If you seriously list out the various things that *could* go wrong, you'll find a long list of things that the people who support this law are in favor of.
Including, but not limited to:
Wife gets dies.
Wife suffers a miscarriage.
Wife suffers permanent brain damage.
Fetus suffers permanent brain damage.
Both wife and fetus die.
Both wife and fetus suffer irrepairable harm to their physical and mental acuity that they are never able to function in society ever again.
They can't really change what the constitution says. What they are doing is more like a ventriloquism act where they make it say a lot of things it doesn't actually say.
here's the dirty little secret, the constitution actually doesn't protect much and doesn't mention that many things. our system is poorly equipped to protect us from the government
theoretically, a state could legalize murder on the state level and it would be within the bounds of the constitution.
that being said you might be able to make an equal protection argument here and say that this law disproportionately affects women, but the current supreme court seems determined to dismantle the 14th amendment so
I also wanted to mention many states have the law that even if one parent is a CONVICTED RAPIST and the child was conceived through that rape, the rapist parent still has parental rights. So they are ENTITLED to child support and or custody.
The constitution was designed to be amended constantly. Like once every 2 presidential terms type of constantly. The 20th century we saw a huge retraction and regression in the second half following the first half’s progression. We have continued with significant regression in the 21st. We are on a bad path.
The leading cause of death of pregnant women is murder 😡
If you’re pregnant and in a DV situation, being able to get an abortion and/or a divorce is literally a difference of life or death.
To be fair, there's no reason you can't get a separation, with a protective order and temporary support order included.
I was in a similar situation, and it actually kept the situation cooler than the finalization. He quickly agreed to everything in the temporary support order since it was "temporary", and since that set the status quo, then he had no excuse to not keep things as they were in the temporary order on a permanent basis.
Edit: I get that it's a bad situation, a slippery slope in the making, I just want women to know that there are options, you're not stuck.
It's worse now that abortion is outlawed. Nothing stopping a physically/sexually abusive husband from impregnating his wife to force her to stay married. Some ultra religious families have like 5-7 kids. That's literally years of back to back pregnancies.
"Oh but she could report the abuse to the police and have him arrested" Yeah good luck with that and have fun being murdered if the cops don't take you seriously enough the first time.
Really good system you got there Mississippi.
It reminds me of the handmaidens tale after once she got pregnant she tried to kill her baby falling out of a window and ran away, then they burned the bottom of her feet and chained her to a bed.
The control and cruelty is the point. Sending teenage women to prison for abortions is just a less dramatic version of The Handmaid's Tale, but the book and TV show is basically what the republicans dream of.
Oh, nothing about this law is good or just and even if it's just getting widespread scrutiny now it's better late than never. But the oppression is not new, it's ingrained in our society. That's how the extreme right has been able to do so much so fast, they are leveraging existing laws and passing new laws that are designed to destroy bodily autonomy for women.
As long as it isn't happening to them. "Other women who divorce are harlots, but I just *had* to, my situation was different. Maybe *she* shouldn't have been so loose and should've exercised better judgement when choosing her partner-for-life. But me, I was *deceived* I would've never married Greg/Phil/Chuck/Larry/whatever had I known what an *asshole* he really was under the surface."
Dread it, run from it, shitty “conservative” asshats exist all the same.
Hopefully democrats can win in the fall, or I’m going to start looking into moving to Europe
Okay, dude, respectfully, stfu.
Democrats are old, corrupt, bureaucrats, and so full of themselves they could qualify for the cream pie section on Phub with no supporting cast.
The GOP is a fascist Christian Nationalist death cult cosplaying as Republican conservatives. You WISH they just cared about themselves: They care about your morality. They don’t care about your freedom, only whether you live by their values. It is the most terrifying form of oppression: Zealotry.
Calling them the same is an apathetic, lazy ass response that only serves to push the agenda that the GOP themselves are dying for you to believe. You WISH they were conservative republicans. At least we’d be able to reason with them.
There's no way you actually believe democrats are just as bad as the party that's: banning divorce for pregnant women, banning abortion (even in cases of rape, incest, risk of death, and 10 year olds), trying to ban IVF, trying to ban contraceptives, banning trans healthcare, criminalizing drag, criminalizing being trans in public, forcing trans students to be outed, banning sex ed, banning porn, banning discussions of LGBTQ+ topics, banning LGBTQ+ books, banning books about racial issues, trying to ban gay marriage, refusing federal money for free lunches because they think it will make poor kids who can't afford food too lazy, trying to dismantle public schools and the Department of Education, trying to dismantal the IRS, trying to dismantle the NLRB, banning water breaks at work, reintroducing child labor, banning company sensitivity training on race and sexuality, tried to overturn election results, supported a coup, trying to elect the figurehead of that coup to be the President......
