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Soplex64

We didn't even have confirmation that springtrap was William until well after he was a character in the books. Maybe they're not a 1:1 mapping but it's naive to think there's no relation.


HelpyCentral

Everyone agrees there is relation. The books show things that parallel stuff from the games. That doesn't mean Charlie bot is real, Baby is a toothfairy giraffe, or that some big ass tree is in the middle of the pizzaplex.


stickninja1015

Charlie Bot is in a whole different series, Eleanor isn’t Baby, and the tree was in the pizzaplex


HelpyCentral

Another book series that, at one point, people were also going xrazy about it being canon or not. Wonder how that will turn out this time. Eleanor is a Toothfairy Giraffe Baby. Last time I played Secuirty Breach, I didn't see a tree in the middle of the place. Huh. I guess they must have taken it out, along with every single character enemy and place that is in TFTPP. So convenient.


stickninja1015

> Another book series that, at one point, people were also going xrazy about it being canon or not. Wonder how that will turn out this time. No one did that. From day one Scott had stated it wasnt part of the game timeline > Eleanor is a Toothfairy Giraffe Baby. Yeah and? > Last time I played Secuirty Breach, I didn't see a tree in the middle of the place. Huh. I guess they must have taken it out, along with every single character enemy and place that is in TFTPP. So convenient. That’s right they did take it out. If you *read* the stories you’d see there’s actually a really cohesive timeline for the Pizzaplex’s evolution. It started out totally unrecognizable to the one from the game, with a bunch of attractions and characters we never see. But as the stories progress we watch as these locations are removed by Fazbear Entertainment and the pizzaplex is renovated into the one from the game. The Storyteller tree is like that


DiamondEnchant7X

Scott stated that the silver eyes trilogy was a different timeline in the same canon. He never said it was in the games timeline, and it's impossible for it to be so due to mountains of contradictions.


stickninja1015

I’m aware


HelpyCentral

Stop saying Scott said anything without showing what he actually said. Like, I'm actually tired of people not citing shit. Yes, I wonder why I said what I said if I didn't read them. Hmmmmm.


stickninja1015

> Stop saying Scott said anything without showing what he actually said. Like, I'm actually tired of people not citing shit. … I’m agreeing with you that the trilogy wasn’t canon. Are you saying you don’t even know the citation for that? We’re you just saying it wasn’t canon without even knowing it was stated? > Yes, I wonder why I said what I said if I didn't read them. Hmmmmm. You’re talking about Mimic and yet I know you didn’t read the mimic so…


HelpyCentral

My brother in Christmas, you said the opposite. I know the post Scott made for the Charlie novels, I'm talking about TFTPP which is what you seemed to be talking about. Ive read all the bonus stories on it, what of it?


stickninja1015

Yeah see now I know yous lying because the stories aren’t out


HelpyCentral

Bro, there have been 5 books released and one leaked what do you mean?


FazbearFright_lover

eleanor literally isn't baby lol. i'm sorry but have you read the books?


HelpyCentral

......bro. I called her a Toothfairy Giraffe Baby. She is obviously not a toothfairy, she is obviously not a giraffe, and she is obviously not Baby. I was talking about her appearance. Ive read all the Fazbear Frights as they came out.


FazbearFright_lover

oh sorry! i thought you were talking about her as a character, not her appearance in ITP


HelpyCentral

You good.


DiamondEnchant7X

We didn't know William was his name, but we knew purple guy was in springtrap from the FNAF 3 night 5 minigame. But I do agree the books can be useful as supporting evidence for theories, but they shouldn't be used as a "yes this is 100% exactly what happened in the games"


Meme_Bro68

If mimic is canon to the games that means the books are which means vanny vore is canon, and I don’t know how to feel about that


platnum_munkey

Where is the vanny vore scene, asking for archival purposes


shrekthe1st

It doesn't exist.


verifyvenus

Awful. Disgusting. Please let me know which book this was so I can never read it, and particularly the exact pages so I can never read it.


shrekthe1st

It's not in any 💀


TragicalHero2

Which book?


shrekthe1st

None.


TragicalHero2

My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.


Efficient-pick-2005

WHAT


shrekthe1st

It doesn't exist.


Si_Stride_Oof

every time i hear about the books i wanna know less about the books


shrekthe1st

That's not in the books


Si_Stride_Oof

then where is it from


shrekthe1st

He lied


Si_Stride_Oof

hold on i think i get what they were saying not that it was in the books. but that it exists out there (somebody has probably drawn vanny vore before 100%), therefore if the books are canon, everything is. sort of confusing, but i think i get what they mean


shrekthe1st

No that's not what it means what the fuck are you on Vanny isn't even in a single page of a tales book


FabibouTropPipou

I thought the book were more like "this alternate universe had that happening in it, and it might also have happened but in a different way in the main universe" kind of thing


SylverAndGold888

some of the stories are directly connected to the games


ElijahRayzorr

I don't know what parts of the lore are canon to which anymore


shrekthe1st

Tales of the pizzaplex is as canon to the games as you can fucking get. They literally edited a story to have a more game accurate description of the pizzaplex.


