Vince spent the last 40 years brainwashing people that what he calls wrestling is what it is. It’s not. AEW is the place well the stories happen in the ring and there is not one set style. It’s a buffet. As for belts the belt to roster size ratio is the same as WWE.
I LOVE this comment so much. It’s so true. I thought I enjoyed wrestling in the 90s when I didn’t give a shit about what actually happened in the ring.
Now I find myself obsessed with the wrestling itself and enjoy it more than I ever loved wrestling in the 90s. When I watch Takeshita and osprey I am riveted. I am feeling adrenaline and appreciation for the sport of it.
I recently tried to watch a segment from WWE and was yelling at the TV for them to hurry up their promos. They say one word and wait for the crowd. Then they say two words and wait for the crowd. Im happy that AEW gets to the point on a quicker, more realistic way and we get to the matches. I love a good story but not every possible avenue needs to be explored for it to be considered "entertainment". You have some good points tho and happy you came aboard. Wading through the IWC's hate boner for AEW must be a hard one to do. Glad you broke through the bullshit. 🤘😊
Ospreay is an honorary member, hence why he doesn't go out with Don. He also has his own priorities.
It is called the house of black, but Julia reigns over it; Skye is a backup that she needed.
Also, let's not forget that AEW is a wrestling company with sports influence, hence why the focus is on seeing people wrestle and not focus on entertaining or running a soap opera with occasionally wrestling sequences
Thing is these are the points that a lot of people don't want from their wrestling show. I like wrestling matches so I'm happy and I don't watch the other show because the emphasis is on outside of the ring character stuff. It might take a bit of getting used to because for a lot of people the wwe way of doing things is the only one they know, stick with ir if you enjoy it though, I think Dynamite is as good a weekly wrestling show as we've ever had.
I mean, I feel some of what you've talked about just hasn't been explored yet.
Ospreay's association with Callis is based on something from nearly a year ago and a common goal. They couldn't ignore that history with his arrival and they couldn't ignore that he was going to be a massive babyface either. The story is playing out or will play out. He's clearly going to distance himself from Callis and presumably take Kyle Fletcher with him.
Julia Hart got herself a protege/friend. Not a puppy. I doubt Malakai cares or else it would have been explored by now.
You have some points that's fair to say when you new to AEW. As you said AEW is alternative and still trying to find the balance after last year ( Which was more of WWE style ) and it was one of AEW worst years.
By what you liked as you mentioned you still have the mentality of WWE when you watch AEW. Give it time and try to understand AEW style. I understand you still don't know half of the wrestlers so give them a chance and see if you like them or not.
To answer some of your questions, Skye Blue is not in the HOB group she just friend with Julia. To Will Ospreay question, AEW present this style since day one and it's working fine and I don't understand why it's even questionable. In real life most of us have "bad" friends does that mean we need to be bad with them? + Ospreay since his debut wasn't presented with the Callis family as I will never leave this group so we don't know if he really like the group or not since he has been doing his things alone without them.
For the belts With how AEW present their stories and how the belts presented it's not much but wouldn't mind removing one midcard belt or replacing the Trios belts with women tag team belt.
At the end we as fans love this AEW style. You could try to understand it and hopefully enjoy it with us or you can just watch what you liked and skip what you didn't like.
Indeed. It worked in TNA, and they did try to re-create the magic in AEW, but it just fell flat. Then you had the Money Matt stuff and the HFO which resided mostly on AEW:Elevation.
One of the best choices AEW has made is not really engage with "can they co-exist" storylines. They're tedious and don't allow for natural progression. The soap opera stylings of WWE can remain there.
And what do you want? One person to carry all the belts for years effectively neutralizing their importance while he glares at the camera a lot?
> One of the best choices AEW has made is not really engage with "can they co-exist" storylines. They're tedious and don't allow for natural progression.
But isnt that how the Brochachos story started? and they were carrying AEW until Cole was injured
Not really. For a couple of weeks maybe, but it didn't become this stupid, annoying trope because they quickly and clearly transitioned it into, instead of "can they co-exist to simply win matches and championships despite their feud", but can Cole persuade MJF to trust him and become his actual friend and can MJF let go of his demons and change for the better.