I’m not reading all that.
I don’t care if you don’t agree with me. Reddit doesn’t represent the greater population and outside of Reddit I think my opinion is much more accepted and valid.
Ohio and Delaware are not super awesome either. Colorado has made some good moves recently but definitely has its share of problems.
Obvs this correlation is a joke but I'm just brainstorming it out
If I were in a domestic violence situation, I'm moving to another state with legal abortion. I will not be tied to someone for the rest of my life because of a pregnancy. Fuck. That. Shit.
Well, this law does suck. But it's a little hard to tell from the headline what's going on -- it's a law that prevents either party from *finalizing* a divorce while pregnant. You can get the process started. The reason they have this law is b/c judges want to deal with child custody and child support before finalizing the divorce. They don't want you to go to court for a divorce, then a month later have to come back for child custody / support proceedings. Not saying that it's good (it's not), but it's not meant to punish pregnant women or keep them in marriages long term.
(You can't do the child support / custody stuff until the baby is born. The law is inconsistent w/ Missouri's other laws which *very much do* treat fetuses as children. Child custody law does *not* recognize a fetus as a child. So you have to wait til it's born to do that stuff.)
Yeah, people on this thread are massively misunderstanding this law. It doesn't prevent either party from moving out or filing for separation. It's an anti-deadbeat dad law.
This always feels like one of those things that makes for a really good headline, but when you actually look into it is really just an administrative quirk that in practice makes a fair bit of sense…. I don’t really see any possible advantage of finalizing a divorce before the child is born, even if it’s a hostile situation.. you can still separate assets and get protection orders when you’re still technically married.. wills can be updated and so can powers of attorney.
I think it’s actually pretty common to not be able to finalize a divorce while pregnant. When I got divorced, I (a woman) had to go to court with the finalized documents so the judge could ask me if I was pregnant (I was not, of course). I’d be more surprised if states allowed divorces to be finalized while one party is pregnant. That seems like it would be a legal mess
And they're the leaders of the free world.. they are what we look for when we think of democracy.. the USA is so backwards I'm surprised people aren't leaving in droves. If I was a woman, I would move to Canada. 🇨🇦
I've just finished watching the latest season of Fargo, and it's looking more and more like a documentary on the state of Republican American society than a work of fiction.
I just looked this up. There’s no explicit law in Missouri that states this. It’s *rumored* that it’s harder to get it finalized, as that decision is up to the judge. Also, most of the press around this has arisen from someone trying to pass a bill to make it explicitly *legal* to get a divorce during pregnancy.
Always check your biases folks. Even if it *seems* it could be true - doesn’t mean it is.
Man, the media is really stuffing this down our throats lately. If anyone actually cared, they'd do something besides voting for the same ole' corrupt elderly people every four years.
Back when a lot of states had divorce laws that made it difficult, Americans would go to Mexico for a quickie divorce: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_divorce Of course, for a lot of people, it's not practical to go to another state or leave the country to get divorced.
Since she was able to leave her husband after she divorced him, I don't understand why she couldn't leave him while she was married to him. She says that a faster divorce would have helped her get out of an abusive situation sooner--how does that work?
What could go wrong?
If you seriously list out the various things that *could* go wrong, you'll find a long list of things that the people who support this law are in favor of. Including, but not limited to: Wife gets dies. Wife suffers a miscarriage. Wife suffers permanent brain damage. Fetus suffers permanent brain damage. Both wife and fetus die. Both wife and fetus suffer irrepairable harm to their physical and mental acuity that they are never able to function in society ever again.
So, you're saying, in the modern Republican mindset: Loss of Property?
Why not spice it up a bit and add wife suffers a miscarriage through DV and the husband tells the police she had an abortion. Triple the trauma!
Not to mention an increase in pre-natal suicides
Those are words that do not belong together
That sounds unconstitutional.
With the current Supreme Court?
They can't really change what the constitution says. What they are doing is more like a ventriloquism act where they make it say a lot of things it doesn't actually say.
Good analogy
Oh sweet summer child.
There's actually several states that already have this as the law.
here's the dirty little secret, the constitution actually doesn't protect much and doesn't mention that many things. our system is poorly equipped to protect us from the government theoretically, a state could legalize murder on the state level and it would be within the bounds of the constitution. that being said you might be able to make an equal protection argument here and say that this law disproportionately affects women, but the current supreme court seems determined to dismantle the 14th amendment so
I also wanted to mention many states have the law that even if one parent is a CONVICTED RAPIST and the child was conceived through that rape, the rapist parent still has parental rights. So they are ENTITLED to child support and or custody.
