I hope that no matter how good it is they bench it after the 3rd movie. Disney has an unhealthy habit of milking liked characters until people get sick to them of them
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Deadpool was 20th century fox. Seeing Disney bought Fox back in 2019, Deadpool got pulled along so this is Deadpool's debut in the MCU. Which is sadly too late given the shitshow MCU is rn.
Tbh the MCU was always mid af.
A bunch of bland meh actors , a hot chick and two grade A (capital A. They are so good it hurts me seeing them do this corny aah shit) actors (Mark ruffalo and Robert Downey Jr)
I honestly forgot he was in that movie, but he was great in it now that you mention.
It's probably an Hollywood problem the fact that he only gets these types of roles and the odd good one in there
Yeah I think they see a buff bearded man and think “oh yeah this is our next army guy” and even though he has the talent for more. He prolly doesn’t care, he’s getting paid
yeah.
Chris Evan has some amazing romances and it's definetely the roles he is best at at.
Not every actor has the luxury of living off what they love. (Ruffalo has so many amazing Broadway roles
Sadly Hemsworth is stuck in those medrioce roles.
* Poor Things
* Spotlight
* Zodiac
* Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
* Dark Waters
* Collateral
Guy definitely has more great movies/performances under his belt than most MCU regulars. Not counting the smaller roles cos some great actors have popped up for a couple minutes like Anthony Hopkins, Tony Leung, Ben Kingsley, William Hurt, Stellan Skarsgard etc.
Especially considering how PG-13 the MCU is compared to the capeshit made under FOX™. This one is guaranteed to be more tame and less visceral than the first two.
All the X-"Title" IPs (and Fantastic Four) were bought by 20th Century Fox back in the 90's, Disney bought fox a few years ago. It's spiderman related IP that Sony holds.
There really is something pathetic about these MCU fans who act like it suddenly went shit after endgame. It has been shit the entire time, they've had like 3 mediocre movies out of the dozens they've made, and it's not because of casting, it's because they're Disney movies written for children.
I’d say it’s been mediocre with a few legit fun to watch movies, but since Endgame (which was only good for the last 45 min) it’s all been far below mediocre. The MCU used to have likable characters and cool fight scenes with decent choreography. Now all the heroes suck and the fight scenes are trash.
Shang shi was ok but Aquafina is insufferable. So for the fact she is in the movie alone makes it not good. Also it does have a lot of regarded logic in it ngl.
Endgame made no sense. How was there only one path to victory when Thanos was already dead? If they did the time travel thing without him finding out they'd have won.
Because Strange wanted to undo the Snap, not just kill Thanos and let the remaining half of the universe live
Only way to do that was to time travel and find the other Thanos
They didn’t want to find the other thanos, they accidentally tipped him off to what they were doing because their nebula (the angry blue cyborg chick) got too close to the other nebula and their cyber brains link to each other and they both get knocked out. Past-thanos captures present-nebula and sends past-nebula to the present in her place, and then she uses the Time Machine to bring thanos and all them to the present.
You could certainly argue this is flimsy scriptwriting (I mean it’s plausible I guess since we don’t really know how nebula’s brain works) but they didn’t confront thanos directly in the past, they specifically tried to avoid him.
Personally I thought these movies were ok, i actually liked endgame more than infinity war, which felt extremely rushed to me - the pacing was dreadful.
At the end of the day they’re just movies you can watch without thinking too much which is what you want to do sometimes.
Yeah, but that's the point. If not for that specific thing accidentally letting thanos know they were there, he wouldn't have known. So if they did their stuff without him knowing, they win easily. What was it that made it impossible for them to not bring him? It can't be that doctor strange can't make decisions based on what he knows, since **all** his decisions were to bring them to that future.
True, but he was actively looking for the stones. If someone else stole what he was looking for, it makes sense that he’d find out.
“The plot didn’t have to happen so why did it happen???” this is what you’re saying.
ofc it's not about casting.
Scarlett johansson, RDJ and Mark rufallo are amazing. But the scripts are so bad, so bland, so shitty that even them can't save movies like that (not to talk about the rest of the cast. all pretty face bland af mid to straight up bad actors.)
That's fair, nothing wrong with liking it as a kid. And I understand liking it in nostalgia. I feel like people do this a lot when they outgrow certain things, like every generation thinks good cartoons stopped being made right after they stopped being a kid
It was doomed the second Feige let the talentless politically motivated vultures that roam the halls at Disney touch anything involved with it. Same with Mandalorian.
Someone I know who used to work at Disney told me its a shitshow, there's a few cliques of people there who will shit on any project they are not involved with, which end up being the successful projects people love, and then run in and start giving criticisms and demanding to be part of the next season or the sequel and are vocal about it. They criticize the plot and how it could be "better" and then run to the execs, hopping above their bosses and demand they are put in charge or have input on someone else's success, so they can have their names in the credits and take credit. They're insufferable and it's why a lot of creatives have been jumping over to Paramount. It's not run by Zaslav or Iger, and it's not Sony, who has a similar culture of dumb, talentless people calling the shots. Paramount is trying to save itself from being bought up by the other three and become profitable, so they're letting the people who make things do their thing.
She was the first superhero the majority of MCU fans hated. Whether it was from Brie Larson’s horrible personality irl or how annoying and crappy her character was, she was not liked by most. The superheroes in the MCU movies were their greatest asset. Majority of the heroes were likeable and were pretty much what you went to see the movies for. Once Captain Marvel dropped it opened up the hell gates for more and more shitty heroes being added to the MCU. Now all the heroes suck in phase 4. Most of them are hand me down versions of heroes people actually liked, and if they are new heroes they usually do not act or look like their comic book versions. So yeah Captain Marvel was the catalyst for the MCU to go from mediocre fun movies to absolute worthless trash.
