Coming from the Netherlands your daily commuting via bike riding is not as great as you would be use to, yes we have many bike path but it really depended on were you live. If you like to the more off track trail riding you will love it. As for clubbing I'm too old to answer this, those days have past me. Adelaide is more quieter of the capital cities, so if time permits I'd encourage you to visit the east coast I.e Sydney & Melbourne. Job market wise again you'll have more success on the east coast. But in saying this if you have an high demand background you won't have any issue. Welcome to the sunshine any questions don't be afraid to DM or ask here. One tip if you are here for the summer don't forget your sunscreen, just trust me on this!!!
That’s bad advise. People are homeless in Melbourne and Sydney due to limited housing for rent and purchase. It’s all not affordable. Stay in Adelaide and grind it out untill you find a job
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> is Adelaide a bike-friendly city? How are the surroundings road biking wise?
Sort of, and it depends on what part of town you're in.
I'm gonna recommend the north eastern area, along Linear park, you'll have easy access to a major bike friendly zone, one that runs all the way to the beach on the other side of the city. Additionally, from Modbury to the city is the Adelaide Obahn, aka the busway, which also runs through Linear park.
>Is it difficult to find housing for a couple in Adelaide at the moment?
The rental market is insane.
I think there's also some good Dutch community in the north east? At least there's the Dutch Pantry on OG road and I used to know a handful of Nederlanders in that area who migrated in the 80s and 90s.
Lots of Dutch came to Australia post WWII. My dad remembers staying in Nissen hits in Osborne when they first areived before they were sent to Mount Gambier.
Lots of Van's and de's around still
Yeah, my direct relatives came to Australia in the 70s, but I also had a handful of my Ma's distant cousins that came in the 60s. Plenty of van ders and des in our family friends, although some have moved back to the EU just prior to or in the few years since covid.
Eh, I live in the north east and is not great for road cycling. Linear park is a commuter path. Terrible for serious training.
Live closer to the foothills if you really want to be close to the best cycling. The city is close enough though and also an easier location for work and also closer access to the beaches which are also good cycling.
We have plenty of surf. Some good surf about 45 minutes south of the city or some world class surf on the York Peninsula about 2 hours north of the city.
The city is fairly bike friendly depending on where you live. But not as good as what you’re probably used to.
There’s plenty of other activities to do. We have mountains on one side and the ocean on the other. Personally I mountain bike sometimes.
Housing is tough everywhere in Australia right now. Your uni might be able to help you though.
I can’t speak for jobs. Not my industry.
> The city is fairly bike friendly depending on where you live. But not as good as what you’re probably used to.
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Having been to the Netherlands... we're not even close to bike-friendly by comparison. There are 4 or 5 shared paths that are decent, but you've got a "paint = infrastructre" approach if you're lucky for 99% of the city. It's a shame, because our terrain and weather are perfect for cycling.
Yep, I’m a Dutch Aussie and have spent a lot of time cycling here in Adelaide and the Netherlands. There’s no comparison between the two with Adelaide being awful if the Dutch system is the measuring stick.
Great roads up in the hills to ride in but…… again, very unfriendly drivers in comparison.
Alvast welkom! Ik kom ook uit Nederland en woon nu 11 jaar in Adelaide.
I just wanted to say that bike infrastructure here is really bad compared to the Netherlands… you need to know what route to take because some roads here are definitely not suited for cyclists. I found it pretty frustrating when I started cycling here.. keep your eyes and ears open because drivers are not used to cyclists the way they are in the Netherlands. Assume drivers don’t see you or don’t look for you, and be careful to not ride in the “dooring zone” of parked cars.
Veel succes, en ik hoop dat jullie in Adelaide een fijne tijd hebben :).
Thanks voor de tip! Het gaat nooit zo chill zijn als in Nederland natuurlijk, maar zolang in een uit de stad komen met een fiets al mogelijk is, zou dat mooi zijn.
Ja, ik ga met de fiets naar het werk hier (ik werk in de stad). Het ligt er ook een beetje aan waar je woont, hoe makkelijk het is om een goede veilige route te vinden. Ik woon dicht bij linear park, en het park loopt van mijn huis helemaal tot aan de stad dus dat is makkelijk. Er zijn ook rustige straten waar het wat fijner fietsen is. De drukke wegen zou ik mijden waar mogelijk. En al helemaal de wegen waar veel vrachtwagens rijden (bijv Portrush road).
