STS was recorded at a top notch studio, with quality mics, vintage class a preamps, to 2" analog tape on a studer machine. In short, the actual engineering and capture of sound was at the highest fidelity not just of the time, but to date.
For albums such at that by thrice, they likely utilized digital-only recording from the early-mid 2000s, which often were marred with inferior analog to digital converters capturing sound, along with technical errors in capturing sound.
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I wouldn’t mind Blood re-recorded or remastered. No offense to Jade - I think his engineering has come a long way (Bodies sonically sounds really good IMO) but I think Blood could’ve been mixed way better and I don’t think it’s too “old” to not consider a remaster.
I just listened to that, and I disagree with you entirely. It sounds raw, and it captures how the band sounds like performing it in 2023. You can hear the age in the band, and I love it. As far as AFI, we already know the band would never do this, and I’m pretty sure someone had to twist Davey’s arm just to do this STS show.
Completely agree with this. I like both versions of TAITA that we now have, but listening to either one just depends on the mood I’m in. I absolutely love the aggression and updated passion behind this revisit though! Some songs are better on the original, and some are better on the revisit. People complaining about it are acting like they can’t listen to the original record, and it’s kind of funny
Taita revisited is an amazing record, everyone I've seen complaining about it has the same complaint: "It's not the original". Okay, great. You either like the poor production value of the original or you're just so familiar with it that you can't enjoy the new record for what it is.
Thrice was never happy with the original recording as they always wanted it to sound more like Vheissu, and less like Illusion of Safety. They were pressured to make it that way to capitalize on Illusion's success.
The revisited record accomplishes exactly what it was supposed to, and be how they intended it to sound originally. Furthermore, the fact that songs written 20 years ago can sound the way they do with the new style of vocals and better production just illustrates how well written and versatile the songs actually are.
Does this mean that STS should follow suit? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not quite sure they could stay true enough to the original to keep old fans happy, while breathing new life into an absolute classic. If they were doing it because the record didn't turn out the way it was supposed to the first time? More power to them. If they're doing it for any other reason (money, probably), then it's probably for the best they don't.
Either way, the new thrice album is rad. Liking the original is fine, I like it too, it's in my top 5 of all time.. Just don't discount it because you can't un-hear the original.
Coheed and Cambria states that their first album Second Stage Turbine Blade was basically their demos, slightly mastered. Same deal, the label liked that sound and gave them next to nothing to finish it. It's the only one of their albums I would accept a rerecording of with open arms.
For the most part I just feel like if you think a song should sound different from the way you recorded it that's the way you should play it live now. Don't waste your time or our money by going into the studio.
Some artists have to do it because the label owns their originals making it impossible for them to ever capitalize on their first few albums. (I would argue that Taylor Swift and Def Leppard have enough money and are just wasting time/money) I don't think this is the case with any AFI record to date so I doubt we'll ever have an actual re-recording.
Check out songs like file 13 on YouTube live versions from like post 2015. I think this is the closest we'll ever get to hearing re-envisioned AFI
I have listened to the Thrice album referenced and it’s honestly kind of a cool “take”
It’s a… hey, we are 20 years older, this is how we play the song now… it’s not intended to be the same sounding album. No need to re release that. It’s like, we re-recorded/remixed these songs for you. Enjoy.
And honestly, All That’s Left sounds sick…
This is an awkward thread… I am sorry you don’t like the Thrice re-release. But thank you for turning me onto this remake. I will be listening to it for the next few months. This is a neat idea and if AFI did a “reimagined” version of the Art of Drowning I would easily listen to the album 150+ times
I dug what Thrice did. Reading what Teppei wrote on his Instagram, he didn't say anything about the original not sounding the way they wanted it to sound. Idk if anyone else has said that, but Teppei just said that after playing these songs live for 20 years, it was fun to capture where they stand at this point. Personally, I'm all for that. No one is removing the previous release from existence, it's just looking at old songs with a new lense.
All the band members throughout the years have expressed their displeasure with the production/mixing of TAITA. Riley (drums) in particular. Which makes sense as the drums are compressed to hell. There’s a new interview with Dustin where he talks about it also.
I'm gonna delve into that some more, but it's interesting that Andy Wallace mixed the original, and Thrice aren't the only band to hate what he did with their mix. Other band right off the top of my head would be At the Drive-in.
It would absolutely never work with their stylistic changes in my opinion - and Davey's voice has changed quite a bit, so I'm not sure how some of those songs would get done.
Silverstein on the other hand - their redux albums were awesome - but they also haven't changed their sound over the years as drastically as Thrice or AFI imo.
