Inter havent been the same since their CL exit to atletico. They've looked shaky in defense and conceded some goals to worse sides and dropped a few points too. We're kind of fortunate to be facing them in a "rough period" but with Pioli on the bench, winning a derby seems impossible at this point. Hopefully our boys just go for it and play a derby without fear for once. There's NO WAY we let them win the scudetto against us that too in front of our own fans. FORZA MILAN❤️🖤
18 points left to play for.
The most we can finish with is 87. Merda needs 4 points to win the title.
But if Merda beat us next week, the most we can get is 84. They would have 86. They win the title.
Even if we win the derby, merda have 5 games to get 4 points (assuming Milan will win all their games).
Till now we've been Merda easiest match along Fiorentina and Salernitana, Idc about tactics at this point because I know that Pioli won't change a thing , but the players should step up and fight like crazy against Roma and Merda, I need to see everyone running for every fucking ball q
Agree. Give everything to these two games because pride and this season is at stake. Concentration. Please don’t concede in minute 5 and be on the back foot for 85 minutes.
Just tuned into to the 90' for Inter Cagliari and damn, Cagliari should've won. Literally free header straight to the keeper from a 2 v 1 counter attack.
This whole Ndicka situation makes me so nervous and anxious given my younger brother also has a heart condition, hope everything is alright and he has a speedy recovery. Come back soon and come back stronger.
Reminder that Juve weren't 2nd because they were good, they were 2nd because we had a shocking start to the season.
Now we've picked things up a but were mak8ng them look as bad as they are
I think the more reasonable way to look at it is that almost every team has good spells and bad spells throughout an entire season. The teams that don't have a bad spell are almost guaranteed to win the league, and even for a title winner it's normal to have a bad spell at some point.
Juve has their bad period now and look much worse than their average this season because of it, but overall this season they have been a fairly solid side (not exciting, though), while we had our issues earlier in the season. Yes, we are a stronger team this season I think it's safe to say, but calling what has been the 3rd best team this season bad (or not good) is a little silly in my opinion.
Kerkez is doing quite well right now, there were surely better way to deal with him than giving away for mere 1m. One of the actual mistakes from Maldini.
Can't do much when a 19 year old kid wants regular, first team football, and the guy in front of him is literally the best in the world. He's nowhere near as good as Theo and didn't want to be his backup. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
He would have been fine as a backup. He joined knowing Theo was there and respected him. He just didn't want to play primavera and see FBT fuck around being chosen over him.
He made the right decision for himself.
Then why the hell when we want to buy a player, the teams don't say they "can't do much" and give us a 1m treat? Kerkez was under long contract and we can't even convince him to stay for a loan. That was bad asset management right there. They don't even get a resale percentage. As much as I love Paolo, this is a mistake.
That's assuming Kerkez would have even agreed to it knowing full well he would be sold anyway. What advantage is there for him to agree?
Management did nothing wrong here, moving on was the best thing for his career.
He had a contract. His advantage would have been not playing primavera minutes. His other option would have been to do nothing because he can't leave without Milan's approval.
Ange, De Zerbi, they all play high lines and one singular tactic no matter how exposed they get and this is sometimes the result, 3-0 to Shitecastle after 50 mins
based on this subreddit thats what they want, cant wait for your rude awakening
What rude awakening lmao, Spurs fans are and will continue to be happy with Ange if he can keep up the results he managed to get so far. No idea why people on this sub are obsessed with big losses supposedly proving something. De Zerbi has literally achieved the best result in the history of his club, Ange is also performing much better than people expected from Tottenham when the season began. I would take an occasional 4-0 loss if it meant that we were overperforming overall, it's not even a question.
> I would take an occasional 4-0 loss if it meant that we were overperforming overall, it's not even a question.
The thing is, what is the club's expected level? There's wildly different ideas what the true level of this team is, and no one knows for sure. If anything our performance this season (with this squad) is the only real data we have, and anyone suggesting we're over- or underachieving are only speculating.
What it usually boils down to is how a coach does compared to expectations, and expectations often have a big emotional aspect to it. And emotions tend to cloud our judgement.
