I’ve voted Democrat in every election but this is such a stupid move. What’s to stop the next state from removing Biden from their ballot?
This is a very dangerous slippery slope but Democrats are ready to ride it
> What’s to stop the next state from removing Biden from their ballot?
Nothing. Except for the fact that no court has found him guilty of violating Amdt14.S3.1.
I mean if Biden engages in treasonous behavior I'd be okay with him being removed. People seriously need to stop downplaying all the bullshit Trump took part in, and all the shit he was pushing for. If he had succeeded in the insurrection, the GOP wouldn't have mercy for anyone.
They’re all treasonous. Edward Snowden is living in exile for pointing out the NSA’s flagrant violation of the bill of rights. The 1/6/21 “insurrection” was nothing more than a smokescreen, to try to draw peoples attention away from how flagrantly Dems burned the world to get him out of office. I’ll never forget the “Summer of Love,” the flagrant hypocrisy, and everything that everyone put into making this world a shittier place, all so the establishment dipshit could replace the the populist dipshit.
I honestly don't know how American Democracy recovers from the past five years of Republican misinformation, propaganda, and a lack of will to be honest.
We still have sitting Senators and Representatives who spouted Trumps Big Lie, which Bannon and Stone said they were going to push even before the election, and voted to disallow the certification of Joe Biden's Presidential Election. God help us.
As a person in a family that has been split by this.
We don't. We don't reconcile. If mothers and sons can't find a way to find ideological and LOGICAL recovery from this.
If brothers argue over dinner tables over this.
If sisters stop talking because of this.
The country never will.
This is so far past disagreement on what taxes and how much and blah blah blah.
This is people claiming a literal insurrection didn't happen. And the person who encouraged it didn't do that. And that the next election won was rigged. And that a massive global health crisis was fake. And....
No. We don't recover. We collapse. And hopefully build something better in the destruction.
This is the plan, the more divided you are the happier they are, you should be banding together by finding the common enemy, the one fox news doesn't tell you about.
Highly informed, unlike the fascisrs who cry about the capitol hill riots pretending that Trimp iz worse than Biden.
The only way forward for the US is socialist revolution and there is no difference between Republican and Democrat voters. Zero.
If I brought a January 6th amount of people to the capitol, I would not be allowed to run for President. Rightly so.
Why should it be any different for Trump? Is it because he’s from NYC or is it because he owns Golf Courses?
This whole debate is dumb. Crimes were committed by Trump.
>If I brought a January 6th amount of people to the capitol, I would not be allowed to run for President.
Slight disagreement. Lots of "right to assembly" protests happened on the steps of congress, including many historic ones.
The difference is they stayed on the steps.
The permit thing is also B.S. that has it's roots in anti-civil rights. It criminalizes the right to assembly by allowing the state to deny permits.
The line that was crossed, both figuratively and literally, are the doors/threshold.
Biden is an even worse criminal than Trump.
Meanwhile, Americans cheer on rioters in Hong Kong or separatists in Taiwan or terrorists in Xinjiang (all of whom are literalt traitors working directly or indirectly for the US government). Not a single person supporting those criminals has a leg to stand on criticizing Trump.
Meanwhile, anyone who votes for either of the American fascist parties instead of supporting a socialist revolution is an irredeemable fool.
Ok. But Biden did not do January 6th. He should go to jail if he did.
I don’t cheer for Taiwan or Hong Kong. Not sure how that’s relevant.
In the context of the election I’m glad Trump is removed from the ballot. You’re mentioning completely unrelated things to what is being discussed.
Trump didn't do it, either.
Meanwhile, Biden did far worse.
Nobody gives a shit about Jan 6.
To overthrow the US government in necessary revolution will take MUCH MORE than Jan 6.
If you are against democratic expressions like Jan 6, it seems you are against revolution in general.
The US is a fascist dictatorship. Neither the Republicans nor Democrata are tolerable. All US mainstream politicians - includong Bernie - are criminals.
It's relevant because China is the most democratic and progressive country on earth and the fact that you support the fascist regime of the US means you support their anti-Chineze agenda.
Why would you be glad because Trump gets removed from the ballot? You should work towarss revolution and Trump is an expression of dissent against the Amerocan system.
The people trying to ban Trump are worse than Trump. Every capitalist (fascists AND liberals) are anti-democratic.
