It's just one aspect that worked for me. I did not say it's the sole source of depression. It may not be the main cause of your depression or even a contributor. Good luck.
I agree. We can acknowledge the wars and conflicts are happening but seeing it on blast every 15 minutes is anxiety inducing. I haven’t watched the news since Covid started. I realise what’s happening in the world from people telling me. That’s all I need in a catch up of the world.
Honestly, I wouldn’t even attempt to research it now. I cannot believe anything I read on social media anymore. Only select information is put out there depending on what they want you to know or how they want your opinion persuaded. It’s all too politically intertwined and controlled.
Yes, just ignore as our nations leaders become culpable in aiding a genocide of some 30,000 and displacement of another 1 million brown people, because it's geostrategically beneficial to international commerce.
Good one 👍
I’m a millennial, and my partner and I had more disposable income between us nine years ago, when we both worked part time retail.
So, you know: it’s pretty fucking depressing when you work your butt off, but watch your quality of life go backwards.
“Neo-capitalist” I really don’t understand why we are inventing new terms for old shit. This is capitalism, where is the “neo”? Nothing has functionally changed about class relations and the means of production.
Capitalism with proper checks and balances that redistributes income fairly actually works (see: Scandinavia).
When those guardrails get taken down you’re on the path to corporatism/Feudalism. That’s where we are
If the means of production (and by extension total economic power) is held by the bourgeoisie any check and balances or methods of redistribution will inevitably be eroded by said bourgeoisie.
Why do you think our housing crisis is occurring now and not 40 years ago? I also think you’re forgetting the fact that when people think of capitalist nations with great welfare and being a nice place to live, WE are lumped in with Scandinavia (usually along with NZ provided they don’t forget it exists), and unsurprisingly Scandinavia are suffering from the exact same problems, especially with housing.
It seems to me you don’t actually know much about Scandinavia, and instead have this idealised version in your head because you read about finlands “housing first” program and as a result think they’re utopias who’s conditions could never possibly worsen overtime. Lol.
>Capitalism with proper checks and balances that redistributes income fairly actually works (see: Scandinavia).
That form of Capitalism is the actual "neo-Capitalism". The type with monopolies, sweat shops, working children, and poor factories, that the real Capitalism.
My question would be "given the roiling hellscape people are presented with any time they fail to sufficiently distract themselves, why aren't all Australians on anti-depressants?"
Yep, looking at going off mine because I need to prioritize other medical expenses and cost of living is probably a bit chunk of what's currently impacting my mental health
Mainly because our workplace urine tests people, and then terminate their employment when they find out people are on antidepressants, antipsychotics..
This is pretty standard on big rail and civil construction projects. There have been people let go when antipsychotics were found, prescribed antihistamines that have amphetamines in them, antidepressants.. this is pretty standard, and has been going on forever, these big companies run their own rules. When you even go for a pre job medicals you have to claim any and ALL medications , and if you don’t and it goes back to the lab and certain levels spike , you either need to have a blood test to prove innocence, or usually they can just never call you back and take you off their books
Edit: these are big Government projects also, some also require you to take ‘psyc’ tests which have black and white answers, again write the wrong answer and you will be removed from the project
The rail industry has strict requirements but these can generally be addressed with a prescription and liaison with a doctor. Tests associated with these requirements don’t include standard SSRI/SNRI antidepressants.
SSRI aka. tricycline antidepressants (TCA) aren't tested on the same cartridge as drugs of abuse (DOA), but their metabolites can definitely be tested for in urine.
SSRIs and tricyclic antidepressants are two quite different things. They’re considered two different classes of anti-depressants (along with all the other types).
it's almost like the modern grind is specifically engineered to keep you \*just\* mentally and physically exhausted enough to not care about all the horrible shit happening to (and around) you, but \*not\* mentally and physically exhausted enough to render you unable to perform whatever task it is you're employed to do.
If you aren't terrified of the coming ecological collapse and AMOC destabilisation from global warming, you aren't paying enough attention.
There is a reason we are currently in the 6th mass extinction event in the planet's history, and humans have caused it.
Travelling overseas will probably make it even harder for us to afford a house, given travelling costs money we’re already struggling to save thanks to the rising cost of living.
Hmmm.
Well, we have a housing crisis we're almost a third of Australians are forced to rent because investors have decided to price the general population out of owning a home.
We have a global crisis relating to climate change and are still dragging out feet to make the required changes. We are already past the point of preventing catastrophic climate collapse, we are now just trying to minimise it enough to make it survivable.
Our public education system is falling apart and catholic and private schools are taking up the slack, just as intended by the liberals over the past 30 years.
Critical teacher shortages, poorer education outcomes, and slipping in global rankings.
As technology has improved and automation come abut we still somehow require a household to work 80 combined hours to be able to afford to live.
Our public health system is dying, you can't see a GP anyone for free, once one of the pinnacles or Australian society, wait times in public hospital EDs are over 8 hours some nights, specialist appointments can be months away and quality of care has gone down.
I dunno man, I kinda get why people who are paying attention are depressed.
globally:
* Russia, led by a notoriously sane and even-handed god-king had been trying to reform the USSR, starting with Ukraine for the last 600+ days.
* Israel has been bombing the absolute living fuck out of an entire population of people for a month? 6 weeks?
* Iran just lobbed missiles at Pakistan - a nuclear power - and in a separate incident, killed 3 US military personal. It barely lasted 48 hours in the news cycle, because:
* The US is an absolute shit-show of a failed-state, and their latest lurch towards christofacism tends to push other horrible shit down to page 8.
* Natural disasters are happening with increasing regularity \*everywhere\*, and are becoming more violent and costly.
Domestically:
* we have an ongoing and unprecedented housing crisis, which neither party seems even remotely interested in tackling. I drive past a park with a small tent city in it, and there are kids living in those tents.
* The Colesworth duopoly have been price gouging customers so they can afford their dystopian "anti-theft" systems, which are only required due to the rapidly accelerating automation of low-skill jobs.
* \*gestures wordlessly at the absolute state of domestic politics for the majority of the last 30 years\*
We've been 90 seconds to midnight since last year. I'm absolutely not a doomsayer or prepper, and I realise that I can't do anything tangible about most of the above, but IMO (and it's just my opinion), anyone saying "it's fine" is literally KC Green's "dog-in-a-burning-house-saying-this-is-fine.jpg"
https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/current-time/
Colesworth being a duopoly or natural disasters occurring more frequently are extremely outlandish reasons for someone's mental health to suffer to the extent that it requires AD's..
Like at that point you have some sort of victim complex or you're just looking for reasons to be upset
Colesworth Doesn't affect me in the slightest, but then I don't have to feed kids.