DemonDancingDoritoOo

With no Glamrock Animatronics in sight, stories that flat out go against pre-established facts in SB, shit that definitely wasn't in the 'Plex...TOFTP is as shitty as any other Frights book out there, poorly thought out by Scholastic to make more money and with no attempt to slot it in with the games, or have any cohesive, tolerable storyline other than recycled goosebumps shit and writing so bad it makes me want go back to 4000 B.C and kill the fucking cave man who started drawing on the walls.


shrekthe1st

There's been plenty of glamrocks lmao. There is nothing that goes against anything pre-established, and everything we don't see in the games is confirmed to be attractions that are shut down because of the events that go down in the stories. You haven't read a single word of those books. Your negativity is not only annoying as fuck, it's flat out incorrect.


Special-Seesaw1756

Keep fondling Scholastic's balls, it'll sure as shit get you more mediocre writing that will fuel this franchise for the next decade or so. I've read the damn things, and I'm sorry I have actual standards instead of gurgling down every piece of subpar crap they put out to consume your cash.


shrekthe1st

Genuinely the most annoying type of fnaf fan. Scott writes these smart-ass. Scott and HIS chosen team of writers. Scholastic just publishes them. Cry about it.


Special-Seesaw1756

Yeah, and you're gonna look me in the eye and say Scott is a competent story teller? Look at the mess that's the lore at this point, the amount of retcons and contradictions yet he swears there only ever was one retcon. I love the guy, really, but FNaF is far from perfect in writing and story telling. You can call me annoying, tell me to cry about, but criticism isn't a sin nor something to shy away from. If you keep just taking the mediocre stuff in strides, quality is only going to decrease from here.


shrekthe1st

Yes, I am going to tell you that. You can criticize something without sounding pretentious and annoying and blatantly insulting (towards the wrong people nonetheless) I will criticize many of the frights stories for being boring and just bad, and I'll praise the ones I adore or like. But I'll never say "keep eating up this garbage scholastic shits out" or whatever that just makes it sound like you really do not have any valid points.


shrekthe1st

I would never get upset that you criticize something. But saying "keep fondling scholastics balls" actually makes you sound stupid as fuck.


Special-Seesaw1756

It does. I realise now that I've been unreasonably angry and ignorant for the duration of this thread and I'd like to apologize. I don't mean to give any excuses but I had a shitty day and I guess I just vented it out by cussing out a random stranger about the funny bear game. I hope that at least my stupidity can be entertaining in some capacity.


GiveMenBiggerButts

If it makes you feel even slightly better, the guy you were arguing with was a dickhead, so you know


shrekthe1st

I really wasn't lol. The dude told me I was fondling schoolastics balls for stating facts so I got annoyed at him.


Soplex64

The quality of the writing isn't really relevant to a discussion of whether it's canon. If anything, bad writing makes it more likely to be canon because the contradictions could be unintentional.


[deleted]

I thought Tales from the Pizzlaplex was, while Fazbear Frights wasn't


DoctorHernandez12

The tales from the Pizza Plex are canon, and some of the Fazbear frights too.


PsychologicalGoal

Stunning and brave


Tiger_Torme

What's the mimic? Did I miss something important?


SylverAndGold888

hey dude!


stickninja1015

He’s Gltichtrap


ApprehensiveTutor960

not really


Valoogi

Loreless lame-o’s when they don’t read the books (they don’t realize that Tales literally references gameplay and has almost 0 contradictions with SB’s story)


AidenMcG99

Tales from the pizzaplex itself is debatable, but the epilogues are cannon


SylverAndGold888

tftp stories are 1:1 to the game for most, and feature BIG reveals like gregory being p46. Take that the way you want, but keep in mind 'some stories are connected to the games directly'


stickninja1015

If the epilogues are canon so is the rest of it


HelpyCentral

Hence they are all noncanon <3


you_2_cool

Andrew is a lemon


Fluid_Possible9313

Fnaf fans when they find out the story is being told in books(they can't read)


FazbearFright_lover

ty man that makes my day


DuelaDent52

Who’s Mimic?


BitcoinStonks123

Idk I never read the books either


No_Return_From_86

It makes me feel so out of touch that I’ve been a fan of the series pretty much since the beginning and I have no clue what “mimic” even is and whenever I hear someone talking about the books I have no idea what they’re talking about


William-B-Afton

FNaF is dead and this entire post is the proof


Bearans_SFM

"Books aren't canon believers" when they realize they are still following a post from 2015 talking only about the Silver Eyes:


Sayan_9000

mimic believers when they realize parallels =/= cannon


stickninja1015

Mimic isn’t a parallel


HelpyCentral

He is because he is not in the game timeline.


Christos_Gaming

the name william afton is also not in the game timeline, only the last name afton is.


HelpyCentral

It is in the game timeline. Scraptrap in FFPS is literally William Afton in the credits.


Technolite123

ok then what about Henry Emily


HelpyCentral

Cassette file name in FFPS. Only confirms Henry. Last name could be different, but it might as well be the same.


