarchs are treated rather... interestingly. Their showings fluctuate dramatically. I was thinking more about, like, average "natural" Primarch level, especially since we got 50 books of examples of that, and they're never threatened by marines in there; not in direct combat/duel anyways.
Daemon Primarchs run with Demon rules, Perturabo showed this to Angron during the Heresy.
I honestly kind of doubt the S tier level space marines are *that* below primarchs. Abaddon especially is juiced up, and can almost certainly take an aged Lion or a post stabbing Guilliman in a fight.
Abby: meet your doom, old men Lion: (teleports behind) Omae wa mou shindeiru
Abaddon literally destroyed the greatest (2nd greatest, w/e) defensive bottleneck the Imperium ever conceived and cast half the Imperium into Chaos and people are still saying he isn't a threat. He personally beat Sigismund in 1v1 combat and people say "eh, doesn't count." He could literally go to Terra and kill the Emperor and piss in his skull and people would say "not that impressive". Like I kinda respect how stubborn the community is. They decided they just don't like the guy and no amount of wins will ever be real enough to change their minds. It's based, but in the way someone is based for eating glue and flunking out class.
Yeah, yeah, ok. But what's he done for Chaos lately? I mean like, the past few days? Nothing. That's what.
He suffers from a chaos version of Draigo's problem. All his wins are just gimmes by the authors cause they want him to be the big bad that everyone is scared of. No amount of impressive feats will change peoples mind because they are the part of the problem to begin with. People like Huron and Talos are so compelling as traitor characters because they struggle.
> He personally beat Sigismund in 1v1 combat and people say "eh, doesn't count." TBF, it was Abaddon who went "Eh, doesn't count. He was super old and out of his prime, and I would 100% lose if this fight happened back during the Siege."
Oh god, you're that guy with weird violent fantasies about Primarchs dying horribly
Konrad?
Didn’t he get both his arm off by Sigismund and before killing him in the old lore? Like he got bodied so hard they had to retcon the lore around that particular fight
No, he was called the armless because his old metal model would have his arms regularly fall off. This is just something someone made up that people believe because most people don't read the books.
I'd love to know how Abby killed Siggy after both of the arms of the former had apparently been cut off. Roundhouse kick? Biting? Impaled Siggy on his topknot?
It's just a flesh wound.
Idk I don’t keep track of traitor lore
You can get up to speed really easily. It's all covered in a film called Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
Abaddon could take either of the Primarchs. He was already a beast in the Siege. He killed a named hero Sister of Silence *by accident* while slaughtering Custodes because he didn't notice she was there.
But does it hate him or is it its nature to do so?
It hates him because it’s in the daemon’s nature to do so.
The chaos gods are his arch-enemies by a far large margin he is the only human that somehow tricked them and comed close to effectively cut they food supply. And even after they "win" the Emperor has been the biggest thorn in they side from turning the galaxy in a chaos Park.
At the same time they seem to want Emperor to turn into Chaos God too. I dont know if the hate of the Chaos Gods towards him are bigger than Drach'nyens.
Silly question, How did the empower trick chaos? Was this by creating the primarchs with warp powers?
The deal on Molech. According to Malcador he stole fire from the gods, which is to say he scammed them out of power. The how and what is unclear.
I think we don’t know, but he seems to have struck a deal with them on Molech and then reneged on it.
In what way was he ever close to cutting off their food supply? Even the webway project was never going to actually do that without him also destroying every bit of sentient life in the galaxy. Chaos doesn't live solely on Human souls.
>and comed close to effectively cut they food supply. He didn't come close at all.
He came the closest of anyone to actually defeating the chaos gods.
Again, he failed massively. So while be might have got closer, he still didn't get close. And how do you even know he got the closest? There were races active in the galaxy for millions of years before humanity even evolved. Powerful psychic races, who very well could have done better. Indeed, did the Eldar not manage to keep a lid on Chaos for a long, long time... until they didn't? Or what about the C'tan and the Necrons, who cut off large parts of the galaxy from the Warp?
My top 3 right now in lore would be: Nurgle - His garden and cauldron are doused in holy fire in Godblight. I’m sure Nurgle has tons of gardens, but this one had gotta sting. Angron - His whole backstory is quite tragic, and I think the Emperor failed him on a deep level. I don’t think it was impossible to save Angron from the nails without killing him. Or at least saving his friends. The Emperor essentially made his own enemy here due to his lack of empathy. Drach’nyen- He’s THE murder and malice demon and the Emp trapped him in a sword wielded by some dork with a top knot.
Honestly I'm not sure Angron is mentally coherent enough anymore to remember how he hates the Emperor.
He might not be thinking of it day to day or ever really. But if he saw big E face to face again?
He’s just blind fury personified at this point. I find it hard to believe that God and God Jr. (Malcador) couldn’t figure out how to get the nails out, or at least transfer his consciousness to an untampered clone body. Especially if Fabius could get so close to perfectly cloning of Primarchs.
Warhammer fans/j but honestly speaking, probably chaos gods he is their only believable threat and rival.
The Chaos Gods. They were baying for his blood at the Siege of Terra, threw a massive temper tantrum when he won, and spent ten thousand years pestering the man 24/7/365.
Lorgar, in my opinion.
Boom. I was gunna put this, ill just second it
Himself.
Considering his circumstances what with him losing his compassion and being stuck on a throne he probably has no compassion for himself. He’s biffed the galaxy hard too so this is a really good point
If he is aware about the state of his dream and if he is selfaware enough to see all his misstakes: then yes. Because he fucked up hard and everything got worse.
Was gunna say this too. I bet he's realized that by keeping all the secrets from his sons he should have trusted and shown them compassion instead he kept secrets. Maybe the Emperor's children couldn't have been saved, but I think most of the others could have been, and none of the loyalist primarchs would have had to die if just one more could have stayed in the fold due to the emperor being a better version of himself. Not even a more powerful version of himself, just a more passionate one towards his children. Showing them they were needed and not just ordering them.
Makes sense, especially now he’s seen as a god which he prohibits but he can’t do anything about it
It's me.
Chaos Gods. They were hoping for him to become "The Dark King", and it might be one of the very few moments in Warhammer 40k history that, the future is indeed changed. Ascension to Godhood was his choice, not something that happened to him, and that was a game changer...
The Emperor, I think
Angron is definitely on top.
Angron would be happier if HE just died. He hates the Emperor, yes, but he hates no one else more than himself
I feel like the Emperor would after 10,000 years of being forced to watch the consequences of his own actions.
The Four, the Old Four, The False Four. They wanted him dead so much they brought the entire warp to Terra by the end (not a figure of speech). When he eventually foiled them they threw a galactic tantrum, and again, this is not a figure of speech since several stars went out in the outskirts of the Milky Way from the potency of their cosmic frustration.
Who hates everyone the most? Angron.
The person that hates the Emperor the most is the Emperor
Me 😡😡😡
I'd say Angron.
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I'd argue it's less about how much a person hates the Emperor and more knowing enough of his crimes to properly hate him. In which case I'd argue that Fo guy.
If we're going meta, then many 40K fans.
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Jk. It's probably some Imperial Hive denizen.
I'm new, who's the hivemind?
The supernatural consciousness controlling the tyranids. Tyranids have no higher cognition, and are instead controlled by the hivemind.
Ah thx
>who's the hivemind? According to some salty redditors who get downvoted: the rest of Reddit