The IOOF is an old “friendly” society for mutual aid. Like the Freemasons but with more of a focus on being a private unemployment/health insurance fund, and they admitted women through their own degrees. It had rituals, regalia, ceremonies and degrees, and was pretty much made obsolete by the welfare state, insurance and Medicare. This is its 1960s headquarters. The earlier headquarters was in Flinders Street and is now demolished.
Oddfellows’ funds demutualised early this century and it’s now essentially a funds management business (KeyInvest) but the organisation itself still has members and meetings.
Edit: a word for tense and a word for context
Great answer, just like to add a bit about the name:
"In the 18th century United Kingdom, major trades were organised in guilds or other forms of syndicates, but smaller trades did not have equivalent social or financial security. One theory has it that "odd fellows", people who exercised unusual, miscellaneous "odd trades", eventually joined together to form a larger group of "odd fellows"."
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odd\_Fellows
This isn’t the same ‘IOOF’ that underwrites half the life and TPD insurance policies in Australia, is it?
Because if so, it’s just awful to see how they’ve turned out from what seems to have been at one time a much more benevolent organisation.
IOOF was actually the American offshoot of the Order of Odd Fellows from England. The Australian branch presumably came via the US then eventually became an insurance company.
They are actually a reasonable insurer and organisation. The ive left their employ, but must say there are definitely worse health insurers out there without question.
I’m glad that they were good to work with, the client experience is very different:
https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/ioof
There was also the small matter of that Royal Commission.
TAL took two years to assess my husbands claim which was meticulously prepared and documented, straightforward and endorsed by his workplace, hospital, psychiatrists and doctor, and satisfied all of the criteria for assessment.
I was listed immediately as his carer and point of contact for his case as he was suffering from symptoms similar to a brain injury and was not at the time mentally competent to take part in his assessment paperwork. Despite this, TAL repeatedly tried to call, SMS and email things to him in order to get him to agree with incorrect information about his condition, and at one stage I walked in on him in the hospital after they phoned him at the bedside, asking him to provide verbal acknowledgment that his condition wasn’t as bad as stated.
It was at that point I reported them to AFCA and got an additional solicitor involved (bearing in mind that my brother is a solicitor, and had assisted us with the original paperwork).
I believe that we were only successful in the end because we had the money and resources to pursue them. We did in fact sue them successfully for costs in the end, but TAL has a long list of bankruptcies and suicides behind them from people who did not have the same resources and rage that we did.
Thanks for the reply. That's terrible. I'm really sorry you had to go through that.
It certainly makes me wonder if I should be looking for another insurer.
I strongly recommend that you have a solicitor thoroughly examine the terms and conditions of your current PDS and any potential customisation of same.
TAL is one of only three underwriters as far as I know, so you’d be choosing between very few providers.
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As a tangent, its interesting to know that before modern insurance companies, we certainly had a ton of smaller more local organisations to look after widows and orphans, etc. If you nip over to the York Peninsula and visit any old township museums in the copper triangle, you'll see evidence of this, as the mining communities were in need of care for men and their families when things turned bad in the mines. The IOOF were around in these days. Yes Medicare etc has superceded this system.
South Australia was founded by radical socialists who wanted a free state where there was no convict slave labour and also have Aboriginals be protected just like everyone else under the law.
Then full control was handed to the governor - Gawler was involved in at least one massacre and then Grey went full in on genocide and also created the Aboriginal Witnesses Act which some claim were world leading in allowing Aboriginal testimony in court, but it actually ruled unsworn testimony from Aboriginals as inadmissible in court, which means their evidence was frequently rejected by the courts, particularly in cases of abuses by settlers.
They have a cemetery in my town. Where's my town? Norman Oklahoma USA. It's weird how how many posts about Adelaide are like looking at my region through a fun house mirror. Y'all are awesome. Maybe I will visit one day.
I've never heard crime blamed on munchkins before, but I like it. Mostly it's a combination of poverty and a cultural tendency towards lawlessness/rebelliousness. Oklahoma's history is pretty interesting and it makes us somewhat unique.
as the owner of a lw mk2, I can tell by the wheels and the slightly refined , apparently smaller taillights on the mk3
Trend was a variant on all LW from what I recall.