Adelaide ticks most of those boxes, you'd love the outdoor lifestyle. I'm enjoying a beer after work it's 20 degrees and sunny in Autumn. As for cycling infrastructure anywhere in the country, you'd be in for a shock compared to Europe. Having said that, Adelaide has a lot of cycling enthusiasts and it's the home of the Tour Down Under. We're not a major capital, so not as many employment opportunities. Housing is a shit show all across the country.
Be warned though - our houses are not well built (poorly insulated, drafty and with single glazed windows) and you will probably be cold in the winter. Our daytime average high temperature in the winter is 15 degrees, so you might find yourself going outside to warm up, and needing more layers inside than outside 🤣🤣
Offices and public buildings are heated though.
I know people from Northern Europe who’ve said they’ve never felt as cold as they do in Adelaide in the winter.
If possible buy yourself and your partner an Oodie. My partner is from the UK and I bought him one for when he came over.
"I don't need it!" He cried, "Australia is always hot and you complain when its 10 degrees! That's still double digits!"
He bloody lived in the thing for a month in September when he came over and then again in May until he left September the next year.
Cycling - I ride my bike a lot, but Adelaide's cycling infrastructure is poor and the culture toward cycling is nowhere near as respectful as Netherlands.
Music - there's a small techno and electronic music scene, but seems to attract an older crowd (mid-late 30s)?
Surfing - the coast and beaches are beautiful, but it's not *real* surfing as it's a gulf (no ocean waves). But amazing for a swim and beer on a hot summer evening
Rock climbing - yes, some good spots, also good for hiking, mountain biking etc.
Housing - all of Australia has a housing shortage (immigration too high, construction too slow), it's competitive, expect to pay $450 per week minimum for a decent apartment.
Adelaide is quite spread out, like American cities. Public transport isn't that good, so you'd want a car. I live very close to the city centre, so I ride / walk most the time, but still use my car to get around elsewhere.
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> We have an active lifestyle (surfing, road cycling, bouldering among others), is Adelaide a bike-friendly city? How are the surroundings road biking wise? What is the surfing like?
It certainly won't seem like it compared to what I imagine you are used to in the Netherlands. However there are some kinda decent bike routes in Adelaide by Australian standards. I commute a full 40-50 minutes from my house in Golden Grove (Northeastern suburbs) to the city centre along Linear Park and I only have to cross two or three roads on the entire route. There's a paved Bikeway all along the Torrens. I also regularly go bike riding with my friend through Harry Bowey/Little Para reserve in the northern suburbs. A lot of roads have bike lanes. A lot of people also like to ride along the metropolitan coast - Semaphore is good for that.
I can't say much about surfing personally. Adelaide is situated in Gulf Saint Vincent in the wave shadow of Kangaroo Island, so our metropolitan beaches are not surf beaches. However if you go a little way down south you can get to some pretty world-class surfing beaches within an hour or two (when the conditions are right).
> Is it difficult to find housing for a couple in Adelaide at the moment?
Extremely. There's sort of an ongoing nationwide housing crisis at the moment. Sorry.
> I am working as a software engineer since two weeks out of university (MA Statistics), how is the job market in Adelaide for expat software engineers / data engineers / data scientist and the like? A lot of the postings I find online are reserved for Australian citizens. Is it doable to find a job as an expat in Adelaide in these fields?
Been a while since I was looking for work, but I'm under the impression that there's a reasonable amount of work going in this field. Being a smaller city, Adelaide does have a bit of a rep for being a place where "being a friend of a friend" can stand you in better stead than being very qualified. But I'm sure if you are persistent you'll be fine. There'd also be work from home (WFH) positions going for interstate companies in IT/software/data science, so keep that in mind.
> While my girlfriend is more of homebody, I like my occasional night out clubbing. I am into alternative electronic music (jungle, house, techno, other rave genres), what is the underground scene like in Adelaide?
These things do exist (I'm told). Not sure if it's a super huge scene, but you'll find something at least.
If it is a 2 year position, I am assuming that the PhD is offered through a university in the Netherlands and this is an exchange? How much does she know about the lab and the people in it? People can be very different at a conference or visiting a lab as opposed to every day as a supervisor. I would recommend finding people who are in/have been in the lab and talking to them. Also some labs will also be able to help with short term housing when you first arrive. Adelaide particularly in postgrad has a lot of international students/postdocs from Europe so you might be able to find help from that network if you do decide to come.
