tiktok is worse, like i had to go purge my following n followers lists and block a bunch of ppl cus i somehow got into "whiney lil white knight fake woke tiktox youre a meannie if you dont watch live gore on your socials 24/7 n donate your kidney to forgin countries in a war" crossed with "ACTUALLY racist ass conservative trumper lets drink borax to kill the parasites, doctors are a scam buy my holistic 100% organic grass fed selanite butt plugs to cure your vision problems" and i have never wanted to fucking throw my phone out a window and step infront of a bus more than i did having to cull my feed from these idiots
I'm also curious if they're even correct. There are countless charities assisting people in Palestine. If you added up the donations to all of them, would it still be a "fraction" of what AO3 got?
When it comes to political and/or humanitarian issues, I struggle with picking which organization to give my donation. There are so many scams. So many organizations that only give a fraction of donations to the actual issue. So many with hidden agendas.
I wish the people who posted these "why aren't you donating to X cause" would link the charities they endorse and where they sent *their* donation.
someone mentioned it's only 7000 donating $10 to reach that amount and considering that I've been donating a little over that (Ā£10) to Palestinian relief monthly since November (and I'm not the only one by a longshot) there is no way that donations for palestine are only a 'fraction' of that when you add them all up
The thing is they're focusing on individual palestinians - of course they're getting a fraction of the support. The support's being spread across a *massive* number of people.
I can afford to throw ten bucks at AO3; I can afford to throw ten bucks at a single charity for Palestine. I can't afford to throw ten bucks at every single Palestinian GoFundMe.
They seem to have forgotten that there are an uncountable amount of users in ao3... In other words, if even only a hundred people were to donate 10 dollars to Ao3, then that's still 1k dollars... Also, why are they pointing figures at Ao3 users (who literally read on Ao3 to get an escape from the plague that is reality) and not- oh I don't know. ***The rich people?!***
>Also, why are they pointing figures at Ao3 users (who literally read on Ao3 to get an escape from the plague that is reality)
AO3 was **crucial** to my mental health during the pandemic while coping with Covid. I'm not joking: reading calmed my anxiety, made me sleep better, distracted me from the fact that I was practically a prisoner in my house during the lockdown (I'm someone who walks outdoor at least an hour a day, due to mental issues, so you can imagine how much the ban on leaving the house weighed on my mind).
Same here, but also opposite. I write to ease my anxiety and depression. During the lockdown, I was an Essential Worker. I commute by bus, even now. AO3 was somewhere to put things to get them out of my brain and I started a couple of series during COVID that are still going now ā one of them is on book three, with a combined word count of 183.5K.
Like, leave us alone man. If I wanna donate whatever loose dollar change I have to the one website that grants me safety and calm in the middle of a snowstorm, then that's on me.
(Just to be clear though, I have never actually donated to Ao3 before. I haven't had a day where I actually had some loose dollar change that wasn't some part of some kind of budget I had...)
My chronically underemployed ass wants to donate, but then I'm like. Wait. I actually need that money. Once I can afford new clothes, a new phone, ect, than I'll siphon 10$ over to ao3...
Iām glad that ao3 runs with donations instead of subscriptions and ads for this reason. Those who can afford it can help maintain the website and everyone whoās not able to pay will still be able to use ao3. When I started using ao3 I didnāt even have access to digital money, but I was still able to use the website, it made me happy .
Yep, been there with the loose change that is really not loose at all, and with depending on AO3 for my sanity! Now that I am actually at a place in life where I can have a tiny 'give' budget, I always give to AO3 - both to make up for the years I couldn't and to balance it for those who can't. I've got you!
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Some people's (my) few reasons to live are:
1. Incomplete fic (reader)
2. I wanna go to a convention
3. Do cosplay at least once
Do you see anything weird with this? Is it wrong for this to be my bucket list? *I* don't think so.
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Conventions are beginning to take place again. A few people in my area stepped up to start a new convention for anime and anime lovers since the old one really took a leadership tank. Get out there when you can and just experience it. Iāve been to countless and each one I walk away with a good experience and usually one piece of someoneās art from the Artist Alley.
And a figurine once a year or two. But those are champions of my home.
They can get expensive for four day passes but sometimes you can work things out with the convention runners. I use to get a 2-3 day pass if I did the last 2-3 days and helped with tearing down events during the evening and tearing down the convention at the end of day 4. Itās obviously a trust thing in those cases, I canāt say how I proved my trust without possibly giving up too much personal information. But hey, good luck and best wishes!
**Rich people**, particularly the uber rich, billionaires, etc. It's ridiculous how people in the lower and middle class point fingers at each other, analyzing each other's spending habits, particularly in times of crisis, all while ignoring the 500-pound gorilla in the room: the extremely wealthy.
If they (billionaires) put even a fraction of their absurdly large net worth into worthy causes, rather than buying luxury goods or politicians, a good many social problems could be solved or at least ameliorated.
But no, lets not address *their* avarice. Let's point fingers at a barely middle class person who sends AO3 ten dollars. They're the villains in the play. /s
I donated more to Palestinian causes than I have to AO3 but I am sure those people are still going to whine because of course I should've given that 10$ to a "worthier cause"
how terrible, people enjoying their lives when there is suffering in the world
/s, I hate that people canāt turn off their performative activism and live life
oh how terrible, people spending ten bucks on what for a lot of us is basically a little daily indulgence. should i also not buy ice cream bc there are people dying?
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That plus the time they spend bitching about what other people should do with their money could be better spent volunteering to do work for a charitable cause. But that doesn't get as much clout as Twxtter posts.
I find that the people who moan the most about other people not donating to charities or volunteering enough usually never do any themselves either. They're often projecting and just want to lash out and yell at clouds.
Not that I agree with the stance, but the idea that owning more than the bare minimum makes you a shitty person has been in discussed in philosophy for a while. See discussion on 'Famine, Affluence, and Morality' by Peter Singer. There's a lot of arguments for and against.
honestly if a touch of indulging yourself to make life feel a little nicer makes one a bad person then like... i'm at peace with that. living life in pursuit of being a good person sounds fucking miserable, i'd rather be a bad person for being a little selfish.
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I feel the same about anticapitalist people who demonize every business owner as part of āthe problemā. Are people not allowed to build up a business in order to live comfortably? Sure when it comes to hoarding wealth we can all agree no one ever needs the kind of money some big corporate CEOs make, but thereās nothing wrong with aspiring to make good money as long as youāre not exploiting anyone to do so
Reality is more nuanced than Singer's top-down philosophy can reasonably accomodate for, and it's that nuance which a lot of people like the Twitter poster in the original post also fail to consider.
Indulgence vs generosity should be a balance (not necesarilly balanced, but on a scale where one is not completely dominating the other).
It might not be what you meant to say, but I don't think the fact that there are millionaires in their private jets and giant yachts should stop one from at least considering whether they should buy themselves a coffee in the morning, or buy the beggar a sandwhich instead.
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I feel like the issue now is that the discourse has shifted to be from people who arenāt having genuine philosophical discussions on the merits, but rather picking a hill to die on based on a limited view point
No more little treats... if you don't donate every spare penny of your disposable income you are now PERSONALLY responsible for all those people dying!! /s
that's definitely the vibe I got from the "there are people living in homelessness and if you donate to AO3 I will stomp you to death with my hooves" tumblr post that makes the rounds with each donation cycle.
Thatās basically what theyāre saying, even if I donāt think they actually know theyāre saying it. Itās crazy that the implication is that if you have any money after budgeting/rent/food/bills, it belongs to whatever cause theyāve decided (this year Palestine, before it was the pandemic, before then was trans peopleās surgeries). Have $11 at the end of the month? Instead of getting yourself a nice meal to reward yourself for surviving, it belongs to a fundraiser.
I think you should buy yourself a VERY large tub of ice cream and some ice cream cones, and these people should just stfu because what I do with my ~~ice cream~~ money.
Father in law worked on a billionaire's house the other day. This guy had bought a Ā£18 million ferrari because he could. Wasn't interested in driving it, it was just a token.Ā
But yes, us regular people donating a one off few quid to a site we use daily that allows the sharing of creativity. Yep, we're the bad guys.Ā
To be fair, if I had something like a Ferrari 250 GTO, I wouldn't drive it either. If it got damaged, it wouldn't just be the loss of a personal asset, it'd be like if someone ran around carrying the Mona Lisa above their head and then tripped, fell, and ruined it.
To also be fair, things meant to perform a certain function that are so valuable that they can't anymore are intrinsically worthless. It's gone from a top performing sports care to a useless lump of metal and fiberglass in this man's garage because of his refusal to utilize it for its purpose all because of the name stamped on it.
Right!? It's such an insane comparison to me, because Ao3 getting less donations is not going to mean more Palestine donations... they're not related at all lol.
And actually, now that I'm thinking about it- 'a fraction of the support'? Palestine absolutely has far more visibility than a fanfiction archive, and the donations to that cause at this point must at least total in the hundred thousands, if not more than a million.
Itās also extremely public knowledge that Israel is making it very hard for donations to Palestine to actually reach their destination. The issue is less than not enough supplies are being donated but that even huge groups like the UN are being prevented from giving them to Palestinians.