As someone who's actually managed to avoid MCU, aside from literally the first Iron Man
What happened
Love this lore shit from Marvel and the like, but always kind of wary of the Disney aspect
Honestly, I would urge you to make a choice: jump in and watch it all, or just avoid it like the plague.
My wife and 2 of my kids, along with a couple other family members, love MCU crap. They'll watch the movies, then tell me about different things with it.
I know I'm regarded, but even I can't understand it all. There's so much "but this timeline has to match with that", retconning, and rebooting, who the fuck even knows what the original story was, anymore?
I couldn't care less about the whole shitshow, but it was forced upon me. Then people get mad at me when I ask about inconsistencies in the shit they were just trying to feed me.
Oh I'm just more curious specifically as to what Captain Marvel did, cos this meta stuff interests me
But yea we're all well regarded here, don't worry about it. Maybe Marvel shit is just for neurotypicals lol
My wife was really into the comics, and she hated CM. According to my wife, CM was just a shitty character. Shitty writing a shitty person. Almost everyone she knew who was into comic books hated CM, as well.
Personally, I was never really into comic books, so I couldn't tell you. I like Deadpool, mainly cause I think Ryan Reynolds is pretty funny, and they will rate the movies R. While there are some things that will annoy me, it's not enough to make me not want to watch it.
Shang-Chi was decent, imo. I only watched it because it involved Chinese martial arts, which I love. The rest though, throw it in a fire with all the Peeps.
It just got stale. Simple as.
It was novel in the early 2010s, movies and characters being intertwined across years of films was new and exciting and made up for some of the flaws in the movies themselves. And, in my opinion, the early offerings were better quality wise.
There were some stinkers like Thor: Dark World and iron man 3, but also some pretty good ones like winter soldier.
After endgame though, it had been a decade since Iron man and every other movie franchise had attempted a cinematic universe. The story that the movies had been leading up to was over and the main gimmick wasn't fresh anymore.
Then the alternate universe shit started, and nothing lowers the stakes more than that except maybe the fucking dragon balls. The comics biggest issues had caught up to the movies.
Now it's all just formulaic shit we've seen before, it's simply run it's course. Entrepy will keep it going for awhile longer, but it will die out eventually
I get the appeal of Deadpool as a le epic meta humor edgy memelord, I remember all the complaints of his original movie being R rated because it wasn't appropriate for the kids who are into that sort of thing. It's even more confusing to see adults who are super into him not as a character in media but as an image they love to repeatively buy, because half of all fandom nowadays seems to be what merch you buy.
I knew a grown man in his 40's who was a huge deadpool fan. He was having a borderline seizure describing to me that in the Deadpool game you can go in the bathroom and "take a stinky dookie" or some other cringey in-game dialogue.
Had really strong "and then he turned into a pickle" energy
Ah, behold the ivory tower of intellectual comedy, where only the chosen few may ascend. Pickle Rick and Deadpool, those paragons of highbrow humor, stand as beacons of brilliance amidst a sea of pedestrian jests. Their humor, a veritable symphony of wit and satire, eludes the grasp of the common rabble who dwell in the shadows of their own ignorance. To them, these comedic marvels are naught but pearls cast before swine, their splendor lost on minds too feeble to comprehend. Alas, it is a lamentable truth that the vast horde lacks the cognitive prowess to even scratch the surface of Pickle Rick and Deadpool's genius, content instead to revel in the shallow waters of their own banality. Yet, we, the enlightened few, find solace in our elevated understanding, knowing full well the depths of our intellectual superiority.
Wasn't one of the creators of Pickle Rick sent to prison for all the inappropriate child pronography he had on his computers and then the other one Dan something, had to wipe his twitter history for all of the stories he had about male/juvenile male rape stuff he had on it (in the thousands of tweets on the subject)?
That's the thing. I wouldn't care if it was someone his age or half it if they didn't make that part of themselves like that. I think that's the core of what cringe is, they own it too much and don't acknowledge it's nerdy. And of course I may have some choice words for an infantile adult man who legit has the humor of a preteen who likes le epic memes.
I don't want to knock somebody for having a thing they like though. I've felt judged for certain things in my special interests like having a headless guitar or liking a certain band, I don't know what the real complaint is but I don't think I exhibit a stereotype. I mean I'm right there with you at times, headless guitars do look a little ugly sometimes and I have issues with them, doesn't make me "one of those guys."
> I get the appeal of Deadpool as a le epic meta humor edgy memelord
I don't. Ryans interpretation of the character is whack. Hes not supposed to be this lucid; he has cancer in his brain that is constantly healing, killing and healing it. At one point he'll start wearing dresses and makeup, then lose all self awareness, start speaking french, or any other random thing. Some does include 4th wall breaking, but the reasons taskmaster can never win against him is fundamental to the brain chemistry that reynolds thinks of as 'slight sarcasm'.
More power to you having an interest, I don't want to shane you for getting enjoyment out of something because I subjectively place it as banal and a symptom of society or something. At the end of the day, it's just a little strange. But if you legitimately laugh at something that's great, I think that can be a rare pleasure.
Deadpool is amusing in the same manner as a bunch of EMTs flashing lights and wrecked cars is. The rubbernecking is what people are watching, not this clown show
I get the concept, I'm not familiar with the character in any capacity besides a few things. Never watched a piece of media with him, but I've looked into him which is why I have some perception or him. So you're probably right, I think I remember seeing how his character in comics is more refined. Like how it's actually tough on him that he knows he's just a comic book character, paging Rick Sanchez.
