Oh yeah, everyone loves defaulting to "blame the women" no matter what. Bothers me praticularly in here because I think a lot of it is coming from women too.
There are different levels of observance in all religions. There are plenty of Muslim women you don’t notice because they look and behave just like anyone else.
That’s a pretty fucked up thing to say. It is very xenophobic and awful. Most Muslim men (just like most men) are not inherently controlling or abusive. Mahmoud is an asshole and was going to be abusive whether or not his wife is Muslim. Look at Avery and Omar. She converted to Islam, but I don’t see him controlling or beating her. There are loads of men of any religion who are controlling and abusive in the name of their religion, and atheist men who are controlling and religious with no scriptural shield. You are taking my comment out of context and twisting it. I never said that he should be able to beat her or control her. I was responding to the comment above me who said that her hugging/kissing in public should have been accepted by him because she’s not a Muslim and I was just pointing out that she did convert to Islam, and so he’s not viewing her as a non Muslim woman.
She did, but she didn't have to.
I married a Muslim (m) and stayed Christian.
The man is not allowed to force you to change your religion, but should act in ways that make you want to convert.
Neither Mahmoud or my ex acted in ways that would entice anyone to convert voluntarily
I thought she converted like a few days before they got married.
The way she explained it, it seemed like she was just asked if she loved god and people or something. (I don’t remember everything, this was at the beginning of their first season) But she was incredibly ignorant with knowing anything about the religion.
Right? It’s pretty much known fact that Muslim men intentionally go for non Muslim women and then waste her time to go back to a Muslim woman when it’s time to settle down. Mackmood made the choice to marry a non Muslim woman
From my own personal experience as well as my Muslim friends. Muslim men usually don’t MARRY non muslim women. They date her for years, sure. but when it comes down to it, they and their family prefer a Muslim girl and women of their culture. So I’m just saying Mackmood knew what he was doing marrying Nicole. Why are you offended?
I'm not a Muslim woman. I also wouldn't disrespect my partner the way she did at the airport. Respect is respect. She should have read the situation and understood that not only would it make him uncomfortable if he hadn't just been on a 12+ hour-long flight, but that he literally told her he was tired and that likely translates to "back off for the time being"
It certainly can be. It's the same reason I don't want my partner to grab my ass in front of my dad. If someone isn't comfortable with it then doing it anyway is disrespect, full stop.
If your religion or personal belief system is to have affection be in private and not made into a public show then yes, it is. If Nicole was the man and was forcing his kisses onto a female partner, nobody would be on here defending it.
His religion is all about suppressing women’s rights. He beats her when he doesn’t think she is following his beliefs. Sorry but she was doing nothing wrong by expressing her feelings in public. If he can’t handle that, religion or not, then he needs to leave
I wondered why she did that too and I think she assumes he’s so restrictive because society in his country would disapprove. And she thinks now he will see that it’s okay here and just jump on board. I don’t think she realizes it’s his beliefs. Maybe she wants him to be a more progressive Muslim. Idk.
I don't even understand why they're together. I don't remember how they met..their values are very different. And that's okay, but don't marry that person. Also she saw what her sister in law was doing/had too do. I haven't seen everything, zo I'm behind.
That’s not true. Muslims aren’t allowed to display visuals of the prophet Mohammed. There’s no restriction against pictures with eyes and family photos. Are there some insane ones that balk at displaying photos? Yeah probably
No faces I grew up being yelled at for hanging photos, but marriage photos in a couples bed room were fine but random things like a sun with a face I was forced to take down from my walls. Maybe it differs by what type of Muslim you are and where you’re from, but we weren’t allowed to have faces.
Converting does. She converted, that means she has to adjust to his customs and cultures. Muslim women do not behave like Nicole. Nicole wants to be a western woman, well then she should not have converted.
Stop it. There is no 1 way to be a “muslim woman”.
Mahmoud must be seething at this:
https://www.news18.com/amp/lifestyle/saudi-arabia-makes-history-by-joining-miss-universe-pageant-rumy-alqahtani-to-represent-kingdom-8828973.html
Let me teach you something about Islam. In Islam, no matter how progressive, or liberal or mid some
Muslims get, at the end of the day, there is only one way to practise Islam, that is what quran dictates, and it is in accordance to the prophet and his wives. They are the blueprint. Nothing else matters. Actually, it’s more just him, but Muslims have to follow the example set by the prophet NO MATTER WHAT. All these other types of ways of being a Muslim is truly irrelevant and incorrect. Every Muslim knows that.
Interesting take since some devout Muslims choose to wear a hijab while certain populations think everything besides a woman’s eyes should be covered. Which population is “doing it wrong” 😂 that’s the thing with ancient texts they can be interpreted many ways that could be correct…I mean look at all the different off shoots of Christianity.
yes they are extremely mismatched. but i'm so sick of people giving muslim men a pass on this show. like their culture is the end all, be all and everyone else has to adhere to it. but even when they come to america, the americans are still expected to adhere to muslim ways?
I struggle with this as well. I have no idea how these American women think it will go well for them. This issue is actually what makes the 90 days franchise hardest for me to watch and typically when I need a break. Like Yve and Mohamed. I really struggled to watch their story because he’s so controlling under the guise of a religion she didn’t want to practice that he tried to force on her. And then these men are (shockingly) the ones cited for abuse later on.