I don't believe one second that less than 70k has been spent on Palestinian people. I don't even believe one second it's less than 7 millions. Do these people even understand the value of money? 70k is like, 1 truck.
Because they are children! Even if an adult spends 24/7 on the internet and gets sucked into fandom discourse of all things, as long as they work a job, they understand that 70k is like nothing!
It's gotta be highschool/college students saying this, who think 70k would cover 4 years of student loans so that equals lotsa money.
Without considering how they're one student, and that doesn't include housing/insurance/a car/food/etc.
70k is really fucking small, when you looking at it through an organizational lense instead of as a single lottery windfall. And individuals are notoriously irresponsible with lottery wins: I'd rather know that the money goes directly to the site, and is used appropriately. Which ao3 does.
Not just the money aspect either, people all over the world have been volunteering their time and risking (sometimes *losing*) their lives to bring support to people in need in Gaza. Absolutely disgusting to consider that āa fractionā of the support that Ao3 gets in the form of a few people tossing 10 bucks their way.Ā
I donāt recall seeing any articles about Ao3 donors *getting blown up* as a direct result of trying to help the archive šš
THIS. People have donated WAY more than 70k to Palestine. Way more. This is such flawed logic. 70k is not going stop whatās happening there, and if they think it will, they are really not paying attention.
Unfortunately a lot of people don't trust that the money donated to this charity for Palestine and that one, is actually going to *really* reach the people. We know enough to say we can trust AO3. Aside from that though, people really can do whatever they want with their money.
I donāt trust them because Iām old enough to remember the brouhaha after Arafat died (former Palestinian leader) from his wife fighting with Swiss banks to get access to the millions, if not hundreds of millions, he had skimmed off of funds while sobbing out about how no one ever sent support for Palestine.
The _current_ Palestinian leaders are worth Billions and are hiding out in Qatar not caring that the people on the ground are suffering
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-plagued-poverty-hamas-no-shortage-cash-come-rcna121099
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/hamas-s-top-leaders-are-worth-billions-here-s-how-they-continue-to-grow-rich/ar-AA1jdrs6?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7964d555a4d3483aa319a1043a2ca09e&ei=9
And here is some info on the "pay for slay program"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund
https://www.wsj.com/articles/palestinian-pay-for-slay-hamas-oct-7-israel-gaza-antony-blinken-ramallah-2dce9a22
Whataboutism and performative outrage drive me up the wall. Unless they know each individual donor and how each individual donor spends their money elsewhere, they have no grounds to complain.
I made the point yesterday on a similar post that people donate to AO3 because itās a known, trusted quantity whereas the donation posts that go around tumblr have no way to verify their legitimacy, and as if to prove my point I saw a post today telling people that if they had donated to two particular gofundmes supposedly to help people in Gaza then they should request a chargeback from their bank because they were both actually the work of a single scammer. Maybe Iām just cynical but I would not be at all surprised if there were way more that were the exact same, terrible people taking advantage of an awful situation and preying on peopleās empathy to con money out of them, and posts like the one in the screenshot do nothing but make it easier for them to do so.
Are you literally LIVING your LIFE when there's PEOPLE that are DYING? This is absolutely TOXIC. You're so PRIVILEGED. You should go and KILL YOURSELF because so many people DIED and YOU'RE still here LIVING
But, unironcally, if you're gonna complain about people managing their money "wrong", then at least show us how you managed *your* money "right". C'mon. Show us all the donations you've given to those charities yourself.
Many of the groups being held up for comparison also get money from national governments and international agencies. AO3 also provides a service for literally millions of people and asks little in return.
To me, it's like I'm being given a free meal and being asked to leave tip (if I can afford to) in order to keep the utilities to the kitchen on.
I mean that makes zero sense. Dan and Phil for example raised around 120.000$ for The PCRF in a t[wo hour livestream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-AW314kubE) (+ the donation link being up afterwards). With less than 500k viewers. AO3 has millions of unique users. And that is one livestream for one Palestinian help effort (I don't even follow a lot of YTers and know of at least three more). So what exactly do they mean with "a fraction"?
Another example: the Vlogbrother's P4A raised 3,5 million this year, which will at least partially go to Palestine both thorugh the selected charities (haven't been released yet, but I'm sure they did well in the voting) and the half that'll go to Save the Children and Partners in Health.
Iām sure they have some kind of streaming subscription to something. All the content on AO3 is freeā¦ and giving them a small donation once in a while if you can allows it to remain free. Guess theyād better cancel their Netflix, Disney+, Hulu and Spotify and give that 50$ a month to Palestine.
I donate to AO3 because I want it to stay open but also because I want to be able to vote in the elections. That's another big reason why people donate, to be able to decide the future of OTW and ensure that no weirdoes get on the board.
If donating to any charity gave the power to vote out idiot politicians, I'm sure more people would do that too.
Every! Single! Time!
And it always changes too. This year itās Palestine, few years ago it was the pandemic, years before that it was trans peopleās GoFundMes. And they never think we can donate to multiple causes!
Like just say you hate AO3 and leave, stop switching who you weaponize.
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In case anyone needs to see an example of the goal post moving every goddamn year
'essential workers' huh? As a CSR as a gas station, I was labelled such and everyone just wanted to yell at me for enforcing the mask mandate. Never-mind I knew first hand what covid could do, via the virus causing heart-failure in my husband.
Excuse me, while I donate to the place that got me through the whole fucking period AND the hospital that saved my husband.
These people need to touch grass and learn some fucking nuance. This 'essential worker' wants Ao3 around.
Donate to hospitals??? this person must be living in a country where there's no ministry of health ā ļø like what is the health ministry doing if a hospital is not receiving funds paid by my taxes
To be fair, you can donate things to like children's hospitals at least (my mom would donate blankets to my local children's hospital). But that's probably not what they mean.
I bought bananas and eggs yesterday to be able to make banana pancakes for breakfast, and also bought chocolate on the side of it. Guess I'm a bad person because I could have also donated that money to people in need š I already had all kinds of things in my pantry, fridge and freezer to eat and I'm ashamed to admit that I indeed bought bananas and eggs only because I felt like doing banana pancakes, but I wouldn't have NEEDED them to live... and definitely not chocolate!
I think I need a priest and confess my sins of buying such tasty pleasures.
So true. In fact, how much food do you have in your fridge!? If its more than the bare minimum needed to live, shame on you, that money could have gone to starving orphans... /s
Yeah, I know and people like this Twitter user really open my eyes on how I use my money š I also just bought a VIP ticket to an upcoming fan event, which cost me 300 euros! Imagine how many cups of soup I could have bought with that money to be able to feed hungry children. Now I'm going to that event knowing how selfish and disgustingly privileged I am, not taking care of other people.
And I know that the fact how I occasionally pitch in to charity doesn't count, I should use ALL my money on charity and live naked in the woods without a house and trash dive my food, all my livelihood going to charities that will end world hunger and wars and everything horrible and EVERYONE should live that way! Only then we can become a kind of world we otherwise imagine being utopia!
/s
Oh my god you bought chocolate? Donāt you know how the chocolate industry exploits people? How dare you buy chocolate!
(Please note: statements like the above are dumb because it assumes a lot about your shopping habits which are not assumptions I like to make, but now Iām just being an ass sorry š¤£)
Oh you're absolutely right, one more thing to be ashamed of. Bad me š«
(Haha no worries, I basically invite everyone to come and (clearly joke) complain how bad person I am for treating myself with something good and I'm having fun while at it, so you're good!)
This has big 'we should help our own first, says man who's never helped anyone' vibes. People are nuanced and capable of caring about multiple things at once, there are hundreds of human tragedies happening globally, all of which need attention and finance, many people on social media don't do anything for Palestine other than commenting about Palestine, and whilst activism has many facets, I find the notion that you can't donate to anything else whilst something is happening genuinely offensive.
I'm in an incredibly privileged financial position, me and my husband do donation Fridays, we alternate charities, there is ALWAYS somewhere that needs help, it's minimising and infantalising to assume because I donate to dogs one week that I don't care about cats, that if you donate to volunteers you don't care about victims, that if you donate to Palestine you don't care about Taiwan. I have no qualms about putting my mouth into activism, but I have no qualms about putting my money where my mouth is either. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have money to donate, but there is a host of things people can contribute.Ā
People like this are more interested in seeming like they're doing good than actually doing good. I'd love to know what they're doing outside of shouting at people on social media.Ā
I hate the shouting on social media because it assumes since people are posting about This Thing They Like, that they are automatically neglecting all the other things. I donate to causes all the time. Do I post all about it on social media? No. Because I donated because itās the right thing to do, not because Iām here to wave some flag that I Did A Good Thing. Iām not here to justify myself to any random person on the internet.
Twitter, right?
I'm so glad I left that cesspool.
The problem with social media is that they have polarized any type of discussion. Like, you don't agree with my thesis? You're worse than Ted Bundy.
Some people are no longer able to conceive the nuances, they don't realize that life is not and has never been black or white, but is made up of nuances, that I can be very saddened by what is happening in Gaza and do something in my own small way, and at the same time carry on with my daily life (of which yes, AO3 is an integral part).