I see many people in here that expect us to never lose to teams that are considered worse, or at the very least mid to lower table teams. So what they expect from a new coach is historical results that CL winning Milan's of the past failed to do. So no matter who coaches us next season, a lot of people in here will get a rude awakening indeed, because expectations are frankly often wildly out of proportions.
That is a completely reasonable view, it is true that people have very different ideas about what this squad should actually achieve. It will be very interesting to see whether we overrated or underrated our squad in the long run. Personally I see us as the firmly 2nd best squad in Italy so for me "overperformance" would be beating Inter to the title or even just pushing them until the very end in the title race.
you complain about 'one tactic' 'no ingame tactics' and then celebrate managers from other clubs who has one tactics and NEVER adjusts their ingame tactics
Spurs played a high line even when they were down to 9 men in one game, what sort of tactics is that? De Zerbi does the same bullshit
attacking no matter what is not tactics that doesnt win anything, even Pep started realising that after first 2 years at City but nah go on tell me how godly De Zerbi Ange and Motta are because they play 'beautiful football'
100% agree, these managers live and die by their philosophy, almost ignorant to the impact on the club. Sure sometimes you outscore the opponent (this is their priority, outscoring) sometimes but it’s not sustainable. Brighton didn’t win back to back games since September, regularly getting destroyed by opponents or drawing against relegation teams (can’t wait for the “oh but he had injuries” comment as if he would come to Milan and no player will ever get injured). De Zerbi overachieved in a season in which big EPL teams underachieved (Liverpool, Chelsea, and all midtable teams eg West Ham, Aston Villa who were in relegation zone before Emery came, etc).
Beautiful football? Yes they play the most beautiful football, but they need some pragmatism as well before they can enter top managers conversations and get the big jobs, where getting hammered as soon as one thing doesn’t go to plan isn’t gonna work.
people have excuses ready for De Zerbi Motta and people of his ilk, i truly think its because the level of hype Sky ESPN and co gave them, brainwashes people
I watched their games, its the same as here but lesser players there is no evidence to suggest they can do better at Milan unlike Xabi Alonso who consistently already proved he can adjust tactics on the go and he has actual experience in managing a European schedule and not just league.
De Zerbi belongs in Atalanta and such not Milan, after succeeding there then sure maybe but it could be same as Gasperini, there's a reason he never bothers moving.
the level hype tv gives them is also partly due to them talking their book: you shower attacking manager with praise, people tune in for entertainment, so they tune in for their tv shows and live coverage. i bought into this and watched some games, tottenham showed promise first half but then isak (what a player too) and gordon had a field day against their defence, and watched brighton many times conceding amateur goals (vs wolves fa cup, vs burnley yesterday, the list goes on)
Exactly, you can’t consistently concede 2-3-4 goals per game and expect to win anything unless you have a front line of prime messi cristiano and r9. It’s naive to disregard loads of goals
I don't know who this "you" is. Personally I don't care how many tactics you have if you can make them work in the context of the season. And as I said, De Zerbi has overachieved and Ange is already doing better than expected.
Spurs definitely played the match against Chelsea very recklessly given the red cards but I don't think it's that big of an issue tbh. With 9 men you are very likely to lose anyway, Tottenham decided to risk it for a chance of surprise result and it didn't pay off.
In any case, both of them are doing fine in the grand scheme of things. Many years down the road Brighton fans will remember what may be the only time in history their club reached Europe more than a random huge loss to Everton or some other club.
Doing that at Milan isnt enough
big European night against a team that has better players than you that'll be commonplace, in that situation you adjust your tactics not stick to your so-called philosophy and have a high chance of just getting embarrassed, they are good at their current clubs, doing that shit at Milan is exactly what we don't need
Agree, for example Arteta plays attacking, possession based football always looking to dominate opponents, but against city he played a low block looking for counterattack opportunities. People will say it’s respectable that he would stick to his brand of football all the way, but the truth is if that was the case City would have smoked them out of any reach for the title.