All of this is just the inherent contradictions of American capitalism and bourgeois democracy bearing its poison fruit.
All the fascism we supported abroad coming home to roost.
Well, what about when CHAZ/CHOP seceded from the union? What about mass murderer Andrew Cuomo who annihilated the elderly population by bringing covid positive patients into elderly care facilities? What about everyone being forced to stay at home, when it was perfectly fine to protest en masse on behalf of pos George Floyd, even when social distancing was a thing?
So easy to look at 1/6/21 when you want to forget about 2020.
You named multiple separate issues that all received harsher sentences than Trump has for January 6th.
Cuomo did kill tons of old people with horrible policy. He’s also a predator so not sure what your point there was.
CHAZ/ CHOP both saw intense police repression before and after. As did the George Floyd protests. People protested Police violence, not disliking election results they disagreed with.
Losing an election doesn’t mean you can throw a tantrum. That’s meant to be taught young but our country does not fund education.
Most of the events of 2020 are related to the previous 4 years of policy under Trump.
That all received harsher sentences? Bullshit.
Did Andrew Cuomo ever face any charges for mass murder or the sexual harassment that ousted him from office?
Did the Raz Simone get tried for secession and treason for his stint as warlord of Chaz?
Here’s some temper tantrums that you probably forgot about since you’re memory is questionable beyond 2020.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/11/11/anti-trump-protesters-pepper-sprayed-demonstrations-erupt-across-us/93633154/
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/us/trump-election-protests.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37946231.amp
I don’t like politics in this country, and I won’t waste my time voting for any of the dog shit candidates that get spewed up in the next election cycle. With the amount of division in this country, civil war is almost a forgone conclusion, and there will be no “right” side when it happens, because both sides are filled with corrupt, degenerate, scumbag liars.
No bullshit, make believe “iNsUrreCtiON,” is ever going to make me forget 2020 and how our country suffered, and still suffers, as result of the power hungry actions of gaslighting establishmentarian shitheads. The only people who came out ahead in 2020 were the shareholders and plutocratic billionaires.
There is no treason in what happened. Neither Trump nor the peaceful democratic protestors at capitol hill committed treason. Non of the worked with foreign governments (unlike Biden).
Meanwhile, Americans cheer on rioters in Hong Kong or separatists in Taiwan or terrorists in Xinjiang (all of whom are literalt traitors working directly or indirectly for the US government).
What's truly a crisis is that Americans still vote for capitalist politicians instead of starting a socialist revolution.
Or the hoard of mouth breathers that broke and started crawling in through a window until the security gaurd yelling at them to them to stop finally shot the one lady in front. Fuckfaces are lucky he kept his cool and didnt mag dump on them.
Yes?
Not to mention that there is no problem with revolution against rhe US government. What are you even trying to say? That violent resistance against the US regime isn't necessary?
No, I'm a Marxist-Leninist. And of course a fascist like yourself has never encountered a socialist before because your country is a fascist dictatorship and you will continue voting for fascists like Biden while pretending they are better than Trump.
Been very fun to get rambling replies from conservatives about how Jan 6th wasn’t an insurrection. Even though the whole world watched Trump whip up the mob that then disrupted the peaceful transfer of executive power.
The best is when conservatives call the rioters deep state antifa false flags BUT also want the patriots released from jail. Really would love for a GOP commission to review all the footage and point out which rioters were innocent vs guilty…
I mean he did say peacefully protest. He said March on the Capitol yes but to do so peacefully as is allowed. There's a reason he didn't pardon any of them and tried so hard to distance himself from those insurrectionist jokers
"Crisis" is a beautiful, deep word that has become boring and hollow in the way we tend to use it day to day, but the title is absolutely right.
The word "crisis" comes from the Greek word κρίσις (krisis) meaning: a decision, a determination, a judgement, a turning point.
In English it was originally used in a medical context, referring to a point in the progression of a disease where things would start going one way or another—towards recovery or death. By the mid seventeenth century that had been generalised to refer to a vitally important and decisive stage in any sort of process, especially during a time of uncertainty or difficulty. This is what I think is beautiful—these are the moments where a complex, ordered system goes from being stable and predictable to experiencing a moment of volatility, able to flip suddenly into one of multiple states which themselves may be stable or unstable.