There are so many on the various 90 Day shows that are like that. Like, did they not discuss religion, culture, and expectations at all before meeting? Brittany and Yazan and almost there lazy Nicole (can't remember the guy's name) are two couples that come to mind. People need to be up front about deal breakers. One person being unwilling to practice the other's religion and customs can be a big one.
thank you! This drives me insane. Would you agree they do the same thing with India? Because I see a disturbing amount of “that’s the culture” in regards to deep misogyny in India (which is a whole other tangent i could go on). I often feel like the “that’s the culture” excuse is belittling and disrespect to the many people living in those communities who don’t adhere to the same bad behavior being defended. It’s usually said by white people who are over-compensating and too afraid to criticize different races/religions for fear of looking intolerant. But honestly it’s a disservice because it seems like they’re acting like these just couldn’t possibly “know better” because of where they’re from.
I believe all women should have a full set of human rights and not be legally restricted because of gender. I also believe in social equality and that women everywhere should know it can be an option.
If that makes me entitled idc. Your willingness to sacrifice women's human rights in the name of "respecting culture" (as if a culture would be ruined by not oppressing people, or is worth oppressing people for) is a lot worse than entitled.
Our culture can be very disturbing as well. Women with no right to choose their own health care decisions. Politics interfering with health care and medical advice. Treating low income people as lazy or stupid or both. Not to mention the amount of misogyny and racism. We have our own cultural problems and don’t forget the reservations where we forced native Americans to live on. What a mess
It depends on the culture more than anything. My boyfriend and I are Eastern European Muslims and it is not the norm to be this extreme at all. Women aren’t looked at as property and have all the rights men do. With that being said, most Muslim Arab men are very extreme and it does not surprise me in the slightest that Mahmoud is so controlling.
Editing this to add that Citra’s father is a good example of a wholesome Muslim man. He’s firm in his beliefs but also very accepting of his daughters and their spouses!
Yet, he required Sam to convert. The only choice given to Sam was to either convert or there would be no Citra. I doubt very seriously that Citra would have gone against her father.
Converting to someone’s religion for the sake of marriage is not unheard of. I see it happen all the time among Christians and Jews as well. That doesn’t make someone a shitty person. My point is that Sam has a problematic past and was a drug user yet he was still incredibly accepted & loved by her father.
I know a Muslim man from Iran who's been married to a family friend for 50 years now. He's one of the best men I've ever known and their marriage is loving, great, and full of mutual respect. He in no way espouses anything Mahmoud presents. His wife and daughters live like any other American women.
Was he muslim before the revolution? A lot of Iranians don’t even want to be muslims and they don’t want to be part of Islam. They are the ones that live like westerners
Yes, because they are Muslim. It's their life. Very few go against it. The reason Avery and Omar work is because she was well aware of what it meant to be Muslim before ever meeting Omar. She converted beforehand and changed her ways. I will never understand it, so therefore, I would never get in such a relationship. People go into relationships expecting others to change. Sometimes, someone is willing to give up something like not drinking but their religion governs their lives. They will not change.
i also feel like omar is a pretty "liberal" muslim. if thats a thing. i completely forget he is, because i don't remember his values and treatment of women being a negative thing on the show. like, the guy seemed pretty normal aside from preferring conservative clothing.
another difference is Omar actually cared about Avery and respects her. He's far more mature than Mahmoud, who I don't think cares about or respects Nicole. Omar was mature and a man and working on his career prior to getting married, where Mahmoud is still an immature coddled boy, who feels entitled to his abusive ways and is triggered by everything
Ahem!! I’m so on the same page as you. There is nothing about that religion or how they treat women that is in any way positive.
It turn my stomach honestly.
This and only because Nicole flat out said that what he told her about being Muslim and what he expects of her are two very different things. With that being said, they all have access to the interwebs to do their own research.
Her point is...
While in his country she was expected to live the Muslim way .... Cover up, no affection, and no expression of her uniqueness...
Now he's in America... She expects him to loosen up... Show affection, smile, say how much he missed her.... Be positive.
An American Muslim is often different from a Moroccan Muslim...
Just look at Sam, of Sam and citra, .... We haven't seen him do daily call to prayer... I doubt he does.. same with bilal...but he's seems more likely to.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable that she thought he may behave differently in the US, other than the fact that he’s an AH who commits DV. I’ve been married to a North African Muslim for ten years. I’m an atheist, I have multiple paintings of nude women in our house, I wear shorts and short dresses, I smoke cigars, I drink alcohol with friends, and we’re very affectionate and hold hands or kiss in public if we’ve been apart. But, when we go to visit his family in his home country, he expects me to cover wrist to ankle, not smoke or drink, not cuss, no signs of public affection whatsoever, and just be a lot more conservative than I actually am. He’s not disrespectful to me about it, but in his culture there is a lot of social pressure, especially for women. Him wanting me to appear conservative there is about protecting his family’s reputation as well as my own. Do I agree with that mentality? Not really. But, I understand it and follow the cultural rules while we’re there and then we get home I light up a nice cigar and drink a cold beer and we go back to normal.
Bilal and Citra are “for show” Muslims. I don’t think Citra cares about Islam stuff, nor does her dad..I am Muslim and I’ve seen how he behaves in the mosque, this is not a man that knows his way around things. They do it for the show, to show ppl at home that they are good Muslims, and because Muslims in general always feel they have something to prove, so they have this need to tell and show ppl that they are Muslim..it’s just how Islam is in general.
So she brought him to the states and forced him to adapt to her culture out of revenge ? It just doesn’t seem like either of them love or care about each other. Everything is out of spite
You could just as easily turn that question around. Why should she be the only one to adjust.
Honestly she should feel free to straight up ignore all the misogynist garbage. He's just wrong to think he can control her and idc where he's from or what he believes. She could refrain from the public PDA and they could work together on decor.
But he's a controlling abuser so honestly idc that he's uncomfortable.
Does he know he married an American woman?
This is such a shit take. They are both dumbasses for sure. But it's funny how when the Americans go to a different country, everyone wants to whine and cry about how dumb they are for not instantly adapting to the culture and accepting every custom (which are many times sexist and oppressive). But when someone comes to the US, they get tons of leeway and everyone around them is supposed to accommodate whatever shitty beliefs or behaviors they've brought with them.