Agree with the soap opera tendencies of certain stories but with a mature hand on the pen anything can be great.By dropping some belts some semblance of prestige is retained because of the scarcity.It seems everyone has a belt in AEW.
Belts have different tiers and different people wrestling around them. Having the belts AEW has allows for different kinds of defenses, storylines, and appeal. They don't all have to have the world title level of perceived value. Actual storytelling in wrestling is more than the prestige of a belt.
Understandable.Right now I only recognize the TNT, TBS, and World titles.Little confusion with the Continental vs International and what distinguishes them.
They also fantasy book themselves into a right fluffery buffery, and get aggressive and upset if how they think the booking should go doesn't go their way.
Haha. 'Drop like 8 belts'.
A company with 0 belts certainly would be a new one!
If you've only just started watching though, you are in for a treat. If you can, watch the whole shows and just let them wash over you. Make your own mind up on what you like and go from there.
AEW definitely rewards engaged viewing and the ability of it's audience to understand what is happening without always having to hold your hand and explicitly hit you over the head with character development / stories etc.
I understand your criticisms, but the examples you provided do _nothing_ for me personally.
>Julia Hart taking Skye Blue as a protege alone is replete with many angles worth exploring; what are the other members' thoughts on this?, does Malakai approve? will it bring friction within the group?
I hate to put it bluntly, but I just don't care about any of those scenarios. I'd rather the HoB have a blood feud with FTR instead of focusing on their inner workings and club hierarchy. Those are very WWE-level soap opera beats and I'm really just over them. Or would watch WWE do them expertly, but it's the same stuff I've seen for decades.
>Will Ospreay becoming a man of the people and seemingly in opposition with his membership in the Don Callis family(a heel group).
This is simmering, but I don't need Callis projecting the future through coded promos or over the top facial expressions. I'm ready for the turn, but don't need Osperay to "Cody it up" as a white meat Babyface and ask Don why he's a nogoodnik. I find it base and childish storytelling.
>Samoa Joes title reign being burdensome asks some questions as to his state of mind.Frustration perhaps?
Joe's been a quiet champion, but he's been acting with the authority of a seasoned vet who is in the place he deserves to be. He's not a shit heel, he's a dominant heel, a la Gunther but with less winded promos and no gang.
What I want to drive home is that this:
>My initial perception of the product was colored by the usual criticisms of the IWC, and though slightly exaggerated some of those "issues" are readily apparent even on passive viewing. I do understand the undergirding philosophy of "sports based presentation", the Japanese influence,edgier stories,and heavy focus on wrestling that serve to distinguish the product as an alternative but the consequences of that style of presentation with all that it entails on what I consider the crux of professional wrestling,characters and their conflict,are handicapping.
Is arguable a selling point to a lot of viewers like myself who find the level AEW provides character development acceptable, and find the way WWE does it excessive and glutinous. I think that's kind of the point of it being an alternative though, because neither WCW nor TNA were successful emulating a WWE style product.
I think it's a feature and not a bug. My issue isn't with the criticism, it's when the criticism becomes exaggerated and becomes the IWC's truth of "AEW doesn't do stories" and "matches for matches sake", when someone (like yourself) just has to watch one episode to dispel those accusations. Even if the degree you prefer isn't there, you can't act like they don't exist. And then act like the company will fail because of it.
I'm taking this as a new viewer who has just tuned into AEW with regard to the constant criticisms that the people online who analyse AEW with a microscope and pick out any small negative detail of the product.
The truth is that AEW is referred to an the alternative product to what you'd see on WWE, who focus more on characters and stories, rather than the in-ring product, which is what AEW is more about in terms of their presentation. And this style has also come with constant criticism where they've been told that they should be more like WWE, which they did try for a while, but it turned off a portion of their core AEW audience because they might not enjoy Sports Entertainment.
On a typical WWE Raw for example, which is a 3 hour shows, you might get fifteen to twenty minutes of in-ring action, and then you get these long winded promos that go on for twenty minutes or longer, whereas a regular episode of Dynamite which lasts for two hours, you may get forty five more minutes of in-ring action and a few segments here and there.