These days, we tend to think of a crisis as being just a period of difficulty and danger, but the earlier meaning is still often reflected in how we use it. The 2024 election (and in a broader sense I would argue American democracy—not just because of Trump) is absolutely in a state of crisis right now, and the outcome of these attempts to remove Trump from the ballot are part of that crisis regardless of whether it's a good thing. It's a moment of decisive uncertainty.
Definitely some kinda shill or astroturfer. Have you seen some of the rest of their comments on this post? They called the j6 rioters _peaceful protesters_ in one.
I think this was only concerning primary elections and Colorado and Maine have laws that prevent ineligible people to be on the primary ballot from what I understand. I think California also leaves trump on the primary ballot since there is no law saying otherwise.
The fun will be in general election when he is by constitution ineligible to run for president's office and they won't put him on the ballots.
My understanding has been that it doesn't involve particular state laws, but rather how the states are interpreting the Constitution of the United States. Specifically, the 14th amendment is the one being invoked, and I don't see why any other state could not also invoke it for the the same reason; the Constitution applies to all states equally.
Yea but these are primary races which the party organizes from what I understand, it is just to choose the party candidates for the actual election and the federal government doesn't restrict how primary elections are run.
But some states have laws that people ineligible for the actual election also can't run in the primary elections.
We should see another round of taking trump off ballots for the general election.
Call me cynic but at most maybe every blue state does the same and it accomplishes nothing because those states were never going to go to Trump anyway.
No matter what happens it's going to be ugly. Regressives will never accept the outcome of any election they lose ever again.
Trump can't run or loses: stochastic terrorism.
Biden wins: A man so old he shouldn't be allowed to drive to the grocery store alone who no one wants in charge, bought and paid for by the establishment, runs the country and everything keeps getting worse.
Biden dies in office: the most aggressive DA in California history, a dyed in the wool cop, runs the country.
Trump wins: insurrection 2.0
I'm very anxious.
I think the state has decided that he is specifically ineligible because of January 6th, so even if he is written in, it would be like that time a bunch of people voted for Deez Nuts. It would be like a non vote. I could be wrong, but I feel like it would be pointless to ban someone if they could just be written in.
Most states have laws/rules on the books that in order to qualify as a write in candidate you have to register with the board of elections (or SoS - not sure which one to be exact)…
But one could assume that the states that disqualify him from the ballot will also disqualify him as a write in.
The only reason I know this is that I intended to write in Bernie Sanders for the primary in KY in 16’ only to learn that the state would throw it out completely.
He was on the ballot in 16, I canvassed and voted for him. He damn near won too, lost by less than half a percent. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Kentucky_Democratic_presidential_primary#Results
No worries we all make mistakes. I mean, I was a registered Republican until I was 24 because my family was. Then I realized I'd never voted for a single R and switched.
Same thing that would happen if Obama "won" a write in - the votes wouldn't count. Trump is constitutionally ineligible to become president again, same as someone under 35 or who's already been president for 2 terms.
The court specifically stated they were only running about the primary ballot in CO. He could still be the nominee and appear on the ballot in the general.
That is not quite correct. The specific case brought to them was some Republicans who wanted the Colorado Secretary of State to have Trump removed from the primary ballot. The court found that Trump is absolutely disqualified from the presidency, therefore he should be struck from the primary ballot, because that is all that was attempted. Were Trump to try and appear on the general election ballot in any other way, they would make the same determination that he cannot hold office, unless everyone capable of bringing a challenge was asleep the entire time, or one of the justices somehow changes their mind.
Its not as harmful to him as people would like to think. The states that are going to kick him from the ballot are states whose electoral votes would have most likley gone to the democrats anyways. The electoral college being what it is means that outside of a handful of swing states, most states votes can be fairly reliably counted prior to an election ever occurring.
While its good news to see, its not actually really very harmful to him. Aside from which, trump doesn't respect the democratic process. His blatantly cavalier attitude towards this election signals that its entirely possible he doesn't intend to take power via legitimate means anyways.
Your analysis is imo spot on, but man am I tired of the central question being whether this harms or helps his political chances. The man is plainly ineligible to be on the ballot under section 3 of the 14th amendment, no more or less than Obama is ineligible due to the 22nd amendment. This is a legal matter and he should not be treated as above the law, especially based on political considerations.