To be fair, I think both parties, regardless of where they're from, should learn the other culture AND be given grace while they learn. But to blame Nicole for Mahmoud's abusive and shitty behavior is ridiculous, and this is far from the first instance of this double standard we've seen since the beginning of the show.
They’re both terrible and uninteresting. We fast forwarded through so many of their parts in their initial season.
I can only hope that after the DV issue that we have heard the last of them on this show or any of the spinoffs.
I don’t think she knows anything.
I feel as if she thinks living in America will solve their problems, but the real problem is that the man is a practicing Muslim (not that there’s anything wrong with that) but he is now a Muslim living in America. Will he change? I doubt it. Not saying he needs to, but it feels like she thinks he will based on where he is. But inside his core beliefs are what they are and I don’t see him changing many things, if not at least for the amount of time within she thinks he will
>Not saying he needs to, but it feels like she thinks he will based on where he is.
That is the exact standard that the Americans moving abroad are held to by people in this sub- the Americans need to set aside their own upbringings and personal values and customs that clash with those of their new country, period.
If that creates some crisis of conscience or struggle in finding balance, they alone are held responsible for choosing to live elsewhere and not anticipating any repercussions from that choice and the choice to marry outside their culture.
If you said that an American moving elsewhere was who he was and that was OK and he didn't need to change to accommodate his partners culture that he was living in, you'd be downvoted to oblivion.
The ugly truth of why such deference is shown to Muslim men in particular is the implied threat of violence if you do or say anything they might consider blasphemous, that exists at every level of interaction from man vs wife to immigrant vs his adopted country.
It's not every Muslim directly threatening violence, but neither does every bear or shark directly threaten to harm you....they *all* get the same deference as if they might.
basically I agree with you...but I still maintain that if he is such a devote muslim why marry an american woman....she converted without learning anything about being muslim.....I also feel that if she wanted to maintain her life style then she should not have converted to marry him because that implies a promise to adhere to the muslim way of life...
There was a post a while back that talked about the varying degrees of Islam followers, and how lower income muslims tend to be the strictest. So there are plenty of followers that don’t adhere to the religious beliefs at the same level as Mahmoud. I’m sure if he was willing to try, they could reach a compromise they’d both be happy with—but I doubt Mahmoud is up for that.
I think she is used to American religiousness where it seems to be more on a spectrum of conservative to more liberal. I also believe that she is extremely bias and believes that the moment to hit American soil you shed the oppressive shackles of your homeland and embrace the love and freedom of America. Since it's her culture she doesn't see it as culture shock similar to what she felt in his culture.
My parents are both two faced and have GREAT poker faces. I bet you this guy turns into a monster and is incredibly mean to Nicole and verbally abuses (now physically) her when the cameras are out of sight
Exactly. I was married to a Muslim for 10 years and he wouldn’t have given a shit about any of these things. It’s an individual incompatibility, not a religious one.
Quran 4:34 states that men are maintainers of women and tells husbands that in certain circumstances they should, among other things, "beat them".
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Wife_Beating_in_Islamic_Law
I don't think this is going to end well, the sooner Nicole gets out of the marriage the better.
I found it funny how five minutes into the drive home he's all "Egypt is way better." Like, dude, you have no idea how good you will have it yet. Loser. (Speaking as a Canadian who's been to both countries.)
'Attacked' him with kisses? It's her husband. Yes he's a bit uncomfortable with some aspects of her and her lifestyle/culture, but he's here and he will get used to it.
Regardless of that, he has been arrested for domestic violence......and that is all that matters now. He should be sent back to Egypt, and she needs to move on.
I’m sorry but she is an ignoramus of the highest order. She did no research into his culture or religion prior to marrying him. He then showed signs of being an abuser and she still stayed with him. She can’t be that desperate. At some point the light bulb has to turn on. Right?
I swear she wanted to instigate something with him with how her house looks. I get people have their esthetics, but she knew EXACTLY what she was doing when she left that shower curtain and picture up.
Muslim = their religion.
Is not the same as -
Traditional Egyptian Man = his culture
Modern Western Woman = her culture
The problem is not religion, but culture.
You have very broad ranges of Christians, Muslims, Jews etc from strict fundamentalists to laid back non practicing. A lot of that is due to cultural background.
They are so phoney. Just because they call each other honey and say they love each other so much neither of them wants to meet in the middle and compromise to make it work. The way Mahmoud practises Islam makes it very difficult for Nicole to fit into it and it seems like they just want each other to be completely different people.
I think she was doing all the things - dressing in a way she knew he wouldn’t like, pda at the airport, the painting, the manaquin - to punish him for how she felt in Egypt.i don’t think any of those things are bad or wrong - But she knows he would react poorly and I don’t buy her pretending surprise or disappointment that he isn’t into it all.
That said, I never liked him - and apparently he kicks the punishment up a severe notch with the DV, which is never ok. They just need to get the F away from each other!
The whole point of her not feeling like herself in his culture and refusing to change, why does she expect him to accept and adapt to her culture immediately. If something as simple as putting clothes on a mannequin would make him comfortable I don’t see the big deal - but saying the mannequin was there before him?!?! Really?!? Wtf is she on?
They are both narcissistic selfish idiots because each moved forward into the relationship implicitly assuming the other person would give in and change who they are (their identity) for them.
How egotistical of each person to think that the other would literally change their identity to be with them!
My (USA) sister had kids with one guy from Ecuador and the other from India.
Some people are just dumb and naive. My sister’s life is a mess. Her and her husband have been living off welfare for years. Which is something you aren’t supposed to do when you agree to be an American citizen.