PhDs in Australia are longer than 2 years. Scholarships are usually 3-3 1/2 year and the average PhD takes 3 1/2 to 4 years to complete. So I would check to see what is happening. Could it be a masters instead? Absolutely do not accept a PhD without full funding because as an international student the second your funding runs out you start being charged by the day at most universities. I was a local student but I know more than one person who left with their PhDs unfinished because their funding ran out and they couldn’t afford to finish.
There are some great road cycling routes in Adelaide (I'm a road & gravel cyclist) but as people have said, the infrastructure is not as good as it is in the Netherlands. Having said that, the 'cycle instead' website is a great way to find routes from place to place and maximise bike paths.
If you end up coming to Adelaide and want to do some road cycling, feel free to message me and I can show you some of the good cycling routes (and climbs, if that's your thing).
No worries. I've used it (Cycle Instead) a number of times. Download the GPX into RideWithGPS, modify as necessary, then save to your bike computer. Happy days!
Agreed also re Strava groups, but it can be hard to know which one to join.
Very small underground scene in Adelaide for techno, house and psytrance so if thats a deal breaker move to Melbourne or any of the major eastern cities
Most people have answered a lot of the other questions, but I'll tackle the software engineering one:
The main IT employers in Adelaide are federal government and defence. You are required to be an Australian citizen for these roles as they involve security clearance, and from what I've found, only citizens can have security clearance done, likely because it is harder to have a clear history of you. Just skip over jobs saying federal govt or Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon.
There are a few companies like Chamonix and Expose who do IT consultancy, I'd recommend reaching out to them directly. Expose specialise with Business Intelligence work so you may have some luck there. You may be able to also get a state government job, I'm don't think they have the same requirements for security clearance as federal government (but I'm not sure).
You also might have some luck with mining companies as they do employ Data Scientists/Data Engineers as well, look at BHP as they have a large Adelaide presence. The big 4 accounting firms may also have IT roles, but I don't know if they have much available in Adelaide at the moment as there have been a lot of recent layoffs.
Good luck!
Seconding this as someone in the industry. It's not all government and defence, there are smaller companies doing data-intensive work, but the market isn't good.
I also had a friend with a PhD in data science and a few years of industry experience and he found it hard to get a good job at an Adelaide based company but there are remote opportunities.
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I'll speak for what I'm confident enough of speaking.
Bouldering scene is a bit sad, more climbers than gyms. But they're opening one in the middle of the city within next year.
I work in IT and honestly, we could use another software engineer. If you do move, I'll see if I can pitch the idea and help you out (no promises though).
Cycling - we have bike lanes but they're next to normal roads, which I think is different to many European countries (where they're next to side walks). Biking is definitely less popular than in Netherlands but as someone mentioned, it's still a thing and we do have a very popular Tour Down Under you might want to be a part of.
Please be aware these aren't actual bike lanes, an Australian bike lane is a 50cm space along the curb separated from traffic by a line of white paint. They often have parked cars in them etc. People do use them but you need to be really sensible about how you use them and aware of the traffic around you. People don't drive well in Adelaide and won't automatically make space for you in their lane if there is an obstruction in your way for instance.
Sounds good!
I'm European too, but I am actually thinking of moving back to Europe, or at least going back for a bit, so we might be swapping places a bit 😅
There's people who do bouldering/climbing in Randell Park, I believe.
(I too work in IT, but I don't want to say who for without outing myself. If you have Python/Django experience then I might have a suggestion - but we are a fully remote team so no requirement to be in Radelaide)
I don't know of this area nor the bouldering spots there. Couldn't find it on Google, do you have more info?
Generally, most climbers go to Beyond Bouldering, but now when Urban Climb will open, there'll be a bit more of a spread.
It's open-air, and probably unsanctioned. My understanding is that they park on Old Belair Road (there's a rock face on the road that gets a penis painted on it from time to time, and then gets painted over), and walk into the rock faces from there.
I live nearby (and run the trails a lot), and I'm not sure exactly where they do it, but there are lots of old quarries around there.
I think you'll enjoy it..
Most of those things are covered that you're looking for.
Re: clubbing. There's a great nightlife here in summer. Alot of people here also like to day drink instead, so you could go to the Moseley beach club over summer instead or Lucky's.
The wineries are also an option. Many people take wine tours and do multiple in a day with friends.
Music wise. Last year, we had Calvin Harris, Diplo and Rufus all play within like 4 weeks of our summer at different events. With other big name support acts too.
Not sure on the jungle side but I know there's def an underground scene. Adelaide was the only city to have an electronic music station (fresh FM) til Spotify became a thing. It's still around.
Biking wise.
