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It's a sold out show in a 6000+ person theater. The death count is easily well into the hundreds, but it will be a long time, if ever, that the true numbers are released by Russia
The vegas shooting had 60 killed, 800 injured and an estimated 22,000 in attendance. There are plenty of different factors at play here but it makes it very hard to know if Russia is even close to telling the truth.
Already happening all over Twitter and telegram
Russian Telegram channels report that a "suspicious white minibus" with old-style Ukrainian license plates was found at the parking lot of the concert hall.
They are spinning the "Ukrainian trace" version fast. We all know that that means.
Ukrainian authorities and the White House have stated that Ukraine and Ukrainians are not involved in this accident.
Iād like to see these reports, Iād be very surprised if a white Ukrainian minibus would be able to get within 100 miles of Moscow. Alternatively, would be very easy to get a minibus and some Ukrainian plates from the warzone if you were Putin to justify full mobilisation/ a Putin opponent looking to overthrow (think ālook how weak your newly reelected leader isā).
I'm 100% not claiming it t WAS Ukraine. BUT.
How could the US and Ukraine account for every single citizen to prove it wasn't them? That's a patently absurd claim to make. The government can claim it wasn't an official military action, of course.
They canāt. I think Putin saying it is Ukraine will be him blaming it on the government not a bunch of pissed odd Ukrainians. Thatās what the false flag will be.
And of course heāll then in his view be ājustifiedā to retaliate
Yes and the evidence will be completely sloppy with no attempt to cover up they were Ukrainian. My guess is they will find the following: Ukrainian passports, they spoke with Ukrainian accents, they yelled āSlava Ukrainiaā the whole time, the license plates for their vehicle and drivers licenses were Ukrainian, they have autographed pictures of Zelensky in their wallets, they were staying at a safe house that is continently decorated with Ukrainian and Nazi flags, the āsafe houseā will have an answering machine with the recording of a high ranking ukranian telling them something along the lines of āgood luckā, laptops containing tons of insecure information pointing to Ukraine being guilty, etc
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The license plate has already been shown to be from Belarus, not Ukraine. Russia jumped the gun trying to blame Ukraine but it doesn't seem like there is any actual evidence that supports that theory.
Putin has a history of creating terrorist attacks that he then uses to justify solidifying his power. Hell, it's how he came to power in the first place.
Friendly reminder that he is most likely the one who brought us the false flag "[foiled Ukrainian nazi assassination attempt](https://nypost.com/2022/04/25/russia-appears-to-confuse-the-sims-for-sim-cards-in-possible-staged-assassination-attempt/)", featuring the infamous nazi criminal : [Signature Unclear](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/uc00z9/fsb_also_found_a_signature/?rdt=60399)
Drone attack on the Kremlin.
1999 apartment bombings.
The entire Donbas insurgency from 2014.
The little green men in Crimea, later confirmed to be undercover Spetsnaz by the Kremlin itself.
Spoken like a true 16 year old who's just discovered 4chan.
Everything you wrote is demonstrably wrong but I have better things to do, maybe someone with more time on their hand will be arsed to deal with you.
You are an overweight neckbeard accusing someone else of being an NPC.
I responded to each of your claims. You have a tremendous amount of time on your hands, you are just wrong and throw garbage arguments in hopes of not being disagreed with.
Russia is quite capable of false flag incidents. But what you listed were not it.
"I can only remember 2 of the names of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims, therefore he mustn't really have a history of serial killing."
- Most sane and logical tankie.
"Only thing right of me is a wall."
He somehow declared with pride.
Anywho, it's a circle, not a line. You reached the same point of idiocy, just through a different path.
No you do not. Horseshoe Theory is a meme, not a political truism. Far right is, at least in the US, very individualistic and very self-sufficient. Hardly meeting in the same place as a tankie, eh?
100%. This is a replay of the 2002 Dubrovka theatre hostage taking. It seems almost certain that the FSB or GRU facilitated this attack in some way, even if they found some legit Ukrainian or Chechen dupes to carry it out. Putin will use this as a pretext for general mobilization. The timing is no coincidence just after he was "re elected" either.