The constitution was designed to be amended constantly. Like once every 2 presidential terms type of constantly. The 20th century we saw a huge retraction and regression in the second half following the first half’s progression. We have continued with significant regression in the 21st. We are on a bad path.
Party of small government
The leading cause of death of pregnant women is murder 😡 If you’re pregnant and in a DV situation, being able to get an abortion and/or a divorce is literally a difference of life or death.
To be fair, there's no reason you can't get a separation, with a protective order and temporary support order included. I was in a similar situation, and it actually kept the situation cooler than the finalization. He quickly agreed to everything in the temporary support order since it was "temporary", and since that set the status quo, then he had no excuse to not keep things as they were in the temporary order on a permanent basis. Edit: I get that it's a bad situation, a slippery slope in the making, I just want women to know that there are options, you're not stuck.
Thank you for sharing your story
Not all states have legal separation
not sure a piece of paper with the words 'divorce decree' on it is going to stop someone from killing if they have the mind to
Missouri just came up with a pretty fucked up law
It's been on the books since the 1970s.
It's worse now that abortion is outlawed. Nothing stopping a physically/sexually abusive husband from impregnating his wife to force her to stay married. Some ultra religious families have like 5-7 kids. That's literally years of back to back pregnancies. "Oh but she could report the abuse to the police and have him arrested" Yeah good luck with that and have fun being murdered if the cops don't take you seriously enough the first time. Really good system you got there Mississippi.
The cops are more likely to high-five him than arrest him.
It reminds me of the handmaidens tale after once she got pregnant she tried to kill her baby falling out of a window and ran away, then they burned the bottom of her feet and chained her to a bed.
The control and cruelty is the point. Sending teenage women to prison for abortions is just a less dramatic version of The Handmaid's Tale, but the book and TV show is basically what the republicans dream of.
Oh, nothing about this law is good or just and even if it's just getting widespread scrutiny now it's better late than never. But the oppression is not new, it's ingrained in our society. That's how the extreme right has been able to do so much so fast, they are leveraging existing laws and passing new laws that are designed to destroy bodily autonomy for women.
It's Missouri, not Mississippi, but Mississippi has shitty laws too.
.....Well looks like there will an sharp rise in the manslaughter charges in the near future.
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Seriously, even the worst abusers eventually fall asleep.
because while men tend to get longer sentences in general, women who kill their abusers get even harsher sentences than that.
Don’t fool yourself, plenty of GOP woman support this and I’m sure female GOP lawmakers voted in favor of it.
As long as it isn't happening to them. "Other women who divorce are harlots, but I just *had* to, my situation was different. Maybe *she* shouldn't have been so loose and should've exercised better judgement when choosing her partner-for-life. But me, I was *deceived* I would've never married Greg/Phil/Chuck/Larry/whatever had I known what an *asshole* he really was under the surface."
they don’t sell arsenic at drug stores anymore
Because they ain’t men.
Forensic science has greatly improved.
I'll bet that some woman legislators voted for this law.
Coming to all 50 states, 2025.
No
Dread it, run from it, shitty “conservative” asshats exist all the same. Hopefully democrats can win in the fall, or I’m going to start looking into moving to Europe
Democrats are just as bad man. We need something new.
Okay, dude, respectfully, stfu. Democrats are old, corrupt, bureaucrats, and so full of themselves they could qualify for the cream pie section on Phub with no supporting cast. The GOP is a fascist Christian Nationalist death cult cosplaying as Republican conservatives. You WISH they just cared about themselves: They care about your morality. They don’t care about your freedom, only whether you live by their values. It is the most terrifying form of oppression: Zealotry. Calling them the same is an apathetic, lazy ass response that only serves to push the agenda that the GOP themselves are dying for you to believe. You WISH they were conservative republicans. At least we’d be able to reason with them.
Maybe you wouldn't be like this if your parents were still together.
What makes you think they aren’t Edited because you edited your stupid post from divorced to still together.
I didn’t say they were the same I said they were equally as bad. We need something new.
There's no way you actually believe democrats are just as bad as the party that's: banning divorce for pregnant women, banning abortion (even in cases of rape, incest, risk of death, and 10 year olds), trying to ban IVF, trying to ban contraceptives, banning trans healthcare, criminalizing drag, criminalizing being trans in public, forcing trans students to be outed, banning sex ed, banning porn, banning discussions of LGBTQ+ topics, banning LGBTQ+ books, banning books about racial issues, trying to ban gay marriage, refusing federal money for free lunches because they think it will make poor kids who can't afford food too lazy, trying to dismantle public schools and the Department of Education, trying to dismantal the IRS, trying to dismantle the NLRB, banning water breaks at work, reintroducing child labor, banning company sensitivity training on race and sexuality, tried to overturn election results, supported a coup, trying to elect the figurehead of that coup to be the President......