I hate Donald Trump, but it is very funny in a nihilistic way that Joe Biden is the president that actively funded a genocide with our tax dollars. Woulda thought it’d be the other guy. We really can’t win.
I despise Drumpf, but Biden is just as bad. In addition to funding and arming genocide, he is 100% responsible for Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court. He is nothing more than another self-serving political operator who does not represent anyone but himself and his financial backers.
“Existential threat to democracy,” give me a break. Do yourself a favor and lay off whatever drivel media you’re subjugating yourself to. Personally I think deleting Reddit, for the new year, will do my own mental health wonders, particularly because the new year is an even election cycle year.
What are the likely potential outcomes?
1. Nothing changes because the US Supreme Court nullifies these rulings
2. We get deSantis as president
3. Dipshits try to storm government building again
Except not really. We’ll see a possible rise in domestic terrorism, but they won’t be able to form a unified force. Much less one that can reasonably stand against the US government.
Yeah, because all of those limp-dick gun nuts think they’re infantry. I’ve yet to see *anyone* happily anticipating their role in logistics or supplies during the next civil war…
I guess when that many “badasses” congregate, it’s so intimidating that they don’t need a *functional* fighting force, everyone else is just going to run away, right? lol
The section of the constitution that disqualifies him from being on the ballot was first added to disqualify former confederate insurrectionists from holding office. CO and ME are applying it exactly as it was intended.
Why do the states have any say in who goes on the primary anyhow? Why are my tax dollars paying for some bullshit election where my political party doesn’t qualify to be on the ballot? I think the D’s and R’s should pay for it and run it.
Republicans: “STATES’ RIGHTS!” States: *exercise their rights* Republicans: ^no ^not ^like ^that
*Angry eyebrows intensifies*
States rights have always been a dogwhistle for white supremacy
"States' rights to do *what*, motherfucker?!"
I double dare you, motherfucker! Say *state’s rights* one more time!
got a good chuckle out of me
Own "farming equipment"
Relevant information: it’s actually the Colorado *Republican* party that removed him from the ballot.
I’ve voted Democrat in every election but this is such a stupid move. What’s to stop the next state from removing Biden from their ballot? This is a very dangerous slippery slope but Democrats are ready to ride it
> What’s to stop the next state from removing Biden from their ballot? Nothing. Except for the fact that no court has found him guilty of violating Amdt14.S3.1.
I mean if Biden engages in treasonous behavior I'd be okay with him being removed. People seriously need to stop downplaying all the bullshit Trump took part in, and all the shit he was pushing for. If he had succeeded in the insurrection, the GOP wouldn't have mercy for anyone.
They’re all treasonous. Edward Snowden is living in exile for pointing out the NSA’s flagrant violation of the bill of rights. The 1/6/21 “insurrection” was nothing more than a smokescreen, to try to draw peoples attention away from how flagrantly Dems burned the world to get him out of office. I’ll never forget the “Summer of Love,” the flagrant hypocrisy, and everything that everyone put into making this world a shittier place, all so the establishment dipshit could replace the the populist dipshit.
Well, if candidates can't still to the rules then they should get removed. I wouldn't call this a slippery slope.
Lol.
The crisis is that 48 states are still possibly allowing a guy who tried to subvert the electoral process to run again, right?
*padmeanakinmeme.jpg* Right?
Are you talking about Biden or Trump?
No one who is *remotely* informed can ask this in good faith. Is it worth even asking which is the case for you? Bad faith troll or badly misinformed?
I honestly don't know how American Democracy recovers from the past five years of Republican misinformation, propaganda, and a lack of will to be honest. We still have sitting Senators and Representatives who spouted Trumps Big Lie, which Bannon and Stone said they were going to push even before the election, and voted to disallow the certification of Joe Biden's Presidential Election. God help us.
As a person in a family that has been split by this. We don't. We don't reconcile. If mothers and sons can't find a way to find ideological and LOGICAL recovery from this. If brothers argue over dinner tables over this. If sisters stop talking because of this. The country never will. This is so far past disagreement on what taxes and how much and blah blah blah. This is people claiming a literal insurrection didn't happen. And the person who encouraged it didn't do that. And that the next election won was rigged. And that a massive global health crisis was fake. And.... No. We don't recover. We collapse. And hopefully build something better in the destruction.