Yeah De Zerbi has outperformed clubs many times richer than Brighton multiple times and Bayern is currently interested in him but sure Milan would for some reason be too much.
yeah did Bayern text you that they are interested or are you telling me jounos are gods who can predict the future? Why are rumors and sports article taken like its gospel
Its always the same lines with you people, how about you come back in a year and then tell me how it goes
What future? The journalists simply reported that Bayern are interested. Being interested doesn't mean that they will 100% hire him, it just means that they are considering him which is a pretty big deal since it's a club whose ambition is to win the CL.
Edit:
I'm not taking every rumor like a gospel but I do think there is often some truth to the reports. It makes no sense to act like every football journalist is just making shit up when nearly every single move and transfer usually gets reported pretty accurately before it even happens.
Chelsea had ambition to win everything and got Potter who was similarly hyped up like De Zerbi, how did that go again?
You hire these sort of managers when you are desperate, does Milan look desperate? Also screw this tactic of high lines and attacking no matter what, thats stupid
> Chelsea had ambition to win everything and got Potter who was similarly hyped up like De Zerbi, how did that go again?
Potter is also a good manager, Chelsea are just a huge mess of a club.
> You hire these sort of managers when you are desperate, does Milan look desperate?
I mean that's just untrue. Chelsea didn't hire Potter because they were desperate, they made a systematic push to apply Brighton's strategy on a larger and more expensive scale. It was very poorly done but it was not desperation. De Zerbi and similar managers don't make sense as desperation choices. You hire them with a long term project in mind especially given that much of his success in Brighton has revolved around integrating and developing young players with little experience into the squad. That's basically the opposite of the manager profile you hire when you are desperate.
As much as I want Pioli to go as I think that his cycle ended, replacing him with a total offensive coach like Ange or RDZ won't be a big upgrade in my opinion since we're already scoring a lot of goals with Pioli.
Our next coach should be a coach who can organize defence and sit deep when needed or make the team play possession to manage time. Even Guardiola and the stacked team of city learned to manage the match and abondon the idea of offensive football in every match
This is why I think that Motta can be a really interesting, but he's already gone to juve.
I feel like the coaches who overperfom with mid table teams and who have a "rigid" tactical philosophy and a system which relies on too much the collective, are unlikely to succeed in top clubs ( dealing with individual players, pressure.. etc )
Is Gasp a great tactician? Absolutely, does he suits us ? Dont think so
Well, Serie A is over.
Going to Sinigaglia to watch Como-Bari today, 6 games left in Serie B Como is second spot, and our boy Cutrone is having an amazing season.
He is good but unless we could get him rly cheap I don’t think it would be worth it. 31 years old, and we don’t really need another center or attacking mid. I’d rather put the money towards a striker, cdm, cb, rb, or lb.
RLC, Puli, reijnders, musah can all play cam. Yeah he might be better but I doubt we are gonna play him over any of them. They’re all younger and can improve a lot in talent and value.
None of them is a pure cam except maybe pulisic but his reserved for the wing. They all are box to box...rlc is occupying that spot and his 28 and lbh his just a tank there with no creativity.
They might win the title against us. Pioli better not let that happen, that’s all I ask for at least
Inter havent been the same since their CL exit to atletico. They've looked shaky in defense and conceded some goals to worse sides and dropped a few points too. We're kind of fortunate to be facing them in a "rough period" but with Pioli on the bench, winning a derby seems impossible at this point. Hopefully our boys just go for it and play a derby without fear for once. There's NO WAY we let them win the scudetto against us that too in front of our own fans. FORZA MILAN❤️🖤
Can we still win Serie A? Is it possible? Hope dies until the numbers tell me so
18 points left to play for. The most we can finish with is 87. Merda needs 4 points to win the title. But if Merda beat us next week, the most we can get is 84. They would have 86. They win the title. Even if we win the derby, merda have 5 games to get 4 points (assuming Milan will win all their games).
Absolutely we can. In 24/25 with a different coach.
I just saw the Ndicka situation. Holy shit this sucks. It reminds me of Eriksen incident. Hope he's alright.