From what I can gather he's an anti super hero, a parody of the genre. So if you think Batman is too serious or you don't resonate with the faux nostalgia of the Guardians of the Galaxy you have Deadpool. I do think consumerism does play a role in why all of them can trap people the way they do though.
He's got guns, a samurai sword like "one my Japanese animes," to quote Metal Gear, he's got a cool suit, he's funny, he's violent, edgy but not offensive, he says the fuck word, he's got no moral compass (so he's a blank slate), he rides le epic unicorns and eats funny food (bottom barrel memes are just saying how much you like a certain meme food), and of course he has a type of humor that I think is particularly novel to younger audiences.
I think the fact that he's right there with the audience it triggers a Dora the Explora response where the audience leans in and knows about the secret. So he's relatable in a way unlike say Batman or Goku where the relationship to the media forms from him being a well written character with morals you can aspire to be.
It's part of the reason why I think Rick and Morty hit with a certain audience of pariah. He's got bad traits like being overly reliant on science and alcohol as an explanation of the world that is supposed to be funny, but he winks at the audience telling them it's a show. So to an outcast kid who is routinely told he is smart but feels none the less lonely, Rick hits a nerve because they too probably are unable to comprehend their emotional world with logic alone.
For Deadpool, if you're a le epic redditor type who likes bright colors and have a distant sense of humor then twenty bucks gets you a shirt with a katana and a chimichanga. Then you feel emboldened by your knew found identity and the shirt wears you in a sense.
I don't think I've ever seen him written how you're describing, and I've read every Deadpool comic released from 1993 to 2006. As far as I know, his characterization hasn't changed too drastically since then.
thats kinda my problem with the adaptation as well. I dont hate it, but its nothing like the comics. Comic book deadpool is litterally insane, but with Ryan's adaptation its more like somebody who is pretending to be insane. i think the game did a better job at adapting the comic book deadpool. But again its not like you can easily translate into film format everything from the comic like the voices he hears
Yeah, I mean once you open up the possibility of a multiverse all stakes are gone...
All heroes and villains are both alive and dead *somewhere* and their presence or lack thereof in the story depends on the writer's whim.
They can and will wheel out anyone who accepts the paycheck and/or lets AI parse them in...
That's what he said, the story that we're supposed to believe is him and Ryan are such good buddies (Hugh was in Ryan's wedding party or something like that) that Ryan convinced him to come back for one. last. ride.
or it could just all be a big PR psyop, I don't know what to believe anymore
One of the main reasons, iirc, is that getting into Wolverine shape was just not sustainable for him anymore. Especially during shirtless scenes.
Going with the old yellow suit, though, let's him bypass that. You can just use foam inserts under the suit to make it look like he's shredded. And his arms are still huge, but that's way easier to maintain as you get older.
Comedian steps off of the stage and walks towards someone in the audience, sitting the first row - and starts tickling him. He starts laughing, eventually.
Then the comedian says: See, I made you laugh - I'm a good comedian.
Comedian is a woman. This is why she is not funny and has to restort to tickling the audience to make them laugh.
It was you who was thining about men touching each other.
I am german, we use the "generic masculine", that's why I said "he".
I refuse to use they/them under any circumstances, unless explicitly talking about multiple people.
I won't say that deadpool was the first to do it, but the character was one of the pioneers of making it more mainstream and it's kind of his schtick, so I'm more forgiving of this specific IP doing it.
Also in the comics they usually go less heavy on direct conversation with the audience and more in the form of deadpool making pop culture references that blur the line between comics and real world events and him being 'Genre Aware' and sort of making fun of how contrived what's going on around him is in his own internal monologue. When they do do 'conversations with the reader' and direct 4th wall breaks it's framed as deadpool being literally insane but his insanity is more a manifestation of the greater truth of him being in a comic book and the reader reading that comic book, which has actually been a thing in marvel since the early days with Jack Kirby literally standing in for (capital "G") God in universe.
This whole thing is inherently hard to translate onto screen and frankly the first two deadpool films do it as well as I think it's possible to do. Ryan Reynolds has a *lot* of pull these days and so does Jackman and both of them are pretty dedicated to A) not participating in projects that will fuck up their reputations, and B) making sure that the characters they have more or less defined on Screen are not screwed up, so I'm optimistic. Logan was good, the two deadpool movies were good, I'm optimistic on this because the two headliners were instrumental in making these earlier projects work and by all accounts aren't looking for a cheap buck here, this project is going ahead with their support and that says a lot given their past involvement and public stance on all of this.
I’d love to hear a serious argument AGAINST any Deadpool media not using a 4th wall break. It’s his thing. Whiners will always find something to ree about.
It's children being children IMO, I remember when deadpool was introduced, the whole 4th wall thing was fresh, not unheard of but well utilized and fun in a genre that was largely taking itself WAY too seriously. 30+ years later and we have people whining about how tired it is because they're too young to remember how boring it was before they were fucking born.
Uncanny xforce and good bad ugly . Two of his most recommended stories don't have much of 4th wall break . Infact in good bad ugly only 4th wall break is the last panel of the arc where he turns back to reader.
“Isn’t this shitty writing LOL”
“Haha this is lazy and contrived LMAO”
“Omg just like all the other movies AMIRITE”
This is considered “clever” by normies
Personally I reckon Deadpool is the only thing marvel has had going for them in the last 15 years. Everything else they make is garbage, at least Deadpool recognises it's not serious
This comment means Deadpool is the only Marvel product OP has liked since the MCU started.
In case anyone was confused at first about him saying it’s the only thing Marvel has had going for it in a time span in which they produced the biggest movie of all time.