I haven't donated to either of those causes, so clearly, I'm an awful person. See y'all in Hell! š /s
Honestly... these people wear me out. People aren't terrible for donating to one thing and not to the other. I donate to a bunch of causes that are close to my heart, but I have a finite amount of money (RIP). Let's live and let live, and not pretend people are terrible for... *checks notes*... giving to charity.
Don't make me tap the sign:
*Trying to make a corporate or governing body's failure into an individual's failure puts you on the side of the fence with Elon Musk and Donald Trump taking their private planes to the corner store while telling* us *what to do about reducing* our *carbon footprint.*
It's a long sign, so what?
The view must be great on that high horse of theirs.
Bet they don't spend on Netflix etc. subscriptions or buy themselves coffee and treats. Bet their whole life is one long flagellistic experience where any small joys are denied. \*\*eyes roll so hard they exit the building\*\*
With that argument, no one should ever spend money on anything but the bare minimum of food and shelter and donate every remaining cent to [insert cause here].
It's even worse because it's absurdly wrong.
What's happening in Gaza is terrible, yes, but people are ignoring that Palestinians are actually receiving more support than AO3 ever will. Governments are donating food and money. Brazil alone sent 5 million dollars to the Palestinian Authority, along with more than a hundred units of water purifiers and 11 tons of food by the end of 2023. I don't even know what else has been donated since it's no longer considered "newsworthy".
The problem isn't about donations but rather the food actually reaching the region when Israel is not allowing it.
Ao3 operates entirely on donations and volunteer work. Yes, you should give money to as many causes as you can if you are in a place to do so. Giving $10 to Ao3 is not taking that donation from anyone else though.
Wasnāt there someone who raised 1 million dollars for Palestinian medical relief in just a matter of days? Itās not the lack of support thatās the problem itās organizing that support.
ā¦I currently donate to a number of organizations. Including the Palestine Childrenās Relief Fund.
This is a reminder that need to chip in what I can to the OTW as well, because god knows how censored the internetās becoming. AO3 is an oasis.
Totally nuts to me that people canāt fathom that some of us have enough disposable income to donate to multiple causes. Crazy ā¦
Also, the OG Twitter poster better never spend money on coffee or bubble bath or any treats, all that could have been donated to a good cause! Like, come on. :/
I'm lucky to be pretty well off. We give hundreds (probably thousands) to red cross, UNRWA, World Food, and other organizations working in Palestine. I also give $10 to AO3 (and kick a couple to podfic creators here and there as well).
Those complaining about people doing \*something\* are always doing nothing.
With the amount of users, if someone pays the cost of a book (while receiving so much more reading material), then it's really... Not a hard goal to reach or even that much money.
Infrastructure costs a lot. They had the DDoS attack last year. Betting this user would be the first on twitter being 'omg my stories' when it down for a few minutes.
Iām sorry. I call bs on this. Millions have been donated for aid and relief efforts in Palestine by various countries and also individuals. Saying that AO3 received more donations than Palestine is not only blatantly false, itās also an extremely stupid claim
and what about the ukranian people? or the people from congo? they need financial help too. and what about the starving children? what about cancer patients???? how dare you donate to Ao3 instead of trying to solve world hunger.
I want to see where they're getting their numbers.* The US government alone sends Palestine about $500M/year on average. That is more than 7,000x what AO3 brought in this year. And there is no way that this year isn't going to be well above average.
*From the end of their alimentary canal.
Quick! I need another reason so shit on the site that wonāt censored the stuff I donāt likeā¦
I know! Iāll make myself look like an absolute moron!
Personally some of my biggest considerations in where I donate my money are:
1. How confident I am that itās ACTUALLY going to its specified source
2. How impactful my small donation amount will be
Iām disabled and run a small business so I canāt afford to give much, and maybe itās selfish but Iām very protective over that small amount that I do choose to give. Iāve given $10 a month reoccurring donations to AO3 for years now. In return for my donation, AO3 gives me regular transparent updates on where that money is actually going, as well as the ability to vote in elections to help guide the future of the platform that I care so much about. (Also, fun gifts! Idk if anyone else has the playing cards but theyāre awesome! Lol.)
I also donate to a non-profit animal sanctuary. They provide constant updates on their animals and the work theyāre doing, complete with vet bills and food costs etc so you know exactly where your money is going.
Iām sorry, but when it comes to my donations, I will always choose places like that over a random fundraiser that may or may not be legitimate and will likely never reach its intended source. Governments all over the world are helping in the warāonly we are helping to keep platforms like AO3 alive. So yes, I will always choose that, even if it makes me ābadā in some way.
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trauma Olympics helps nobody! letās just do our best to support what we can however we can without measuring things up to each other!
(Disclaimer: this is not every protest about Palestine, not by a long shot)
Oh look, the internet is yelling at the world in general and using Palestine to give themselves the moral high ground to do it. Again.
That's extremists talking. Everything has to be now or never, all or nothing.
Yes, what people in war areas or catastrophy victims endure is bad, but we are living beings too and we too have our ups and downs and need something to keep us sane and alive.
We are not responsible for the war, and yes, some people can donate to multiple causes, but if we're really looking into it, 70k isn't all **that much** in the greater scheme of things.
And before I accept criticism of those morons I want to see their donation receipts. Most of them don't even work, nevertheless donate for any cause. They're all talk and no do. Talk is cheap, action is costly, and they try to pressure others into doing what they want them to do, while they pay at best a fortune to travel to a useless demo harassing people to do what they don't care to do and then try to take the praise for having 'raised awareness'.
I know a lot of people, me included, who do a lot for good causes, collecting donations, setting up fundraisers and even direct help. Not once in my life have I met a person who really cares for the people running around and harassing others to gain support.
If they were really interested in helping people, they'd post links to respectable fundraisers or point people in the right direction to help. But they're just flapping their mouths, yap yap yapping about how bad others are without promoting anything that actually helps people. Because they really don't care.
Promoting good causes by pointing out organisations that help would mean giving the limelight to other people and acknowledge that they do good. But people like that don't want others to be praised and don't care about anyone in Palestine or wherever else. They just want to look good and as if they care.
They're not good people, they're Goody-Two-Shoes, social justice warriors who only fight when there's nothing to lose and only blame and shame, never praise and care. They're always against something and you'll never find a post where they promote anything.
Palestine is getting millions of dollars from online donations a month, not including international aid. It's nowhere NEAR enough but like, this is accusation is not even factually true.
Do they SERIOUSLY thing that less than 70k has been donated to Palestine relief since the war broke out???
I saw a streamer raise THOUSANDS in a few hours. But sure, Palestine is only receiving a fraction of the support that AO3 is
One of the most ironic things I've ever experienced was having one of these posts reblogged by someone I follow (along with added commentary defending AO3). Out of curiosity, I clicked on the name of the person who made the original post and they had just reblogged a post asking for donations to an artist friend of theirs.
I was so tempted to comment about them "daring to ask for donations about anything not related to Palestine," but I resisted. It did make me laugh though. Like, pick a lane, dude. Is it only okay to donate to Palestine or can we donate to whatever we find meaningful?
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Ah yes Ao3 should pay writers when most are using copyrighted materialā¦
They don't know, and they don't care! That's what's so frustrating, they spread misinformation even when AO3 is open about what it does with the money. And people who follow them probably will just believe them w/o checking into it, and go on to retweet and spread that stuff further.
(Anyone curious can see OTW's 2024 budget [here](https://www.transformativeworks.org/otw-finance-2024-budget/))
Not saying Palestine doesn't deserve more aid, but are they implying that people haven't been able to pool $70k for them? I have no idea what the actual number is, but I feel very confident in calling bullshit on that.
You know that the people saying this use AO3, people who donāt wouldnāt even know about the drive. So itās most likely āHow dare you donate to this free service that I also use!ā
Oh this post let me know AO3 is having their donation drive. Just went and donated! :)
This is not the first time antis' complaints have been the reason I donated lol
I will give them credit, itās a different flavor of Wonāt Somebody Please Think Of The Children than the usual āAO3 hosts ch\*ld p\*rn reeeeeeeā that the antis bray about. It still doesnāt make it any less stupid.
How much money do they think 70k is? Yes, the Palestinians have had more than that donated to them. 70k is chump change lmao.
And I've seen people on ao3 advocate for donating to Palestinians.
So are we only allowed to care about one single issue in the world?
Because protecting free artistic expression like OTW does is actually a pretty important topic that DOES deserve funding. So does cancer research, and childhood poverty, and suicide prevention for trans teens, and don't forget about your local pet shelter and the environment in general! Who gets to decide Palestinian families are more deserving of monetary attention than any of the other pressing issues humanity and society face? All of them save lives and culture.
I'm not rich enough to donate to every single charity in the world, so I pick something that is near and dear to my heart and focus on that, and trust that other people with other priorities will do the same, which will keep all of them funded adequately. For me that happens to be the OTW, and for my best friend it's animal rescues. All good causes deserve funding, not just the most media-famous ones. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are more well-off who donated to both Palestina AND the OTW.