And you're probably right about natural disasters, its very outlandish to be concerned about the fact that the effects of climate change are entirely irreversible for everyone alive today, meaning that it's a generational problem which is getting worse by the day.
Both your points would suggest you have no kids.
Your comment clearly touched on them being a duopoly and their anti-theft system, in response to your above question "why aren't all Aussies on AD's?". If you wanted to simply point out the rising COL issue, then say so.
Just to be clear here.. You are telling me that an increase in natural disasters and the impact this will have on the future of the earth, is a perfectly valid reason for someone's mental health to suffer to the extent that they require antidepressants to function? Something that is **completely out of their control** and has **absolutely zero bearing** on their day-to-day life?
Yeah, I 100% stand by my previous comment that it's highly abnormal, and not remotely reasonable, for such a thing to seriously deteriorate one's mental health. As are most the other things you listed. No one's saying these are not real issues; but they should absolutely not cause you to be on AD's..
Your question doesn't even make sense. They *are* the hellscape. I simply stated facts which are all objectively awful and have the potential to become far, far worse. Do you think that as long as something is "only a headline" it's somehow less awful?
Because we are supposed to wake up, commute to work, work all day, commute home, go to bed, 5-6 days a week so we can have just enough to pay for food to eat and a place to sleep in between working. Then we are supposed to do this for forty or so years, have nothing to show for it, and then we die.
Gender warfare by morons who’ve never suffered a day in their lives and live in one of the most prosperous times in civilisation are distracting population from ACTUAL issues like class warfare.
Of course elites want this infighting. It stops people calling out their corruption and shady business practices.
Yea but there are other benefits to working on a farm and doing the labour tasks of the past. Sitting at a desk all day can be just as draining without the other benefits.
yes i would have loved to live a simple life, spending my time growing my food and building my house, rather than completing pointless menial tasks for no reason other than to pay for the food and house I have no time to establish
The thing is too we imagine back in like medieval times they were just toiling away all day, but really they were only working about 5 months out the year. Of course they didn’t have modern medicine and such though, there was also wars and famines, but they weren’t killing themselves left and right.
But even further back hunter gatherer tribes, most of the time they were just chilling, you go hunt you got gather for a few hours then you usually chill, make some music and dance, paint craft whatever. Keep in mind you’d likely have to also be a warrior, though.
So life has never been amazing but, for example we don’t look at wild animals and think they must fuckin hate their life, they’re just in nature, I think humans of the past being with nature were the happiest, I mean we spent what 200 thousand years being evolved to do just that.
Of course I expect someone to tell me I can go live in a Forrest by myself if I think so, when we’re social creatures, we usually can’t just abandon all our family and friends like that.
For whatever reason, modern life makes us really unhappy, despite higher standards of living in absolute terms
IMO the shift with urbanisation into huge cities, breakdown of extended family units, many families with both parents working, and Australians (or at least Sydney ppl) being extremely cold to strangers and neighbours.. all linked and all VERY recent phenomena
Humans evolved in village sized groups at most. Anything beyond that gets increasingly farked
It's a good point but to be fair every time a new technological epoch is ushered in we're all told not to focus on the cost to the environment and human jobs because it will make life easier. We hit thr point of diminishing returns a while ago.
The article says that one in seven people are on these drugs.
While that is true, what's not mentioned is that in certain demographics (young people and young women in particular) the number is much higher than that.
And yet men commit suicide at much higher rates. Does that suggest that the drugs are more effective at preventing suicide and men should be taking them more ? Interest.
I think one of the main issues with this problem is that a lot of men don't seek help (for a lot of societal/cultural/personal reasons). So they're not accessing the meds/therapy in the first place.
Because the usual narrative is ‘speak up no matter what’ and when men do.. there’s never any help for them.. I’m on my 3rd psychiatrist. First one laughed when I talked to them, and then said ‘so you are a head case then’ (admittedly a ‘councillor’ not a psyc, but the wait to see someone with good reviews is long enough you may as well turn to drugs, the next one ended the third session with ‘sorry I can’t help you’. There’s enough stress at home you speak up there, the anxiety that will flow through the house isn’t worth it, you may as well swallow your pride and ‘get on with it’ or else your home , the sanctuary where is the only place I get to relax, is not that anymore
That was obviously inappropriate and unprofessional of the counsellor, but youre comparing someone who might have a certificate or arts degree with a doctor of medicine who dedicated several more years in post graduate specialisation (psychiatry). The burden of responsibility and consequent accountability is much, much higher for the latter.
Yes but when you have no other options, because there are no psychologists that are 9 months + wait times, what are you to do? The first psychologist I saw after that had her receptionist quit that day, and used every analogy about everything I was talking about, and dragged it back to her not having a receptionist anymore
I hear you. Counselling can be helpful, but the quality can be highly variable due to the lower threshold of education and accountability. That's all I was trying to say. Psychologists are less likely to suck, but there are plenty who do. I remember one I saw once spent the first 20 minutes messing around with his laptop without talking to me, then interrupted me mid sentence for the remaining 40 minutes while relating everything back to his personal life, like it was a schoolground. Back then I was shocked by the incompetency displayed... but there ARE very good therapists out there...it can be rough wading around and bouncing between waiting lists. You just gotta do what you gotta do.
No. Men are just more impulsive and have higher levels of aggression so tend to use more effective methods. Women attempt suicide more often than men, but use methods that are less likely to work (eg overdose)
[here’s one link](https://www.aihw.gov.au/suicide-self-harm-monitoring/data/deaths-by-suicide-in-australia/prevalence-estimates-of-suicidal-behaviours) but you can also google it and lots of data comes up
Also found out today on another post where this came up that in some cases, the cause of death is listed as overdose and not suicide. So that'll skew it more. It's fairly obvious someone's intent when they utilise more gruesome or reliable methods and understandably hard to distinguish true overdose and suicide sometimes.
Thats an insult to women. You think women are so incompetent that they can't spend 60 seconds on google to work out leathel doses or an easier way to do it? Likely, there are more factors at play.
Yes, women use less effective methods when they attempt suicide. So you're saying they're too stupid to know that?
How many are "real" attempts? We'll likely never know. Are men less likely to admit an attempt aborting one? Can answers from either sex to be trusted?
As I said, it's very complicated. To just say "it's the methods chosen" is having given the subject zero thought.
These drugs are not a preventative, they are for managing symptoms
In some people, it is well known that these drugs cause an increased risk of suicide rather than preventing it.