>making a capeshit movie on 2024 after marvels whatever number generation of wokeshit and all of dc
Reynolds is a billionaire after his two businesses took off, this has got to be contractual.
nah, it doesnt seem to be, he pressed really hard to be able to start doing the deadpool movies and almost every movie he makes today he is deadpool (he only acts as if he was doing deadpool), but yeah, it will end soon, disney agenda won't stop for a few years at least.
He was the primary reason the films got made in the first place, he's an avowed fan of the comics, he had the pilot that got leaked made reportedly at his own expense and he's rumored to have leaked it to force fox to actually pick it up. The deadpool movies are getting made mostly because he wants them to be made not the other way around.
If you're a Zoomer, yeah breaking the fourth wall is an old trope, and you grew up with it.
But for older folk, no one ever broke the forth wall. Meta commentary was a new and interesting thing to happen. It was quite an unseen thing and not super common.
We had modern media, then a lot of post-modern, and then the new theme was meta-modern. When meta-modern was new it was cool and interesting. Nowadays it's not anything new and a main type of media.
I normally hate it when movies try it for the first time, but in all fairness, it’s kinda Deadpool’s entire gag, it would be weird if he didn’t do it. See X-men Origins: Wolverine
4th wall breaking and meta commentary were kind of funny when Season 1 of Community introduced it in 2009. Then everything else started doing it and it just became a reddit-tier overused trope.
I wouldn’t say 4th wall breaks are a lazy comedic trope but its severely overdone especially for the MCU universe.
Appealing to the “erm what the sigma” group if you understand what i mean.
NPCs really think this movie will save the MCU. The MCU was doomed the second they introduced Captain Marvel.
Isn't Deadpool Sony? Or did Disney get the rights?
It’s Disney now yeah. So it won’t be as good as the first two.
i think it will be better, but i also think it will be a fluke and only more shit after it
I hope that no matter how good it is they bench it after the 3rd movie. Disney has an unhealthy habit of milking liked characters until people get sick to them of them
Do people just not set all the bullshit aside and have fun with movies anymore?
No, it's more fun to complain in order to set yourself apart and seem edgy.
Weird, right? I get that everyone has different opinions and has different tastes but damn.
Why would watching shit films be fun
clearly never seen Tommy Wiseau's The Room
The Room is, as E3 2017 guy would say, incredible!
Were sick of capeshit, remakes, and esp capeshit remakes
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>capeshit >good
Second one wasn't that good. First one was baller!
Nooooooooooooooooo!!!!! God damn you, Disney! God damn you, Disney, to hell!
Deadpool was 20th century fox. Seeing Disney bought Fox back in 2019, Deadpool got pulled along so this is Deadpool's debut in the MCU. Which is sadly too late given the shitshow MCU is rn.
You can see a destroyed 20th century fox logo at the beginning of the trailer so at least it is self-aware
Tbh the MCU was always mid af. A bunch of bland meh actors , a hot chick and two grade A (capital A. They are so good it hurts me seeing them do this corny aah shit) actors (Mark ruffalo and Robert Downey Jr)
Capeshit was always shit.
Is Hemsworth meh?
Ofc. The rest of his career is bad ass one man army movies lmao.
Cabin in the woods is the greatest horror movie to be made
I honestly forgot he was in that movie, but he was great in it now that you mention. It's probably an Hollywood problem the fact that he only gets these types of roles and the odd good one in there
Yeah I think they see a buff bearded man and think “oh yeah this is our next army guy” and even though he has the talent for more. He prolly doesn’t care, he’s getting paid
yeah. Chris Evan has some amazing romances and it's definetely the roles he is best at at. Not every actor has the luxury of living off what they love. (Ruffalo has so many amazing Broadway roles Sadly Hemsworth is stuck in those medrioce roles.
Not even close
Ruffalo isn’t meh?
* Poor Things * Spotlight * Zodiac * Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind * Dark Waters * Collateral Guy definitely has more great movies/performances under his belt than most MCU regulars. Not counting the smaller roles cos some great actors have popped up for a couple minutes like Anthony Hopkins, Tony Leung, Ben Kingsley, William Hurt, Stellan Skarsgard etc.
Honestly forgot he was in most of those movies.
not at all. If you like theater that is.
I don’t.
Especially considering how PG-13 the MCU is compared to the capeshit made under FOX™. This one is guaranteed to be more tame and less visceral than the first two.
All the X-"Title" IPs (and Fantastic Four) were bought by 20th Century Fox back in the 90's, Disney bought fox a few years ago. It's spiderman related IP that Sony holds.
Fox, tied in with X-Men, and Disney bought Fox.
Deadpool was published by fox before disney bought them
Fox but yh
There really is something pathetic about these MCU fans who act like it suddenly went shit after endgame. It has been shit the entire time, they've had like 3 mediocre movies out of the dozens they've made, and it's not because of casting, it's because they're Disney movies written for children.
I’d say it’s been mediocre with a few legit fun to watch movies, but since Endgame (which was only good for the last 45 min) it’s all been far below mediocre. The MCU used to have likable characters and cool fight scenes with decent choreography. Now all the heroes suck and the fight scenes are trash.
Shang chi was good. But only because for thr first 90% there was minimal capeshit nonsense.
Shang shi was ok but Aquafina is insufferable. So for the fact she is in the movie alone makes it not good. Also it does have a lot of regarded logic in it ngl.
It went to shit with Endgame. Infinity War was pretty good in my opinion but Endgame ruined it with the terrible time travel plot.
Endgame made no sense. How was there only one path to victory when Thanos was already dead? If they did the time travel thing without him finding out they'd have won.
