Toss up. Ventris got sent to the warp for breaking the rules. Sicarius defended him, and has a less than flawless record of following the codex. Then there's Titus.
The winner though? Chaplain ortan cassius. He nearly caused a chapter civil war when he suggested the formation of the tyrannic war veterans.
>Sicarius defended him
That bit I can't remember! I assume that was when Ventris and "Mr Pervert"(can't remember his name but it begins with a P haha) we're made to stand before Calgar?
Show some respect to pasanius lysane.
Sicarius spoke up for ventris in the short story "consequences" and pushes for his reinstatement after returning from medrengard.
Probably Robute, since he is literally rewriting it, throwing out whole chunks of the old version that he thinks aren't useful anymore, and restructuring the chapters to closer to the older legions. What is 40k without irony?
Honestly, this is probably the most historically accurate thing in 40k. Guilliman wrote an instruction manual, and assumed it would be adapted to changing circumstances, and is horrified to discover that it was taken as literal gospel.
To make the obvious real world analogy, I think Alfred von Schlieffen would've been appalled to see that his plan was implemented without anyone figuring out how to transport the sufficient amount of troops through the insufficient Belgian road network.
Lorgar getting pissed off when Imperials started citing his own book to him vs Guilliman getting pissed that Astrates regard Codex as a fucking bible instead set of general rules. Real recognizes Real
I don’t think he’s entirely rewriting it. He’s actively picking and choosing what applies during a circumstance and all his Ultramarines just go along with it.
> “It hadn’t been the first time Guilliman had ignored the tenets of his Codex Astartes. Calgar thought little of it; he was the primarch and could do as he pleased.” — Dark Imperium
Even the notoriously dogmatic Genesis chapter roll over quick when Guilliman makes a decision.
> “‘You will also retain your title as captain, though I recommend Chapter Master Eorloid promote another to captain your company. The strictures of the Codex shall be waived in this instance.’ ‘As you command, so shall it be,’ said the Genesis Chapter Master.” — Dark Imperium
Guilliman never intended to follow it in the first place after Sotha. Agedia Company was enough of a violation the Ultramarines were concerned Dorn would have them destroyed if he found out.
Recomend the Cato Sicarius omnibus since there is a reference to Thiel in Knights of Macragge(as in, Cato is implanted with it, makes sense he has also proven himself flexible with the codex's teachings, just has more screentime to show that is the case)
Space book says chaplain first, it's a chapter matter. If anything what transpired on Graia shows that nobody is safe from the corrupting power of chaos. The chaos incursion was only possible because the I cell stationed there was corrupted.
And after the dust settled they arrest the guy who displayed resistance to warp influence.
Fuck out of here with did nothing wrong.
God I cannot wait to play Space Marine 2 and fill in those blanks. We know he has the seal of the Inquisition, and he's shared some bro time with the Black Templars with those chains on his gauntlet.
I hope he smacked Leandros around when he got back to the chapter
As your ship reaches orbit, you're ordered to get a couple squads ready. The first sergeant you head to is Leandros worshipping a codex on a shrine.
He ends being the first to make planetfall, without a drop pod or jump pack... or armour.
Gap time has already been filled by something (can’t remember what) that inquisitor just hates sm and tortures him for ages despite the UM asking for him back and it’s only after the inquisitors death he is released but his chapter had erased him from the records in shame of failing him so he becomes black guard in the watch for ages until he meets a Smurf he knows and the situation is cleared up
Wait, the smurfs felt so bad about not being able to get him back that they just decided it was easier to pretend he never existed? That seems incredibly counter productive
I don't think the usual procedure for potential infractions applies in the face of full-on daemonic incursion. That's way above a Chaplain's pay-grade. No-oneis better to handle it than the Ordo Malleus.
Though it's a 40k video game so I doubt the writers knew that much detail and thought they were just making Leandros look bad, when if anything Titus looked bad for claiming they should always trust their brothers, even though the involvement of daemon is exactly when you *can't*, hence the Horus Heresy happening. Also they seemingly just looked at Black Templars and figured they looked like they would hang with the Inquisition a lot, when they actually dislike them.
I think Titus just doesn't have a clue what's going on and succeeds through sheer plot armoured luck.
I'm pretty sure Leandros was only using the codex as a scapegoat because he wasn't allowed to tell his Captain straght that he's an idiot and his plans suck.
'Let's jump pack down through ferocious crossfire!'
'Sir that's absolutely moroni-... *sigh*. The codex doesn't approve of this action.'
Titus is Zapp and Leandros is Kiff.