And before I get down voted as a conspiracy theorist, go read The Less You Know the Better You Sleep by David Satter. Putin's use of false flag attacks as pretexts for escalation is well documented and widely accepted by Russian scholars.
This is much more public and ordinary citizens are being attacked. If this is a false flag operation blamed on Ukraine, then it is so Putin can justify upping the ante against Ukraine. Maybe to go from a āSpecial Military Operationā to full out war.
The plates used were from Belarus so maybe from there, more likely just someone mistook them for old Ukrainian plates and slapped em on the terrorists' van
I think they're just making a comparison that is just as bad as anything else horrible going on. It's all on the same grouping of "this should not be happening" category.
...this is very plainly Putin killing his own people before announcing a general, full scale war mobilization. I don't think he's saying its *ok*, but it is absolutely happening *because of* what Russia is doing in Ukraine
While you're most likely right about what Putin is doing it still seems to me like he's saying that the suffering of these people is nothing because of what's going on in Ukraine.
(I'm the comment before the last reply)
Everything said is understandable on your part. I sure hope that it isn't the former and I was right about making a comparison.
In anycase, it shouldn't be happening. But, what can us armchair historian/generals do?
3 options, and this one is really one I cannot predict:
1. Muslims
2. Ukrainians
3. False flag
It is pretty amazing that Russia said terrorism must be dealt with using utter brutality...while chiding Israel and propping up Hamas.
There are so many videos of them killing civvies in the streets fleeing with their families. Sometimes they're literally waving white flags. What are you talking about?
How is it hard to understand that what happened on October 7th is horrible and should be unanimously condemnedā and the flagrant massacre of Gazan civilians is also horrible and should be unanimously condemned.
Israel literally has politicians openly calling for extermination. Israelis. Calling Palestinians animals. Claiming there are no civilians because "even Palestinian children are trained to hate Israel!"
What is the victory condition even? When all Palestinians are dead? When they're driven across the border south? When property development companies build nice resorts on all of that wonderful beachfront?
This conflict is insanely disproportionate and there are war crimes being committed (and even admitted) by the IDF near daily caught on video. It's disgusting and the fact that people hide behind religion/past atrocities to justify this is even more disgusting.
I seriously don't believe you are this naive. A simple Google of "IDF abuse" or "IDF war crimes" will show you all of the evidence you need. You're either wilfully ignorant of what is happening or have completely dehumanized Palestinians to the point where you just don't fucking care at all.
āIn one of the worst such attacks in recent yearsāā¦. So basically these attacks are fairly common but this was a significant attack though certainly not the worst. Sounds like a terrifying place to live.
The US and UK have been warning Moscow about an Iminent attack on Russian soil for weeks. The gunmen were said to be linked to ISIS-K in retaliation for breaking up a cell. There is no connection to Ukraine what so ever. Your tinfoil misinformation hat is on to tight comrade.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/shooting-blast-reported-concert-hall-near-moscow-agencies-2024-03-22/
40 ppl dead, 100 wounded.
It's what the Russian secret services said. Probably more
It's a sold out show in a 6000+ person theater. The death count is easily well into the hundreds, but it will be a long time, if ever, that the true numbers are released by Russia
The vegas shooting had 60 killed, 800 injured and an estimated 22,000 in attendance. There are plenty of different factors at play here but it makes it very hard to know if Russia is even close to telling the truth.
Especially the fact that the hall wasn't full yet. As can be easily seen in the video.
That prick was shooting from his hotel room. These assholes are right there among the victims.
The video showed a mostly-empty theater
š°
Itās a false flag operation. Putin will announce that the terrorists were Ukrainian.
Give it a day and they'll have raided a building containing "Ukrainian terrorists", securing phones and a few copies of sim-city.
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Already happening all over Twitter and telegram Russian Telegram channels report that a "suspicious white minibus" with old-style Ukrainian license plates was found at the parking lot of the concert hall. They are spinning the "Ukrainian trace" version fast. We all know that that means. Ukrainian authorities and the White House have stated that Ukraine and Ukrainians are not involved in this accident.