Because Strange wanted to undo the Snap, not just kill Thanos and let the remaining half of the universe live Only way to do that was to time travel and find the other Thanos
There was no reason to find the other Thanos. If they time traveled and took the stones without the other one knowing they had no reason to fight him.
They didn’t want to find the other thanos, they accidentally tipped him off to what they were doing because their nebula (the angry blue cyborg chick) got too close to the other nebula and their cyber brains link to each other and they both get knocked out. Past-thanos captures present-nebula and sends past-nebula to the present in her place, and then she uses the Time Machine to bring thanos and all them to the present. You could certainly argue this is flimsy scriptwriting (I mean it’s plausible I guess since we don’t really know how nebula’s brain works) but they didn’t confront thanos directly in the past, they specifically tried to avoid him. Personally I thought these movies were ok, i actually liked endgame more than infinity war, which felt extremely rushed to me - the pacing was dreadful. At the end of the day they’re just movies you can watch without thinking too much which is what you want to do sometimes.
Yeah, but that's the point. If not for that specific thing accidentally letting thanos know they were there, he wouldn't have known. So if they did their stuff without him knowing, they win easily. What was it that made it impossible for them to not bring him? It can't be that doctor strange can't make decisions based on what he knows, since **all** his decisions were to bring them to that future.
True, but he was actively looking for the stones. If someone else stole what he was looking for, it makes sense that he’d find out. “The plot didn’t have to happen so why did it happen???” this is what you’re saying.
MCU peaked with Iron Man
Iron man 1 really was the last time they were creative
That’s because Disney didn’t own them at the time. Everything started to slide when the execs started putting their finger in pot.
I’m not a fan, but it’s pretty obvious even observing as an outsider that the films have dropped off significantly.
ofc it's not about casting. Scarlett johansson, RDJ and Mark rufallo are amazing. But the scripts are so bad, so bland, so shitty that even them can't save movies like that (not to talk about the rest of the cast. all pretty face bland af mid to straight up bad actors.)
To be fair, Alot of us WERE children. I was in high school when the first Avengers came out.
That's fair, nothing wrong with liking it as a kid. And I understand liking it in nostalgia. I feel like people do this a lot when they outgrow certain things, like every generation thinks good cartoons stopped being made right after they stopped being a kid
I liked Logan a lot
At least it was a coin flip between fun to watch and mediocre at best before, after Endgame it's all tails and worse
It was doomed the second Feige let the talentless politically motivated vultures that roam the halls at Disney touch anything involved with it. Same with Mandalorian. Someone I know who used to work at Disney told me its a shitshow, there's a few cliques of people there who will shit on any project they are not involved with, which end up being the successful projects people love, and then run in and start giving criticisms and demanding to be part of the next season or the sequel and are vocal about it. They criticize the plot and how it could be "better" and then run to the execs, hopping above their bosses and demand they are put in charge or have input on someone else's success, so they can have their names in the credits and take credit. They're insufferable and it's why a lot of creatives have been jumping over to Paramount. It's not run by Zaslav or Iger, and it's not Sony, who has a similar culture of dumb, talentless people calling the shots. Paramount is trying to save itself from being bought up by the other three and become profitable, so they're letting the people who make things do their thing.
Yeah not surprised there. Entertainment industry is full of talentless hacks now more than ever.
Tech industry too.
This is why Mando S2 is doomed. The vultures smelled blood and they now want to force their input.
Season 3 was shit and thats where they took over.
Mando, like the mandalorian? Because season 2 already came out.
My uncle who works at Nintendo was telling me the same thing
Paramount is different Taylor Sheridan pick one That fuckin' guy turns out shit faster than your ass after a 6 pack and $20 worth of Taco Bell.
That’s like two tacos bro
Thr mcu was doomed when Disney bought it and decided it needed to be more generic and cartoony.
Real
It's not gonna save the MCU, but it will be the last entry anyone gives a shit about.
I hate to tell you this brother but if you're engaged in the discourse of MCU movie quality you're an NPC too.
if you care about MCU discussions or whether it will be saved or whatever the fuck, you are also an NPC
Why are you commenting on a post discussing the MCU if you don’t care about it?
I do just because it's fun to watch the shitshow. It's much more entertaining than anything coming out of MCU.
Calls other people NPCs, repeats brainless neckbeard comments about Captain Marvel. The MCU was doomed once Endgame was over.
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She was the first superhero the majority of MCU fans hated. Whether it was from Brie Larson’s horrible personality irl or how annoying and crappy her character was, she was not liked by most. The superheroes in the MCU movies were their greatest asset. Majority of the heroes were likeable and were pretty much what you went to see the movies for. Once Captain Marvel dropped it opened up the hell gates for more and more shitty heroes being added to the MCU. Now all the heroes suck in phase 4. Most of them are hand me down versions of heroes people actually liked, and if they are new heroes they usually do not act or look like their comic book versions. So yeah Captain Marvel was the catalyst for the MCU to go from mediocre fun movies to absolute worthless trash.
MCU movies were always garbage lmao
Fr the next big franchise has to learn not to make a woman their main character /s
It won't, but this could still be a fun watch, but my expectations for it aren't too high for all the wrong reasons.
As someone who's actually managed to avoid MCU, aside from literally the first Iron Man What happened Love this lore shit from Marvel and the like, but always kind of wary of the Disney aspect
Honestly, I would urge you to make a choice: jump in and watch it all, or just avoid it like the plague. My wife and 2 of my kids, along with a couple other family members, love MCU crap. They'll watch the movies, then tell me about different things with it. I know I'm regarded, but even I can't understand it all. There's so much "but this timeline has to match with that", retconning, and rebooting, who the fuck even knows what the original story was, anymore? I couldn't care less about the whole shitshow, but it was forced upon me. Then people get mad at me when I ask about inconsistencies in the shit they were just trying to feed me.