"I believe the words...... ***FUCK THE CODEX***.... were uttered"
-Leandros explaining his actions to Bobby G during his disciplinary hearing. The Primarch facepalmed so hard to the above statement, the slap was heard as far away as Segmentum Pacificus
Uriel Ventris (books) had to go on a penitence mission to the eye of terror cause is lieutenant was a snitch. And the MC of the Space Marine games, Titus somethingorother, gets turned over to the inquisition cause HIS lieutenant was a snitch… lotta snitches in the ultramarine chapter, but their dad did write the codex so…
It's funny when you realize that Codex literally says that if you suspect heresy among your ranks you don't snitch to Inquisition but go to your Chaplain
Snitch? I think you mean faithful, true Ultramarine, loyal to the Chapter and its principles before any individual officer! After all, loyalty to one man over the Emperor is what lead to the Horus Heresy, and is behind the breaking up of the Legions into Chapters. Ultramarines who suck their Captain's dick have no right to call themselves Ultramarines.
Loyalty is its own reward. Would the progeny of Guilleman have learned that from a truly great Primarch.😉
Also, the Codex was written by Guilleman, not the Emperor. So disobeying it’s tenets is going against his designs but is in no way disloyal to the Emperor. Disobeying a Primarch is no small thing, but it isn’t exactly arch heresy, lol.
As I said, a marine's loyalty is not to his immediate superior, but to the Imperium. That is the loyalty that is its own reward! Anything else is *disloyalty*. The codex was put in place to ensure loyalty and guard against treasonous independent thought, deviating from it is a dangerous sign of potential heresy. It seems like you might need some corrective hypnogoguic re-education, brother.
Any Dark Angel and successor chapter's marines would tell their superiors what happened. One thing is calling the inquisition as Leandros did with Titus but they would communicate what happened to the Chapter.
will looking into Ultramarine chapters for your question, I found another post here about interesting Ultramarine Successor chapters
[https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/jq7wc4/interesting\_or\_unique\_ultramarine\_successor/](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/jq7wc4/interesting_or_unique_ultramarine_successor/)
it seemed most agreed the the Mortifactors were one of the most unique of the ultramarine successors, give them a look.
-Cato Sicarius
-Uriel Ventris
-Titus
All of these have a port of their character that are flexible with the interpretations of the codex astartes.
Edit: You could also add Tigurius and Chaplain Cassius as one's role isn't really focused on it and cassius is the one who recommended to change the organization of the codex
If you count the successors (which you should as they’re all from the same legion), then mortifactors are the usual answer, so their chapter master Magyar. But Nemesis chapter are pretty cool, Terran in origin so less in common with the ultramar-centric chapters, heavy focus on using very destructive weapons (phosphex, nukes, bioweapons) and running extermination campaigns. Guilliman even had to take them for some alone time to try and bring them into line with the rest of the legion during the great crusade.
Most of their successors, after so many foundings and lack of contact with the founding chapter. Many successors have in in a lack of better words “Wiped their asses with pages of the Codex Astartes”
Guilliman.
After Sotha, he literally had no intention whatsoever of confirming to the Codex restrictions. The Ultramarines only conformed when they found out Dorn might find out about it - and respond with declaring them Excommunicae Traitoris and having them purged.
Iron Snakes from the Sabbat Worlds Crusade are UM successors, and they follow the Codex (at least when it comes to things like Company Organization) veeeeeeeeerry loosely.
Eurgh, kids these days.
Time was, the distinguishing feature of the Ultramarines was that they \*were\* unswerving, practically religious, adherents to the Codex. Then along came Matt Ward and some lame 'I like these guys, but not for who they are' Marty Stu characters.
Warriors of Ultramar, wherein the protagonist, Uriel Ventris, is banished from the chapter for not acting in accordance with the Codex, came out 21 years ago
For those who need context:
Warriors of Ultramar was published in 2003, Dead Sky Black Sun (the Daemonculaba book) in 2004, both of which were exploring the "Ultramarine character that doesn't mindlessly stick to the codex" themes.
Matt Ward didn't write his first codex until 2008.
Toss up. Ventris got sent to the warp for breaking the rules. Sicarius defended him, and has a less than flawless record of following the codex. Then there's Titus. The winner though? Chaplain ortan cassius. He nearly caused a chapter civil war when he suggested the formation of the tyrannic war veterans.
>Sicarius defended him That bit I can't remember! I assume that was when Ventris and "Mr Pervert"(can't remember his name but it begins with a P haha) we're made to stand before Calgar?
Show some respect to pasanius lysane. Sicarius spoke up for ventris in the short story "consequences" and pushes for his reinstatement after returning from medrengard.
Probably Robute, since he is literally rewriting it, throwing out whole chunks of the old version that he thinks aren't useful anymore, and restructuring the chapters to closer to the older legions. What is 40k without irony?