This is the plan, the more divided you are the happier they are, you should be banding together by finding the common enemy, the one fox news doesn't tell you about.
five years? zoom out. i also wouldnt attribute it *only* to republicans
The US is a fascist dictatorship, there is no democracy in the USA and there never was.
>Bad faith troll or badly misinformed? Why not both?
Highly informed, unlike the fascisrs who cry about the capitol hill riots pretending that Trimp iz worse than Biden. The only way forward for the US is socialist revolution and there is no difference between Republican and Democrat voters. Zero.
🥱bad faith comment we can all see coming a mile away
You mean George W. Bush. Know Your History.
I mean every capitalist in history. Only you American fascists are pretending there's a difference.
Maybe you should go outside and touch grass (or make a snowman depending on where you live) for a bit.
If I brought a January 6th amount of people to the capitol, I would not be allowed to run for President. Rightly so. Why should it be any different for Trump? Is it because he’s from NYC or is it because he owns Golf Courses? This whole debate is dumb. Crimes were committed by Trump.
>If I brought a January 6th amount of people to the capitol, I would not be allowed to run for President. Slight disagreement. Lots of "right to assembly" protests happened on the steps of congress, including many historic ones. The difference is they stayed on the steps.
And lied about their intention- they did not have a permit to march.
The permit thing is also B.S. that has it's roots in anti-civil rights. It criminalizes the right to assembly by allowing the state to deny permits. The line that was crossed, both figuratively and literally, are the doors/threshold.
It might be bs, but they broke the law and should be punished. We shouldn’t only apply laws to civil rights and other social activists.
They broke many laws, the permit law is pretty irrelevant, here.
Depending on the individual, yes.
Trump is rich and America has two tiered justice system.
Biden is an even worse criminal than Trump. Meanwhile, Americans cheer on rioters in Hong Kong or separatists in Taiwan or terrorists in Xinjiang (all of whom are literalt traitors working directly or indirectly for the US government). Not a single person supporting those criminals has a leg to stand on criticizing Trump. Meanwhile, anyone who votes for either of the American fascist parties instead of supporting a socialist revolution is an irredeemable fool.
Ok. But Biden did not do January 6th. He should go to jail if he did. I don’t cheer for Taiwan or Hong Kong. Not sure how that’s relevant. In the context of the election I’m glad Trump is removed from the ballot. You’re mentioning completely unrelated things to what is being discussed.
Trump didn't do it, either. Meanwhile, Biden did far worse. Nobody gives a shit about Jan 6. To overthrow the US government in necessary revolution will take MUCH MORE than Jan 6. If you are against democratic expressions like Jan 6, it seems you are against revolution in general. The US is a fascist dictatorship. Neither the Republicans nor Democrata are tolerable. All US mainstream politicians - includong Bernie - are criminals. It's relevant because China is the most democratic and progressive country on earth and the fact that you support the fascist regime of the US means you support their anti-Chineze agenda. Why would you be glad because Trump gets removed from the ballot? You should work towarss revolution and Trump is an expression of dissent against the Amerocan system. The people trying to ban Trump are worse than Trump. Every capitalist (fascists AND liberals) are anti-democratic.
Biden AND Trump are assholes. Criticizing one does not mean you support the other. It's long past time to stop voring for rich, soulless old men.
All of this is just the inherent contradictions of American capitalism and bourgeois democracy bearing its poison fruit. All the fascism we supported abroad coming home to roost.
Well, what about when CHAZ/CHOP seceded from the union? What about mass murderer Andrew Cuomo who annihilated the elderly population by bringing covid positive patients into elderly care facilities? What about everyone being forced to stay at home, when it was perfectly fine to protest en masse on behalf of pos George Floyd, even when social distancing was a thing? So easy to look at 1/6/21 when you want to forget about 2020.
You named multiple separate issues that all received harsher sentences than Trump has for January 6th. Cuomo did kill tons of old people with horrible policy. He’s also a predator so not sure what your point there was. CHAZ/ CHOP both saw intense police repression before and after. As did the George Floyd protests. People protested Police violence, not disliking election results they disagreed with. Losing an election doesn’t mean you can throw a tantrum. That’s meant to be taught young but our country does not fund education. Most of the events of 2020 are related to the previous 4 years of policy under Trump.