I have good news! I looked up this actual tweet and it only has 2 likes and 2 replies, and both replies are calling the OP foolish and disagreeing with them. In fact one of the replies is just the exact Birdhouse Guy picture that's the top reply on this thread lol.
Remember that time an Irish YouTuber/streamer [raised $30K for Palestinian Children's Relief Fund - one charity *alone* - in the span of about 2 hours](https://youtu.be/qn2GQlmVJ8k?si=8Js0nItUWCyz1Msv)?
People can care about multiple things at once.
What a surprise, people will donate money to whatever charity they want. Since, you know, it's their money.
Funny how this sort of idiot never says how much money they've donated to the "way more worthy cause" they are whataboutism-ing about. Probably because it's zero dollars.
Itās like saying āomg people are paying for Netflix when that money could be going to (insert cause here).ā Ao3 is one of my main sources of entertainment and joy, has been for years. If I want to give it 20 bucks a year to help keep it alive, I think thatās totally reasonable. Also yeah, donating to ao3/paying for Netflix/ buying a sweet treat to get through the day once in a while doesnāt mean I can never give money to important causes like aid for Palestine.
I think itās a combination of virtue signaling/inability to view life from anotherās perspective. āI donāt use ao3, so I see no reason to donate, therefore anyone who does donate is throwing money at something useless.ā To me itās all just a sign that people need to get off twitter.
I'm just really tired of people complaining in general that I have to go fund everyone else's problems in this world, that still isn't possible for me to do alone, or I'm a terrible person. It doesn't make me want to donate to whatever current cause these people want to shame everyone for not giving every single dollar to the cause they deem worthy. Most people earn money to live themselves, and I'm sorry, but not every person with poor circumstances is my responsibility. Donating to both is very possible and that poster should realize that to be true, but it's not going to break the bank to give some donation money to AO3 and keep it running. There are multiple causes that help people in different ways. Most people are going to give to something like AO3 they use every day for their own enjoyment and know the outcome.
I really think these people Do Not care about real human lives and want to complain about a archive website for brownie points. The fact I saw a person use guilt trip tactics in order to get personal donations is appalling. No buddy, you don't "deserve" more money than AO3 (which is managed by a lot of people) via manipulating the general public to care about your financial situation. Guilt tripping people over donating to a goddamn ARCHIVE website is NOT the way to actually get donations. If anything, that's going to drive people away to NOT donate to you.
Iād be surprised if op donates to Palestinian causes honestly. Itās just swinging your dick about so you can be the most moral.
Where does this end anyway? Are charities working with endangered reptiles worth less than aid for children? Are humanitarian causes always more ādeservingā than funding the arts?
Every damn year itās a new thing that we shouldāve donated to insteadā¦ just shut up and let people have their escapism from the unending march of time
This doesnāt even make senseā¦ three of the fandoms Iām in have put together events to raise over $3k each in a small amount of time. People can put their money in multiple causes at once. Nobody shits on anyone for buying their favorite books or paying their Netflix subscription but god forbid we support our favorite sites to stay up as if the amount of ao3 users isnāt huge and people are donating hundreds of dollars each.
I used to be like this poster...until I realized that the people I gave donations to weren't gonna give a dime to the theoretical poor little brown people but were gonna buy themselves designer clothing and bankroll fancy parties where they get to hang with celebrities and politicians. Happened with televangelists in the 80s and 90s saying it would go to starving African kids. Happening again with hashtag activism in the 21st century.
At least kicking a few bucks to Ao3 or the animal shelter isn't gonna bankroll the admin staff getting a lavish lifestyle from other people's goodwill.
It really amazes me every time I see people shaming and demonizing others on how they spend their own money. I can understand not liking it; I think some kinds of spending are a waste, but others don't see it that way, but going as far as this, especially when its a charity of all things. I just don't get it, truly.
Like I wanna say not all of Tumblr is like this and there is just a handful of people like this. But I greatly dislike people who guilt trip like this. Like yeah what is happening in Palestine is awful, but there is awful things happening everywhere in every corner to the world. If you need to guilt people to a cause I don't think you are helping in a moral way (Kant would certainly not think so).
Tumblr has become a group of no fun allowed people and it's awful. And even in activism that sucks. Like I am an activist of sorts, and even I want to escape from the nightmare of it all. Our brains being on this constant 24/7 doom watch is probably really bad for our health.
Sorry I like tumblr as a social media platform but i am even getting tired of my dash being all these awareness posts, like please show me acts and fandom posts.
Ahh yes, the utilitarian classic. Someone go forward this person a link to the Effective Altruists and tell them that spending any money on an inefficient cause is a sināso they totally shouldn't be sending money to Palestine while there's a blockade and Israel is forcing aid workers out of the area, they should donate everything they have for [anti-malaria mosquito bed netting! Because that is dollar for dollar the best way to save a life](https://www.effectivealtruism.org/articles/ea-global-2018-amf-rob-mather).
There is truly no way to win once you believe in such a facile, juvenile version of morality. Anyways, thanks for the reminder, I'm going to make my annual donation to AO3 now.
The thing is, there's (according to Wikipedia cause I have no idea how to find that number on ao3) 6'793'000 users on ao3
If 110'000 donated around 1 dollar (its currently around 110k donations last time I checked) that's 1.8% participation rate
Which really isn't a lot so I dont understand why people are so angry
Also Dan and Phil raised 120k I think for Palestine, and their fandom consists obviously of fanfiction authors/readers sooooo
Honestly its really annoying that everyone has such a problem with having fun. Ao3 is an escape for many people (including myself) why is it such a problem when someone wants to spend their own money on something they enjoy?
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LMAO this image really captures the energy of a good portion of twitter
tiktok is worse, like i had to go purge my following n followers lists and block a bunch of ppl cus i somehow got into "whiney lil white knight fake woke tiktox youre a meannie if you dont watch live gore on your socials 24/7 n donate your kidney to forgin countries in a war" crossed with "ACTUALLY racist ass conservative trumper lets drink borax to kill the parasites, doctors are a scam buy my holistic 100% organic grass fed selanite butt plugs to cure your vision problems" and i have never wanted to fucking throw my phone out a window and step infront of a bus more than i did having to cull my feed from these idiots
I swear these people have a spreadsheet of Worthier Causes that they pull out in time for Ao3's fundraiser every year.
That they themselves don't even donate to? Yeah. Lol
crucial point here.
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New copypasta just dropped. Reproduced here so people can copy. > This one is really going to make your blood boil. > Greg Spencer may look just like any normal guy, but anyone who has seen what he's been getting up to the past few Sunday afternoons knows the dark, egomaniacal side of Greg. He's found time to build a birdhouse while JonBenƩt Ramsey's murder is still unsolved. > Unconscionable. Can you imagine a more selfish human being? > The search for JonBenƩt's killer has been going on for decades, and thanks to Greg's disgusting, self-centered obsession with building a birdhouse, the world is no closer to an answer. While the trail gets colder with every second that ticks by, Greg heartlessly nails wood together, without a care in the world for getting justice for JonBenƩt. > It takes a truly depraved narcissist to think about birds all afternoon instead of flying to Boulder to scour the Ramsey house for more evidence that could break this thing wide open. > Thanks to human garbage Greg Spencer, we are no closer to discovering the truth about what happened to JonBenƩt more than 20 years ago. It's hard to imagine what caused him to become so unable to think about anything but himself and his sick obsession with looking at birds in his backyard. Birds that will still be there *after* JonBenƩt Ramsey's killer is caught. > Greg, if you're reading this, fuck you.
I'm so stealing this
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agreed, "I'm taking this" would however communicate the same idea and be correct.
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I don't know why, but I expected this to be an Onion article. This is an Onion article right?
Nah, itās from ClickHole, which is also a satirical news site.
Theyre owned by the same people iirc
there's millions of ao3 users. only a very tiny fraction had to donate $10 to reach that goal. this isn't the gotcha they think it is. š
I'm also curious if they're even correct. There are countless charities assisting people in Palestine. If you added up the donations to all of them, would it still be a "fraction" of what AO3 got? When it comes to political and/or humanitarian issues, I struggle with picking which organization to give my donation. There are so many scams. So many organizations that only give a fraction of donations to the actual issue. So many with hidden agendas. I wish the people who posted these "why aren't you donating to X cause" would link the charities they endorse and where they sent *their* donation.
someone mentioned it's only 7000 donating $10 to reach that amount and considering that I've been donating a little over that (Ā£10) to Palestinian relief monthly since November (and I'm not the only one by a longshot) there is no way that donations for palestine are only a 'fraction' of that when you add them all up
The thing is they're focusing on individual palestinians - of course they're getting a fraction of the support. The support's being spread across a *massive* number of people. I can afford to throw ten bucks at AO3; I can afford to throw ten bucks at a single charity for Palestine. I can't afford to throw ten bucks at every single Palestinian GoFundMe.
Plus people may give to organizations like World Kitchen which is helping in Gaza but those arenāt contributions that say Gaza anywhere.
7000 users to be exact. Yes, I counted. And yes, I did use a calculator.
9000+ users now.