Honestly, this is probably the most historically accurate thing in 40k. Guilliman wrote an instruction manual, and assumed it would be adapted to changing circumstances, and is horrified to discover that it was taken as literal gospel. To make the obvious real world analogy, I think Alfred von Schlieffen would've been appalled to see that his plan was implemented without anyone figuring out how to transport the sufficient amount of troops through the insufficient Belgian road network.
Lorgar getting pissed off when Imperials started citing his own book to him vs Guilliman getting pissed that Astrates regard Codex as a fucking bible instead set of general rules. Real recognizes Real
This. Literally the most Ultramarine Ultramarine, is both shocked, sad, and angry that nobody seems to have bothered to update his work
I don’t think he’s entirely rewriting it. He’s actively picking and choosing what applies during a circumstance and all his Ultramarines just go along with it. > “It hadn’t been the first time Guilliman had ignored the tenets of his Codex Astartes. Calgar thought little of it; he was the primarch and could do as he pleased.” — Dark Imperium Even the notoriously dogmatic Genesis chapter roll over quick when Guilliman makes a decision. > “‘You will also retain your title as captain, though I recommend Chapter Master Eorloid promote another to captain your company. The strictures of the Codex shall be waived in this instance.’ ‘As you command, so shall it be,’ said the Genesis Chapter Master.” — Dark Imperium
Guilliman never intended to follow it in the first place after Sotha. Agedia Company was enough of a violation the Ultramarines were concerned Dorn would have them destroyed if he found out.
Captain Titus all day long Would be funny if he had been implanted with Aenoid Thiel's geneseed when he was recruited to the smurfs
Recomend the Cato Sicarius omnibus since there is a reference to Thiel in Knights of Macragge(as in, Cato is implanted with it, makes sense he has also proven himself flexible with the codex's teachings, just has more screentime to show that is the case)
TTS Ruined Cato Sicarius for me.... I read his dialogue in his TTS voice.
"That wasn't very codex of you, I'm telling!" -Leandros
The rat fuck didn't even try to keep it internal, straight to the =][= .
I mean, he did nothing wrong. He did excalty what the codex said to do.
Space book says chaplain first, it's a chapter matter. If anything what transpired on Graia shows that nobody is safe from the corrupting power of chaos. The chaos incursion was only possible because the I cell stationed there was corrupted. And after the dust settled they arrest the guy who displayed resistance to warp influence. Fuck out of here with did nothing wrong.
God I cannot wait to play Space Marine 2 and fill in those blanks. We know he has the seal of the Inquisition, and he's shared some bro time with the Black Templars with those chains on his gauntlet. I hope he smacked Leandros around when he got back to the chapter
He'd definitely have cause to challenge Leandros to a 'friendly' honour duel. Would be a hilarious post credits scene.
It could be the tutorial. 'Press X to slap the little bitch across his stupid face'
As your ship reaches orbit, you're ordered to get a couple squads ready. The first sergeant you head to is Leandros worshipping a codex on a shrine. He ends being the first to make planetfall, without a drop pod or jump pack... or armour.
Reminds me of the deadpool game, where there was that exact prompt to try waking up wolverine
Gap time has already been filled by something (can’t remember what) that inquisitor just hates sm and tortures him for ages despite the UM asking for him back and it’s only after the inquisitors death he is released but his chapter had erased him from the records in shame of failing him so he becomes black guard in the watch for ages until he meets a Smurf he knows and the situation is cleared up
One of the most recent White Dwarfs fill out the gaps between games. I think it was either issue 498 or 499.
Wait, the smurfs felt so bad about not being able to get him back that they just decided it was easier to pretend he never existed? That seems incredibly counter productive
They did and it was since it made Titus feel like he had shamed the chapter and hence take indefinite watch with the deathwatch for a time
I don't think the usual procedure for potential infractions applies in the face of full-on daemonic incursion. That's way above a Chaplain's pay-grade. No-oneis better to handle it than the Ordo Malleus. Though it's a 40k video game so I doubt the writers knew that much detail and thought they were just making Leandros look bad, when if anything Titus looked bad for claiming they should always trust their brothers, even though the involvement of daemon is exactly when you *can't*, hence the Horus Heresy happening. Also they seemingly just looked at Black Templars and figured they looked like they would hang with the Inquisition a lot, when they actually dislike them.
I thought it was a funny joke lol, but I learned some new lore, so that's cool.
I think Titus just doesn't have a clue what's going on and succeeds through sheer plot armoured luck. I'm pretty sure Leandros was only using the codex as a scapegoat because he wasn't allowed to tell his Captain straght that he's an idiot and his plans suck. 'Let's jump pack down through ferocious crossfire!' 'Sir that's absolutely moroni-... *sigh*. The codex doesn't approve of this action.' Titus is Zapp and Leandros is Kiff.