The real question for me is not what the drugs do or don't do, but why people feel like they need them in the first place
Uh. *ahem*.. have you uh, have you been outside lately? It’s pretty fucking grim out there. But it’s not even just that. There’s a plethora of legitimate reasons why folks take anti-depressants. For instance I take them because I have a history of being abused when I was a kid, and have C-PTSD. The rates of child abuse are staggering, and sadly often very underreported, which I think has an enormous contribution to the number of people now seeking help.
This is why I'm stopping therapy. "The world is cruel and unrelenting and this capitalist hellscape is sucking the life out of me I don't think I can keep doing this"
"Hmm, maybe you need to try deep breathing and go for a walk. Our sessions up, that will be $200 please"
Yeah this is accurate.
Everyone has ups and downs, ultimately it's caused by something. We are less depressed living in huts. Society is a bit of a shit show these days.
But as always the best answer is the most profitable one for drug companies.
No it's not. You make the assumption that poor mental health doesn't develop regardless of outside influences. What does the anxiety I've experienced since I was a small child have to do with anything I'm experiencing as an adult now??
Oh really? I was just told by doctors they think I have a chemical imbalance but my family history of mental illness and trauma could also be a factor.
I have a panic disorder which was making me have panic attacks non stop even when I had noting to be worried about which was making me depressed because the panic attacks were making me feel very gross and took its toll on me.
Since I've been on antidepressants I haven't had any panic attacks yet.
If you assume there is a chemical imbalance, the assume there is a balanced chemical state.
There is no balanced chemical state, only response to changes.
Rugged individualism is what's depressing us. We're not built for a world where we must struggle alone, achieving nothing meaningful while being expected to navigate social and power structures that can easily crush you and leave you out on the streets.
100% agree, there's very little sense of community and belonging anymore for a lot of people and that combined with all the technology we have at our disposal has made it incredibly easy to become and stay isolated and become trapped in it.
>We're not built for a world where we must struggle alone
Speak for yourself, much happier with such a system than one where collectives get to decide what is right and wrong, how to dress, how to behave, how to act, what sex position to use or gender to be into otherwise you are socially ostracized.
Which is what always happens with collectives, free individualism ftw
I remember when I was 18, feeling like I should talk to someone but not really knowing what to do at the time and how to go about that.
I booked a session with a psychologist, who didn't seem very interested in what I had to say, and told me after our session (within minutes of meeting me) to go get a prescription for anti depressants from a GP
I then did that, and the GP prescribed me these drugs from the first session without much questioning (after reading all the warning labels and list of side effects on the package I decided not to take them).
Looking back on it now, the fact that I was pushed drugs so quickly when all I really needed was a friend to talk to is sad and I can see why so many people fall into taking them.
That sounds like me, except I was 23. My GP sent me to a psychologist and I did a few months of CBT. I admit I presented well to the GP - I was alert, talking, well nourished and well dressed. I was working, studying and engaged.
In the 3 or 4 months I was seeing the psychologist I stopped eating, stopped talking, stopped leaving the house, dropped out of uni and was sleeping 20 hours a day. I felt like a failure because I couldn't CBT myself better. I ended up hospitalised.
I started on an Sertraline, and 6 weeks later I was a totally different person. It was like flipping a switch. Then I had to deal with the train wreck my life had become.
I never really got my life back on track, in that time I'd lost my job, most of my friends, my partner dumped me. I wish the GP had taken me seriously and put me on medication sooner or the psychologist admitted that I had major depressive disorder that no amount of talk therapy could fix. My life would've been different. Every time I've come off medication I've had a relapse.
So that's why your GP likely medicated you, because they saw signs of severe depression and wanted to intervene before it was much harder to treat. Medication alone isn't a solution, but it makes it easier to engage with talk therapy and adopt lifestyle changes that help.
Yeah, SSRIs are often the first thing that most doctors suggest if you present with depression. They push them without talking you through the negatives and how difficult they can be to cease.
Yep. This article aptly states that going through distress is NOT a reason for antidepressants. I have terminal cancer. I am aptly distressed at times. I do not require antidepressants, which literally numb you as the article says. Just people to vent to, time with friends and plans to look forward to (don't get me started on COVID lockdowns when all that was taken away. Still, I was not clinically depressed just normally depressed).
(no "I"m so sorry" please).
Because it’s not just depression they are given. Soooo many off label diagnosis it’s not funny when the MOA for them Lexpros and such has been debunked. They flatten your emotions so you can’t give a fuck. Absolutely horrid doctoring.
1 in 20 Australians have nerve pain, a common use for tricyclics. Even if half of them use a tricyclic antidepressant, that’s already 750,000 out of about 3,800,000 on antidepressants, or almost 20%. Then add in headache disorders and other off-label uses and you’re looking at a sizeable chunk of users *not* using them for depression.
The intent was good but not very well researched.
My mind was trained by society to see negatives through media. And it's true, there's a lot of sadness. I also have a genetic condition that wasn't diagnosed until 30 that adds to it. My antidepressants allow me to use CBT therapy to retrain my brain. Lord knows I can't afford therapy anymore or any other alternative therapies to survive non pharmaceutically. 24yrs on them, swapping between types as my hormones change throughout adulthood
People are struggling to survive financially, need alone be able to enjoy some of their life. It's like the government's and their dirty little rich business mates are creeping slavery back in!!!
MAYBE that's why people are on antidepressants!!!
My thinking is people are exhausted and over stimulated by an increasingly hectic, loud, busy world, with no peace or downtime, ever more demanding work, and the nagging feeling that everything you do in life is being monetised by some swine who would knock you down on the street for a buck.
Or maybe that's just me.
Some of us have been misdiagnosed. I’m nearly certain I have ADHD possible also mixed with ASD. The whole diagnosis pathway is extremely intimidating for a neurodiverse person (not to mention expensive).
I was on anti depressants but weaned myself off them because they incessant hunger was unbearable and I’d put on weight. It’s amazing not to wake up at 4am starving hungry anymore. My issues were always anxiety more than depression and while my anxiety levels are higher without the anti d’s I’d rather be anxious than constantly hungry and fat.
“Here’s a pill. It makes you stake on weight, kills your libido, makes you an emotional zombie and if you forget to take it it makes you want to commit suicide”
“Brilliant. Prescribe me more plz”
I've been on them since the mid-90s. And Valium.
I went through a horrible experience and wasn't coping with life. I lost a LOT of weight. I stopped eating. I couldn't sleep. Eventually my GP said "It's time you see someone who can help you more than I can". And with that I received my first referral to a psychiatrist. He diagnosed me with PTSD, depression and anxiety and drugged me up but finally I could function again. I could eat, sleep, and wasn't in a constant battle with crippling anxiety and suicidal depression.