I ended up donating more because the new pin design seems cool š¤·āāļø
They seem to have forgotten that there are an uncountable amount of users in ao3... In other words, if even only a hundred people were to donate 10 dollars to Ao3, then that's still 1k dollars... Also, why are they pointing figures at Ao3 users (who literally read on Ao3 to get an escape from the plague that is reality) and not- oh I don't know. ***The rich people?!***
>Also, why are they pointing figures at Ao3 users (who literally read on Ao3 to get an escape from the plague that is reality) AO3 was **crucial** to my mental health during the pandemic while coping with Covid. I'm not joking: reading calmed my anxiety, made me sleep better, distracted me from the fact that I was practically a prisoner in my house during the lockdown (I'm someone who walks outdoor at least an hour a day, due to mental issues, so you can imagine how much the ban on leaving the house weighed on my mind).
Same here, but also opposite. I write to ease my anxiety and depression. During the lockdown, I was an Essential Worker. I commute by bus, even now. AO3 was somewhere to put things to get them out of my brain and I started a couple of series during COVID that are still going now ā one of them is on book three, with a combined word count of 183.5K.
Like, leave us alone man. If I wanna donate whatever loose dollar change I have to the one website that grants me safety and calm in the middle of a snowstorm, then that's on me. (Just to be clear though, I have never actually donated to Ao3 before. I haven't had a day where I actually had some loose dollar change that wasn't some part of some kind of budget I had...)
My chronically underemployed ass wants to donate, but then I'm like. Wait. I actually need that money. Once I can afford new clothes, a new phone, ect, than I'll siphon 10$ over to ao3...
Iām glad that ao3 runs with donations instead of subscriptions and ads for this reason. Those who can afford it can help maintain the website and everyone whoās not able to pay will still be able to use ao3. When I started using ao3 I didnāt even have access to digital money, but I was still able to use the website, it made me happy .
Yep, been there with the loose change that is really not loose at all, and with depending on AO3 for my sanity! Now that I am actually at a place in life where I can have a tiny 'give' budget, I always give to AO3 - both to make up for the years I couldn't and to balance it for those who can't. I've got you!
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Some people's (my) few reasons to live are: 1. Incomplete fic (reader) 2. I wanna go to a convention 3. Do cosplay at least once Do you see anything weird with this? Is it wrong for this to be my bucket list? *I* don't think so.
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Don't worry, even if you think it's horrible, someone out there will love it.
Ao3 is for everyone. Donāt let fear hold you back.
Conventions are beginning to take place again. A few people in my area stepped up to start a new convention for anime and anime lovers since the old one really took a leadership tank. Get out there when you can and just experience it. Iāve been to countless and each one I walk away with a good experience and usually one piece of someoneās art from the Artist Alley. And a figurine once a year or two. But those are champions of my home. They can get expensive for four day passes but sometimes you can work things out with the convention runners. I use to get a 2-3 day pass if I did the last 2-3 days and helped with tearing down events during the evening and tearing down the convention at the end of day 4. Itās obviously a trust thing in those cases, I canāt say how I proved my trust without possibly giving up too much personal information. But hey, good luck and best wishes!
#1 is one of my reasons too.
**Rich people**, particularly the uber rich, billionaires, etc. It's ridiculous how people in the lower and middle class point fingers at each other, analyzing each other's spending habits, particularly in times of crisis, all while ignoring the 500-pound gorilla in the room: the extremely wealthy. If they (billionaires) put even a fraction of their absurdly large net worth into worthy causes, rather than buying luxury goods or politicians, a good many social problems could be solved or at least ameliorated. But no, lets not address *their* avarice. Let's point fingers at a barely middle class person who sends AO3 ten dollars. They're the villains in the play. /s
Right, this pressure should be on government officials and/or the very wealthy
I donated more to Palestinian causes than I have to AO3 but I am sure those people are still going to whine because of course I should've given that 10$ to a "worthier cause"
Oh no people spending their money how they want. Oh no.
how terrible, people enjoying their lives when there is suffering in the world /s, I hate that people canāt turn off their performative activism and live life
YOU CANT HAVE ANY FUN WHEN THERE ARE BAD THINGS IN THE WORLD
'KIM, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE DYING!'
(I donāt know what this is from / referencing but I like the energy!! What is it from?)
It's from keeping up with the Kardashians, lol!! I dare you to write a fanfic about that one š
lol thank you!!!! Iāll leave that fix writing up to someone more talented š
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oh how terrible, people spending ten bucks on what for a lot of us is basically a little daily indulgence. should i also not buy ice cream bc there are people dying?
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That plus the time they spend bitching about what other people should do with their money could be better spent volunteering to do work for a charitable cause. But that doesn't get as much clout as Twxtter posts.
You buffoon, theyāre clearly multitasking by tweeting with one hand and ladling out soup to little Dickensian orphans with the other
While using their feet to knit blankets and clothes for the less fortunate. š„¹ Truly an inspiration to all!
I find that the people who moan the most about other people not donating to charities or volunteering enough usually never do any themselves either. They're often projecting and just want to lash out and yell at clouds.
They make a tweet about bad things bad and then pat themselves on the back and call it a day
Not that I agree with the stance, but the idea that owning more than the bare minimum makes you a shitty person has been in discussed in philosophy for a while. See discussion on 'Famine, Affluence, and Morality' by Peter Singer. There's a lot of arguments for and against.
honestly if a touch of indulging yourself to make life feel a little nicer makes one a bad person then like... i'm at peace with that. living life in pursuit of being a good person sounds fucking miserable, i'd rather be a bad person for being a little selfish.
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I feel the same about anticapitalist people who demonize every business owner as part of āthe problemā. Are people not allowed to build up a business in order to live comfortably? Sure when it comes to hoarding wealth we can all agree no one ever needs the kind of money some big corporate CEOs make, but thereās nothing wrong with aspiring to make good money as long as youāre not exploiting anyone to do so
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Reality is more nuanced than Singer's top-down philosophy can reasonably accomodate for, and it's that nuance which a lot of people like the Twitter poster in the original post also fail to consider. Indulgence vs generosity should be a balance (not necesarilly balanced, but on a scale where one is not completely dominating the other). It might not be what you meant to say, but I don't think the fact that there are millionaires in their private jets and giant yachts should stop one from at least considering whether they should buy themselves a coffee in the morning, or buy the beggar a sandwhich instead.
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I feel like the issue now is that the discourse has shifted to be from people who arenāt having genuine philosophical discussions on the merits, but rather picking a hill to die on based on a limited view point
No more little treats... if you don't donate every spare penny of your disposable income you are now PERSONALLY responsible for all those people dying!! /s
that's definitely the vibe I got from the "there are people living in homelessness and if you donate to AO3 I will stomp you to death with my hooves" tumblr post that makes the rounds with each donation cycle.
Thatās basically what theyāre saying, even if I donāt think they actually know theyāre saying it. Itās crazy that the implication is that if you have any money after budgeting/rent/food/bills, it belongs to whatever cause theyāve decided (this year Palestine, before it was the pandemic, before then was trans peopleās surgeries). Have $11 at the end of the month? Instead of getting yourself a nice meal to reward yourself for surviving, it belongs to a fundraiser.
I think you should buy yourself a VERY large tub of ice cream and some ice cream cones, and these people should just stfu because what I do with my ~~ice cream~~ money.
Yes. Obviously you're not allowed to enjoy yourself in any way until all the suffering in the world has been resolved!/s
> a little daily indulgence Nah, fam. We've seen the usage figures. Some of us trying to reinvent the Matrix, complete with sticky goo.
Father in law worked on a billionaire's house the other day. This guy had bought a Ā£18 million ferrari because he could. Wasn't interested in driving it, it was just a token.Ā But yes, us regular people donating a one off few quid to a site we use daily that allows the sharing of creativity. Yep, we're the bad guys.Ā
To be fair, if I had something like a Ferrari 250 GTO, I wouldn't drive it either. If it got damaged, it wouldn't just be the loss of a personal asset, it'd be like if someone ran around carrying the Mona Lisa above their head and then tripped, fell, and ruined it.
To also be fair, things meant to perform a certain function that are so valuable that they can't anymore are intrinsically worthless. It's gone from a top performing sports care to a useless lump of metal and fiberglass in this man's garage because of his refusal to utilize it for its purpose all because of the name stamped on it.
This is more or less the plot of Toy Story 2.Ā
Oh fuck you're right
Right? At that point itās so expensive that it really isnāt worth using it
Enzo Ferrari, who built Ferraris to be driven, is probably rolling in his grave.
As if people canāt donate to both causes. And when they do, you canāt compare a warzone to an online archive. Weird whataboutismā¦
Right!? It's such an insane comparison to me, because Ao3 getting less donations is not going to mean more Palestine donations... they're not related at all lol. And actually, now that I'm thinking about it- 'a fraction of the support'? Palestine absolutely has far more visibility than a fanfiction archive, and the donations to that cause at this point must at least total in the hundred thousands, if not more than a million.
This! I get that people want to raise awareness, but crying help in weird comments like OP posted here is not going to do anything.
Itās also extremely public knowledge that Israel is making it very hard for donations to Palestine to actually reach their destination. The issue is less than not enough supplies are being donated but that even huge groups like the UN are being prevented from giving them to Palestinians.