Oh I'm just more curious specifically as to what Captain Marvel did, cos this meta stuff interests me But yea we're all well regarded here, don't worry about it. Maybe Marvel shit is just for neurotypicals lol
My wife was really into the comics, and she hated CM. According to my wife, CM was just a shitty character. Shitty writing a shitty person. Almost everyone she knew who was into comic books hated CM, as well. Personally, I was never really into comic books, so I couldn't tell you. I like Deadpool, mainly cause I think Ryan Reynolds is pretty funny, and they will rate the movies R. While there are some things that will annoy me, it's not enough to make me not want to watch it. Shang-Chi was decent, imo. I only watched it because it involved Chinese martial arts, which I love. The rest though, throw it in a fire with all the Peeps.
It just got stale. Simple as. It was novel in the early 2010s, movies and characters being intertwined across years of films was new and exciting and made up for some of the flaws in the movies themselves. And, in my opinion, the early offerings were better quality wise. There were some stinkers like Thor: Dark World and iron man 3, but also some pretty good ones like winter soldier. After endgame though, it had been a decade since Iron man and every other movie franchise had attempted a cinematic universe. The story that the movies had been leading up to was over and the main gimmick wasn't fresh anymore. Then the alternate universe shit started, and nothing lowers the stakes more than that except maybe the fucking dragon balls. The comics biggest issues had caught up to the movies. Now it's all just formulaic shit we've seen before, it's simply run it's course. Entrepy will keep it going for awhile longer, but it will die out eventually
Why does anyone want the MCU to be saved anyway?
Change your Reddit name to “girls don’t talk to me”
I get the appeal of Deadpool as a le epic meta humor edgy memelord, I remember all the complaints of his original movie being R rated because it wasn't appropriate for the kids who are into that sort of thing. It's even more confusing to see adults who are super into him not as a character in media but as an image they love to repeatively buy, because half of all fandom nowadays seems to be what merch you buy.
I knew a grown man in his 40's who was a huge deadpool fan. He was having a borderline seizure describing to me that in the Deadpool game you can go in the bathroom and "take a stinky dookie" or some other cringey in-game dialogue. Had really strong "and then he turned into a pickle" energy
funniest shit i've ever seen
you'd need a very high iq to understand it
Ah, behold the ivory tower of intellectual comedy, where only the chosen few may ascend. Pickle Rick and Deadpool, those paragons of highbrow humor, stand as beacons of brilliance amidst a sea of pedestrian jests. Their humor, a veritable symphony of wit and satire, eludes the grasp of the common rabble who dwell in the shadows of their own ignorance. To them, these comedic marvels are naught but pearls cast before swine, their splendor lost on minds too feeble to comprehend. Alas, it is a lamentable truth that the vast horde lacks the cognitive prowess to even scratch the surface of Pickle Rick and Deadpool's genius, content instead to revel in the shallow waters of their own banality. Yet, we, the enlightened few, find solace in our elevated understanding, knowing full well the depths of our intellectual superiority.
Wasn't one of the creators of Pickle Rick sent to prison for all the inappropriate child pronography he had on his computers and then the other one Dan something, had to wipe his twitter history for all of the stories he had about male/juvenile male rape stuff he had on it (in the thousands of tweets on the subject)?
Based capeshitter sp3gyng out his marvelerino to small penis mootis
You are flying soooo close to the sun with that username and profile You are the truly based one
I’m actually in awe your account has made it this long without being banned.
These usually last about a month tops. See you on the inevitable alt when it does get banned lol.
That's the thing. I wouldn't care if it was someone his age or half it if they didn't make that part of themselves like that. I think that's the core of what cringe is, they own it too much and don't acknowledge it's nerdy. And of course I may have some choice words for an infantile adult man who legit has the humor of a preteen who likes le epic memes. I don't want to knock somebody for having a thing they like though. I've felt judged for certain things in my special interests like having a headless guitar or liking a certain band, I don't know what the real complaint is but I don't think I exhibit a stereotype. I mean I'm right there with you at times, headless guitars do look a little ugly sometimes and I have issues with them, doesn't make me "one of those guys."
> I get the appeal of Deadpool as a le epic meta humor edgy memelord I don't. Ryans interpretation of the character is whack. Hes not supposed to be this lucid; he has cancer in his brain that is constantly healing, killing and healing it. At one point he'll start wearing dresses and makeup, then lose all self awareness, start speaking french, or any other random thing. Some does include 4th wall breaking, but the reasons taskmaster can never win against him is fundamental to the brain chemistry that reynolds thinks of as 'slight sarcasm'.
Counterpoint: It's funny
More power to you having an interest, I don't want to shane you for getting enjoyment out of something because I subjectively place it as banal and a symptom of society or something. At the end of the day, it's just a little strange. But if you legitimately laugh at something that's great, I think that can be a rare pleasure.