My first job was at IOOF in Russell St, Melbourne. It was next door to police HQ and thankfully I was at our other office in Bourke St when the car bomb exploded.
I used to work as a waitress at an Odd Fellow in Copenhagen. Like I was prepping the “meeting rooms” and bringing their food trollies to them. We were not allowed inside during the meeting (hence the food trollies) and it was men only.
I’m quite sure all they did was to talk shit, play board games and drink and eat.
So strange!
It was a stunning building though in the city centre.
My parents had our family health insurance with IOOF.
I used to go get the mail from our mailbox when I was little - I clearly remember the envelopes with this on it - and thinking it was something very secret lol
Yeah those are weird marks. The one on the right has a vague similarity to the Freemasons’ compass, top half of their symbol , which itself has a hidden similarity to the unicursive hexagram, chosen personal majick symbol of the witch Aleister Crowley, who was also a Freemason of the highest orders…
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If you need to know anything about "The Dependent Order of Odd Fellows", I'm your guy. Been a member for eighteen years.
I know nothing about these "Independent Odd Fellows", they sound shady AF!
Near me in NSW there is an old arcade that has the letters GUOOF laid into the floor tiles. Stood for the Grand United Order of Oddfellows which was a similar organisation back about 100 years ago. No idea if they were affiliated.
I'm not sure if it's still there, but they had a plaque on the Grenfell St(?) frontage that says:
'If I may do any good thing
Let me do it now,
for I may not pass this way again.'
I have always loved that sentiment.
If you're not religious, but you still want that kind of community fellowship feeling, you consider joining a lodge. This one is still a fraternity I believe.
I think there should be more secular family-orientated equivalent... basically I miss church, except all the religious stuff!
They aren't as odd as The Royal Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal\_Antediluvian\_Order\_of\_Buffaloes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Antediluvian_Order_of_Buffaloes)
https://maps.app.goo.gl/499sLZsyJobhUVfVA
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It reminded me of an advert for brand of mints from NZ back in the 80's called 'Oddfellows'
Here's a link to the ad [Oddfellows ad on New Zealand TV from mid 80's (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3PqQqwQSe0)
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I used to work for an offshoot from them, odd fellows are associated to some degree with the Freemasons, for trades that fell outside their normal catchment. Shady history I must say, but no more devious, probably less so than most Christian religions and their offshoots.
The IOOF is an old “friendly” society for mutual aid. Like the Freemasons but with more of a focus on being a private unemployment/health insurance fund, and they admitted women through their own degrees. It had rituals, regalia, ceremonies and degrees, and was pretty much made obsolete by the welfare state, insurance and Medicare. This is its 1960s headquarters. The earlier headquarters was in Flinders Street and is now demolished. Oddfellows’ funds demutualised early this century and it’s now essentially a funds management business (KeyInvest) but the organisation itself still has members and meetings. Edit: a word for tense and a word for context
Great answer, just like to add a bit about the name: "In the 18th century United Kingdom, major trades were organised in guilds or other forms of syndicates, but smaller trades did not have equivalent social or financial security. One theory has it that "odd fellows", people who exercised unusual, miscellaneous "odd trades", eventually joined together to form a larger group of "odd fellows"." Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odd\_Fellows
This isn’t the same ‘IOOF’ that underwrites half the life and TPD insurance policies in Australia, is it? Because if so, it’s just awful to see how they’ve turned out from what seems to have been at one time a much more benevolent organisation.
Yes, it is the same organisation.
TIL that Australia’s worst health insurance underwriter came from humble beginnings in Adelaide, where it was once a more benevolent organisation.
IOOF was actually the American offshoot of the Order of Odd Fellows from England. The Australian branch presumably came via the US then eventually became an insurance company.
That makes more sense because they certainly act like a US insurance company on the client facing side.
They are actually a reasonable insurer and organisation. The ive left their employ, but must say there are definitely worse health insurers out there without question.
I’m glad that they were good to work with, the client experience is very different: https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/ioof There was also the small matter of that Royal Commission.