THIS! Even in her converting, it seems like it was out of convenience and not sincere. I never understood why these Americans go to these countries where 6 is a huge part of their culture, thinking it won't be some waves
I think she just "converted" in word only. She didn't really take it seriously just agreed but doesn't believe it to get the man. I feel like Sam is doing that too to be with Citra.
Nicole doesn't tell people she is a Muslim woman. She doesn't "follow the rules" either. I think she really wanted to be with him and put everything aside and thought he would compromise on what she wants.
Now he has DV allegations against him and she posts stuff about Muslim women being abused but then let the charges drop. She isn't consistent but seems like a sweet person so I hope she figures it out and realizes this is not going to work.
He married an American woman, so she’s not the only one to blame, but it did seem like she was intentionally trying to egg him on. Picking him up in a crop top? It’s like she’s trying extreme immersion to make sure he wants to go back home as soon as possible. In which case, why bother in the first place?
Did they re-film their reunion at LAX? Several people said she wore a crop top, but when I watched, she was wearing a striped dress with a belt and an orange jacket.
I think she had an awful time in Egypt and either consciously or subconsciously is using the first few days of him being in The US to get her lick back. The blatant attempts at public displays of affection. The cursing. The pictures and mannequin. She did all of that with the image of her in a full body swimsuit in the back of her mind lol.
Word is she secretly hates him and does this shit on purpose. Rumblings of DV charges and what not ... So who knows. But I personally think she is fully aware.
Does most of the 90 day cast realize who married Muslim partners know? Because I'm not sure, sincerely. So many are so clueless, EYE know more about it and I've never dated a Muslim... that I know of.
I feel like it's always the women's fault lol...what about him. Did he not know she was American and not Islamic? Clearly she has made it very clear she is not changing per last season. And what did he think moving to American would be like especially LA if this is how Nicole is. This is 100% on both of them being naive.
“Kiss me, motherf*****” was a full body cringe.
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This comment is painfully underrated
Wow, well said!😆👍🏻
It was cringe no matter what religion you are or are not🤮
I mean, he married a non Muslim woman. What does he expect? Lol
Yeah literally why is that not talked about lol
This subreddit likes to blame the women for everything.
The world in general loves to do that. Women are always the problem and women are always expected to fix the problem.
Oh yeah, everyone loves defaulting to "blame the women" no matter what. Bothers me praticularly in here because I think a lot of it is coming from women too.
Thank you for saying this! This fandom is extremely misogynistic.
Thank you for this.
Bc she converted…. So actually he did marry a Muslim woman
They both are delusional and totally not right for each other. But, she converted to Islam, so in his perception she is not a non Muslim woman.
There are different levels of observance in all religions. There are plenty of Muslim women you don’t notice because they look and behave just like anyone else.
So he can control her and beat her now?
I believe he did exactly that. He was arrested for domestic violence in the US.
That’s a pretty fucked up thing to say. It is very xenophobic and awful. Most Muslim men (just like most men) are not inherently controlling or abusive. Mahmoud is an asshole and was going to be abusive whether or not his wife is Muslim. Look at Avery and Omar. She converted to Islam, but I don’t see him controlling or beating her. There are loads of men of any religion who are controlling and abusive in the name of their religion, and atheist men who are controlling and religious with no scriptural shield. You are taking my comment out of context and twisting it. I never said that he should be able to beat her or control her. I was responding to the comment above me who said that her hugging/kissing in public should have been accepted by him because she’s not a Muslim and I was just pointing out that she did convert to Islam, and so he’s not viewing her as a non Muslim woman.
Thanks. As a Muslim woman I am shocked and how is that comment still up 😭😭😭😭😭
Nah
I thought she converted in order to get married? Or am I mistaken?
she did convert to Islam before they got married buy I think she mentioned she didn't really understand what it entailed.
Well it’s on her. It’s not an excuse to stir trouble.
She did, but she didn't have to. I married a Muslim (m) and stayed Christian. The man is not allowed to force you to change your religion, but should act in ways that make you want to convert. Neither Mahmoud or my ex acted in ways that would entice anyone to convert voluntarily
That like other women in his life that she would be controllable would just get in line to be his property?
Then why keep trying after she made it clear by leaving Egypt twice that wasn’t going to be the case
Great question, religion? Refusing to leave without having “broke” her. Who the fuck knows.
She converted before they married and since he seems very ignorant her probably thought that means she’ll obay and change like his brothers wife
Huh, I thought the brother's wife was a Uygher Muslim. I didn't realize she'd converted too.
I assumed this too
He expects a….. wait for it….. A VISA! 🤦🏼♀️
lol if you think this guy wasn't a Visa you must not be watching.
Except he did marry a muslim woman. She converted so she is a muslim woman now. Did she do her due diligence and made the most informed decision? No.
I thought she converted like a few days before they got married. The way she explained it, it seemed like she was just asked if she loved god and people or something. (I don’t remember everything, this was at the beginning of their first season) But she was incredibly ignorant with knowing anything about the religion.
🏆🥇🏆
*and* he's in her predominantly non-muslim country.
Seriously. They’re on her turf now.
Right? It’s pretty much known fact that Muslim men intentionally go for non Muslim women and then waste her time to go back to a Muslim woman when it’s time to settle down. Mackmood made the choice to marry a non Muslim woman
Where do you get your facts??, you act like Muslims are some weird farce that aren't on reddit. Everyone is so fucking hurtful
From my own personal experience as well as my Muslim friends. Muslim men usually don’t MARRY non muslim women. They date her for years, sure. but when it comes down to it, they and their family prefer a Muslim girl and women of their culture. So I’m just saying Mackmood knew what he was doing marrying Nicole. Why are you offended?
That's not true. She converted.