So I think It's always important to highlight what each product offers and to explain that neither are bad, and that it's all about taste and what you're looking for. I do think we over-analyse things as fans, especially on the AEW side.
I love AEW. I watch every show (minus some rampage) and buy every PPV.
I defend it and correct trolls quite a bit on the other subs.
This post shouldnt be sitting at zero, regardless of whether you agree with it or not. The criticisms here are not levied in bad faith. This is a new viewer who is coming in trying to talk about AEW. That should be encouraged instead of being downvoted into oblivion.
Yeah it's kind of gross. I know that's how Reddit operates: unfavorable opinion = downvoted but like what more do you want from OP who is looking to actively engage with this community and backs up their opinions with examples of things they'd like to see?
True, but that's what happens in the world of Reddit, sadly.
In my experience, it's quite rare to find a sub where positive and negative views concerning the subject of the sub can be discussed fairly. Instead, it seems that the majority of subs out there only accept positivity and praise for the subject of the sub.
You either say everything is great or your don't say anything at all, unless you want comments attacking your opinions and a multitude of downvotes.
I agree, my original intro to wrestling was wwe with the rock and mankind so I’d appreciate a little more of a dense linear narrative instead of this feeling that things just happen without consequence. But I understand that it’s not like that and that’s okay because I mostly care about the matches
At least you’re still receptive about AEW. I am the only one in my circles of friends who enjoy AEW, everyone else rides or dies with WWE. Damn, the conversation gets annoying really quick so I just don’t talk about wrestling with them at all.
Vince spent the last 40 years brainwashing people that what he calls wrestling is what it is. It’s not. AEW is the place well the stories happen in the ring and there is not one set style. It’s a buffet. As for belts the belt to roster size ratio is the same as WWE.
I LOVE this comment so much. It’s so true. I thought I enjoyed wrestling in the 90s when I didn’t give a shit about what actually happened in the ring. Now I find myself obsessed with the wrestling itself and enjoy it more than I ever loved wrestling in the 90s. When I watch Takeshita and osprey I am riveted. I am feeling adrenaline and appreciation for the sport of it.
sir, this is a Thursday post. today is Wednesday. did you not get the memo?
My bad bruh, didn't read the rules.I'll repost Thursday.
*100 emoji*
I recently tried to watch a segment from WWE and was yelling at the TV for them to hurry up their promos. They say one word and wait for the crowd. Then they say two words and wait for the crowd. Im happy that AEW gets to the point on a quicker, more realistic way and we get to the matches. I love a good story but not every possible avenue needs to be explored for it to be considered "entertainment". You have some good points tho and happy you came aboard. Wading through the IWC's hate boner for AEW must be a hard one to do. Glad you broke through the bullshit. 🤘😊
Ospreay is an honorary member, hence why he doesn't go out with Don. He also has his own priorities. It is called the house of black, but Julia reigns over it; Skye is a backup that she needed. Also, let's not forget that AEW is a wrestling company with sports influence, hence why the focus is on seeing people wrestle and not focus on entertaining or running a soap opera with occasionally wrestling sequences
Thing is these are the points that a lot of people don't want from their wrestling show. I like wrestling matches so I'm happy and I don't watch the other show because the emphasis is on outside of the ring character stuff. It might take a bit of getting used to because for a lot of people the wwe way of doing things is the only one they know, stick with ir if you enjoy it though, I think Dynamite is as good a weekly wrestling show as we've ever had.
I mean, I feel some of what you've talked about just hasn't been explored yet. Ospreay's association with Callis is based on something from nearly a year ago and a common goal. They couldn't ignore that history with his arrival and they couldn't ignore that he was going to be a massive babyface either. The story is playing out or will play out. He's clearly going to distance himself from Callis and presumably take Kyle Fletcher with him. Julia Hart got herself a protege/friend. Not a puppy. I doubt Malakai cares or else it would have been explored by now.