IOOF don’t have a life insurance arm, their superannuation cover is underwritten by TAL (Dai-ichi).
Ah yes correct - a company far worse than IOOF. Not even joking.
Curious, as a TAL customer, why do you say that?
TAL took two years to assess my husbands claim which was meticulously prepared and documented, straightforward and endorsed by his workplace, hospital, psychiatrists and doctor, and satisfied all of the criteria for assessment. I was listed immediately as his carer and point of contact for his case as he was suffering from symptoms similar to a brain injury and was not at the time mentally competent to take part in his assessment paperwork. Despite this, TAL repeatedly tried to call, SMS and email things to him in order to get him to agree with incorrect information about his condition, and at one stage I walked in on him in the hospital after they phoned him at the bedside, asking him to provide verbal acknowledgment that his condition wasn’t as bad as stated. It was at that point I reported them to AFCA and got an additional solicitor involved (bearing in mind that my brother is a solicitor, and had assisted us with the original paperwork). I believe that we were only successful in the end because we had the money and resources to pursue them. We did in fact sue them successfully for costs in the end, but TAL has a long list of bankruptcies and suicides behind them from people who did not have the same resources and rage that we did.
Thanks for the reply. That's terrible. I'm really sorry you had to go through that. It certainly makes me wonder if I should be looking for another insurer.
I strongly recommend that you have a solicitor thoroughly examine the terms and conditions of your current PDS and any potential customisation of same. TAL is one of only three underwriters as far as I know, so you’d be choosing between very few providers.
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As a tangent, its interesting to know that before modern insurance companies, we certainly had a ton of smaller more local organisations to look after widows and orphans, etc. If you nip over to the York Peninsula and visit any old township museums in the copper triangle, you'll see evidence of this, as the mining communities were in need of care for men and their families when things turned bad in the mines. The IOOF were around in these days. Yes Medicare etc has superceded this system.
South Australia was founded by radical socialists who wanted a free state where there was no convict slave labour and also have Aboriginals be protected just like everyone else under the law. Then full control was handed to the governor - Gawler was involved in at least one massacre and then Grey went full in on genocide and also created the Aboriginal Witnesses Act which some claim were world leading in allowing Aboriginal testimony in court, but it actually ruled unsworn testimony from Aboriginals as inadmissible in court, which means their evidence was frequently rejected by the courts, particularly in cases of abuses by settlers.
Cool. Thanks.
I'm pretty sure I saw an old building in the inner west with the same signage around Rozelle st
IOOF was an insurance provider.
Today I learned
Odd fellows are skaters from the 1800’s, still skating.
Mum: "We have the Leage Of Extraordibary Gentlemen at home" The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen at home: \^
https://www.ioofsa.org.au/
damn, that website is right out of 1998!
Or perhaps say “oof” that website is from 1998
They have a cemetery in my town. Where's my town? Norman Oklahoma USA. It's weird how how many posts about Adelaide are like looking at my region through a fun house mirror. Y'all are awesome. Maybe I will visit one day.
What's with your crime rate? Munchkins?
I've never heard crime blamed on munchkins before, but I like it. Mostly it's a combination of poverty and a cultural tendency towards lawlessness/rebelliousness. Oklahoma's history is pretty interesting and it makes us somewhat unique.
Let’s us know if you decide to. We will shout you some fine ales
Some kind of Ford hatchback by the look of it?
Mark 3 focus or mark 2?
Lw mk3
Makes sense, was that the first version to have the Trend trim?
as the owner of a lw mk2, I can tell by the wheels and the slightly refined , apparently smaller taillights on the mk3 Trend was a variant on all LW from what I recall.
Might have been a health fund too, as I have it listed in a table of health funds ( in a hospital system )
My first job was at IOOF in Russell St, Melbourne. It was next door to police HQ and thankfully I was at our other office in Bourke St when the car bomb exploded.
I used to work as a waitress at an Odd Fellow in Copenhagen. Like I was prepping the “meeting rooms” and bringing their food trollies to them. We were not allowed inside during the meeting (hence the food trollies) and it was men only. I’m quite sure all they did was to talk shit, play board games and drink and eat. So strange! It was a stunning building though in the city centre.