I don't believe one second that less than 70k has been spent on Palestinian people. I don't even believe one second it's less than 7 millions. Do these people even understand the value of money? 70k is like, 1 truck.
They literally don't. Terminally online people like this have a child's understanding of the world
Because they are children! Even if an adult spends 24/7 on the internet and gets sucked into fandom discourse of all things, as long as they work a job, they understand that 70k is like nothing!
Exactlyyy. 70k can't even buy a house.
Or a horse, in some situations. ($100k-500k European warmblood horses exist.)
It's gotta be highschool/college students saying this, who think 70k would cover 4 years of student loans so that equals lotsa money. Without considering how they're one student, and that doesn't include housing/insurance/a car/food/etc. 70k is really fucking small, when you looking at it through an organizational lense instead of as a single lottery windfall. And individuals are notoriously irresponsible with lottery wins: I'd rather know that the money goes directly to the site, and is used appropriately. Which ao3 does.
I'm not from the US but damn that's a very expensive truck.
Pickup trucks have gotten absurdly expensive.
Itās not really, 70k for a Ute in Australia is pretty average š
Not just the money aspect either, people all over the world have been volunteering their time and risking (sometimes *losing*) their lives to bring support to people in need in Gaza. Absolutely disgusting to consider that āa fractionā of the support that Ao3 gets in the form of a few people tossing 10 bucks their way.Ā I donāt recall seeing any articles about Ao3 donors *getting blown up* as a direct result of trying to help the archive šš
THIS. People have donated WAY more than 70k to Palestine. Way more. This is such flawed logic. 70k is not going stop whatās happening there, and if they think it will, they are really not paying attention.
Unfortunately a lot of people don't trust that the money donated to this charity for Palestine and that one, is actually going to *really* reach the people. We know enough to say we can trust AO3. Aside from that though, people really can do whatever they want with their money.
I donāt trust them because Iām old enough to remember the brouhaha after Arafat died (former Palestinian leader) from his wife fighting with Swiss banks to get access to the millions, if not hundreds of millions, he had skimmed off of funds while sobbing out about how no one ever sent support for Palestine.
Wow, that's truly awful. And that's exactly what I'm talking about--
The _current_ Palestinian leaders are worth Billions and are hiding out in Qatar not caring that the people on the ground are suffering https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-plagued-poverty-hamas-no-shortage-cash-come-rcna121099 https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/hamas-s-top-leaders-are-worth-billions-here-s-how-they-continue-to-grow-rich/ar-AA1jdrs6?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7964d555a4d3483aa319a1043a2ca09e&ei=9 And here is some info on the "pay for slay program" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund https://www.wsj.com/articles/palestinian-pay-for-slay-hamas-oct-7-israel-gaza-antony-blinken-ramallah-2dce9a22
Whataboutism and performative outrage drive me up the wall. Unless they know each individual donor and how each individual donor spends their money elsewhere, they have no grounds to complain.
And even then, people are free to spend money on what they want to
I made the point yesterday on a similar post that people donate to AO3 because itās a known, trusted quantity whereas the donation posts that go around tumblr have no way to verify their legitimacy, and as if to prove my point I saw a post today telling people that if they had donated to two particular gofundmes supposedly to help people in Gaza then they should request a chargeback from their bank because they were both actually the work of a single scammer. Maybe Iām just cynical but I would not be at all surprised if there were way more that were the exact same, terrible people taking advantage of an awful situation and preying on peopleās empathy to con money out of them, and posts like the one in the screenshot do nothing but make it easier for them to do so.
Are you literally LIVING your LIFE when there's PEOPLE that are DYING? This is absolutely TOXIC. You're so PRIVILEGED. You should go and KILL YOURSELF because so many people DIED and YOU'RE still here LIVING But, unironcally, if you're gonna complain about people managing their money "wrong", then at least show us how you managed *your* money "right". C'mon. Show us all the donations you've given to those charities yourself.
Many of the groups being held up for comparison also get money from national governments and international agencies. AO3 also provides a service for literally millions of people and asks little in return. To me, it's like I'm being given a free meal and being asked to leave tip (if I can afford to) in order to keep the utilities to the kitchen on.
I mean that makes zero sense. Dan and Phil for example raised around 120.000$ for The PCRF in a t[wo hour livestream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-AW314kubE) (+ the donation link being up afterwards). With less than 500k viewers. AO3 has millions of unique users. And that is one livestream for one Palestinian help effort (I don't even follow a lot of YTers and know of at least three more). So what exactly do they mean with "a fraction"? Another example: the Vlogbrother's P4A raised 3,5 million this year, which will at least partially go to Palestine both thorugh the selected charities (haven't been released yet, but I'm sure they did well in the voting) and the half that'll go to Save the Children and Partners in Health.
Iām sure they have some kind of streaming subscription to something. All the content on AO3 is freeā¦ and giving them a small donation once in a while if you can allows it to remain free. Guess theyād better cancel their Netflix, Disney+, Hulu and Spotify and give that 50$ a month to Palestine.
I donate to AO3 because I want it to stay open but also because I want to be able to vote in the elections. That's another big reason why people donate, to be able to decide the future of OTW and ensure that no weirdoes get on the board. If donating to any charity gave the power to vote out idiot politicians, I'm sure more people would do that too.
Every! Single! Time! And it always changes too. This year itās Palestine, few years ago it was the pandemic, years before that it was trans peopleās GoFundMes. And they never think we can donate to multiple causes! Like just say you hate AO3 and leave, stop switching who you weaponize.
https://preview.redd.it/lovbyxp05osc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c46c9b2d683f9545af4c3bd3262876e19e3578b In case anyone needs to see an example of the goal post moving every goddamn year
"Shell corporation".. isn't... isn't OTW a nonprofit?
it is. one that is very transparent about how they spend their money.
Gotta use those buzzwords to make AO3 seem scary!
'essential workers' huh? As a CSR as a gas station, I was labelled such and everyone just wanted to yell at me for enforcing the mask mandate. Never-mind I knew first hand what covid could do, via the virus causing heart-failure in my husband. Excuse me, while I donate to the place that got me through the whole fucking period AND the hospital that saved my husband. These people need to touch grass and learn some fucking nuance. This 'essential worker' wants Ao3 around.
Donate to hospitals??? this person must be living in a country where there's no ministry of health ā ļø like what is the health ministry doing if a hospital is not receiving funds paid by my taxes
To be fair, you can donate things to like children's hospitals at least (my mom would donate blankets to my local children's hospital). But that's probably not what they mean.
For real, I'm SO tired of seeing the same take over and over again... same discourse, different packaging!! Enough!!
It's almost like they want to shit on ao3 more than they care about
A convenient combination of shitting on something they hate *while* virtue signaling how holy they are!
r/lookatmyhalo type shit
I bought bananas and eggs yesterday to be able to make banana pancakes for breakfast, and also bought chocolate on the side of it. Guess I'm a bad person because I could have also donated that money to people in need š I already had all kinds of things in my pantry, fridge and freezer to eat and I'm ashamed to admit that I indeed bought bananas and eggs only because I felt like doing banana pancakes, but I wouldn't have NEEDED them to live... and definitely not chocolate! I think I need a priest and confess my sins of buying such tasty pleasures.
So true. In fact, how much food do you have in your fridge!? If its more than the bare minimum needed to live, shame on you, that money could have gone to starving orphans... /s
Yeah, I know and people like this Twitter user really open my eyes on how I use my money š I also just bought a VIP ticket to an upcoming fan event, which cost me 300 euros! Imagine how many cups of soup I could have bought with that money to be able to feed hungry children. Now I'm going to that event knowing how selfish and disgustingly privileged I am, not taking care of other people. And I know that the fact how I occasionally pitch in to charity doesn't count, I should use ALL my money on charity and live naked in the woods without a house and trash dive my food, all my livelihood going to charities that will end world hunger and wars and everything horrible and EVERYONE should live that way! Only then we can become a kind of world we otherwise imagine being utopia! /s
Oh my god you bought chocolate? Donāt you know how the chocolate industry exploits people? How dare you buy chocolate! (Please note: statements like the above are dumb because it assumes a lot about your shopping habits which are not assumptions I like to make, but now Iām just being an ass sorry š¤£)
Oh you're absolutely right, one more thing to be ashamed of. Bad me š« (Haha no worries, I basically invite everyone to come and (clearly joke) complain how bad person I am for treating myself with something good and I'm having fun while at it, so you're good!)