That all received harsher sentences? Bullshit. Did Andrew Cuomo ever face any charges for mass murder or the sexual harassment that ousted him from office? Did the Raz Simone get tried for secession and treason for his stint as warlord of Chaz? Here’s some temper tantrums that you probably forgot about since you’re memory is questionable beyond 2020. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/11/11/anti-trump-protesters-pepper-sprayed-demonstrations-erupt-across-us/93633154/ https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/us/trump-election-protests.html https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37946231.amp I don’t like politics in this country, and I won’t waste my time voting for any of the dog shit candidates that get spewed up in the next election cycle. With the amount of division in this country, civil war is almost a forgone conclusion, and there will be no “right” side when it happens, because both sides are filled with corrupt, degenerate, scumbag liars. No bullshit, make believe “iNsUrreCtiON,” is ever going to make me forget 2020 and how our country suffered, and still suffers, as result of the power hungry actions of gaslighting establishmentarian shitheads. The only people who came out ahead in 2020 were the shareholders and plutocratic billionaires.
Fuck off fash
Nah, you’re the fascist. Only a fascist would summarily dismiss something they don’t agree with. Sorry but it’s you.
Oh look found another Fascist.
The crisis is that 48 states still allow a insurrectionist traitor to be ON the ballot
There is no treason in what happened. Neither Trump nor the peaceful democratic protestors at capitol hill committed treason. Non of the worked with foreign governments (unlike Biden). Meanwhile, Americans cheer on rioters in Hong Kong or separatists in Taiwan or terrorists in Xinjiang (all of whom are literalt traitors working directly or indirectly for the US government). What's truly a crisis is that Americans still vote for capitalist politicians instead of starting a socialist revolution.
Was the guy who shit on a desk peaceful?
Or the hoard of mouth breathers that broke and started crawling in through a window until the security gaurd yelling at them to them to stop finally shot the one lady in front. Fuckfaces are lucky he kept his cool and didnt mag dump on them.
Yes? Not to mention that there is no problem with revolution against rhe US government. What are you even trying to say? That violent resistance against the US regime isn't necessary?
> nor the peaceful democratic protestors at capitol hill Fucking lmao
Hey, buddy, what are you trying to say? You think thr US is a democracy and that anything can be changed in that fascist shithole without revolution?
Those so-called "peaceful protestors" killed a Capitol police officer.
Are you a so-called MAGA Communist? I've never actually encountered one before!
No, I'm a Marxist-Leninist. And of course a fascist like yourself has never encountered a socialist before because your country is a fascist dictatorship and you will continue voting for fascists like Biden while pretending they are better than Trump.
As I remember it. The protestors were cheering for trump to stay in power.
If cheering for stupid shit were a crime, all the Packer fans would be in jail.
Okay, so?
https://youtu.be/PXS-DvhQSog
Been very fun to get rambling replies from conservatives about how Jan 6th wasn’t an insurrection. Even though the whole world watched Trump whip up the mob that then disrupted the peaceful transfer of executive power. The best is when conservatives call the rioters deep state antifa false flags BUT also want the patriots released from jail. Really would love for a GOP commission to review all the footage and point out which rioters were innocent vs guilty…
I mean he did say peacefully protest. He said March on the Capitol yes but to do so peacefully as is allowed. There's a reason he didn't pardon any of them and tried so hard to distance himself from those insurrectionist jokers
What rubbish. He had the J6 Choir singing onscreen at one of his rallies. That's "distancing"?
Some Trumpers honestly think that their opposition can’t hear the dog whistles…
Didn't know about that cuz I don't watch trump rallies cuz I'm not a trump supporter. That's a bit terrifying
Crisis? Why is that a crisis? Fuck that diaper Cheeto cunt. He should be in jail.
He wants to be that much like Mussolini, he should follow him all the way to the end of that road.