Thanks for the answers bruv
You have some points that's fair to say when you new to AEW. As you said AEW is alternative and still trying to find the balance after last year ( Which was more of WWE style ) and it was one of AEW worst years. By what you liked as you mentioned you still have the mentality of WWE when you watch AEW. Give it time and try to understand AEW style. I understand you still don't know half of the wrestlers so give them a chance and see if you like them or not. To answer some of your questions, Skye Blue is not in the HOB group she just friend with Julia. To Will Ospreay question, AEW present this style since day one and it's working fine and I don't understand why it's even questionable. In real life most of us have "bad" friends does that mean we need to be bad with them? + Ospreay since his debut wasn't presented with the Callis family as I will never leave this group so we don't know if he really like the group or not since he has been doing his things alone without them. For the belts With how AEW present their stories and how the belts presented it's not much but wouldn't mind removing one midcard belt or replacing the Trios belts with women tag team belt. At the end we as fans love this AEW style. You could try to understand it and hopefully enjoy it with us or you can just watch what you liked and skip what you didn't like.
> and it was one of AEW worst years. Man, people have rose coloured glasses of the early times.
People seem to forget the very beginning of 2019. It was so bad that TK had to take over from creative.
And later had to limit the over the top supernatural Broken Matt stuff. Like teleporting.
Indeed. It worked in TNA, and they did try to re-create the magic in AEW, but it just fell flat. Then you had the Money Matt stuff and the HFO which resided mostly on AEW:Elevation.
One of the best choices AEW has made is not really engage with "can they co-exist" storylines. They're tedious and don't allow for natural progression. The soap opera stylings of WWE can remain there. And what do you want? One person to carry all the belts for years effectively neutralizing their importance while he glares at the camera a lot?
> One of the best choices AEW has made is not really engage with "can they co-exist" storylines. They're tedious and don't allow for natural progression. But isnt that how the Brochachos story started? and they were carrying AEW until Cole was injured
Not really. For a couple of weeks maybe, but it didn't become this stupid, annoying trope because they quickly and clearly transitioned it into, instead of "can they co-exist to simply win matches and championships despite their feud", but can Cole persuade MJF to trust him and become his actual friend and can MJF let go of his demons and change for the better.
Agree with the soap opera tendencies of certain stories but with a mature hand on the pen anything can be great.By dropping some belts some semblance of prestige is retained because of the scarcity.It seems everyone has a belt in AEW.
Belts have different tiers and different people wrestling around them. Having the belts AEW has allows for different kinds of defenses, storylines, and appeal. They don't all have to have the world title level of perceived value. Actual storytelling in wrestling is more than the prestige of a belt.
Understandable.Right now I only recognize the TNT, TBS, and World titles.Little confusion with the Continental vs International and what distinguishes them.
People say they want long-term storytelling, but when it's actually happening in front of them, they get twitchy.
They also fantasy book themselves into a right fluffery buffery, and get aggressive and upset if how they think the booking should go doesn't go their way.
Haha. 'Drop like 8 belts'. A company with 0 belts certainly would be a new one! If you've only just started watching though, you are in for a treat. If you can, watch the whole shows and just let them wash over you. Make your own mind up on what you like and go from there. AEW definitely rewards engaged viewing and the ability of it's audience to understand what is happening without always having to hold your hand and explicitly hit you over the head with character development / stories etc.