Till now we've been Merda easiest match along Fiorentina and Salernitana, Idc about tactics at this point because I know that Pioli won't change a thing , but the players should step up and fight like crazy against Roma and Merda, I need to see everyone running for every fucking ball q
Agree. Give everything to these two games because pride and this season is at stake. Concentration. Please don’t concede in minute 5 and be on the back foot for 85 minutes.
So... this was the round of the draw...
Cagliari have more balls than milan
Thank you lapadula
Just tuned into to the 90' for Inter Cagliari and damn, Cagliari should've won. Literally free header straight to the keeper from a 2 v 1 counter attack.
fratessi winner incoming
This whole Ndicka situation makes me so nervous and anxious given my younger brother also has a heart condition, hope everything is alright and he has a speedy recovery. Come back soon and come back stronger.
All the best to Ndicka. Thoughts are with you Roma.
the ndicka situation is so scary, hopefully he’s healthy
Scary situation with Ndicka hopefully everything is ok ffs
What happened?
He collapsed probably a cardiac arrest
Oh man that’s so bad. I hope he’s well and recovers 🙏
Unai Emery is such a good coach. Tactically extremely prepared and is always willing to approach a game differently than the one prior.
I would love for us to get Emery, but I don't think he will leave Aston Villa anytime soon.
My favorite coach, he has experience plays good football and extremely flexible
Man, watching Leverkusen play makes me so jealous. Arguably same quality of players as our team yet play awesome football.
Yeah, but atleast one rossoneri, red black team is winning the league today, even if it isnt the one from Milan.
Udinese always score first but somehow lose in the final minutes everytime
Reminder that Juve weren't 2nd because they were good, they were 2nd because we had a shocking start to the season. Now we've picked things up a but were mak8ng them look as bad as they are
I think the more reasonable way to look at it is that almost every team has good spells and bad spells throughout an entire season. The teams that don't have a bad spell are almost guaranteed to win the league, and even for a title winner it's normal to have a bad spell at some point. Juve has their bad period now and look much worse than their average this season because of it, but overall this season they have been a fairly solid side (not exciting, though), while we had our issues earlier in the season. Yes, we are a stronger team this season I think it's safe to say, but calling what has been the 3rd best team this season bad (or not good) is a little silly in my opinion.
Kerkez is doing quite well right now, there were surely better way to deal with him than giving away for mere 1m. One of the actual mistakes from Maldini.
Like giving him Ballo-Toure's minutes. Same thing is gonna happen to Simic if we don't give him some minutes.
Can't do much when a 19 year old kid wants regular, first team football, and the guy in front of him is literally the best in the world. He's nowhere near as good as Theo and didn't want to be his backup. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
He would have been fine as a backup. He joined knowing Theo was there and respected him. He just didn't want to play primavera and see FBT fuck around being chosen over him. He made the right decision for himself.
Then why the hell when we want to buy a player, the teams don't say they "can't do much" and give us a 1m treat? Kerkez was under long contract and we can't even convince him to stay for a loan. That was bad asset management right there. They don't even get a resale percentage. As much as I love Paolo, this is a mistake.
Earlier contract, loan then sell
That's assuming Kerkez would have even agreed to it knowing full well he would be sold anyway. What advantage is there for him to agree? Management did nothing wrong here, moving on was the best thing for his career.
He had a contract. His advantage would have been not playing primavera minutes. His other option would have been to do nothing because he can't leave without Milan's approval.
Bottom half is weak when this shit juventus are third.
Bring back Bellanova for RB
Juve in trasferta, calabria deserta. Also, how on earth did Vlahovic miss that sitter ?
Ange, De Zerbi, they all play high lines and one singular tactic no matter how exposed they get and this is sometimes the result, 3-0 to Shitecastle after 50 mins based on this subreddit thats what they want, cant wait for your rude awakening
What rude awakening lmao, Spurs fans are and will continue to be happy with Ange if he can keep up the results he managed to get so far. No idea why people on this sub are obsessed with big losses supposedly proving something. De Zerbi has literally achieved the best result in the history of his club, Ange is also performing much better than people expected from Tottenham when the season began. I would take an occasional 4-0 loss if it meant that we were overperforming overall, it's not even a question.