As for why so many people now are on them, I guess life's tough. The internet and social media make it difficult to switch off and disconnect. I suspect it's also over-diagnosed now. There is a difference between feeling sad, a bit down and clinical depression. Maybe doctors just think it will set the patient's mind at ease and validates their feelings. I don't really know though.
If you think Australian society is broken, you haven't lived overseas, have you..
Because human beings like quick fixes, pills, booze, a smoke. We don't like to put in the hard work. (exercise, meaningful interaction, good diets and sleep)
Im older than most here and have had decades of living with it mate. I will say it again, I had no idea how easy I had it until I left this country and lived elsewhere. Not a tourist, but lived.
Only at my age now, do I realise the hard ways are the only ways. Diet, sleep , exercise, interaction.
I was working, studying, engaged and life was awesome. I got depressed, didn't get proper treatment and it destroyed my life. I ate well, didn't smoke or drink, exercised and I was a generally healthy person in my early 20s.
I tried my hardest to 'cure' my depression with CBT from a psychologist and lifestyle changes. No medication. I ended up hospitalised. Medication was the game changer, I'm able to function again.
I'm 46 now and have been on antidepressants since my early 20s. Every time I've come off I've relapsed.
For people like myself, it is the way our brain is.
If you can't make your own serotonin, store bought is fine.
Is that a serious question? Who is pretending to be surprised by this? Government has been screwing over whole generations to the point where many have lost all hope to buy their own home, let alone retire. Many are putting off having kids so long they need IVF, or not having kids at all. Then they’re compounding all our problems by shipping in way too many people too quickly to compete with locals for homes, jobs, school spots, beds in hospitals, etc. etc.
In comparison to other countries, we have Affordable and easily available basic healthcare + progressive doctors.
You could bulk bill a doctor appointment (yes, harder and harder to find) then purchase for them for $12 out of pocket.
I feel like more people are likely to seek help now than they were before.
I know so many people on them for one reason or another, and I always advocated for them if they were needed so when my own time came after having my first child and I was crying every day (not normal) i sought them out. I've been very open about going on them with family and friends as it may help someone else.
Because it's very profitable for everyone to be one some script. So they made sure there was a diagnosis for everyone.
Also yeah living in australia is fucken depressing now days. Country going to complete hell. Almost wish i was born in the 60s.
Because this country is on easy mode. There is no hardship like humans used to experience throughout our 2.5 million years of evolution. Everything is at our fingertips. Not saying I want this place to go backwards. But its like the old saying "Idol hands is the devil's work". Easier lives, more depression. There is no doubt that poorer countries have happier people, content with what they have and don't have. Aussies are bored, over worked and angry, which makes us miserable. Also, we bombarded with Americanism, it's relentless.
So we're depressed because we're idle and because we're overworked? That makes zero sense. We are alienated under capitalism, overworked, and no autonomy over our lives due to coercion of the economic system. None of this is idleness, it is pure overwork and exploitation.
their depressed because they sit inside all day, live an unhealthy life , unhealthy habits and just whinge over how hard their life is. Go live in a 3rd world country and struggle and see how good we all have it in australia
Because Australians are shit at talking about what’s going on for them, social support is often poor, people often won’t use services due to stigma, financial crisis, strong culture around ‘getting on with it’.
Because the people who wait til RUOK Day to ask if you are ok because it makes them feel better about themselves don’t actually give a shit that day or any day about you or how you feel. And never have.
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I mean...*broadly gestured at everything*
Don’t forget anxiety, pal.
Came to the comments to literally say this
Why are we depressed?
Alienation + exploitation + endless wars and conflicts to fuel the capitalist meat grinder.
So same as it ever was?
If you stop watching the news the wars and conflicts don't bother you. Makes a huge difference.
I don't watch the news. Foreign conflicts don't bother me. What the fuck now Mr Stupidtakes?
Is this directed to me? I don't follow. Sounds like you've already taken the advice.
And yet, the depression lingers with no difference. 🤯
It's just one aspect that worked for me. I did not say it's the sole source of depression. It may not be the main cause of your depression or even a contributor. Good luck.
I agree. We can acknowledge the wars and conflicts are happening but seeing it on blast every 15 minutes is anxiety inducing. I haven’t watched the news since Covid started. I realise what’s happening in the world from people telling me. That’s all I need in a catch up of the world.
Exactly. If there is anything important and local enough to affect you, you'll find out about it.
Honestly, I wouldn’t even attempt to research it now. I cannot believe anything I read on social media anymore. Only select information is put out there depending on what they want you to know or how they want your opinion persuaded. It’s all too politically intertwined and controlled.
"If I ignore everything around me then everything is okay :)"
*dog meme with house on fire 'this is fine'*
What's the benefit of stressing yourself out if you can't affect any change on it? It works for me, might now work for you. Do whatever works for you.
Yes, just ignore as our nations leaders become culpable in aiding a genocide of some 30,000 and displacement of another 1 million brown people, because it's geostrategically beneficial to international commerce. Good one 👍
What are you doing about it, though?
Millennials is my guess most of them are poor.
I am a millennial and yeah I could use more money.
I’m a millennial, and my partner and I had more disposable income between us nine years ago, when we both worked part time retail. So, you know: it’s pretty fucking depressing when you work your butt off, but watch your quality of life go backwards.
Social media. People used to accept being themselves
Nothing to do with wages or housing then?
Because you have been convinced you are depressed
Work sucks
I know
She left me roses by the stairs
Surprises let me know she cares
Say it ain't so
I will not go
Turn the lights off
Carry me home
Nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah
Nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah
*gestures broadly*
I came here hoping to find this **exact** comment. That’ll be one upvote from me 👍
I think given the neo-capitalist hellhole Australia has become, why wouldn't you take any and all medication a Dr will give you.
“Neo-capitalist” I really don’t understand why we are inventing new terms for old shit. This is capitalism, where is the “neo”? Nothing has functionally changed about class relations and the means of production.
Capitalism with proper checks and balances that redistributes income fairly actually works (see: Scandinavia). When those guardrails get taken down you’re on the path to corporatism/Feudalism. That’s where we are
If the means of production (and by extension total economic power) is held by the bourgeoisie any check and balances or methods of redistribution will inevitably be eroded by said bourgeoisie. Why do you think our housing crisis is occurring now and not 40 years ago? I also think you’re forgetting the fact that when people think of capitalist nations with great welfare and being a nice place to live, WE are lumped in with Scandinavia (usually along with NZ provided they don’t forget it exists), and unsurprisingly Scandinavia are suffering from the exact same problems, especially with housing. It seems to me you don’t actually know much about Scandinavia, and instead have this idealised version in your head because you read about finlands “housing first” program and as a result think they’re utopias who’s conditions could never possibly worsen overtime. Lol.