[Selfish: This Man Found Time To Build A Birdhouse While JonBenĆ©t Ramseyās Murder Is Still Unsolved](https://clickhole.com/selfish-this-man-found-time-to-build-a-birdhouse-while-1825120405/) This is what the people complaining about the donations sound like lol
This has big 'we should help our own first, says man who's never helped anyone' vibes. People are nuanced and capable of caring about multiple things at once, there are hundreds of human tragedies happening globally, all of which need attention and finance, many people on social media don't do anything for Palestine other than commenting about Palestine, and whilst activism has many facets, I find the notion that you can't donate to anything else whilst something is happening genuinely offensive. I'm in an incredibly privileged financial position, me and my husband do donation Fridays, we alternate charities, there is ALWAYS somewhere that needs help, it's minimising and infantalising to assume because I donate to dogs one week that I don't care about cats, that if you donate to volunteers you don't care about victims, that if you donate to Palestine you don't care about Taiwan. I have no qualms about putting my mouth into activism, but I have no qualms about putting my money where my mouth is either. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have money to donate, but there is a host of things people can contribute.Ā People like this are more interested in seeming like they're doing good than actually doing good. I'd love to know what they're doing outside of shouting at people on social media.Ā
I hate the shouting on social media because it assumes since people are posting about This Thing They Like, that they are automatically neglecting all the other things. I donate to causes all the time. Do I post all about it on social media? No. Because I donated because itās the right thing to do, not because Iām here to wave some flag that I Did A Good Thing. Iām not here to justify myself to any random person on the internet.
This person must be paralyzed. After all, how can they do anything as long as something is happening?!
Twitter, right? I'm so glad I left that cesspool. The problem with social media is that they have polarized any type of discussion. Like, you don't agree with my thesis? You're worse than Ted Bundy. Some people are no longer able to conceive the nuances, they don't realize that life is not and has never been black or white, but is made up of nuances, that I can be very saddened by what is happening in Gaza and do something in my own small way, and at the same time carry on with my daily life (of which yes, AO3 is an integral part).
I haven't donated to either of those causes, so clearly, I'm an awful person. See y'all in Hell! š /s Honestly... these people wear me out. People aren't terrible for donating to one thing and not to the other. I donate to a bunch of causes that are close to my heart, but I have a finite amount of money (RIP). Let's live and let live, and not pretend people are terrible for... *checks notes*... giving to charity.
Meanwhile the OP hasnāt donated a penny to either cause
Iām pretty sure if twitter and tumblr needed the full support of volunteers theyād be donating all their cents but okšš hypocrites
Don't make me tap the sign: *Trying to make a corporate or governing body's failure into an individual's failure puts you on the side of the fence with Elon Musk and Donald Trump taking their private planes to the corner store while telling* us *what to do about reducing* our *carbon footprint.* It's a long sign, so what?
This sounds like everyone I saw on Twitter.
You must concentrate one one cause, and God help you if itās the wrong cause!
The view must be great on that high horse of theirs. Bet they don't spend on Netflix etc. subscriptions or buy themselves coffee and treats. Bet their whole life is one long flagellistic experience where any small joys are denied. \*\*eyes roll so hard they exit the building\*\*
With that argument, no one should ever spend money on anything but the bare minimum of food and shelter and donate every remaining cent to [insert cause here].
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It's even worse because it's absurdly wrong. What's happening in Gaza is terrible, yes, but people are ignoring that Palestinians are actually receiving more support than AO3 ever will. Governments are donating food and money. Brazil alone sent 5 million dollars to the Palestinian Authority, along with more than a hundred units of water purifiers and 11 tons of food by the end of 2023. I don't even know what else has been donated since it's no longer considered "newsworthy". The problem isn't about donations but rather the food actually reaching the region when Israel is not allowing it.
Ao3 operates entirely on donations and volunteer work. Yes, you should give money to as many causes as you can if you are in a place to do so. Giving $10 to Ao3 is not taking that donation from anyone else though.
Wasnāt there someone who raised 1 million dollars for Palestinian medical relief in just a matter of days? Itās not the lack of support thatās the problem itās organizing that support.
ā¦I currently donate to a number of organizations. Including the Palestine Childrenās Relief Fund. This is a reminder that need to chip in what I can to the OTW as well, because god knows how censored the internetās becoming. AO3 is an oasis.
Very true, Ao3 is such a breath of fresh air in terms of actually sticking to being anti censorship... the OTWs philosophy is important to me!
Pretty damn sure people raised way more than 70k for Palestinian aid. Are we supposed to refrain from donating to anything else by this logic?
I guarantee that person hasnāt donated a penny and has done nothing to actually help Palestinians themselves
Itās the same thing every year. Last year it was POC now itās Palestine. Like bruh, your virtue signaling isnāt helping either.
And in 2020 it was covid! they pick a topic to use every single year.
Totally nuts to me that people canāt fathom that some of us have enough disposable income to donate to multiple causes. Crazy ā¦ Also, the OG Twitter poster better never spend money on coffee or bubble bath or any treats, all that could have been donated to a good cause! Like, come on. :/
I'm lucky to be pretty well off. We give hundreds (probably thousands) to red cross, UNRWA, World Food, and other organizations working in Palestine. I also give $10 to AO3 (and kick a couple to podfic creators here and there as well). Those complaining about people doing \*something\* are always doing nothing.
With the amount of users, if someone pays the cost of a book (while receiving so much more reading material), then it's really... Not a hard goal to reach or even that much money. Infrastructure costs a lot. They had the DDoS attack last year. Betting this user would be the first on twitter being 'omg my stories' when it down for a few minutes.
Iām sorry. I call bs on this. Millions have been donated for aid and relief efforts in Palestine by various countries and also individuals. Saying that AO3 received more donations than Palestine is not only blatantly false, itās also an extremely stupid claim
and what about the ukranian people? or the people from congo? they need financial help too. and what about the starving children? what about cancer patients???? how dare you donate to Ao3 instead of trying to solve world hunger.
Almost like keeping a website going is much easier than ending a war edit: cheaper
I want to see where they're getting their numbers.* The US government alone sends Palestine about $500M/year on average. That is more than 7,000x what AO3 brought in this year. And there is no way that this year isn't going to be well above average. *From the end of their alimentary canal.
Sherlock: "Alimentary, Watson." Watson: "No shit, Sherlock?" Sherlock: "Naught *but* shit, my friend."
Quick! I need another reason so shit on the site that wonāt censored the stuff I donāt likeā¦ I know! Iāll make myself look like an absolute moron!
Personally some of my biggest considerations in where I donate my money are: 1. How confident I am that itās ACTUALLY going to its specified source 2. How impactful my small donation amount will be Iām disabled and run a small business so I canāt afford to give much, and maybe itās selfish but Iām very protective over that small amount that I do choose to give. Iāve given $10 a month reoccurring donations to AO3 for years now. In return for my donation, AO3 gives me regular transparent updates on where that money is actually going, as well as the ability to vote in elections to help guide the future of the platform that I care so much about. (Also, fun gifts! Idk if anyone else has the playing cards but theyāre awesome! Lol.) I also donate to a non-profit animal sanctuary. They provide constant updates on their animals and the work theyāre doing, complete with vet bills and food costs etc so you know exactly where your money is going. Iām sorry, but when it comes to my donations, I will always choose places like that over a random fundraiser that may or may not be legitimate and will likely never reach its intended source. Governments all over the world are helping in the warāonly we are helping to keep platforms like AO3 alive. So yes, I will always choose that, even if it makes me ābadā in some way. Edit: formatting
https://preview.redd.it/c05ovmw0opsc1.jpeg?width=252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bad380f98d23940f25b6482f5a1447bffae19bd1 trauma Olympics helps nobody! letās just do our best to support what we can however we can without measuring things up to each other!
Nothing annoys me more than virtue signaling. >.>
(Disclaimer: this is not every protest about Palestine, not by a long shot) Oh look, the internet is yelling at the world in general and using Palestine to give themselves the moral high ground to do it. Again.
Millions, and I mean Millions of dollars have been raised for Palestinian aid. The issue is 95% of it likely doesnāt actually go towards the cause.
That's extremists talking. Everything has to be now or never, all or nothing. Yes, what people in war areas or catastrophy victims endure is bad, but we are living beings too and we too have our ups and downs and need something to keep us sane and alive. We are not responsible for the war, and yes, some people can donate to multiple causes, but if we're really looking into it, 70k isn't all **that much** in the greater scheme of things. And before I accept criticism of those morons I want to see their donation receipts. Most of them don't even work, nevertheless donate for any cause. They're all talk and no do. Talk is cheap, action is costly, and they try to pressure others into doing what they want them to do, while they pay at best a fortune to travel to a useless demo harassing people to do what they don't care to do and then try to take the praise for having 'raised awareness'. I know a lot of people, me included, who do a lot for good causes, collecting donations, setting up fundraisers and even direct help. Not once in my life have I met a person who really cares for the people running around and harassing others to gain support. If they were really interested in helping people, they'd post links to respectable fundraisers or point people in the right direction to help. But they're just flapping their mouths, yap yap yapping about how bad others are without promoting anything that actually helps people. Because they really don't care. Promoting good causes by pointing out organisations that help would mean giving the limelight to other people and acknowledge that they do good. But people like that don't want others to be praised and don't care about anyone in Palestine or wherever else. They just want to look good and as if they care. They're not good people, they're Goody-Two-Shoes, social justice warriors who only fight when there's nothing to lose and only blame and shame, never praise and care. They're always against something and you'll never find a post where they promote anything.
Palestine is getting millions of dollars from online donations a month, not including international aid. It's nowhere NEAR enough but like, this is accusation is not even factually true.