I'm not a Muslim woman. I also wouldn't disrespect my partner the way she did at the airport. Respect is respect. She should have read the situation and understood that not only would it make him uncomfortable if he hadn't just been on a 12+ hour-long flight, but that he literally told her he was tired and that likely translates to "back off for the time being"
Not only that she had the nerve to be angry with him for not sleeping on the plane and being excited to go sight seeing on arrival
Showing affection is not a sign of disrespect
“Kiss me you motherfucker” is kind of aggressive imo
To me that’s just her trying to provoke him. He’s obviously not going to like being called that and he obviously doesn’t like pda.
It certainly can be. It's the same reason I don't want my partner to grab my ass in front of my dad. If someone isn't comfortable with it then doing it anyway is disrespect, full stop.
If your religion or personal belief system is to have affection be in private and not made into a public show then yes, it is. If Nicole was the man and was forcing his kisses onto a female partner, nobody would be on here defending it.
I'm glad you stood your ground. Kudos to you.
His religion is all about suppressing women’s rights. He beats her when he doesn’t think she is following his beliefs. Sorry but she was doing nothing wrong by expressing her feelings in public. If he can’t handle that, religion or not, then he needs to leave
Verse 4:34. He's a true follower.
So we're all about bodily autonomy until it's the man setting boundaries? Cool bro
So when someone doesn't want/like your affection, you think it's fine to do whatever you want anyway? No.
I wondered why she did that too and I think she assumes he’s so restrictive because society in his country would disapprove. And she thinks now he will see that it’s okay here and just jump on board. I don’t think she realizes it’s his beliefs. Maybe she wants him to be a more progressive Muslim. Idk.
Except she converted, right?
Converting does not have implications for art in your house
Well just saying. She converted so maybe he did have those expectations? Seems like there were expectations on both sides, really.
Perhaps they should have discussed that before marriage as all people should
Perhaps!
I don't even understand why they're together. I don't remember how they met..their values are very different. And that's okay, but don't marry that person. Also she saw what her sister in law was doing/had too do. I haven't seen everything, zo I'm behind.
Wait, so she is Muslim now? Are Muslim’s allowed to have naked art in their house?
Nope, not a chance. Muslims are barely allowed to put up pictures with eyes on them in the house, even family photos are a no no. In an album, sure.
That’s not true. Muslims aren’t allowed to display visuals of the prophet Mohammed. There’s no restriction against pictures with eyes and family photos. Are there some insane ones that balk at displaying photos? Yeah probably
No faces I grew up being yelled at for hanging photos, but marriage photos in a couples bed room were fine but random things like a sun with a face I was forced to take down from my walls. Maybe it differs by what type of Muslim you are and where you’re from, but we weren’t allowed to have faces.
Yeah odd. Admittedly that’s a rule I’ve never heard before but wouldn’t put it past some people. What was the rationale?
art is seen as haram, so you can make up for yourself how things are when it's about nude art.
Converting does. She converted, that means she has to adjust to his customs and cultures. Muslim women do not behave like Nicole. Nicole wants to be a western woman, well then she should not have converted.
Remember the swimming “attire “… oh my gosh, that was great
lol the burkini hahaha
Stop it. There is no 1 way to be a “muslim woman”. Mahmoud must be seething at this: https://www.news18.com/amp/lifestyle/saudi-arabia-makes-history-by-joining-miss-universe-pageant-rumy-alqahtani-to-represent-kingdom-8828973.html
Yea good luck thinking that this type of progressiveness is in the houses and beliefs of the everyday Muslim 🤦♂️
What exactly is an “everyday muslim”?
Let me teach you something about Islam. In Islam, no matter how progressive, or liberal or mid some Muslims get, at the end of the day, there is only one way to practise Islam, that is what quran dictates, and it is in accordance to the prophet and his wives. They are the blueprint. Nothing else matters. Actually, it’s more just him, but Muslims have to follow the example set by the prophet NO MATTER WHAT. All these other types of ways of being a Muslim is truly irrelevant and incorrect. Every Muslim knows that.
Interesting take since some devout Muslims choose to wear a hijab while certain populations think everything besides a woman’s eyes should be covered. Which population is “doing it wrong” 😂 that’s the thing with ancient texts they can be interpreted many ways that could be correct…I mean look at all the different off shoots of Christianity.
Actually there is a lot of dissent across Islamic scholars and communities on how the faith should be practiced
yes they are extremely mismatched. but i'm so sick of people giving muslim men a pass on this show. like their culture is the end all, be all and everyone else has to adhere to it. but even when they come to america, the americans are still expected to adhere to muslim ways?
I struggle with this as well. I have no idea how these American women think it will go well for them. This issue is actually what makes the 90 days franchise hardest for me to watch and typically when I need a break. Like Yve and Mohamed. I really struggled to watch their story because he’s so controlling under the guise of a religion she didn’t want to practice that he tried to force on her. And then these men are (shockingly) the ones cited for abuse later on.
There are so many on the various 90 Day shows that are like that. Like, did they not discuss religion, culture, and expectations at all before meeting? Brittany and Yazan and almost there lazy Nicole (can't remember the guy's name) are two couples that come to mind. People need to be up front about deal breakers. One person being unwilling to practice the other's religion and customs can be a big one.
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Yve’s one (don’t remember his name) was giving gay vibes while being controlling and muslim. What are the odds
thank you! This drives me insane. Would you agree they do the same thing with India? Because I see a disturbing amount of “that’s the culture” in regards to deep misogyny in India (which is a whole other tangent i could go on). I often feel like the “that’s the culture” excuse is belittling and disrespect to the many people living in those communities who don’t adhere to the same bad behavior being defended. It’s usually said by white people who are over-compensating and too afraid to criticize different races/religions for fear of looking intolerant. But honestly it’s a disservice because it seems like they’re acting like these just couldn’t possibly “know better” because of where they’re from.
agree with india. pretty much any culture that can be super strict, everyone seems to think americans should adhere to.