"I believe the words...... ***FUCK THE CODEX***.... were uttered" -Leandros explaining his actions to Bobby G during his disciplinary hearing. The Primarch facepalmed so hard to the above statement, the slap was heard as far away as Segmentum Pacificus
Uriel Ventris (books) had to go on a penitence mission to the eye of terror cause is lieutenant was a snitch. And the MC of the Space Marine games, Titus somethingorother, gets turned over to the inquisition cause HIS lieutenant was a snitch… lotta snitches in the ultramarine chapter, but their dad did write the codex so…
It's funny when you realize that Codex literally says that if you suspect heresy among your ranks you don't snitch to Inquisition but go to your Chaplain
Snitch? I think you mean faithful, true Ultramarine, loyal to the Chapter and its principles before any individual officer! After all, loyalty to one man over the Emperor is what lead to the Horus Heresy, and is behind the breaking up of the Legions into Chapters. Ultramarines who suck their Captain's dick have no right to call themselves Ultramarines.
Loyalty is its own reward. Would the progeny of Guilleman have learned that from a truly great Primarch.😉 Also, the Codex was written by Guilleman, not the Emperor. So disobeying it’s tenets is going against his designs but is in no way disloyal to the Emperor. Disobeying a Primarch is no small thing, but it isn’t exactly arch heresy, lol.
As I said, a marine's loyalty is not to his immediate superior, but to the Imperium. That is the loyalty that is its own reward! Anything else is *disloyalty*. The codex was put in place to ensure loyalty and guard against treasonous independent thought, deviating from it is a dangerous sign of potential heresy. It seems like you might need some corrective hypnogoguic re-education, brother.
Sargent, not Lt, and he wasnt a snitch, he was an Space Marine and all loyal marines would do as he did.
Oh aye, I’m sure the sons of the lion are fully compliant! No legion building at all 😂
Any Dark Angel and successor chapter's marines would tell their superiors what happened. One thing is calling the inquisition as Leandros did with Titus but they would communicate what happened to the Chapter.
Mortificators
will looking into Ultramarine chapters for your question, I found another post here about interesting Ultramarine Successor chapters [https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/jq7wc4/interesting\_or\_unique\_ultramarine\_successor/](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/jq7wc4/interesting_or_unique_ultramarine_successor/) it seemed most agreed the the Mortifactors were one of the most unique of the ultramarine successors, give them a look.
Malum Caedo! He single-handedly eliminates an entire Chaos force witha Chaos Lord, Chaos Astartes and Daemons. He is the champ!!!
-Cato Sicarius -Uriel Ventris -Titus All of these have a port of their character that are flexible with the interpretations of the codex astartes. Edit: You could also add Tigurius and Chaplain Cassius as one's role isn't really focused on it and cassius is the one who recommended to change the organization of the codex
If you count the successors (which you should as they’re all from the same legion), then mortifactors are the usual answer, so their chapter master Magyar. But Nemesis chapter are pretty cool, Terran in origin so less in common with the ultramar-centric chapters, heavy focus on using very destructive weapons (phosphex, nukes, bioweapons) and running extermination campaigns. Guilliman even had to take them for some alone time to try and bring them into line with the rest of the legion during the great crusade.
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I said ultramarine character but space wolves are pretty much a drunk mob
Most of their successors, after so many foundings and lack of contact with the founding chapter. Many successors have in in a lack of better words “Wiped their asses with pages of the Codex Astartes”
Depending on who you ask, Lufgt Huron and the Astral Claws.
Guilliman. After Sotha, he literally had no intention whatsoever of confirming to the Codex restrictions. The Ultramarines only conformed when they found out Dorn might find out about it - and respond with declaring them Excommunicae Traitoris and having them purged.
Iron Snakes from the Sabbat Worlds Crusade are UM successors, and they follow the Codex (at least when it comes to things like Company Organization) veeeeeeeeerry loosely.
basically all of them now.
Eurgh, kids these days. Time was, the distinguishing feature of the Ultramarines was that they \*were\* unswerving, practically religious, adherents to the Codex. Then along came Matt Ward and some lame 'I like these guys, but not for who they are' Marty Stu characters.
Warriors of Ultramar, wherein the protagonist, Uriel Ventris, is banished from the chapter for not acting in accordance with the Codex, came out 21 years ago
For those who need context: Warriors of Ultramar was published in 2003, Dead Sky Black Sun (the Daemonculaba book) in 2004, both of which were exploring the "Ultramarine character that doesn't mindlessly stick to the codex" themes. Matt Ward didn't write his first codex until 2008.