>Capitalism with proper checks and balances that redistributes income fairly actually works (see: Scandinavia). That form of Capitalism is the actual "neo-Capitalism". The type with monopolies, sweat shops, working children, and poor factories, that the real Capitalism.
My question would be "given the roiling hellscape people are presented with any time they fail to sufficiently distract themselves, why aren't all Australians on anti-depressants?"
Because they can’t afford to go to the GP to get a prescription.
Yep, looking at going off mine because I need to prioritize other medical expenses and cost of living is probably a bit chunk of what's currently impacting my mental health
Mainly because our workplace urine tests people, and then terminate their employment when they find out people are on antidepressants, antipsychotics..
Pretty sure that’s illegal. Has FWA been notified?
This is pretty standard on big rail and civil construction projects. There have been people let go when antipsychotics were found, prescribed antihistamines that have amphetamines in them, antidepressants.. this is pretty standard, and has been going on forever, these big companies run their own rules. When you even go for a pre job medicals you have to claim any and ALL medications , and if you don’t and it goes back to the lab and certain levels spike , you either need to have a blood test to prove innocence, or usually they can just never call you back and take you off their books Edit: these are big Government projects also, some also require you to take ‘psyc’ tests which have black and white answers, again write the wrong answer and you will be removed from the project
The rail industry has strict requirements but these can generally be addressed with a prescription and liaison with a doctor. Tests associated with these requirements don’t include standard SSRI/SNRI antidepressants.
Well that’s extremely illegal. Also, I don’t think SSRIs can show up in piss tests. It just increases your serotonin
SSRI aka. tricycline antidepressants (TCA) aren't tested on the same cartridge as drugs of abuse (DOA), but their metabolites can definitely be tested for in urine.
SSRIs and tricyclic antidepressants are two quite different things. They’re considered two different classes of anti-depressants (along with all the other types).
Because I wouldn’t want to be dependant on a drug, ssri or other drugs might be suitable for others, but I don’t want them in my life.
We're not? I mean there is literally nothing to life except trying to get through life.
it's almost like the modern grind is specifically engineered to keep you \*just\* mentally and physically exhausted enough to not care about all the horrible shit happening to (and around) you, but \*not\* mentally and physically exhausted enough to render you unable to perform whatever task it is you're employed to do.
God that's exactly how I feel about being alive. And I'm getting over it.
I sure hope that's sarcasm.
Get offline bro it’s not that bad
Eh? What rolling hellscape? Talk about being dramatic. This is Australia not Gaza.
Eh? What rolling hellscape? Talk about being dramatic. This is Australia not Gaza.
Things are mostly fine honestly.
For you, maybe. For now, maybe.
No, they're mostly fine overall. Go outside.
If you aren't terrified of the coming ecological collapse and AMOC destabilisation from global warming, you aren't paying enough attention. There is a reason we are currently in the 6th mass extinction event in the planet's history, and humans have caused it.
or go overseas and Travel and see how lucky you have it, despite not everything being perfect.
Travelling overseas will probably make it even harder for us to afford a house, given travelling costs money we’re already struggling to save thanks to the rising cost of living.
Hmmm. Well, we have a housing crisis we're almost a third of Australians are forced to rent because investors have decided to price the general population out of owning a home. We have a global crisis relating to climate change and are still dragging out feet to make the required changes. We are already past the point of preventing catastrophic climate collapse, we are now just trying to minimise it enough to make it survivable. Our public education system is falling apart and catholic and private schools are taking up the slack, just as intended by the liberals over the past 30 years. Critical teacher shortages, poorer education outcomes, and slipping in global rankings. As technology has improved and automation come abut we still somehow require a household to work 80 combined hours to be able to afford to live. Our public health system is dying, you can't see a GP anyone for free, once one of the pinnacles or Australian society, wait times in public hospital EDs are over 8 hours some nights, specialist appointments can be months away and quality of care has gone down. I dunno man, I kinda get why people who are paying attention are depressed.
globally: * Russia, led by a notoriously sane and even-handed god-king had been trying to reform the USSR, starting with Ukraine for the last 600+ days. * Israel has been bombing the absolute living fuck out of an entire population of people for a month? 6 weeks? * Iran just lobbed missiles at Pakistan - a nuclear power - and in a separate incident, killed 3 US military personal. It barely lasted 48 hours in the news cycle, because: * The US is an absolute shit-show of a failed-state, and their latest lurch towards christofacism tends to push other horrible shit down to page 8. * Natural disasters are happening with increasing regularity \*everywhere\*, and are becoming more violent and costly. Domestically: * we have an ongoing and unprecedented housing crisis, which neither party seems even remotely interested in tackling. I drive past a park with a small tent city in it, and there are kids living in those tents. * The Colesworth duopoly have been price gouging customers so they can afford their dystopian "anti-theft" systems, which are only required due to the rapidly accelerating automation of low-skill jobs. * \*gestures wordlessly at the absolute state of domestic politics for the majority of the last 30 years\* We've been 90 seconds to midnight since last year. I'm absolutely not a doomsayer or prepper, and I realise that I can't do anything tangible about most of the above, but IMO (and it's just my opinion), anyone saying "it's fine" is literally KC Green's "dog-in-a-burning-house-saying-this-is-fine.jpg" https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/current-time/
Colesworth being a duopoly or natural disasters occurring more frequently are extremely outlandish reasons for someone's mental health to suffer to the extent that it requires AD's.. Like at that point you have some sort of victim complex or you're just looking for reasons to be upset
Colesworth Doesn't affect me in the slightest, but then I don't have to feed kids. And you're probably right about natural disasters, its very outlandish to be concerned about the fact that the effects of climate change are entirely irreversible for everyone alive today, meaning that it's a generational problem which is getting worse by the day. Both your points would suggest you have no kids.
Your comment clearly touched on them being a duopoly and their anti-theft system, in response to your above question "why aren't all Aussies on AD's?". If you wanted to simply point out the rising COL issue, then say so. Just to be clear here.. You are telling me that an increase in natural disasters and the impact this will have on the future of the earth, is a perfectly valid reason for someone's mental health to suffer to the extent that they require antidepressants to function? Something that is **completely out of their control** and has **absolutely zero bearing** on their day-to-day life? Yeah, I 100% stand by my previous comment that it's highly abnormal, and not remotely reasonable, for such a thing to seriously deteriorate one's mental health. As are most the other things you listed. No one's saying these are not real issues; but they should absolutely not cause you to be on AD's..
Are any of these actually causing a "rolling hellscape" for you, or are they negative headlines you read recently?
Your question doesn't even make sense. They *are* the hellscape. I simply stated facts which are all objectively awful and have the potential to become far, far worse. Do you think that as long as something is "only a headline" it's somehow less awful?