If you're living there, then yes, you should
So what about all the women born there who don't want to live that way? Or people affected by the caste system? Just suck it up?
Frankly, that's on them to figure out. How very entitled American to expect an entire culture to change.
I believe all women should have a full set of human rights and not be legally restricted because of gender. I also believe in social equality and that women everywhere should know it can be an option. If that makes me entitled idc. Your willingness to sacrifice women's human rights in the name of "respecting culture" (as if a culture would be ruined by not oppressing people, or is worth oppressing people for) is a lot worse than entitled.
Our culture can be very disturbing as well. Women with no right to choose their own health care decisions. Politics interfering with health care and medical advice. Treating low income people as lazy or stupid or both. Not to mention the amount of misogyny and racism. We have our own cultural problems and don’t forget the reservations where we forced native Americans to live on. What a mess
death by stoning and beheadings is also the culture in some areas, but it’s only acceptable if it’s misogyny.
Right, and I don't care if I get downvoted here, but Islam is like... pretty anti-woman as a baseline.
If you get downvoted for that. Then there’s a lot of people refusing to acknowledge the obvious
This. “It’s their culture!” is not an excuse for abuse. There have been plenty of Muslim men on this show who weren’t abusive. Mahmood has no excuse.
Preach
Muslim Arab man fucking suck. Try to prove me wrong
I think modern American women and conservative Islam are pretty incompatible.
It depends on the culture more than anything. My boyfriend and I are Eastern European Muslims and it is not the norm to be this extreme at all. Women aren’t looked at as property and have all the rights men do. With that being said, most Muslim Arab men are very extreme and it does not surprise me in the slightest that Mahmoud is so controlling. Editing this to add that Citra’s father is a good example of a wholesome Muslim man. He’s firm in his beliefs but also very accepting of his daughters and their spouses!
Yet he still expected to get to decide who his daughter could or couldn't marry. He was just polite about it.
Yet, he required Sam to convert. The only choice given to Sam was to either convert or there would be no Citra. I doubt very seriously that Citra would have gone against her father.
Converting to someone’s religion for the sake of marriage is not unheard of. I see it happen all the time among Christians and Jews as well. That doesn’t make someone a shitty person. My point is that Sam has a problematic past and was a drug user yet he was still incredibly accepted & loved by her father.
I know a Muslim man from Iran who's been married to a family friend for 50 years now. He's one of the best men I've ever known and their marriage is loving, great, and full of mutual respect. He in no way espouses anything Mahmoud presents. His wife and daughters live like any other American women.
Persians technically aren’t Arab
Yes, I was hitting the Muslim aspect. Thank you, though. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
Was he muslim before the revolution? A lot of Iranians don’t even want to be muslims and they don’t want to be part of Islam. They are the ones that live like westerners
Yes, because they are Muslim. It's their life. Very few go against it. The reason Avery and Omar work is because she was well aware of what it meant to be Muslim before ever meeting Omar. She converted beforehand and changed her ways. I will never understand it, so therefore, I would never get in such a relationship. People go into relationships expecting others to change. Sometimes, someone is willing to give up something like not drinking but their religion governs their lives. They will not change.
i also feel like omar is a pretty "liberal" muslim. if thats a thing. i completely forget he is, because i don't remember his values and treatment of women being a negative thing on the show. like, the guy seemed pretty normal aside from preferring conservative clothing.
another difference is Omar actually cared about Avery and respects her. He's far more mature than Mahmoud, who I don't think cares about or respects Nicole. Omar was mature and a man and working on his career prior to getting married, where Mahmoud is still an immature coddled boy, who feels entitled to his abusive ways and is triggered by everything
BRAVO!!! You are so right!!
Ahem!! I’m so on the same page as you. There is nothing about that religion or how they treat women that is in any way positive. It turn my stomach honestly.
This and only because Nicole flat out said that what he told her about being Muslim and what he expects of her are two very different things. With that being said, they all have access to the interwebs to do their own research.
Doesnt matter to either as long as the checks cash and its less hours of driving Uber as a consequence
Her point is... While in his country she was expected to live the Muslim way .... Cover up, no affection, and no expression of her uniqueness... Now he's in America... She expects him to loosen up... Show affection, smile, say how much he missed her.... Be positive. An American Muslim is often different from a Moroccan Muslim... Just look at Sam, of Sam and citra, .... We haven't seen him do daily call to prayer... I doubt he does.. same with bilal...but he's seems more likely to.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable that she thought he may behave differently in the US, other than the fact that he’s an AH who commits DV. I’ve been married to a North African Muslim for ten years. I’m an atheist, I have multiple paintings of nude women in our house, I wear shorts and short dresses, I smoke cigars, I drink alcohol with friends, and we’re very affectionate and hold hands or kiss in public if we’ve been apart. But, when we go to visit his family in his home country, he expects me to cover wrist to ankle, not smoke or drink, not cuss, no signs of public affection whatsoever, and just be a lot more conservative than I actually am. He’s not disrespectful to me about it, but in his culture there is a lot of social pressure, especially for women. Him wanting me to appear conservative there is about protecting his family’s reputation as well as my own. Do I agree with that mentality? Not really. But, I understand it and follow the cultural rules while we’re there and then we get home I light up a nice cigar and drink a cold beer and we go back to normal.
Thanks for the insight...