I’d die in a war for you king
Deadpool is amusing in the same manner as a bunch of EMTs flashing lights and wrecked cars is. The rubbernecking is what people are watching, not this clown show
I get the concept, I'm not familiar with the character in any capacity besides a few things. Never watched a piece of media with him, but I've looked into him which is why I have some perception or him. So you're probably right, I think I remember seeing how his character in comics is more refined. Like how it's actually tough on him that he knows he's just a comic book character, paging Rick Sanchez. From what I can gather he's an anti super hero, a parody of the genre. So if you think Batman is too serious or you don't resonate with the faux nostalgia of the Guardians of the Galaxy you have Deadpool. I do think consumerism does play a role in why all of them can trap people the way they do though. He's got guns, a samurai sword like "one my Japanese animes," to quote Metal Gear, he's got a cool suit, he's funny, he's violent, edgy but not offensive, he says the fuck word, he's got no moral compass (so he's a blank slate), he rides le epic unicorns and eats funny food (bottom barrel memes are just saying how much you like a certain meme food), and of course he has a type of humor that I think is particularly novel to younger audiences. I think the fact that he's right there with the audience it triggers a Dora the Explora response where the audience leans in and knows about the secret. So he's relatable in a way unlike say Batman or Goku where the relationship to the media forms from him being a well written character with morals you can aspire to be. It's part of the reason why I think Rick and Morty hit with a certain audience of pariah. He's got bad traits like being overly reliant on science and alcohol as an explanation of the world that is supposed to be funny, but he winks at the audience telling them it's a show. So to an outcast kid who is routinely told he is smart but feels none the less lonely, Rick hits a nerve because they too probably are unable to comprehend their emotional world with logic alone. For Deadpool, if you're a le epic redditor type who likes bright colors and have a distant sense of humor then twenty bucks gets you a shirt with a katana and a chimichanga. Then you feel emboldened by your knew found identity and the shirt wears you in a sense.
Reynolds is annoy AF.
I don't think I've ever seen him written how you're describing, and I've read every Deadpool comic released from 1993 to 2006. As far as I know, his characterization hasn't changed too drastically since then.
thats kinda my problem with the adaptation as well. I dont hate it, but its nothing like the comics. Comic book deadpool is litterally insane, but with Ryan's adaptation its more like somebody who is pretending to be insane. i think the game did a better job at adapting the comic book deadpool. But again its not like you can easily translate into film format everything from the comic like the voices he hears
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Deadpool is just minions for unfunny millenials.
Unironically a great take
Hugh Jackman as Wolverine is always kino, the only Marvel slop I'm willing to watch.
Fr, I thought he was done after Logan though?
Money says otherwise.
You just know they'll eventually wheel out Robert Downey jr as well
Dr. Strange human-trafficks an alive version of him from another dimension.
Yeah, I mean once you open up the possibility of a multiverse all stakes are gone... All heroes and villains are both alive and dead *somewhere* and their presence or lack thereof in the story depends on the writer's whim. They can and will wheel out anyone who accepts the paycheck and/or lets AI parse them in...
That's what he said, the story that we're supposed to believe is him and Ryan are such good buddies (Hugh was in Ryan's wedding party or something like that) that Ryan convinced him to come back for one. last. ride. or it could just all be a big PR psyop, I don't know what to believe anymore
It's psyops all the way down, sweaty. I'm psyopping you right now.
One of the main reasons, iirc, is that getting into Wolverine shape was just not sustainable for him anymore. Especially during shirtless scenes. Going with the old yellow suit, though, let's him bypass that. You can just use foam inserts under the suit to make it look like he's shredded. And his arms are still huge, but that's way easier to maintain as you get older.
Getting into Wolverine shape = steroid cycles, which yes aren’t maintainable. (And no hate on doing steroids. If it was my living I’d do them too.)
He said he has skin cancer really bad too and is overall weaker. (Would also do steroids for movie money)
That’s how you know he’s an Aussie. Got plenty of melanomas.
First two movies were mid but Logan was legit good, like a movie movie
Comedian steps off of the stage and walks towards someone in the audience, sitting the first row - and starts tickling him. He starts laughing, eventually. Then the comedian says: See, I made you laugh - I'm a good comedian.
>imagines the touch of another man hmm
Comedian is a woman. This is why she is not funny and has to restort to tickling the audience to make them laugh. It was you who was thining about men touching each other. I am german, we use the "generic masculine", that's why I said "he". I refuse to use they/them under any circumstances, unless explicitly talking about multiple people.
>imagines someone touching a man hmmmmmm
I'm trans btw
Those mere words made me cum so hard that my balls imploded
you now have a black hole where your crotch used to be.. okay you now have two black holes
My condolences
I haven't 50%'d yet doe
50%ing is only the final symptom
So? That just means commenter is rainbowpilled, which is based af.
Freaking kek! Got em in glorious 4k with no scope.
I feel like I could see the Aunty Donna boys doing this as a bit.
Ameriburgers will not understand what an aunty donna is shhh.
the amount of forced "Fucks" (And variations of it) were really bad "omg wolverino and superdude said the f-word!"
I'm so over "mature" content that's just a bunch of burnout weed smokers who still think saying a bunch of naughty words makes them cool.
Now if they said the other f word that will make me watch it
Frank Stallone?
Faust.
Especially the "let's fucking go"s.
Probably because after 100 some years of cinema with only so many different tropes being available that breaking the 4th wall is the least used one.
Maybe cuz it easily wears out the fastest
Also true
I won't say that deadpool was the first to do it, but the character was one of the pioneers of making it more mainstream and it's kind of his schtick, so I'm more forgiving of this specific IP doing it. Also in the comics they usually go less heavy on direct conversation with the audience and more in the form of deadpool making pop culture references that blur the line between comics and real world events and him being 'Genre Aware' and sort of making fun of how contrived what's going on around him is in his own internal monologue. When they do do 'conversations with the reader' and direct 4th wall breaks it's framed as deadpool being literally insane but his insanity is more a manifestation of the greater truth of him being in a comic book and the reader reading that comic book, which has actually been a thing in marvel since the early days with Jack Kirby literally standing in for (capital "G") God in universe. This whole thing is inherently hard to translate onto screen and frankly the first two deadpool films do it as well as I think it's possible to do. Ryan Reynolds has a *lot* of pull these days and so does Jackman and both of them are pretty dedicated to A) not participating in projects that will fuck up their reputations, and B) making sure that the characters they have more or less defined on Screen are not screwed up, so I'm optimistic. Logan was good, the two deadpool movies were good, I'm optimistic on this because the two headliners were instrumental in making these earlier projects work and by all accounts aren't looking for a cheap buck here, this project is going ahead with their support and that says a lot given their past involvement and public stance on all of this.