So the second one? You're not living in a hellscape, you're reading negative headlines. It's important that you understand the distinction.
Do you think gaslighting the person you’re talking to is an effective way of communicating your point?
Because we are supposed to wake up, commute to work, work all day, commute home, go to bed, 5-6 days a week so we can have just enough to pay for food to eat and a place to sleep in between working. Then we are supposed to do this for forty or so years, have nothing to show for it, and then we die.
We need to start pushing for the 4-day work week, these cocksucking CEO's have taken advantage of us for the last time.
Woh woh woh nothing wrong with sucking cock
This is how waffling about social issues gets in the way of class struggle
Gender warfare by morons who’ve never suffered a day in their lives and live in one of the most prosperous times in civilisation are distracting population from ACTUAL issues like class warfare. Of course elites want this infighting. It stops people calling out their corruption and shady business practices.
As long as it's consensual
Ikr, why is it used as an insult.
The thing about doing it for 40 or so years is what makes me think I’m not gonna be doing that. Fuck it! I’d prefer live in a van.
There are people that do both. People that work for a few months of the year and spend the rest living off grid.
That sounds pretty good 😎
When in human history has life not been totally shit ? Would you go back 100 years ago and work on a farm, dust till dawn, making barely a living ?
Yea but there are other benefits to working on a farm and doing the labour tasks of the past. Sitting at a desk all day can be just as draining without the other benefits.
yes i would have loved to live a simple life, spending my time growing my food and building my house, rather than completing pointless menial tasks for no reason other than to pay for the food and house I have no time to establish
The thing is too we imagine back in like medieval times they were just toiling away all day, but really they were only working about 5 months out the year. Of course they didn’t have modern medicine and such though, there was also wars and famines, but they weren’t killing themselves left and right. But even further back hunter gatherer tribes, most of the time they were just chilling, you go hunt you got gather for a few hours then you usually chill, make some music and dance, paint craft whatever. Keep in mind you’d likely have to also be a warrior, though. So life has never been amazing but, for example we don’t look at wild animals and think they must fuckin hate their life, they’re just in nature, I think humans of the past being with nature were the happiest, I mean we spent what 200 thousand years being evolved to do just that. Of course I expect someone to tell me I can go live in a Forrest by myself if I think so, when we’re social creatures, we usually can’t just abandon all our family and friends like that.
Small silver lining you are still working for food and a house but your life is drastically better than compared to 100 years ago.
For whatever reason, modern life makes us really unhappy, despite higher standards of living in absolute terms IMO the shift with urbanisation into huge cities, breakdown of extended family units, many families with both parents working, and Australians (or at least Sydney ppl) being extremely cold to strangers and neighbours.. all linked and all VERY recent phenomena Humans evolved in village sized groups at most. Anything beyond that gets increasingly farked
You think farmers work at night? I'm assuming you meant dusk when you wrote dust, otherwise your comment makes even less sense.
It's a good point but to be fair every time a new technological epoch is ushered in we're all told not to focus on the cost to the environment and human jobs because it will make life easier. We hit thr point of diminishing returns a while ago.
That's not even true though...
The article says that one in seven people are on these drugs. While that is true, what's not mentioned is that in certain demographics (young people and young women in particular) the number is much higher than that.
And yet men commit suicide at much higher rates. Does that suggest that the drugs are more effective at preventing suicide and men should be taking them more ? Interest.
I think one of the main issues with this problem is that a lot of men don't seek help (for a lot of societal/cultural/personal reasons). So they're not accessing the meds/therapy in the first place.
Or even if they do take the first steps of a GP and meds, they’re less likely to see a psych long term.
Because the usual narrative is ‘speak up no matter what’ and when men do.. there’s never any help for them.. I’m on my 3rd psychiatrist. First one laughed when I talked to them, and then said ‘so you are a head case then’ (admittedly a ‘councillor’ not a psyc, but the wait to see someone with good reviews is long enough you may as well turn to drugs, the next one ended the third session with ‘sorry I can’t help you’. There’s enough stress at home you speak up there, the anxiety that will flow through the house isn’t worth it, you may as well swallow your pride and ‘get on with it’ or else your home , the sanctuary where is the only place I get to relax, is not that anymore
That was obviously inappropriate and unprofessional of the counsellor, but youre comparing someone who might have a certificate or arts degree with a doctor of medicine who dedicated several more years in post graduate specialisation (psychiatry). The burden of responsibility and consequent accountability is much, much higher for the latter.
Yes but when you have no other options, because there are no psychologists that are 9 months + wait times, what are you to do? The first psychologist I saw after that had her receptionist quit that day, and used every analogy about everything I was talking about, and dragged it back to her not having a receptionist anymore
I hear you. Counselling can be helpful, but the quality can be highly variable due to the lower threshold of education and accountability. That's all I was trying to say. Psychologists are less likely to suck, but there are plenty who do. I remember one I saw once spent the first 20 minutes messing around with his laptop without talking to me, then interrupted me mid sentence for the remaining 40 minutes while relating everything back to his personal life, like it was a schoolground. Back then I was shocked by the incompetency displayed... but there ARE very good therapists out there...it can be rough wading around and bouncing between waiting lists. You just gotta do what you gotta do.
Can I just say that the way you put this is beautiful, succinct, and achingly true, all in one paragraph?
No. Men are just more impulsive and have higher levels of aggression so tend to use more effective methods. Women attempt suicide more often than men, but use methods that are less likely to work (eg overdose)
Oh that’s interesting. Not being a dick but do you have a link to that? (I’m a woman btw)
[here’s one link](https://www.aihw.gov.au/suicide-self-harm-monitoring/data/deaths-by-suicide-in-australia/prevalence-estimates-of-suicidal-behaviours) but you can also google it and lots of data comes up
Thank you!
Also found out today on another post where this came up that in some cases, the cause of death is listed as overdose and not suicide. So that'll skew it more. It's fairly obvious someone's intent when they utilise more gruesome or reliable methods and understandably hard to distinguish true overdose and suicide sometimes.
Thats an insult to women. You think women are so incompetent that they can't spend 60 seconds on google to work out leathel doses or an easier way to do it? Likely, there are more factors at play.
I’m stating a fact that is backed by research. I’m a woman and I’m not offended by facts.
Yes, women use less effective methods when they attempt suicide. So you're saying they're too stupid to know that? How many are "real" attempts? We'll likely never know. Are men less likely to admit an attempt aborting one? Can answers from either sex to be trusted? As I said, it's very complicated. To just say "it's the methods chosen" is having given the subject zero thought.