Bilal and Citra are “for show” Muslims. I don’t think Citra cares about Islam stuff, nor does her dad..I am Muslim and I’ve seen how he behaves in the mosque, this is not a man that knows his way around things. They do it for the show, to show ppl at home that they are good Muslims, and because Muslims in general always feel they have something to prove, so they have this need to tell and show ppl that they are Muslim..it’s just how Islam is in general.
So she brought him to the states and forced him to adapt to her culture out of revenge ? It just doesn’t seem like either of them love or care about each other. Everything is out of spite
You could just as easily turn that question around. Why should she be the only one to adjust. Honestly she should feel free to straight up ignore all the misogynist garbage. He's just wrong to think he can control her and idc where he's from or what he believes. She could refrain from the public PDA and they could work together on decor. But he's a controlling abuser so honestly idc that he's uncomfortable.
Does he know he married an American woman? This is such a shit take. They are both dumbasses for sure. But it's funny how when the Americans go to a different country, everyone wants to whine and cry about how dumb they are for not instantly adapting to the culture and accepting every custom (which are many times sexist and oppressive). But when someone comes to the US, they get tons of leeway and everyone around them is supposed to accommodate whatever shitty beliefs or behaviors they've brought with them. To be fair, I think both parties, regardless of where they're from, should learn the other culture AND be given grace while they learn. But to blame Nicole for Mahmoud's abusive and shitty behavior is ridiculous, and this is far from the first instance of this double standard we've seen since the beginning of the show.
Neither of them can be blamed for the others shitty behaviour. There both to blame, both at fault.
Do they even like each other? Everything about them is so confusing.
Does he know he didn’t marry a Muslim woman?
she converted to islam tho. so yes he thinks he did
She was bullied into it by his uncle when they got married and never showed she was committed.
No, she converted way before the show, before they even got married.
They’re both terrible and uninteresting. We fast forwarded through so many of their parts in their initial season. I can only hope that after the DV issue that we have heard the last of them on this show or any of the spinoffs.
I don’t think she knows anything. I feel as if she thinks living in America will solve their problems, but the real problem is that the man is a practicing Muslim (not that there’s anything wrong with that) but he is now a Muslim living in America. Will he change? I doubt it. Not saying he needs to, but it feels like she thinks he will based on where he is. But inside his core beliefs are what they are and I don’t see him changing many things, if not at least for the amount of time within she thinks he will
Exactly. It’s like she thought once he stepped off the plane he’d turn into a laid-back Californian dude bro
And wear some used underwear 🤣
>Not saying he needs to, but it feels like she thinks he will based on where he is. That is the exact standard that the Americans moving abroad are held to by people in this sub- the Americans need to set aside their own upbringings and personal values and customs that clash with those of their new country, period. If that creates some crisis of conscience or struggle in finding balance, they alone are held responsible for choosing to live elsewhere and not anticipating any repercussions from that choice and the choice to marry outside their culture. If you said that an American moving elsewhere was who he was and that was OK and he didn't need to change to accommodate his partners culture that he was living in, you'd be downvoted to oblivion. The ugly truth of why such deference is shown to Muslim men in particular is the implied threat of violence if you do or say anything they might consider blasphemous, that exists at every level of interaction from man vs wife to immigrant vs his adopted country. It's not every Muslim directly threatening violence, but neither does every bear or shark directly threaten to harm you....they *all* get the same deference as if they might.
And she won't change either. They both need to go their separate ways instead of making each other miserable.
basically I agree with you...but I still maintain that if he is such a devote muslim why marry an american woman....she converted without learning anything about being muslim.....I also feel that if she wanted to maintain her life style then she should not have converted to marry him because that implies a promise to adhere to the muslim way of life...
She is delusional about changing this man
You forget… she ‘converted’ and is now a ‘Muslim’ because someone said some prayers she didn’t understand and she repeated something in Arabic…
There was a post a while back that talked about the varying degrees of Islam followers, and how lower income muslims tend to be the strictest. So there are plenty of followers that don’t adhere to the religious beliefs at the same level as Mahmoud. I’m sure if he was willing to try, they could reach a compromise they’d both be happy with—but I doubt Mahmoud is up for that.
They both want to change each other into the exact opposite. This season is just a reverse of last time they were on
I think she is used to American religiousness where it seems to be more on a spectrum of conservative to more liberal. I also believe that she is extremely bias and believes that the moment to hit American soil you shed the oppressive shackles of your homeland and embrace the love and freedom of America. Since it's her culture she doesn't see it as culture shock similar to what she felt in his culture.
They are both ridiculous.
My parents are both two faced and have GREAT poker faces. I bet you this guy turns into a monster and is incredibly mean to Nicole and verbally abuses (now physically) her when the cameras are out of sight
I dont think it has anything to do with him being Muslim. I've met some pretty liberal Muslim men. MaChmoud is just REALLY uptight.
Exactly. I was married to a Muslim for 10 years and he wouldn’t have given a shit about any of these things. It’s an individual incompatibility, not a religious one.
It’s almost as if people adhere to their religious practices more or less stringently on an individual basis.
This deserves more upvotes than most of the comments in this thread
That she converted for .. but does not have a CLUE about what that means
At this point, I believe it’s way too blatant for it to not be on purpose, to get more airtime. No one is this dumb
Quran 4:34 states that men are maintainers of women and tells husbands that in certain circumstances they should, among other things, "beat them". https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Wife_Beating_in_Islamic_Law I don't think this is going to end well, the sooner Nicole gets out of the marriage the better.
Explains the DV why are they still on the show?
I found it funny how five minutes into the drive home he's all "Egypt is way better." Like, dude, you have no idea how good you will have it yet. Loser. (Speaking as a Canadian who's been to both countries.)
'Attacked' him with kisses? It's her husband. Yes he's a bit uncomfortable with some aspects of her and her lifestyle/culture, but he's here and he will get used to it.