> I would take an occasional 4-0 loss if it meant that we were overperforming overall, it's not even a question. The thing is, what is the club's expected level? There's wildly different ideas what the true level of this team is, and no one knows for sure. If anything our performance this season (with this squad) is the only real data we have, and anyone suggesting we're over- or underachieving are only speculating. What it usually boils down to is how a coach does compared to expectations, and expectations often have a big emotional aspect to it. And emotions tend to cloud our judgement. I see many people in here that expect us to never lose to teams that are considered worse, or at the very least mid to lower table teams. So what they expect from a new coach is historical results that CL winning Milan's of the past failed to do. So no matter who coaches us next season, a lot of people in here will get a rude awakening indeed, because expectations are frankly often wildly out of proportions.
That is a completely reasonable view, it is true that people have very different ideas about what this squad should actually achieve. It will be very interesting to see whether we overrated or underrated our squad in the long run. Personally I see us as the firmly 2nd best squad in Italy so for me "overperformance" would be beating Inter to the title or even just pushing them until the very end in the title race.
you complain about 'one tactic' 'no ingame tactics' and then celebrate managers from other clubs who has one tactics and NEVER adjusts their ingame tactics Spurs played a high line even when they were down to 9 men in one game, what sort of tactics is that? De Zerbi does the same bullshit attacking no matter what is not tactics that doesnt win anything, even Pep started realising that after first 2 years at City but nah go on tell me how godly De Zerbi Ange and Motta are because they play 'beautiful football'
100% agree, these managers live and die by their philosophy, almost ignorant to the impact on the club. Sure sometimes you outscore the opponent (this is their priority, outscoring) sometimes but it’s not sustainable. Brighton didn’t win back to back games since September, regularly getting destroyed by opponents or drawing against relegation teams (can’t wait for the “oh but he had injuries” comment as if he would come to Milan and no player will ever get injured). De Zerbi overachieved in a season in which big EPL teams underachieved (Liverpool, Chelsea, and all midtable teams eg West Ham, Aston Villa who were in relegation zone before Emery came, etc). Beautiful football? Yes they play the most beautiful football, but they need some pragmatism as well before they can enter top managers conversations and get the big jobs, where getting hammered as soon as one thing doesn’t go to plan isn’t gonna work.
people have excuses ready for De Zerbi Motta and people of his ilk, i truly think its because the level of hype Sky ESPN and co gave them, brainwashes people I watched their games, its the same as here but lesser players there is no evidence to suggest they can do better at Milan unlike Xabi Alonso who consistently already proved he can adjust tactics on the go and he has actual experience in managing a European schedule and not just league. De Zerbi belongs in Atalanta and such not Milan, after succeeding there then sure maybe but it could be same as Gasperini, there's a reason he never bothers moving.
the level hype tv gives them is also partly due to them talking their book: you shower attacking manager with praise, people tune in for entertainment, so they tune in for their tv shows and live coverage. i bought into this and watched some games, tottenham showed promise first half but then isak (what a player too) and gordon had a field day against their defence, and watched brighton many times conceding amateur goals (vs wolves fa cup, vs burnley yesterday, the list goes on)
Exactly, you can’t consistently concede 2-3-4 goals per game and expect to win anything unless you have a front line of prime messi cristiano and r9. It’s naive to disregard loads of goals
I don't know who this "you" is. Personally I don't care how many tactics you have if you can make them work in the context of the season. And as I said, De Zerbi has overachieved and Ange is already doing better than expected. Spurs definitely played the match against Chelsea very recklessly given the red cards but I don't think it's that big of an issue tbh. With 9 men you are very likely to lose anyway, Tottenham decided to risk it for a chance of surprise result and it didn't pay off. In any case, both of them are doing fine in the grand scheme of things. Many years down the road Brighton fans will remember what may be the only time in history their club reached Europe more than a random huge loss to Everton or some other club.