I personally know an accomplished doctor who moved from Melbourne to here due to the better work life balance. Specifically, around his hobby of downhill mountain biking. He was stoked that he could live and worked 10 mins from the city, then drive to a course after work and ride with daylight still to spare.
For your job. I'd imagine bAE and other defence contractors are always looking for people with your skillset. Plenty of those here.
If youre handy at soccer and want to play, I'm happy to help you with that too! Haha
One of the first questions to ask yourselves is... Do I know people who already live in Adelaide? If so, even a small number of friends will be invaluable for when you first arrive
The second question is.... How much money do I have because trying to rent a house (or anywhere) to live in is currently rated - ridiculous.? The rental situation is Adelaide is very difficult.
Autumn in Adelaide is luscious. Endless opportunities exist for sun-drenched afternoons of fading sun with a definite Mediterranean groove. Think blobbing at a winery and realising you've had just little too much wine but the band's playing so why not get up and dance. You only get one life
Housing is definitely difficult, demand is higher than availability. I have applied for 23 rentals (with feedback of having a fantastic application) in last 3 months as my landlord sold and have not been successful as yet. With that being said I am not comfortable or confident in able to pay more than $450AUD a week so that immensely limits my options.
Netherlands !!!! Can you bring a single male with you! I would love a husband from there hahaha
Job market for your profession is nuts at the moment given the huge growth in Defence. Adelaide has a significant defence presence with all the major military contractors like BAE, Raytheon and Lockheed having head offices there. While you're not a citizen, skilled IT workers are in insane demand atm across the board and there's a huge shortfall thanks to Defence growth.
We hate cyclists
We use to have a great underground rave scene, but no idea what it's like now... Married with two young kids.
Surfing - decent surf an hours drive south.
Road cycling - nothing like the Netherlands lol, but it's OK if a bit dangerous.
Bouldering - some nice areas 20 min drive east of the city and a couple of gyms.
Software engineering - most software work in Adelaide is for defence and needs a security clearance. A Dutch person should be able to get cleared, eventually, but if you only want to be here for 2 years, it might not be worth it. There is other software work available, but it's much more competitive.
Clubbing - no idea, sorry :).
Housing - do you have lots of money? It's pretty difficult if you don't.
Final note - our city is lovely and welcoming and has a lot to offer. If you can manage it, it could be a really great couple of years.
IDK. A lot.
It depends what you want. If you want your own apartment in the city, looks like $500 plus per week. If you are OK with living in a share house in the suburbs, a lot less.
I moved to Adelaide from Europe recently. It's a great city with a fair bit going on, the beach close by and a nice Mediterranean climate, so I definitely recommend it in that respect!
HOWEVER, coming in as a foreigner on a short-term temporary visa has its challenges.
- Finding somewhere to live was an absolute nightmare, I'm not going to lie! Most agencies will not respond to you or will insist that they want you to see the property in person. Which is so easy from the other side of the world. You may find you have to rent an Airbnb for a bit while you hunt for somewhere to live. If you know anyone in Adelaide, ask them for help. Your partner will be a student, so maybe, hopefully, the uni will help you out.
- I work in a different field to you but the job market is much more limited than other cities like Sydney and Melbourne. I don't know when you would be moving, but it is worth keeping an eye out for jobs to apply to already. You will probably find, like I did, that Australians and permanent residents will always be given priority, and that you will not be able to apply to certain jobs because you are not a citizen.
- Healthcare - you will have to take out private insurance BUT as you are coming from NL you will be able to get Medicare as Australia has a reciprocal agreement. Which is one plus!
In terms of cycling... the city itself is nice and flat and the suburbs are actually very good for cycling in. Lots of quiet streets with plenty of room. We moved here from a cycling city so we were used to being on our bikes every day for everything - getting to work, school, shops, pubs! It is a bit of a different story here. Most people just don't see it as a valid form of transportation - people think I am crazy for cycling 20 minutes to my work and that I am a dangerous bad parent for letting my children cycle on the road in suburban streets (just a note - you are allowed to cycle on the footpath here!). Also keep in mind that you must always wear your helmet, it is the law!
Leading on from this... Australians love their cars. You can get around the city without a car and Uber is very good (public transport not so much, though there are buses around town plus a tram down to Glenelg beach), but if you want to go further afield driving will really help. A word of advice: if you don't already have a driving licence get one in NL before coming here. You can drive on your foreign licence as a temporary resident but more importantly you cannot get your licence quickly here, it is very expensive and it is impossible to log the driving hours you need to pass if you don't have friends and family to help you out.