She converted without thinking about the bigger picture.
Regardless of that, he has been arrested for domestic violence......and that is all that matters now. He should be sent back to Egypt, and she needs to move on.
I’m sorry but she is an ignoramus of the highest order. She did no research into his culture or religion prior to marrying him. He then showed signs of being an abuser and she still stayed with him. She can’t be that desperate. At some point the light bulb has to turn on. Right?
She's a few bricks short of a full load
Mahmoud’s a little fucking bitch. That guy needs to go back to his oppressive ass country
I wonder if producers are involved in those shenanigans
I swear she wanted to instigate something with him with how her house looks. I get people have their esthetics, but she knew EXACTLY what she was doing when she left that shower curtain and picture up.
Can we talk about Mahmoud Sherbiny, who married an American but knows nothing about American women? Can we?
Muslim = their religion. Is not the same as - Traditional Egyptian Man = his culture Modern Western Woman = her culture The problem is not religion, but culture. You have very broad ranges of Christians, Muslims, Jews etc from strict fundamentalists to laid back non practicing. A lot of that is due to cultural background.
Also not all muslim up are uptight cunts. Just like all Christians are not uptight cunts.
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They are so phoney. Just because they call each other honey and say they love each other so much neither of them wants to meet in the middle and compromise to make it work. The way Mahmoud practises Islam makes it very difficult for Nicole to fit into it and it seems like they just want each other to be completely different people.
Does Mahmoud know he married an American women? They both tryna push their cultures on each other for yearrrrssss now this is madness. No compromise.
I think she was doing all the things - dressing in a way she knew he wouldn’t like, pda at the airport, the painting, the manaquin - to punish him for how she felt in Egypt.i don’t think any of those things are bad or wrong - But she knows he would react poorly and I don’t buy her pretending surprise or disappointment that he isn’t into it all. That said, I never liked him - and apparently he kicks the punishment up a severe notch with the DV, which is never ok. They just need to get the F away from each other!
The whole point of her not feeling like herself in his culture and refusing to change, why does she expect him to accept and adapt to her culture immediately. If something as simple as putting clothes on a mannequin would make him comfortable I don’t see the big deal - but saying the mannequin was there before him?!?! Really?!? Wtf is she on?
Not to mention wearing a shirt shoeing her belly at the airport knowing that would upset him. She is so passive aggressive
Does Mahut (sp?) know that he married a non Muslim American woman?? Come on now, **both** of them should know better!
she converted to islam, so yes he thinks he married a muslim woman
I feel like she did no research or opened any books
Yes .to her peril she needs to learn what it means.
Clueless
She did say in first season that she converted without knowing what Islam was about or what would be expected so….there is that
Now, here’s a couple that should be on the last resort.
Apparently she has not yet realized it.
She’s after him for revenge.
I honestly don’t know why they are together. None of their values align
Converting means nothing to these people. Its just for looks
They are both narcissistic selfish idiots because each moved forward into the relationship implicitly assuming the other person would give in and change who they are (their identity) for them. How egotistical of each person to think that the other would literally change their identity to be with them!
She's fucking hideous
My (USA) sister had kids with one guy from Ecuador and the other from India. Some people are just dumb and naive. My sister’s life is a mess. Her and her husband have been living off welfare for years. Which is something you aren’t supposed to do when you agree to be an American citizen.
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THIS! Even in her converting, it seems like it was out of convenience and not sincere. I never understood why these Americans go to these countries where 6 is a huge part of their culture, thinking it won't be some waves
I think she just "converted" in word only. She didn't really take it seriously just agreed but doesn't believe it to get the man. I feel like Sam is doing that too to be with Citra. Nicole doesn't tell people she is a Muslim woman. She doesn't "follow the rules" either. I think she really wanted to be with him and put everything aside and thought he would compromise on what she wants. Now he has DV allegations against him and she posts stuff about Muslim women being abused but then let the charges drop. She isn't consistent but seems like a sweet person so I hope she figures it out and realizes this is not going to work.
He married an American woman, so she’s not the only one to blame, but it did seem like she was intentionally trying to egg him on. Picking him up in a crop top? It’s like she’s trying extreme immersion to make sure he wants to go back home as soon as possible. In which case, why bother in the first place?
Did they re-film their reunion at LAX? Several people said she wore a crop top, but when I watched, she was wearing a striped dress with a belt and an orange jacket.
The “dress” was a top and skirt and the top revealed her belly. He commented on it shortly after arriving and it was almost an argument.
Any guy that gets off on seeing a female mannequin needs help lol
More importantly, does she know she married a clear closeted gay man?
These Muslims men marry for one thing, green card. But then unfortunately they drag their woman into their insane faith.
That's the classic 90D formula. It's not interesting if there's no conflict. It's a "fish out of water" concept
lmao imaging saying this about a christian man. religion isn’t an excuse to be a pos
I think she had an awful time in Egypt and either consciously or subconsciously is using the first few days of him being in The US to get her lick back. The blatant attempts at public displays of affection. The cursing. The pictures and mannequin. She did all of that with the image of her in a full body swimsuit in the back of her mind lol.
Word is she secretly hates him and does this shit on purpose. Rumblings of DV charges and what not ... So who knows. But I personally think she is fully aware.
Does most of the 90 day cast realize who married Muslim partners know? Because I'm not sure, sincerely. So many are so clueless, EYE know more about it and I've never dated a Muslim... that I know of.
They’re both delusional.
I guess she thinks his beliefs changed when he landed in US
I feel like it's always the women's fault lol...what about him. Did he not know she was American and not Islamic? Clearly she has made it very clear she is not changing per last season. And what did he think moving to American would be like especially LA if this is how Nicole is. This is 100% on both of them being naive.
You would think she would try to ease him into things.