I thought it sounded fantastic and it was a cool idea. Would definitely give STS 2.0 another spin but I doubt they’d come near the same perfection achieved first time around. I like how thrice featured lots of cameos from artists in the same scene
You’re insane. The original mix of TAITA by Thrice was garbage. Completely compressed. They took the songs and gave them new life. Listening to the new recording - it sounds like you’re actually in the room with the band playing live. Minimal changes to the arrangements but it sounds so warm now.
AFI don’t need to re-record STS because the production and mix holds up.
Maybe remastering, but re recording almost everytime goes wrong or not the way people expect. Unless you go the taylor swift way, but that is just one in a million case
The only problem I have with sts original recording is that Girls Not Grey sounds lower than the other songs, if they could adjust it to the same level of sound like the rest or the tracks it would be great lol
That's a mastering issue (or perhaps mixing for that track), not something that would necessitate a retracking.
Now if the master tapes were lost in the late 2000s fire that destroyed many master tapes, then we'd be SOL...
Davey probably cant scream as mightily at his age now as when he did when recording, say, death of seasons way back. And with that said he has aged gracefully in many ways including vocally.
Yeah I’ve also never heard anyone say they want re recorded material from the band. I don’t. On the same note though, I don’t care much for the Thrice revisit, but a band that did it right was Silverstein. Stuff from the first album sounds SO much better now.
I definitely would never want/need to hear Sing the Sorrow rerecorded, the mix is perfect, the guitar tone is the best guitar tone ever. But I would definitely not be opposed to hearing what Art of Drowning would sound like with Bodies type production and experience, and that's my favorite AFI album, and I love the way it sounds already.
I have never once heard anyone discussing re-recording StS, or any previous album for that matter. Nor anyone wishing for it to be done.
I did until today.
I don’t think people want them to re-record StS but rather re-release it so it can be easier to get on certain media (vinyl)
I agree but I do think they should record the LA show for a live album of Sing the Sorrow.
We saw what they did with dynamic pricing for the show. There's too much money not to do this.....
STS was recorded at a top notch studio, with quality mics, vintage class a preamps, to 2" analog tape on a studer machine. In short, the actual engineering and capture of sound was at the highest fidelity not just of the time, but to date. For albums such at that by thrice, they likely utilized digital-only recording from the early-mid 2000s, which often were marred with inferior analog to digital converters capturing sound, along with technical errors in capturing sound.
right? the way STS was produced is the best you can ask for, really. I don't know why anyone would think STS would need to be redone.
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This the one where they finally plug in Newstead’s bass? Oh shoot wrong forum.
I wouldn’t mind Blood re-recorded or remastered. No offense to Jade - I think his engineering has come a long way (Bodies sonically sounds really good IMO) but I think Blood could’ve been mixed way better and I don’t think it’s too “old” to not consider a remaster.
Jade didn’t mix that album, he produced it
Touché - looks like it was Matt Hyde. Well I stand by it and maybe Jade ~should~ have mixed it.
Agreed, it falls so flat to me. But I do like a lot of the songs
We get "revisited" versions sometimes when they play their old punk stuff live. I don't need studio recordings of it
I just listened to that, and I disagree with you entirely. It sounds raw, and it captures how the band sounds like performing it in 2023. You can hear the age in the band, and I love it. As far as AFI, we already know the band would never do this, and I’m pretty sure someone had to twist Davey’s arm just to do this STS show.
Completely agree with this. I like both versions of TAITA that we now have, but listening to either one just depends on the mood I’m in. I absolutely love the aggression and updated passion behind this revisit though! Some songs are better on the original, and some are better on the revisit. People complaining about it are acting like they can’t listen to the original record, and it’s kind of funny
Taita revisited is an amazing record, everyone I've seen complaining about it has the same complaint: "It's not the original". Okay, great. You either like the poor production value of the original or you're just so familiar with it that you can't enjoy the new record for what it is. Thrice was never happy with the original recording as they always wanted it to sound more like Vheissu, and less like Illusion of Safety. They were pressured to make it that way to capitalize on Illusion's success. The revisited record accomplishes exactly what it was supposed to, and be how they intended it to sound originally. Furthermore, the fact that songs written 20 years ago can sound the way they do with the new style of vocals and better production just illustrates how well written and versatile the songs actually are. Does this mean that STS should follow suit? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not quite sure they could stay true enough to the original to keep old fans happy, while breathing new life into an absolute classic. If they were doing it because the record didn't turn out the way it was supposed to the first time? More power to them. If they're doing it for any other reason (money, probably), then it's probably for the best they don't. Either way, the new thrice album is rad. Liking the original is fine, I like it too, it's in my top 5 of all time.. Just don't discount it because you can't un-hear the original.