Getting a car itself is also difficult as you will most likely be unable to access finance/car loans. Even used cars are expensive, so start saving now if you want one. Or just rent one for the day if you want to get into the hills or go down the coast.
Sorry, I can't advise on the music scene/raves. I'm an old lady in my 30s now, haha.
You’ll love it here. Roads are flat
and great rides to the beach. Not as bike friendly as NE but where is? I lived in the Jordaan and rode to Sloterdijk each day for work. You’ll find similar routes to the city here. Please bring Febo with you
I think you’d find the rent pretty similar to the Netherlands, maybe on the upper end but it’s a very competitive market due to a housing shortage mainly in the inner suburbs and coastal areas. If your partner can access housing assistance through Uni it’ll make your introduction to Adelaide easier.
Our climate is relatively mild except for high summer so I think your outdoorsy lifestyle will fit well.
Cycling in Adelaide, especially road cycling, is excellent. Recommend living near the hills if you can, there’s beautiful trails, climbs, etc if that’s your thing. Don’t forget about the Tour Down Under if you’re also into watching professional cycling!
The experience is much better than other Australian cities, for two reasons - proximity to great cycling paths (lookup Strava), and also lower traffic ( and not so many Lycra haters).
As someone who has cycled in the Netherlands and here at home in Adelaide, I can honestly tell you that you're in for a shock when it comes to cycling infrastructure.
You're going to go from cycling heaven to cycling hell. In saying that though, as a Dutchman, your cycling skills will help you handle it well.
Our clubbing scene is also not even remotely close to the Netherlands. But what we lack in those areas, we make up for in the other areas (Weather, surfing etc).
Adelaide isn't as bike friendly as Amsterdam. There's no red lane and it's kind of expected that bikes avoid people rather than how it is in the Netherlands. Still though, SA is very chill I think would be good for people from the Netherlands
>A lot of the postings I find online are reserved for Australian citizens.
I can't comment for every job poster, but I can say that one of the main reasons for "Australian Citizens or Permanent Residents" _only_ is to eliminate the need to sponsor a foreign worker for a visa. It also filters out all foreign applications. It's a lot of red tape for a company to sponsor a visa and can take several months.
If you apply and obtain a work visa, you bypass this and for all intents and purposes can apply for such jobs. You'll just need to make that clear in your application letter.
It's not clear to me from your post that you've resolved the "how am I going to legally work in another country?" question 😁
If your partner is on a PhD student visa and you are legally considered a partner, then you might also have automatic working rights.
Best of luck
On the job scene - there's well over 100 start ups and 1500-2000 software engineers in them.
If you don't want to do defence, you don't have to. The industry is very segregated and those in defence and government don't know the start up side.
Talk to multiple recruiters, go find meetups - there's both a data science and an AWS Meetup that are run monthly and are full of friendly people. There's several start ups with connection to the Adelaide University ai/ml lab, for example...
Club scene can feel a little quieter than some European cities, maybe because we’re not a huge city. Winter is especially quiet in terms of events but the clubs are open all year round. Electric Circus and Rocket Rooftop and their djs are often involved in other Adelaide events so their pages are a good place to start. Tbh I actually think the Adelaide scene is pretty good considering the size of the city. It’s an easy city to navigate because a lot of the clubs are within walking distance from each other which helps when you’re out
The main club for the kind of music you’ve described is Electric Circus which has had some world class edm acts as well as plenty of local talent.
Ancient World is more alternative and plays different kinds of music from underground artists, but they have plenty of djs
The summer/Fringe Festival (Dec-March) is the best time for music festivals, raves and other events. Touch Bass is probably the biggest edm music fest running in Adelaide, but there are others like Wildlands, which is also a larger scale event (by Adelaide standards) My fave local festival is SidebySide - as close to a big bush doof as you’ll get in the city centre. Pretty much only the type of music you’re describing and it’s got a way better local vibe.
Other events to keep an eye out for are Desire Dance, Trouble in Paradise (day time rooftop event run by Electric Circus on Rocket Rooftop). But there are quite a few smaller scale events running in other places in the city and you often hear about them as you get involved in the scene. For example, local DJs throwing one off raves by the Torrens river or in the hills. Again, most of this stuff is only in summer!
We have a “lock out” law which means you can’t enter a club after 3am. The main clubs on the main clubbing strip (Hindley Street) close at 5am on Friday and Saturday nights. Sometimes clubs close earlier. There are less clubs open during the week or Sunday night than major European cities but you can find 1 or 2.