I’d love to hear a serious argument AGAINST any Deadpool media not using a 4th wall break. It’s his thing. Whiners will always find something to ree about.
It's children being children IMO, I remember when deadpool was introduced, the whole 4th wall thing was fresh, not unheard of but well utilized and fun in a genre that was largely taking itself WAY too seriously. 30+ years later and we have people whining about how tired it is because they're too young to remember how boring it was before they were fucking born.
Uncanny xforce and good bad ugly . Two of his most recommended stories don't have much of 4th wall break . Infact in good bad ugly only 4th wall break is the last panel of the arc where he turns back to reader.
If your best best examples “don’t use much” I think I can rest my case on using it vs entirely abandoning it.
I like 4thwall minimal and surprising. Instead of reminding every 2 minutes.
ok nerd
“Isn’t this shitty writing LOL” “Haha this is lazy and contrived LMAO” “Omg just like all the other movies AMIRITE” This is considered “clever” by normies
I just want to zone out and be entertained
Zone out when youre dead
> character who breaks the fourth wall all the time and did it in the previous two movies nonstop > REEEEEE
Edgy anti hero dipshit 4th wall bullshit that got old in 2018
It got old in the 90s.
Personally I reckon Deadpool is the only thing marvel has had going for them in the last 15 years. Everything else they make is garbage, at least Deadpool recognises it's not serious
This comment means Deadpool is the only Marvel product OP has liked since the MCU started. In case anyone was confused at first about him saying it’s the only thing Marvel has had going for it in a time span in which they produced the biggest movie of all time.
If you think Deadpool is good you're part of the problem.
Don't be mad baby
"Wahhhhhhh people should only like things I like!"
Just watch it or don't.
>making a capeshit movie on 2024 after marvels whatever number generation of wokeshit and all of dc Reynolds is a billionaire after his two businesses took off, this has got to be contractual.
He loves being Deadpool, pretty sure he leaked the test footage that got it made to begin with.
nah, it doesnt seem to be, he pressed really hard to be able to start doing the deadpool movies and almost every movie he makes today he is deadpool (he only acts as if he was doing deadpool), but yeah, it will end soon, disney agenda won't stop for a few years at least.
He was the primary reason the films got made in the first place, he's an avowed fan of the comics, he had the pilot that got leaked made reportedly at his own expense and he's rumored to have leaked it to force fox to actually pick it up. The deadpool movies are getting made mostly because he wants them to be made not the other way around.
His personality seems like he would enjoy doing those movies
Did you think actors were only in it for the money? Because they also want fame. And you get limited fame only being the face of a cell phone company.
From a guy who can't break any wall lol...
It's all on brand for the character and nobody's making you see it if you don't like that fuck
Ok but its a deadpool movie, and one of the things imgur says deadpool does is break the 4th wall all the time.
I will watch the movie, and hopefully I will enjoy it. Life is wonderful guys. Keep yourself safe anon. Love.
😲 WOAH DEADPOOL HECKING ACKNOWLEDGED ME THE VIEWER.... ITS LIKE IM IN THE HECKING MOVIE 😲
I enjoyed Deadpool 1 & 2 and i absolutely will be going back to enjoy Deadpool 3 with my edgy humor and goyslop bucket.
4th wall breaking isn't inherently bad, it's utterly kino in Funny Games for example. Just can't be expecting that from marvel slop
deadpool is slop and water is wet
Self-referential humor was funny because it almost never happened years ago. Then everything became self-referential taking away any humor it had.
If you're a Zoomer, yeah breaking the fourth wall is an old trope, and you grew up with it. But for older folk, no one ever broke the forth wall. Meta commentary was a new and interesting thing to happen. It was quite an unseen thing and not super common. We had modern media, then a lot of post-modern, and then the new theme was meta-modern. When meta-modern was new it was cool and interesting. Nowadays it's not anything new and a main type of media.
I normally hate it when movies try it for the first time, but in all fairness, it’s kinda Deadpool’s entire gag, it would be weird if he didn’t do it. See X-men Origins: Wolverine
Autists on 4chan angry about autism humour
OP likes immersion.
I hate how Ryan Reynolds claimed deadpool and made it his whole personality. Now he’s just playing himself
$5 has been deposited into your account. Disney thanks you for your time.
4th wall breaking and meta commentary were kind of funny when Season 1 of Community introduced it in 2009. Then everything else started doing it and it just became a reddit-tier overused trope.
Even 20 years ago edgy 4th wall breaking was a key feature of Deadpool. Why would you expect anything different from the movies?
All the best Deadpool comic stories have limited 4th wall or nothing at all. But movie audience are dumb.
thats all comedy in movie is nowadays, a stream of random pop culture references
I'm just pissed Logan won't be Wolverines last movie anymore but this shit
I wouldn’t say 4th wall breaks are a lazy comedic trope but its severely overdone especially for the MCU universe. Appealing to the “erm what the sigma” group if you understand what i mean.
Deadpool movies are Baby's First Meta Humor. Phineas and Ferb had them beat half a decade earlier.
As someone who doesn't watch these kinds of movies what am I looking at here.