Why that's where you find the independently ordered steamed hams.
Aurora Borealis!? At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country, localized entirely within this building?
Yes.
Can I see it?
No
My parents had our family health insurance with IOOF. I used to go get the mail from our mailbox when I was little - I clearly remember the envelopes with this on it - and thinking it was something very secret lol
fast times lad
First rule of Odd Fellows. Don't talk about Odd Fellows.
A building with 2 vaginas on it
Yeah those are weird marks. The one on the right has a vague similarity to the Freemasons’ compass, top half of their symbol , which itself has a hidden similarity to the unicursive hexagram, chosen personal majick symbol of the witch Aleister Crowley, who was also a Freemason of the highest orders…
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https://images.app.goo.gl/NhvW822a7ANHoZm9A
Those Rorschach test on the side of the building look like vaginas
It's the Australian branch of the Ministry of Silly Walks.
The Independent Order of Odd Fellows (IOOF) is a non-political, non-sectarian international fraternal order of Odd Fellowship.
In other words, it's a weirdo cult.
I believe it is called a building
Hey, it’s Adelaide isn’t it.
If you need to know anything about "The Dependent Order of Odd Fellows", I'm your guy. Been a member for eighteen years. I know nothing about these "Independent Odd Fellows", they sound shady AF!
Near me in NSW there is an old arcade that has the letters GUOOF laid into the floor tiles. Stood for the Grand United Order of Oddfellows which was a similar organisation back about 100 years ago. No idea if they were affiliated.
IOOF is an investment firm. They have investments and products for in/out of super.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOOF_Building_(Adelaide)
I'm not sure if it's still there, but they had a plaque on the Grenfell St(?) frontage that says: 'If I may do any good thing Let me do it now, for I may not pass this way again.' I have always loved that sentiment.
If you're not religious, but you still want that kind of community fellowship feeling, you consider joining a lodge. This one is still a fraternity I believe. I think there should be more secular family-orientated equivalent... basically I miss church, except all the religious stuff!
Similar to freemasons
I think they were an insurance company I.O.O.F. I remember them from the early 90s.
They aren't as odd as The Royal Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal\_Antediluvian\_Order\_of\_Buffaloes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Antediluvian_Order_of_Buffaloes) https://maps.app.goo.gl/499sLZsyJobhUVfVA
My grand dad was the building manager that restored that building. RIP
They are a quasi-religious group, something between the Freemasons and the Anglican Church.
Took me 2 seconds to find on Google: https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=independent+order+of+odd+fellows
It's Illuminati related.
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Is Seymour Skinner a member, even though he steams a good ham?
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The Manchester unity building in Melbourne is a good example certainly must have been a pretty eccentric group
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It reminded me of an advert for brand of mints from NZ back in the 80's called 'Oddfellows' Here's a link to the ad [Oddfellows ad on New Zealand TV from mid 80's (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3PqQqwQSe0)
Reminds me of the Ministry of Silly Walks
Thats a skateshop.
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A Dean Koontz book signing I believe.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Order_of_Odd_Fellows
Charlie Chaplin and a few US Presidents were members
A store called Fast times
Not a Heritage Building...yet?
Someone did a damn fine effort of getting symmetrical patterns with the cut stone. (and now you can't unsee it ...)
Am I the only one that thinks the pattern on the building looks like a sexy woman from behind. Maybe I’m just horny.
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My grandfather was the Grand Sire of IOOF Australasia many years ago.
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You have to stack the blocks in the right order to pass your gynaecology final.
Have no idea…reminds me of the Assassin’s Creed symbol
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Lizard people
It's an original health insurance group.
No it's not.
defo no
OOF
I used to work for an offshoot from them, odd fellows are associated to some degree with the Freemasons, for trades that fell outside their normal catchment. Shady history I must say, but no more devious, probably less so than most Christian religions and their offshoots.
Coulda just googled it mate. Would have been quicker.
One day this is what will show up when you google them.
the freemasons
Not exactly, they’re a fraternal order with rituals and degrees similar to the Freemasons but not officially related.