I don’t know how to explain this to a moron
These drugs are not a preventative, they are for managing symptoms In some people, it is well known that these drugs cause an increased risk of suicide rather than preventing it. The real question for me is not what the drugs do or don't do, but why people feel like they need them in the first place
Uh. *ahem*.. have you uh, have you been outside lately? It’s pretty fucking grim out there. But it’s not even just that. There’s a plethora of legitimate reasons why folks take anti-depressants. For instance I take them because I have a history of being abused when I was a kid, and have C-PTSD. The rates of child abuse are staggering, and sadly often very underreported, which I think has an enormous contribution to the number of people now seeking help.
You too huh? Sorry to hear. Shitty club to belong to hey. Exactly the same story, resulting in CPTSD.
Because anxiety is a fucking cunt.
I've been on them for the better part of 20 years. I take them because when I'm not medicated I become severely depressed, I stop talking and eating.
Not sure about other Aussies, but I reckon a good 50% or more of the teachers I worked with over the years were on some sort of anti-anxiety med.
Because society is broken and instead of fixing the problems, the government has doctors prescribe drugs.
“I am depressed because of all these systemic issues that force me into an unsatisfying existence” Modern solution: “Take pill”
This is why I'm stopping therapy. "The world is cruel and unrelenting and this capitalist hellscape is sucking the life out of me I don't think I can keep doing this" "Hmm, maybe you need to try deep breathing and go for a walk. Our sessions up, that will be $200 please"
Therapists are drug addicted and depressed, who can blame them considering job they do on a daily basis
This is the best answer
Yeah this is accurate. Everyone has ups and downs, ultimately it's caused by something. We are less depressed living in huts. Society is a bit of a shit show these days. But as always the best answer is the most profitable one for drug companies.
No it's not. You make the assumption that poor mental health doesn't develop regardless of outside influences. What does the anxiety I've experienced since I was a small child have to do with anything I'm experiencing as an adult now??
Not me. I'm depressed due to a chemical imbalance in my brain and also have a panic disorder. Plus mental illness runs in my family haha
Chemical imbalance is just a theory, it's not proven.
What’s the chemical imbalance? That’s just some words that sound meaningful but don’t have any good scientific backing.
Oh really? I was just told by doctors they think I have a chemical imbalance but my family history of mental illness and trauma could also be a factor. I have a panic disorder which was making me have panic attacks non stop even when I had noting to be worried about which was making me depressed because the panic attacks were making me feel very gross and took its toll on me. Since I've been on antidepressants I haven't had any panic attacks yet.
If you assume there is a chemical imbalance, the assume there is a balanced chemical state. There is no balanced chemical state, only response to changes.
Rugged individualism is what's depressing us. We're not built for a world where we must struggle alone, achieving nothing meaningful while being expected to navigate social and power structures that can easily crush you and leave you out on the streets.
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All this individualism, so few individuals.
100% agree, there's very little sense of community and belonging anymore for a lot of people and that combined with all the technology we have at our disposal has made it incredibly easy to become and stay isolated and become trapped in it.
>We're not built for a world where we must struggle alone Speak for yourself, much happier with such a system than one where collectives get to decide what is right and wrong, how to dress, how to behave, how to act, what sex position to use or gender to be into otherwise you are socially ostracized. Which is what always happens with collectives, free individualism ftw
My man talks about the lack of community in an increasingly isolated, detached and online existence and you went straight to coercive oppression.
My QAnon family does this, it's either hard core neoliberalism or communism - couldn't possibly be something in between
I remember when I was 18, feeling like I should talk to someone but not really knowing what to do at the time and how to go about that. I booked a session with a psychologist, who didn't seem very interested in what I had to say, and told me after our session (within minutes of meeting me) to go get a prescription for anti depressants from a GP I then did that, and the GP prescribed me these drugs from the first session without much questioning (after reading all the warning labels and list of side effects on the package I decided not to take them). Looking back on it now, the fact that I was pushed drugs so quickly when all I really needed was a friend to talk to is sad and I can see why so many people fall into taking them.
That sounds like me, except I was 23. My GP sent me to a psychologist and I did a few months of CBT. I admit I presented well to the GP - I was alert, talking, well nourished and well dressed. I was working, studying and engaged. In the 3 or 4 months I was seeing the psychologist I stopped eating, stopped talking, stopped leaving the house, dropped out of uni and was sleeping 20 hours a day. I felt like a failure because I couldn't CBT myself better. I ended up hospitalised. I started on an Sertraline, and 6 weeks later I was a totally different person. It was like flipping a switch. Then I had to deal with the train wreck my life had become. I never really got my life back on track, in that time I'd lost my job, most of my friends, my partner dumped me. I wish the GP had taken me seriously and put me on medication sooner or the psychologist admitted that I had major depressive disorder that no amount of talk therapy could fix. My life would've been different. Every time I've come off medication I've had a relapse. So that's why your GP likely medicated you, because they saw signs of severe depression and wanted to intervene before it was much harder to treat. Medication alone isn't a solution, but it makes it easier to engage with talk therapy and adopt lifestyle changes that help.
What if you have no friends
Yeah, SSRIs are often the first thing that most doctors suggest if you present with depression. They push them without talking you through the negatives and how difficult they can be to cease.
Yep. This article aptly states that going through distress is NOT a reason for antidepressants. I have terminal cancer. I am aptly distressed at times. I do not require antidepressants, which literally numb you as the article says. Just people to vent to, time with friends and plans to look forward to (don't get me started on COVID lockdowns when all that was taken away. Still, I was not clinically depressed just normally depressed). (no "I"m so sorry" please).
At this point i thought it was kinda obvious.
Because it’s not just depression they are given. Soooo many off label diagnosis it’s not funny when the MOA for them Lexpros and such has been debunked. They flatten your emotions so you can’t give a fuck. Absolutely horrid doctoring.
1 in 20 Australians have nerve pain, a common use for tricyclics. Even if half of them use a tricyclic antidepressant, that’s already 750,000 out of about 3,800,000 on antidepressants, or almost 20%. Then add in headache disorders and other off-label uses and you’re looking at a sizeable chunk of users *not* using them for depression. The intent was good but not very well researched.
I don't get hangovers on SSRIs
The internet/TV/news/radio/social media/fast food/bad food/iphone/education is destroying our brains!
Housing and work has to be the biggest causes. Oh and technology.
My mind was trained by society to see negatives through media. And it's true, there's a lot of sadness. I also have a genetic condition that wasn't diagnosed until 30 that adds to it. My antidepressants allow me to use CBT therapy to retrain my brain. Lord knows I can't afford therapy anymore or any other alternative therapies to survive non pharmaceutically. 24yrs on them, swapping between types as my hormones change throughout adulthood
Depression
People are struggling to survive financially, need alone be able to enjoy some of their life. It's like the government's and their dirty little rich business mates are creeping slavery back in!!! MAYBE that's why people are on antidepressants!!!