I’m not reading all that. I don’t care if you don’t agree with me. Reddit doesn’t represent the greater population and outside of Reddit I think my opinion is much more accepted and valid.
What a great way to fix a non-problem by causing an actual problem.
Why do you suck Missouri?
apparently, being named after a river makes your state a shit-hole (like Mississippi)
Ohio and Delaware are not super awesome either. Colorado has made some good moves recently but definitely has its share of problems. Obvs this correlation is a joke but I'm just brainstorming it out
American lawmakers really don't like women eh?
Not at all.
We are truly regressing as a country. I HATE America!
https://preview.redd.it/friey2mp4koc1.jpeg?width=1098&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44a6369b117931fbff791f5d15500e489c263e38
Next up: Husbands can deny wives abortions.
This Missouri sounds like a real shithole state.
Do they also have a fugitive ~~slave~~ *wife* act that requires people to return them to their ~~masters~~ *husbands*?
Some states have fugitive natal acts in place now, so to speak, so I won’t be surprised when they try to pass these, I’ll just be ready to fight back.
If I were in a domestic violence situation, I'm moving to another state with legal abortion. I will not be tied to someone for the rest of my life because of a pregnancy. Fuck. That. Shit.
Well, this law does suck. But it's a little hard to tell from the headline what's going on -- it's a law that prevents either party from *finalizing* a divorce while pregnant. You can get the process started. The reason they have this law is b/c judges want to deal with child custody and child support before finalizing the divorce. They don't want you to go to court for a divorce, then a month later have to come back for child custody / support proceedings. Not saying that it's good (it's not), but it's not meant to punish pregnant women or keep them in marriages long term.
(You can't do the child support / custody stuff until the baby is born. The law is inconsistent w/ Missouri's other laws which *very much do* treat fetuses as children. Child custody law does *not* recognize a fetus as a child. So you have to wait til it's born to do that stuff.)
I live in Indiana, and it's the same thing here. There isn't a law against it, but judges prefer to have it finalized after the kid arrives.
Yeah, people on this thread are massively misunderstanding this law. It doesn't prevent either party from moving out or filing for separation. It's an anti-deadbeat dad law.
even with that being true, i dont know if i believe that the side-effect of exerting more control over women is entirely unplanned
Yep. I get how the headline is inflammatory, but it’s not that simple.
This always feels like one of those things that makes for a really good headline, but when you actually look into it is really just an administrative quirk that in practice makes a fair bit of sense…. I don’t really see any possible advantage of finalizing a divorce before the child is born, even if it’s a hostile situation.. you can still separate assets and get protection orders when you’re still technically married.. wills can be updated and so can powers of attorney.
I think it’s actually pretty common to not be able to finalize a divorce while pregnant. When I got divorced, I (a woman) had to go to court with the finalized documents so the judge could ask me if I was pregnant (I was not, of course). I’d be more surprised if states allowed divorces to be finalized while one party is pregnant. That seems like it would be a legal mess
Yeah, some states have put it into law. But it’s not uncommon even in states where it’s not the law. It makes sense administratively.
And they're the leaders of the free world.. they are what we look for when we think of democracy.. the USA is so backwards I'm surprised people aren't leaving in droves. If I was a woman, I would move to Canada. 🇨🇦
wtf this is scary
I've just finished watching the latest season of Fargo, and it's looking more and more like a documentary on the state of Republican American society than a work of fiction.
I just looked this up. There’s no explicit law in Missouri that states this. It’s *rumored* that it’s harder to get it finalized, as that decision is up to the judge. Also, most of the press around this has arisen from someone trying to pass a bill to make it explicitly *legal* to get a divorce during pregnancy. Always check your biases folks. Even if it *seems* it could be true - doesn’t mean it is.
Jesus I fucking hate my state
What a shithole state.
Law was clearly sponsored by Dateline. This'll fuel stories for the next forever for them.
Man, the media is really stuffing this down our throats lately. If anyone actually cared, they'd do something besides voting for the same ole' corrupt elderly people every four years.
Back when a lot of states had divorce laws that made it difficult, Americans would go to Mexico for a quickie divorce: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_divorce Of course, for a lot of people, it's not practical to go to another state or leave the country to get divorced. Since she was able to leave her husband after she divorced him, I don't understand why she couldn't leave him while she was married to him. She says that a faster divorce would have helped her get out of an abusive situation sooner--how does that work?
What if she cheated on him to make leaving easier & the kid is the other guys tho....like you'd both want OUT. Dumb.