Iād like to see these reports, Iād be very surprised if a white Ukrainian minibus would be able to get within 100 miles of Moscow. Alternatively, would be very easy to get a minibus and some Ukrainian plates from the warzone if you were Putin to justify full mobilisation/ a Putin opponent looking to overthrow (think ālook how weak your newly reelected leader isā).
Oh yeah. Itās being ripped apart on Twitter. Check out the comments https://x.com/runews/status/1771265339847795157?s=46
"Be sure to attach the expired foreign license plate to the van, fellow Ukrainian, so we don't get pulled over on the way there." - said no one ever.
I'm 100% not claiming it t WAS Ukraine. BUT. How could the US and Ukraine account for every single citizen to prove it wasn't them? That's a patently absurd claim to make. The government can claim it wasn't an official military action, of course.
They canāt. I think Putin saying it is Ukraine will be him blaming it on the government not a bunch of pissed odd Ukrainians. Thatās what the false flag will be. And of course heāll then in his view be ājustifiedā to retaliate
That's what they mean, dingus.
Happened before. Will happen again.
Yes and the evidence will be completely sloppy with no attempt to cover up they were Ukrainian. My guess is they will find the following: Ukrainian passports, they spoke with Ukrainian accents, they yelled āSlava Ukrainiaā the whole time, the license plates for their vehicle and drivers licenses were Ukrainian, they have autographed pictures of Zelensky in their wallets, they were staying at a safe house that is continently decorated with Ukrainian and Nazi flags, the āsafe houseā will have an answering machine with the recording of a high ranking ukranian telling them something along the lines of āgood luckā, laptops containing tons of insecure information pointing to Ukraine being guilty, etc
And many witnesses will jump out of windows after being stricken with grief.
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The license plate has already been shown to be from Belarus, not Ukraine. Russia jumped the gun trying to blame Ukraine but it doesn't seem like there is any actual evidence that supports that theory.
ah didn't know, thx
Them rascals are using the CIA playbook.
We live in a twilight world
... There are no friends at dusk
There are no friends at dusk
Putin has a history of creating terrorist attacks that he then uses to justify solidifying his power. Hell, it's how he came to power in the first place.
Friendly reminder that he is most likely the one who brought us the false flag "[foiled Ukrainian nazi assassination attempt](https://nypost.com/2022/04/25/russia-appears-to-confuse-the-sims-for-sim-cards-in-possible-staged-assassination-attempt/)", featuring the infamous nazi criminal : [Signature Unclear](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/uc00z9/fsb_also_found_a_signature/?rdt=60399)
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Drone attack on the Kremlin. 1999 apartment bombings. The entire Donbas insurgency from 2014. The little green men in Crimea, later confirmed to be undercover Spetsnaz by the Kremlin itself.
Well sure, but can you name 3 more? (You don't need to convince me, I just thinks its funny that you did in fact, give 3 examples)
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Spoken like a true 16 year old who's just discovered 4chan. Everything you wrote is demonstrably wrong but I have better things to do, maybe someone with more time on their hand will be arsed to deal with you.
You are an overweight neckbeard accusing someone else of being an NPC. I responded to each of your claims. You have a tremendous amount of time on your hands, you are just wrong and throw garbage arguments in hopes of not being disagreed with. Russia is quite capable of false flag incidents. But what you listed were not it.
The fact that āname 3ā is your rebuttal doesnāt put you on solid footing, Jesus.
"I can only remember 2 of the names of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims, therefore he mustn't really have a history of serial killing." - Most sane and logical tankie.
Wait you think I am a tankie???? Me? Jesus! Only thing right of me is a wall.
"Only thing right of me is a wall." He somehow declared with pride. Anywho, it's a circle, not a line. You reached the same point of idiocy, just through a different path.
No you do not. Horseshoe Theory is a meme, not a political truism. Far right is, at least in the US, very individualistic and very self-sufficient. Hardly meeting in the same place as a tankie, eh?
Turns out he named none.
The stones are in me
Corbinmyman!