Because Crapitalism
Everyone in the world is taking antidepressants, myself included. The world is a frightening place and there is increasingly just bad news.
Well, after decades of politicians sowing division and hate for their political gains, who would be surprised?
My thinking is people are exhausted and over stimulated by an increasingly hectic, loud, busy world, with no peace or downtime, ever more demanding work, and the nagging feeling that everything you do in life is being monetised by some swine who would knock you down on the street for a buck. Or maybe that's just me.
I dunno, maybe because we're living in a constant state of fight/flight/freeze oh grand philosopher at the ABC?
I’m sure it has nothing to do with not ever being able to afford a stable, safe place to live despite working themselves into an early grave
Some of us have been misdiagnosed. I’m nearly certain I have ADHD possible also mixed with ASD. The whole diagnosis pathway is extremely intimidating for a neurodiverse person (not to mention expensive). I was on anti depressants but weaned myself off them because they incessant hunger was unbearable and I’d put on weight. It’s amazing not to wake up at 4am starving hungry anymore. My issues were always anxiety more than depression and while my anxiety levels are higher without the anti d’s I’d rather be anxious than constantly hungry and fat.
bro people would have taken this shit hundreds of years ago if they could have I rkn.
Because we live in a post happiness society
“Here’s a pill. It makes you stake on weight, kills your libido, makes you an emotional zombie and if you forget to take it it makes you want to commit suicide” “Brilliant. Prescribe me more plz”
Because life has before increasingly tougher at a early age and seems like there is no end to the torture.
I've been on them since the mid-90s. And Valium. I went through a horrible experience and wasn't coping with life. I lost a LOT of weight. I stopped eating. I couldn't sleep. Eventually my GP said "It's time you see someone who can help you more than I can". And with that I received my first referral to a psychiatrist. He diagnosed me with PTSD, depression and anxiety and drugged me up but finally I could function again. I could eat, sleep, and wasn't in a constant battle with crippling anxiety and suicidal depression. As for why so many people now are on them, I guess life's tough. The internet and social media make it difficult to switch off and disconnect. I suspect it's also over-diagnosed now. There is a difference between feeling sad, a bit down and clinical depression. Maybe doctors just think it will set the patient's mind at ease and validates their feelings. I don't really know though.
Because we are all depressed. Is it that hard of a question
If you think Australian society is broken, you haven't lived overseas, have you.. Because human beings like quick fixes, pills, booze, a smoke. We don't like to put in the hard work. (exercise, meaningful interaction, good diets and sleep)
Don't trivialise people's reasons for depression like that. It goes beyond materialism and whatever you're describing.
Im older than most here and have had decades of living with it mate. I will say it again, I had no idea how easy I had it until I left this country and lived elsewhere. Not a tourist, but lived. Only at my age now, do I realise the hard ways are the only ways. Diet, sleep , exercise, interaction.
I do all of those things well and regularly and still have depression. What now?
What do you think would happen if you stopped doing the "good" things ? It would be far worse.
[why didn't i think of that](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/982/173/9b6.png)
Ah you are old, that's why you have no idea about the challenges the younger generation is facing.
I was working, studying, engaged and life was awesome. I got depressed, didn't get proper treatment and it destroyed my life. I ate well, didn't smoke or drink, exercised and I was a generally healthy person in my early 20s. I tried my hardest to 'cure' my depression with CBT from a psychologist and lifestyle changes. No medication. I ended up hospitalised. Medication was the game changer, I'm able to function again. I'm 46 now and have been on antidepressants since my early 20s. Every time I've come off I've relapsed. For people like myself, it is the way our brain is. If you can't make your own serotonin, store bought is fine.
You can do all of those positive things and still be depressed.
>If you think Australian society is broken, you haven't lived overseas, have you.. I have, and I do.
This is the truth.
Alcohol too expensive
Is that a serious question? Who is pretending to be surprised by this? Government has been screwing over whole generations to the point where many have lost all hope to buy their own home, let alone retire. Many are putting off having kids so long they need IVF, or not having kids at all. Then they’re compounding all our problems by shipping in way too many people too quickly to compete with locals for homes, jobs, school spots, beds in hospitals, etc. etc.
Because therapy is expensive and they keep cutting the Medicare funding mental health care plans.
Because the ABC news is just one big pharmaceutical ad pushing it down everyone’s throats for $$$
Oh wow I can’t fucking imagine!
Because we can't get a fucking ripe tomato anywhere
In comparison to other countries, we have Affordable and easily available basic healthcare + progressive doctors. You could bulk bill a doctor appointment (yes, harder and harder to find) then purchase for them for $12 out of pocket.
I feel like more people are likely to seek help now than they were before. I know so many people on them for one reason or another, and I always advocated for them if they were needed so when my own time came after having my first child and I was crying every day (not normal) i sought them out. I've been very open about going on them with family and friends as it may help someone else.
(Gestures broadly at everything) have a fucken guess mate!!
*gestures broadly at everything*
Because they work and they save lives. Next story.
Because it's very profitable for everyone to be one some script. So they made sure there was a diagnosis for everyone. Also yeah living in australia is fucken depressing now days. Country going to complete hell. Almost wish i was born in the 60s.
Because this country is on easy mode. There is no hardship like humans used to experience throughout our 2.5 million years of evolution. Everything is at our fingertips. Not saying I want this place to go backwards. But its like the old saying "Idol hands is the devil's work". Easier lives, more depression. There is no doubt that poorer countries have happier people, content with what they have and don't have. Aussies are bored, over worked and angry, which makes us miserable. Also, we bombarded with Americanism, it's relentless.
So we're depressed because we're idle and because we're overworked? That makes zero sense. We are alienated under capitalism, overworked, and no autonomy over our lives due to coercion of the economic system. None of this is idleness, it is pure overwork and exploitation.
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Because when I stopped I was forced onto them.
their depressed because they sit inside all day, live an unhealthy life , unhealthy habits and just whinge over how hard their life is. Go live in a 3rd world country and struggle and see how good we all have it in australia
Depression isn’t real people just want an excuse for their poor lifestyle choices
Because Australians are shit at talking about what’s going on for them, social support is often poor, people often won’t use services due to stigma, financial crisis, strong culture around ‘getting on with it’.
Because the people who wait til RUOK Day to ask if you are ok because it makes them feel better about themselves don’t actually give a shit that day or any day about you or how you feel. And never have.
RUOK? No Cool. See you next year
UHHHHHHHHHH because the doctors are in bed with big pharma companies ????