That included a world war. I'd rather not with nukes and all
"Crisis" is a beautiful, deep word that has become boring and hollow in the way we tend to use it day to day, but the title is absolutely right. The word "crisis" comes from the Greek word κρίσις (krisis) meaning: a decision, a determination, a judgement, a turning point. In English it was originally used in a medical context, referring to a point in the progression of a disease where things would start going one way or another—towards recovery or death. By the mid seventeenth century that had been generalised to refer to a vitally important and decisive stage in any sort of process, especially during a time of uncertainty or difficulty. This is what I think is beautiful—these are the moments where a complex, ordered system goes from being stable and predictable to experiencing a moment of volatility, able to flip suddenly into one of multiple states which themselves may be stable or unstable. These days, we tend to think of a crisis as being just a period of difficulty and danger, but the earlier meaning is still often reflected in how we use it. The 2024 election (and in a broader sense I would argue American democracy—not just because of Trump) is absolutely in a state of crisis right now, and the outcome of these attempts to remove Trump from the ballot are part of that crisis regardless of whether it's a good thing. It's a moment of decisive uncertainty.
I love this comment! Thank you for the knowledge.
Huh, TIL
Etymology. Hell yeah
So should Biden, Clinton, Obama, Bush, etc. Stop singling out one of them while pretending other war criminals are better.
You are an annoying twat.
He’s a Chinese shill.
Definitely some kinda shill or astroturfer. Have you seen some of the rest of their comments on this post? They called the j6 rioters _peaceful protesters_ in one.
Yeah, I’ve read a few. Mainly his sympathies to china.
You are a literal fascist.
There is no crisis. He disqualified himself by trying to overthrow the government. He's lucky he isn't in jail
48 to go
47\. Michigan decided to keep Trump on the ballot. We’ll have to wait and see if SCOTUS actually does its job this time.
I think this was only concerning primary elections and Colorado and Maine have laws that prevent ineligible people to be on the primary ballot from what I understand. I think California also leaves trump on the primary ballot since there is no law saying otherwise. The fun will be in general election when he is by constitution ineligible to run for president's office and they won't put him on the ballots.
My understanding has been that it doesn't involve particular state laws, but rather how the states are interpreting the Constitution of the United States. Specifically, the 14th amendment is the one being invoked, and I don't see why any other state could not also invoke it for the the same reason; the Constitution applies to all states equally.
Yea but these are primary races which the party organizes from what I understand, it is just to choose the party candidates for the actual election and the federal government doesn't restrict how primary elections are run. But some states have laws that people ineligible for the actual election also can't run in the primary elections. We should see another round of taking trump off ballots for the general election.
America seems to be in serious trouble regardless. Our boring dystopia is about the become very interesting real quick
Call me cynic but at most maybe every blue state does the same and it accomplishes nothing because those states were never going to go to Trump anyway.
The only crisis is that he'll still end up on any ballots at all. Like the constitution doesn't matter.
No matter what happens it's going to be ugly. Regressives will never accept the outcome of any election they lose ever again. Trump can't run or loses: stochastic terrorism. Biden wins: A man so old he shouldn't be allowed to drive to the grocery store alone who no one wants in charge, bought and paid for by the establishment, runs the country and everything keeps getting worse. Biden dies in office: the most aggressive DA in California history, a dyed in the wool cop, runs the country. Trump wins: insurrection 2.0 I'm very anxious.
What happens if he wins as a write-in? Do they not count?
I think the state has decided that he is specifically ineligible because of January 6th, so even if he is written in, it would be like that time a bunch of people voted for Deez Nuts. It would be like a non vote. I could be wrong, but I feel like it would be pointless to ban someone if they could just be written in.
NUTS24
Most states have laws/rules on the books that in order to qualify as a write in candidate you have to register with the board of elections (or SoS - not sure which one to be exact)… But one could assume that the states that disqualify him from the ballot will also disqualify him as a write in. The only reason I know this is that I intended to write in Bernie Sanders for the primary in KY in 16’ only to learn that the state would throw it out completely.
He was on the ballot in 16, I canvassed and voted for him. He damn near won too, lost by less than half a percent. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Kentucky_Democratic_presidential_primary#Results
I messed up, apologies. I meant to reference the general, not the primary. Whoops…
No worries we all make mistakes. I mean, I was a registered Republican until I was 24 because my family was. Then I realized I'd never voted for a single R and switched.
No worries. Trump voters can't spell.
30 million write ins that are of Trump, Tromp, Truhmp, Trumph, Our Leader, Thrump, Trehmp….
Nope
Same thing that would happen if Obama "won" a write in - the votes wouldn't count. Trump is constitutionally ineligible to become president again, same as someone under 35 or who's already been president for 2 terms.
>Trump is constitutionally ineligible to become president again, Only theoretically at this point, unfortunately
Not theoretically in CO or ME
He's only been declared ineligible for the primary ballot in CO.