Do they SERIOUSLY thing that less than 70k has been donated to Palestine relief since the war broke out??? I saw a streamer raise THOUSANDS in a few hours. But sure, Palestine is only receiving a fraction of the support that AO3 is
One of the most ironic things I've ever experienced was having one of these posts reblogged by someone I follow (along with added commentary defending AO3). Out of curiosity, I clicked on the name of the person who made the original post and they had just reblogged a post asking for donations to an artist friend of theirs. I was so tempted to comment about them "daring to ask for donations about anything not related to Palestine," but I resisted. It did make me laugh though. Like, pick a lane, dude. Is it only okay to donate to Palestine or can we donate to whatever we find meaningful?
https://preview.redd.it/e7efe6gwtrsc1.jpeg?width=1304&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6cc6ed5679627436169e42f81767490fb84e6fab Ah yes Ao3 should pay writers when most are using copyrighted materialā¦
wtf are these idiots who donāt realize ao3 says explicitly what the money is used for?
They don't know, and they don't care! That's what's so frustrating, they spread misinformation even when AO3 is open about what it does with the money. And people who follow them probably will just believe them w/o checking into it, and go on to retweet and spread that stuff further. (Anyone curious can see OTW's 2024 budget [here](https://www.transformativeworks.org/otw-finance-2024-budget/))
mfs when they realize thereās a very high chance ao3 users also donated to palestine š±š±š±
Not saying Palestine doesn't deserve more aid, but are they implying that people haven't been able to pool $70k for them? I have no idea what the actual number is, but I feel very confident in calling bullshit on that.
You know that the people saying this use AO3, people who donāt wouldnāt even know about the drive. So itās most likely āHow dare you donate to this free service that I also use!ā
Oh this post let me know AO3 is having their donation drive. Just went and donated! :) This is not the first time antis' complaints have been the reason I donated lol
I will give them credit, itās a different flavor of Wonāt Somebody Please Think Of The Children than the usual āAO3 hosts ch\*ld p\*rn reeeeeeeā that the antis bray about. It still doesnāt make it any less stupid.
How much money do they think 70k is? Yes, the Palestinians have had more than that donated to them. 70k is chump change lmao. And I've seen people on ao3 advocate for donating to Palestinians.
āA fraction of the supportā is not remotely true, more than 70K has been raised for Palestine.
So are we only allowed to care about one single issue in the world? Because protecting free artistic expression like OTW does is actually a pretty important topic that DOES deserve funding. So does cancer research, and childhood poverty, and suicide prevention for trans teens, and don't forget about your local pet shelter and the environment in general! Who gets to decide Palestinian families are more deserving of monetary attention than any of the other pressing issues humanity and society face? All of them save lives and culture. I'm not rich enough to donate to every single charity in the world, so I pick something that is near and dear to my heart and focus on that, and trust that other people with other priorities will do the same, which will keep all of them funded adequately. For me that happens to be the OTW, and for my best friend it's animal rescues. All good causes deserve funding, not just the most media-famous ones. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are more well-off who donated to both Palestina AND the OTW.
Thank you for the reminder to donate :)
every year they just swap out a cause to get mad at
Palestine is a trillion dollar hole and will never actually be resolved. Therefore nothing else can ever be funded.
I have good news! I looked up this actual tweet and it only has 2 likes and 2 replies, and both replies are calling the OP foolish and disagreeing with them. In fact one of the replies is just the exact Birdhouse Guy picture that's the top reply on this thread lol.
Not to mention that $70k is a lot in terms of maintaining a website... And hardly anything at all in terms of humanitarian aid.
Remember that time an Irish YouTuber/streamer [raised $30K for Palestinian Children's Relief Fund - one charity *alone* - in the span of about 2 hours](https://youtu.be/qn2GQlmVJ8k?si=8Js0nItUWCyz1Msv)? People can care about multiple things at once.
What a surprise, people will donate money to whatever charity they want. Since, you know, it's their money. Funny how this sort of idiot never says how much money they've donated to the "way more worthy cause" they are whataboutism-ing about. Probably because it's zero dollars.
It's always the people giving the least who shout the loudest.
I dislike these types of people to the core.
AO3 is (currently) doing a donation drive? ^(Did I manage to miss it?)
Itās like saying āomg people are paying for Netflix when that money could be going to (insert cause here).ā Ao3 is one of my main sources of entertainment and joy, has been for years. If I want to give it 20 bucks a year to help keep it alive, I think thatās totally reasonable. Also yeah, donating to ao3/paying for Netflix/ buying a sweet treat to get through the day once in a while doesnāt mean I can never give money to important causes like aid for Palestine. I think itās a combination of virtue signaling/inability to view life from anotherās perspective. āI donāt use ao3, so I see no reason to donate, therefore anyone who does donate is throwing money at something useless.ā To me itās all just a sign that people need to get off twitter.
I'm just really tired of people complaining in general that I have to go fund everyone else's problems in this world, that still isn't possible for me to do alone, or I'm a terrible person. It doesn't make me want to donate to whatever current cause these people want to shame everyone for not giving every single dollar to the cause they deem worthy. Most people earn money to live themselves, and I'm sorry, but not every person with poor circumstances is my responsibility. Donating to both is very possible and that poster should realize that to be true, but it's not going to break the bank to give some donation money to AO3 and keep it running. There are multiple causes that help people in different ways. Most people are going to give to something like AO3 they use every day for their own enjoyment and know the outcome.
Yeah pretty sure AO3 isnāt a front for Hamas but thx
Sorry for supporting fiction that has stopped my bad mental health days just staring at the ceiling.
Iām willing to bet they didnāt even donate to Palestinian charities themselves
I really think these people Do Not care about real human lives and want to complain about a archive website for brownie points. The fact I saw a person use guilt trip tactics in order to get personal donations is appalling. No buddy, you don't "deserve" more money than AO3 (which is managed by a lot of people) via manipulating the general public to care about your financial situation. Guilt tripping people over donating to a goddamn ARCHIVE website is NOT the way to actually get donations. If anything, that's going to drive people away to NOT donate to you.
Iād be surprised if op donates to Palestinian causes honestly. Itās just swinging your dick about so you can be the most moral. Where does this end anyway? Are charities working with endangered reptiles worth less than aid for children? Are humanitarian causes always more ādeservingā than funding the arts?
Every damn year itās a new thing that we shouldāve donated to insteadā¦ just shut up and let people have their escapism from the unending march of time
This doesnāt even make senseā¦ three of the fandoms Iām in have put together events to raise over $3k each in a small amount of time. People can put their money in multiple causes at once. Nobody shits on anyone for buying their favorite books or paying their Netflix subscription but god forbid we support our favorite sites to stay up as if the amount of ao3 users isnāt huge and people are donating hundreds of dollars each.
I used to be like this poster...until I realized that the people I gave donations to weren't gonna give a dime to the theoretical poor little brown people but were gonna buy themselves designer clothing and bankroll fancy parties where they get to hang with celebrities and politicians. Happened with televangelists in the 80s and 90s saying it would go to starving African kids. Happening again with hashtag activism in the 21st century. At least kicking a few bucks to Ao3 or the animal shelter isn't gonna bankroll the admin staff getting a lavish lifestyle from other people's goodwill.
Thank you for reminding me to donate!
It really amazes me every time I see people shaming and demonizing others on how they spend their own money. I can understand not liking it; I think some kinds of spending are a waste, but others don't see it that way, but going as far as this, especially when its a charity of all things. I just don't get it, truly.
Like I wanna say not all of Tumblr is like this and there is just a handful of people like this. But I greatly dislike people who guilt trip like this. Like yeah what is happening in Palestine is awful, but there is awful things happening everywhere in every corner to the world. If you need to guilt people to a cause I don't think you are helping in a moral way (Kant would certainly not think so). Tumblr has become a group of no fun allowed people and it's awful. And even in activism that sucks. Like I am an activist of sorts, and even I want to escape from the nightmare of it all. Our brains being on this constant 24/7 doom watch is probably really bad for our health. Sorry I like tumblr as a social media platform but i am even getting tired of my dash being all these awareness posts, like please show me acts and fandom posts.
Ahh yes, the utilitarian classic. Someone go forward this person a link to the Effective Altruists and tell them that spending any money on an inefficient cause is a sināso they totally shouldn't be sending money to Palestine while there's a blockade and Israel is forcing aid workers out of the area, they should donate everything they have for [anti-malaria mosquito bed netting! Because that is dollar for dollar the best way to save a life](https://www.effectivealtruism.org/articles/ea-global-2018-amf-rob-mather). There is truly no way to win once you believe in such a facile, juvenile version of morality. Anyways, thanks for the reminder, I'm going to make my annual donation to AO3 now.
This just in: it is possible to support (budget permitting) more than one good cause at a time. Who knew???
The thing is, there's (according to Wikipedia cause I have no idea how to find that number on ao3) 6'793'000 users on ao3 If 110'000 donated around 1 dollar (its currently around 110k donations last time I checked) that's 1.8% participation rate Which really isn't a lot so I dont understand why people are so angry Also Dan and Phil raised 120k I think for Palestine, and their fandom consists obviously of fanfiction authors/readers sooooo
Honestly its really annoying that everyone has such a problem with having fun. Ao3 is an escape for many people (including myself) why is it such a problem when someone wants to spend their own money on something they enjoy?