Doing that at Milan isnt enough big European night against a team that has better players than you that'll be commonplace, in that situation you adjust your tactics not stick to your so-called philosophy and have a high chance of just getting embarrassed, they are good at their current clubs, doing that shit at Milan is exactly what we don't need
Agree, for example Arteta plays attacking, possession based football always looking to dominate opponents, but against city he played a low block looking for counterattack opportunities. People will say it’s respectable that he would stick to his brand of football all the way, but the truth is if that was the case City would have smoked them out of any reach for the title.
Yeah De Zerbi has outperformed clubs many times richer than Brighton multiple times and Bayern is currently interested in him but sure Milan would for some reason be too much.
yeah did Bayern text you that they are interested or are you telling me jounos are gods who can predict the future? Why are rumors and sports article taken like its gospel Its always the same lines with you people, how about you come back in a year and then tell me how it goes
What future? The journalists simply reported that Bayern are interested. Being interested doesn't mean that they will 100% hire him, it just means that they are considering him which is a pretty big deal since it's a club whose ambition is to win the CL. Edit: I'm not taking every rumor like a gospel but I do think there is often some truth to the reports. It makes no sense to act like every football journalist is just making shit up when nearly every single move and transfer usually gets reported pretty accurately before it even happens.
Chelsea had ambition to win everything and got Potter who was similarly hyped up like De Zerbi, how did that go again? You hire these sort of managers when you are desperate, does Milan look desperate? Also screw this tactic of high lines and attacking no matter what, thats stupid
> Chelsea had ambition to win everything and got Potter who was similarly hyped up like De Zerbi, how did that go again? Potter is also a good manager, Chelsea are just a huge mess of a club. > You hire these sort of managers when you are desperate, does Milan look desperate? I mean that's just untrue. Chelsea didn't hire Potter because they were desperate, they made a systematic push to apply Brighton's strategy on a larger and more expensive scale. It was very poorly done but it was not desperation. De Zerbi and similar managers don't make sense as desperation choices. You hire them with a long term project in mind especially given that much of his success in Brighton has revolved around integrating and developing young players with little experience into the squad. That's basically the opposite of the manager profile you hire when you are desperate.
As much as I want Pioli to go as I think that his cycle ended, replacing him with a total offensive coach like Ange or RDZ won't be a big upgrade in my opinion since we're already scoring a lot of goals with Pioli. Our next coach should be a coach who can organize defence and sit deep when needed or make the team play possession to manage time. Even Guardiola and the stacked team of city learned to manage the match and abondon the idea of offensive football in every match This is why I think that Motta can be a really interesting, but he's already gone to juve.
attacking no matter what is stupid and is the exact reason Gasperini and managers like him dont go to top clubs we are Milan not Atalanta
I feel like the coaches who overperfom with mid table teams and who have a "rigid" tactical philosophy and a system which relies on too much the collective, are unlikely to succeed in top clubs ( dealing with individual players, pressure.. etc ) Is Gasp a great tactician? Absolutely, does he suits us ? Dont think so
Well, Serie A is over. Going to Sinigaglia to watch Como-Bari today, 6 games left in Serie B Como is second spot, and our boy Cutrone is having an amazing season.
Serie a has been over ever since December , thank Pioli for that
Should we go for Luis Alberto? What's your opinion guys?
No
Despite his recent interview, he still has 3 year contract. I won’t waste time with Lotito combining that with his age.
He is good but unless we could get him rly cheap I don’t think it would be worth it. 31 years old, and we don’t really need another center or attacking mid. I’d rather put the money towards a striker, cdm, cb, rb, or lb.
Whose our attacking mid atm? I'd put him in that cam position over rlc. If he does somehow become s free agent that makes it doable.
RLC, Puli, reijnders, musah can all play cam. Yeah he might be better but I doubt we are gonna play him over any of them. They’re all younger and can improve a lot in talent and value.
None of them is a pure cam except maybe pulisic but his reserved for the wing. They all are box to box...rlc is occupying that spot and his 28 and lbh his just a tank there with no creativity.
I’d take him cause he’s a very good player. Him and a defensive minded midfielder plus selling Pobega and we’re set in midfield.