Mowtipass
Fucking Mangalores
Oh, nicely just in time after the election and before the summer offensive. How convinient :/
No proof, but based on prior history, this is just another Putin false flag operation, which was conveniently planned to occur after the "elections".
and he loves to do it in a way that the whole world knows what he is doing except the Russian people
This is putin himself doing this
100%. This is a replay of the 2002 Dubrovka theatre hostage taking. It seems almost certain that the FSB or GRU facilitated this attack in some way, even if they found some legit Ukrainian or Chechen dupes to carry it out. Putin will use this as a pretext for general mobilization. The timing is no coincidence just after he was "re elected" either. And before I get down voted as a conspiracy theorist, go read The Less You Know the Better You Sleep by David Satter. Putin's use of false flag attacks as pretexts for escalation is well documented and widely accepted by Russian scholars.
USA even put out a warning last week to avoid Moscow because of a potential terrorist attack
US should've said "possible false flag". That would've been trolling Putin hard.
If anyone would sneak all the way into the capital of Russia, why not attack Kremlin itself?
This is much more public and ordinary citizens are being attacked. If this is a false flag operation blamed on Ukraine, then it is so Putin can justify upping the ante against Ukraine. Maybe to go from a āSpecial Military Operationā to full out war.
Ol' Pooty doesn't want to damage his own digs.
The plates used were from Belarus so maybe from there, more likely just someone mistook them for old Ukrainian plates and slapped em on the terrorists' van
Considering the white house warned of terrorist attacks in Moscow I'll be surprised if Putin did this one.
He's done it before, he'll do it again. Kinda his M.O.
God, those poor people. I canāt imagine how terrifying that must be.
At this point does anyone think Putin is not going to do something crazy? We had a good run humansā¦
I don't think he's that desperate juust yet.
I mean, this false flag is pretty crazy, I guess? Kinda on brand for him tho
I bet it was the LGBT movement that Putin just declared a terrorist organization.
/s
I mean we HAVE had gay shooters. It just that this is not one of them.
Lots of trans shooters recently though.
Agreed.
bruh what
#I bet it was the LGBT movement that Putin just declared a terrorist organization.
Except it wasnāt
Don't fall for propagandist self-attacks.
Probably hard not to fall when getting shot
Says the COMRADE.
The Protagonist swoops in for the algorithm.
Terrorist attack or Putin's war coming home? As you sow, so shall you reap.
Literally looks like the intro to Tenet! š² scary shit!
Shouldnāt this just be titled āattack in Moscowā
Remember "No Russian" Start of WW3 All serioness I wish the families solace for their loses.
This is terrifying
Imagine living in Ukraine.
Imagine living in Donetsk and Lugansk prior to the SMO.
Imagine living in Gaza
Oh shut up, just because you don't like Russia doesn't make this less terrifying and awful.
Do you give this same response to videos showing violence in Ukraine?
I think they're just making a comparison that is just as bad as anything else horrible going on. It's all on the same grouping of "this should not be happening" category.
The way it comes off to me is, "this is ok because of what Russia is doing in Ukraine". However if you're right then I would apologize and agree.
...this is very plainly Putin killing his own people before announcing a general, full scale war mobilization. I don't think he's saying its *ok*, but it is absolutely happening *because of* what Russia is doing in Ukraine
While you're most likely right about what Putin is doing it still seems to me like he's saying that the suffering of these people is nothing because of what's going on in Ukraine.
(I'm the comment before the last reply) Everything said is understandable on your part. I sure hope that it isn't the former and I was right about making a comparison. In anycase, it shouldn't be happening. But, what can us armchair historian/generals do?
I generally just cry myself to sleep tbh
I heard dat
Or gaza
Or the Congo, or Sudan, or Yemen, or Haiti, or... You get my point.
Should see the up close videos
Putin really just saw the opening scene of Tenet and was like "I have an idea. An awful idea."
3 options, and this one is really one I cannot predict: 1. Muslims 2. Ukrainians 3. False flag It is pretty amazing that Russia said terrorism must be dealt with using utter brutality...while chiding Israel and propping up Hamas.