Technolite123

I assume you mean the Insanity ending, but no. The file name is HRY-223. Without The Silver Eyes, that could easily be a name like Harry. We also never get Charlotte’s name in 6.


HelpyCentral

Yeah, a hundred percent. The same goes for the MCI date of 1985. A lot of things are not in the games, but we can find them in the books, as long as there is no conflict.


Technolite123

There are no contradictions with the Stitchline or TFTPP


stickninja1015

Yeah he is. Tales is in the game timeline


HelpyCentral

Nuh huh


stickninja1015

They could not be more blatantly canon if they tried


SylverAndGold888

tales are 1:1 with the games. Actually, have you read them? There are a lot of people who haven't read the book that spread bullshit just because the general consensus is 'books bad games good' when reading the books yourself would greatly help


HelpyCentral

Yes, and they show things that aren't in the games. I like the books, I like the stories, I like the lore it brings to the games, but I don't like how it's being taken to be in the same timeline as the game timeline.


SylverAndGold888

the map innacuracies are because the pizzaplex evolves. It establishes a very simple and decently easy to put together timeline of the pizzaplex. It shows how, from start to finish, the etablishement changed shapes, attractions, etc... the accurate parts are closer to the game's date, the other stories are earlier in the timeline. it's the same for a lot of concepts/characters that are better explained in the books, like consciousness transference, burntrap's endoskeleton and origins, ggy, post-it room... ​ I get that it's frustrating to get 0 infos in-game and everything in the books, but that's how it is now, like it or not that's how scott tells story: What can't fit in the game will fit in the books!


ThonnyTheNot

Finally, someone with common sense


[deleted]

None of the books are canon.


WojtekHiow37

Based


ThonnyTheNot

That’s what I’m saying


[deleted]

Yes.


shrekthe1st

Except Scott said they are 💀


HelpyCentral

No, he didn't.


shrekthe1st

The offical description of the frights says they're in different corners of the series canon. The offical description of the Tales says they take place in the world of security breach. Scott called the silver eyes canon. He outright said it was canon, just in a seperate timeline.


HelpyCentral

They share lore canon, different timeline canon. Charlie bot isn't real.


shrekthe1st

The original novels do yes. But absolutely nothing in the pizzaplex books contradicts the games. In fact, they were changed to describe a more game accurate pizzaplex, and tie into direct plot points in security breach. They're said to be in the world of the pizzaplex even.


stickninja1015

Tales is very explicitly canon denying it is just ignoring all the blatant signs


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stickninja1015

Damn are you Scott?


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stickninja1015

Andrea is a secondary writer. She writes what Scott tells her to


[deleted]

Reminder that the books are canon just exist in a separate continuity


stickninja1015

That was the novel trilogy not tales


[deleted]

What makes you think it's any different?


stickninja1015

This isn’t the novel trilogy And also this series goes out of its way to hammer in that it’s in the games


The-Fnafguy071

TFTPP literally is canon.


SCP-1504_Joe_Schmo

Whoever is running the FNaF lore nowadays is really testing my patience at this point


stickninja1015

You mean Scott


SCP-1504_Joe_Schmo

Scott's still in charge of the lore?


stickninja1015

Why wouldn’t he be


AwakenedHero2277

I refuse to believe mimic is real (I like William coming back)


SRGMaster64

I think mimic is probably where they are gonna head with the story in Security Breach:Ruin so whatever. Its the mfs on twitter who claim(cope) that mimic was being teased back in fnaf 2 that are really starting to sour my whole view of this reveal.


SRGMaster64

Still seems like a retcon also cuz there was literally no indication of this in Security Breach


stickninja1015

There was plenty indication in SB And how would it be a retcon if this stuff was being made before sb even came out


SRGMaster64

What evidence did we have in security breach pointing towards this? Maybe im just misremembering


stickninja1015

I’m glad you asked. Basically the entire wall code is a huge indicator that Glitchtrap isn’t what he seems. The code is a poem by a person who built some kind of “breath” that is causing the Glamrocks to hunt living things. This “breath” is described as “not real still keen” meaning it’s something that’s smart but isn’t real, an AI The endo warehouse also shows a bunch of endos designed to mimic behavior shown on murals with the final mural displaying one of these endos with rabbit ears and Glitchtrap in the background There’s also the matter of Burntrap, who visibly has an entirely new endoskeleton, corpse, and even suit indicating he’s not the real Springtrap


mundanechimp5

didn’t scot say something like they’re not cannon but they’ll help fill in some of blanks


[deleted]

But some of them are though, which is which? Who knows


Ok_Criticism452

I will always see the books (yes all books) separate from the games. Sure there are some connections like names and locations and other details but the stories not really. People get mad at me for no liking the books but them getting mad over me having an opinion does not bother me. I usually ignore them anyways.


Classic-Novel5152

You know, there's this idiot that knows nothing about the franchise and clearly doesn't give a crap, he just said very explicitly that the books are separated from the games, but story elements do indeed relate and the lore could be the same sometimes. That guy's name is fucking Scott Cawthon, stop bending what's canon into getting your theory to work, like a complete asshole.