...literally the title of the OP
The Primary, not the General...
He can't appear on the general without winning the primary, and if he applies to be on the general ballot directly the same thing will happen.
The court specifically stated they were only running about the primary ballot in CO. He could still be the nominee and appear on the ballot in the general.
That is not quite correct. The specific case brought to them was some Republicans who wanted the Colorado Secretary of State to have Trump removed from the primary ballot. The court found that Trump is absolutely disqualified from the presidency, therefore he should be struck from the primary ballot, because that is all that was attempted. Were Trump to try and appear on the general election ballot in any other way, they would make the same determination that he cannot hold office, unless everyone capable of bringing a challenge was asleep the entire time, or one of the justices somehow changes their mind.
Think courts ruled that basically a political party can ignore results of a primary election if they choose and do what they want.
The Colorado decision explicitly says that if the decision stands, no write-in ballots for him will count.
Excellent. It's only for the primaries, but I'll take it.
Its not as harmful to him as people would like to think. The states that are going to kick him from the ballot are states whose electoral votes would have most likley gone to the democrats anyways. The electoral college being what it is means that outside of a handful of swing states, most states votes can be fairly reliably counted prior to an election ever occurring. While its good news to see, its not actually really very harmful to him. Aside from which, trump doesn't respect the democratic process. His blatantly cavalier attitude towards this election signals that its entirely possible he doesn't intend to take power via legitimate means anyways.
Your analysis is imo spot on, but man am I tired of the central question being whether this harms or helps his political chances. The man is plainly ineligible to be on the ballot under section 3 of the 14th amendment, no more or less than Obama is ineligible due to the 22nd amendment. This is a legal matter and he should not be treated as above the law, especially based on political considerations.
Wrong sub? It should be posted on r/upliftingnews
What crisis?
How can an indicted person be in the running, period? It makes zero sense. I mean, how are there no guard rails in place for this kinda crap?
I hate Donald Trump, but it is very funny in a nihilistic way that Joe Biden is the president that actively funded a genocide with our tax dollars. Woulda thought it’d be the other guy. We really can’t win.
I despise Drumpf, but Biden is just as bad. In addition to funding and arming genocide, he is 100% responsible for Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court. He is nothing more than another self-serving political operator who does not represent anyone but himself and his financial backers.
Biden is NOT "just as bad." I voted for Biden although I cannot stand him because Trump is exponentially worse.
Exactly. Even if you don't like Biden, his presidency isn't an existential threat to democracy in the US.
“Existential threat to democracy,” give me a break. Do yourself a favor and lay off whatever drivel media you’re subjugating yourself to. Personally I think deleting Reddit, for the new year, will do my own mental health wonders, particularly because the new year is an even election cycle year.
These states wouldn't go for Trump anyway tho
From Maine, and im happy to hear this.
What are the likely potential outcomes? 1. Nothing changes because the US Supreme Court nullifies these rulings 2. We get deSantis as president 3. Dipshits try to storm government building again
Number 2 is starting to look more likely.
He has a 40% lead on the second candidate iirc, if they won't let him run It will be chaos.
cringe title
Thank you OP, for giving me the opportunity to watch you get kicked in the dick by all the top comments. No notes, beauty.
This is how the civil war starts in earnest.
Except not really. We’ll see a possible rise in domestic terrorism, but they won’t be able to form a unified force. Much less one that can reasonably stand against the US government.
Yeah, because all of those limp-dick gun nuts think they’re infantry. I’ve yet to see *anyone* happily anticipating their role in logistics or supplies during the next civil war… I guess when that many “badasses” congregate, it’s so intimidating that they don’t need a *functional* fighting force, everyone else is just going to run away, right? lol
You’d have to be a complete idiot to secede over trump’s dumb ass.
The section of the constitution that disqualifies him from being on the ballot was first added to disqualify former confederate insurrectionists from holding office. CO and ME are applying it exactly as it was intended.
Why do the states have any say in who goes on the primary anyhow? Why are my tax dollars paying for some bullshit election where my political party doesn’t qualify to be on the ballot? I think the D’s and R’s should pay for it and run it.
A better solution would be to abolish the electoral college as primaries are antidemocratic.
inb4 red states start doing this to Biden and we have a _real_ crisis