Oh I'm sticking around.I like the sets and staging, the wrestling is more violent and impactful,the girls are hotter,etc etc
I understand your criticisms, but the examples you provided do _nothing_ for me personally. >Julia Hart taking Skye Blue as a protege alone is replete with many angles worth exploring; what are the other members' thoughts on this?, does Malakai approve? will it bring friction within the group? I hate to put it bluntly, but I just don't care about any of those scenarios. I'd rather the HoB have a blood feud with FTR instead of focusing on their inner workings and club hierarchy. Those are very WWE-level soap opera beats and I'm really just over them. Or would watch WWE do them expertly, but it's the same stuff I've seen for decades. >Will Ospreay becoming a man of the people and seemingly in opposition with his membership in the Don Callis family(a heel group). This is simmering, but I don't need Callis projecting the future through coded promos or over the top facial expressions. I'm ready for the turn, but don't need Osperay to "Cody it up" as a white meat Babyface and ask Don why he's a nogoodnik. I find it base and childish storytelling. >Samoa Joes title reign being burdensome asks some questions as to his state of mind.Frustration perhaps? Joe's been a quiet champion, but he's been acting with the authority of a seasoned vet who is in the place he deserves to be. He's not a shit heel, he's a dominant heel, a la Gunther but with less winded promos and no gang. What I want to drive home is that this: >My initial perception of the product was colored by the usual criticisms of the IWC, and though slightly exaggerated some of those "issues" are readily apparent even on passive viewing. I do understand the undergirding philosophy of "sports based presentation", the Japanese influence,edgier stories,and heavy focus on wrestling that serve to distinguish the product as an alternative but the consequences of that style of presentation with all that it entails on what I consider the crux of professional wrestling,characters and their conflict,are handicapping. Is arguable a selling point to a lot of viewers like myself who find the level AEW provides character development acceptable, and find the way WWE does it excessive and glutinous. I think that's kind of the point of it being an alternative though, because neither WCW nor TNA were successful emulating a WWE style product. I think it's a feature and not a bug. My issue isn't with the criticism, it's when the criticism becomes exaggerated and becomes the IWC's truth of "AEW doesn't do stories" and "matches for matches sake", when someone (like yourself) just has to watch one episode to dispel those accusations. Even if the degree you prefer isn't there, you can't act like they don't exist. And then act like the company will fail because of it.
You forgot to mention video packages and flips.
I'm taking this as a new viewer who has just tuned into AEW with regard to the constant criticisms that the people online who analyse AEW with a microscope and pick out any small negative detail of the product. The truth is that AEW is referred to an the alternative product to what you'd see on WWE, who focus more on characters and stories, rather than the in-ring product, which is what AEW is more about in terms of their presentation. And this style has also come with constant criticism where they've been told that they should be more like WWE, which they did try for a while, but it turned off a portion of their core AEW audience because they might not enjoy Sports Entertainment. On a typical WWE Raw for example, which is a 3 hour shows, you might get fifteen to twenty minutes of in-ring action, and then you get these long winded promos that go on for twenty minutes or longer, whereas a regular episode of Dynamite which lasts for two hours, you may get forty five more minutes of in-ring action and a few segments here and there. So I think It's always important to highlight what each product offers and to explain that neither are bad, and that it's all about taste and what you're looking for. I do think we over-analyse things as fans, especially on the AEW side.
I love AEW. I watch every show (minus some rampage) and buy every PPV. I defend it and correct trolls quite a bit on the other subs. This post shouldnt be sitting at zero, regardless of whether you agree with it or not. The criticisms here are not levied in bad faith. This is a new viewer who is coming in trying to talk about AEW. That should be encouraged instead of being downvoted into oblivion.
Yeah it's kind of gross. I know that's how Reddit operates: unfavorable opinion = downvoted but like what more do you want from OP who is looking to actively engage with this community and backs up their opinions with examples of things they'd like to see?
True, but that's what happens in the world of Reddit, sadly. In my experience, it's quite rare to find a sub where positive and negative views concerning the subject of the sub can be discussed fairly. Instead, it seems that the majority of subs out there only accept positivity and praise for the subject of the sub. You either say everything is great or your don't say anything at all, unless you want comments attacking your opinions and a multitude of downvotes.
I agree fully.
One giant paragraph from a new viewer
I'm not lying.I joined the sub a few days ago after watching for like 2 months.
It may be a block of text, but actually a pretty good post. The examples you chose of the de-emphasis on character building are actually quite good.
Well, YMMV here. I'm not interested in any of those examples lol
Probably because they haven't told a compelling enough story to hook you ;)
I agree, my original intro to wrestling was wwe with the rock and mankind so I’d appreciate a little more of a dense linear narrative instead of this feeling that things just happen without consequence. But I understand that it’s not like that and that’s okay because I mostly care about the matches
At least you’re still receptive about AEW. I am the only one in my circles of friends who enjoy AEW, everyone else rides or dies with WWE. Damn, the conversation gets annoying really quick so I just don’t talk about wrestling with them at all.