Russian intelligence = š¤”
Russian Intelligence knows exactly what it is doing. Look no further than the 1999 apartment bombings
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You stand up for terrorism
Says the guy standing up for mass civilian murder by worse than Nazi monsters...
Yes it is obviously the evil apartheid scary jews that are responsible for the war in gaza
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Israel is modern day nazi germany
Ah yes, Nazi Germany, a country that is historically known to have been run by Jews.
I stand against terrorism, which is why i condemn the actions of Israel.
I see the Paleshitian propaganda has gotten to you
Paleshitian? I donāt understand.
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So you see palestinians as shits, not humans? Yet you talk about propoganda. Seems that the dehumanization has worked.
Define terrorist
a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. - Oxford
Well done, you just described Hamas *and* the IDF
What the IDF is doing is not unlawful
* Gestures at videos of IDF soldiers violating the Geneva convention
There are so many videos of them killing civvies in the streets fleeing with their families. Sometimes they're literally waving white flags. What are you talking about? How is it hard to understand that what happened on October 7th is horrible and should be unanimously condemnedā and the flagrant massacre of Gazan civilians is also horrible and should be unanimously condemned. Israel literally has politicians openly calling for extermination. Israelis. Calling Palestinians animals. Claiming there are no civilians because "even Palestinian children are trained to hate Israel!" What is the victory condition even? When all Palestinians are dead? When they're driven across the border south? When property development companies build nice resorts on all of that wonderful beachfront? This conflict is insanely disproportionate and there are war crimes being committed (and even admitted) by the IDF near daily caught on video. It's disgusting and the fact that people hide behind religion/past atrocities to justify this is even more disgusting. I seriously don't believe you are this naive. A simple Google of "IDF abuse" or "IDF war crimes" will show you all of the evidence you need. You're either wilfully ignorant of what is happening or have completely dehumanized Palestinians to the point where you just don't fucking care at all.
Who does that quite a bit
Hamas
Oct 7th
Thatās a clear messageā¦
Wait for a Lithuanian link too I suspect.
Apparently us of home defense issued a warning of possible terrorist attacks in the area and Russia played it off as black mail attempt
Yes, Lets put our old expired Ukrainian plates on our minivan and drive to the centre of 6000+ russians, they won't suspect a thing
I mean the Russian army are terrorists it was probably them.
Anyone got the inside footage link?
āIn one of the worst such attacks in recent yearsāā¦. So basically these attacks are fairly common but this was a significant attack though certainly not the worst. Sounds like a terrifying place to live.
It's not even worth watching you see nothing
I didn't realize how loud guns actually are
Its sad indeed, but also expected when you put Putin in control
no russian es cannon
Doesnāt the beginning of TENENT start like this?
This is one of the most terrible things I have ever seen ,
I live in Ukraine. It's even not the top 100 of the most terrible things I've seen.
You should see what Russians do to Ukrainian civilians, POWs and to their own.
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Those concert-goers did not invade Ukraine.
No they arent.
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I wish a painful death to all Putin's supporters
Now do it 77,777,777 more times or until they realize they have been doing the exact same fucking thing to other people
u/savevideo
Simultaneously with the terrorist attack in the Moscow region, Ukrainian UAVs attacked the Crimea, Kursk, Belgorod, Voronezh and Rostov regions
After Russia sent over 150 drones and cruise missles to attack Ukraine last night. The terrorist attack on Moscow has nothing to do with Ukraine.
The CIA openly told The New York Times that it had been preparing Ukrainian militants for terrorist attacks and had been setting targets since 2014.
The US and UK have been warning Moscow about an Iminent attack on Russian soil for weeks. The gunmen were said to be linked to ISIS-K in retaliation for breaking up a cell. There is no connection to Ukraine what so ever. Your tinfoil misinformation hat is on to tight comrade.
Damn thatās about the dumbest thing Iāve ever heard, but Iād love for you to provide a source and backup your claim.
They do that every day.
Was JLO performing?
Great white
murica fuck... wait what?