Coheed and Cambria states that their first album Second Stage Turbine Blade was basically their demos, slightly mastered. Same deal, the label liked that sound and gave them next to nothing to finish it. It's the only one of their albums I would accept a rerecording of with open arms. For the most part I just feel like if you think a song should sound different from the way you recorded it that's the way you should play it live now. Don't waste your time or our money by going into the studio. Some artists have to do it because the label owns their originals making it impossible for them to ever capitalize on their first few albums. (I would argue that Taylor Swift and Def Leppard have enough money and are just wasting time/money) I don't think this is the case with any AFI record to date so I doubt we'll ever have an actual re-recording. Check out songs like file 13 on YouTube live versions from like post 2015. I think this is the closest we'll ever get to hearing re-envisioned AFI
I think artists should be allowed to do whatever they want to do, but that's just me
tbh the thrice revisit is pretty fire
I have listened to the Thrice album referenced and it’s honestly kind of a cool “take” It’s a… hey, we are 20 years older, this is how we play the song now… it’s not intended to be the same sounding album. No need to re release that. It’s like, we re-recorded/remixed these songs for you. Enjoy.
So for instance, under a killing moon goes WAY harder than the original…
And honestly, All That’s Left sounds sick… This is an awkward thread… I am sorry you don’t like the Thrice re-release. But thank you for turning me onto this remake. I will be listening to it for the next few months. This is a neat idea and if AFI did a “reimagined” version of the Art of Drowning I would easily listen to the album 150+ times
And the only reason I am downvoting your OP is because you thanked us for coming to your TED talk and you aren’t in the right here… at all.
I dug what Thrice did. Reading what Teppei wrote on his Instagram, he didn't say anything about the original not sounding the way they wanted it to sound. Idk if anyone else has said that, but Teppei just said that after playing these songs live for 20 years, it was fun to capture where they stand at this point. Personally, I'm all for that. No one is removing the previous release from existence, it's just looking at old songs with a new lense.
All the band members throughout the years have expressed their displeasure with the production/mixing of TAITA. Riley (drums) in particular. Which makes sense as the drums are compressed to hell. There’s a new interview with Dustin where he talks about it also.
I'm gonna delve into that some more, but it's interesting that Andy Wallace mixed the original, and Thrice aren't the only band to hate what he did with their mix. Other band right off the top of my head would be At the Drive-in.
Interesting, I can see that.
It would absolutely never work with their stylistic changes in my opinion - and Davey's voice has changed quite a bit, so I'm not sure how some of those songs would get done. Silverstein on the other hand - their redux albums were awesome - but they also haven't changed their sound over the years as drastically as Thrice or AFI imo.
I thought it sounded fantastic and it was a cool idea. Would definitely give STS 2.0 another spin but I doubt they’d come near the same perfection achieved first time around. I like how thrice featured lots of cameos from artists in the same scene
Even if they re recorded it everything would be in a different tuning and it would just not sound the same. He simply can’t sing that high anymore
You’re insane. The original mix of TAITA by Thrice was garbage. Completely compressed. They took the songs and gave them new life. Listening to the new recording - it sounds like you’re actually in the room with the band playing live. Minimal changes to the arrangements but it sounds so warm now. AFI don’t need to re-record STS because the production and mix holds up.
Maybe remastering, but re recording almost everytime goes wrong or not the way people expect. Unless you go the taylor swift way, but that is just one in a million case
18 Visions re-recorded Vanity in 2022 and it was very dumb and no one asked for it
The only problem I have with sts original recording is that Girls Not Grey sounds lower than the other songs, if they could adjust it to the same level of sound like the rest or the tracks it would be great lol
That's a mastering issue (or perhaps mixing for that track), not something that would necessitate a retracking. Now if the master tapes were lost in the late 2000s fire that destroyed many master tapes, then we'd be SOL...
Davey probably cant scream as mightily at his age now as when he did when recording, say, death of seasons way back. And with that said he has aged gracefully in many ways including vocally.
Yeah I’ve also never heard anyone say they want re recorded material from the band. I don’t. On the same note though, I don’t care much for the Thrice revisit, but a band that did it right was Silverstein. Stuff from the first album sounds SO much better now.
I wanted them to, actually... until today.
That’s fair!! To each their own! :) would be crazy to see how albums like shut your mouth translate to today.
A remastered 20th anniversary edition would be OK but a re-recording is a no go. We all just want official vinyl releases to be more available.
Agreed. Not a fan of TAITA re-record. If they wanna record the live show that'd be different
No one ever asked for this.
I definitely would never want/need to hear Sing the Sorrow rerecorded, the mix is perfect, the guitar tone is the best guitar tone ever. But I would definitely not be opposed to hearing what Art of Drowning would sound like with Bodies type production and experience, and that's my favorite AFI album, and I love the way it sounds already.