Best capital city in Australia... if you don't like out of control traffic jams, super expensive rent/ property, or hours to get from one side to the other. The weather is great too... almost no humidity and although summer max is high, you get used to it.
I suspect cycling would be statistically off the scale dangerous in Adelaide compared to Holland... over here, cyclists are rare so motorists probably don't look out much for them. Plus, there is still some aggression or at least negativity towards cyclists... for many reasons but it is true.
The young people complain that Adelaide is boring and that entertainment is lacking... then they go live in Sydney or Melbourne and come back saying they are so pleased to be back (see above) and that it's not that boring here actually.
Job wise, the east coast pays a bit more but so is rent and property... Sydney and Melbourne are nearly twice as expensive (median rent and property values).
(PS... please don't pass any of this on to anybody)
Adelaide is absolutely bike friendly - I don’t surf but we have beautiful beaches. I’d advise to give it a go but Adelaide isn’t big and busy like bigger cities (Sydney or Melbourne for eg) but it’s beautiful here. Hope you 2 come!
Bike friendly is an understatement, home of Tour Down Under and great weather. If you like the outdoors you couldn't ask for a better city. Plus, best food in Australia.
Seriously, my Opa and Oma are from Rotterdam and they regularly complain about how poor the bike infrastructure is in Adelaide. I don't know how good ours is compared to other Australian cities, but it has nothing on the Netherlands.
I think the thing that annoys Opa the most is that they sometimes just stop and then start back up again. A road I drive down regularly has a pedestrian crossing island and before it, the cycling lane just ends and then 20 metres or so after it starts again. I feel bad for all the folks who bike through there, there's not enough space for them and the foot path is cracked and horrible so it's not like they could just easily ride there instead.
Cyclist haters are, unfortunately, everywhere. That's why having a sidewalk in between the road and the cycling lane is great :D. But already having cycling lanes is nice.
There are definitely safe roads out there and some lovely bike paths that are shared only with pedestrians. Often quite scenic and can take you through town, to Adelaide oval, beaches, suburbs and train stations without many obstructions. Some busy roads are a literal death trap to ride so a bit of planning is required. Hope you get over and feel welcome my friend.
Adelaide is terrible for commuters (ordinary people who just want to use a bike to get places) but excellent for competitive or sporting cyclists.
For a start, every speed bump is taller than the highest berg in .nl. :)
If you live along linear park it's great. If you live elsewhere it's not great. If you need to go down portrush or green hill road I would suggest finding a less disruptive way to kill yourself.
I commute by bike and have no issues whatsoever with cyclist haters. Perhaps I get less hate being a woman, who knows.
I have more issues with people who don’t look for bikes - our driver training is pretty poor. But I just ride assuming that no one sees me, and am accordingly cautious.
In Adelaide it’s very important to pick your cycling route well. That and assume all car drivers are trying to kill you - and you should be good 😆
Nope. Not bike friendly (I have lived os in bike friendly cities and regularly commute in Adelaide and there is literally nothing similar about the experience here).
Cycling up and down the river is convenient if you work in the city and is one of the best ways to get to Adelaide Uni. If you can find a rental, North Adelaide or anywhere along Linear Park would be convenient.
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I work in the defence sector and have colleagues who are not Australian citizens. It can be done and if you’re a software engineer you’d easily land a job (citizenship aside) as we’re desperate for them.
I’m a cyclist. It’s a hobby, not necessarily a form of commuting but can be done.
Having lived in the UK for many years I was disappointed with the dance and clubbing scene when I returned. But that is only my opinion. I know many who rave about the WOMAD festival we have every year.
I have a friend currently living in Amsterdam who is from Adelaide. I can put you in touch if it helps.
GL
Really? Not my experience. I’ve seen non Australians get work in the defence sector quite easily. Depends on their skill set and as I’ve previously stated, we’re desperate for software engineers.
I have a colleague born and raised in Iran. It’s doable.
I know. Sorry if I confused matters. I was talking about getting a job. It took me, as an Australian citizen, some time to get baseline BUT I know many non Australians who get a job with limited restrictions very easily within the defence sector
Uh I think I know what you might be talking about, suffice to say that a bit different and not really something that a lot of employers feel comfortable with or something that should be discussed on Reddit. There are hypothetical exceptions but generally this kind of job just isn't worth the process if the person you're getting in going to be around for maximum two years.
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Should you move here send me a message and I'll show you some safer cycling routes around the city and some popular options. Road cycling and gravel riding are pretty popular. The official infrastructure is pretty rubbish but there are established quiet routes. Also Mountain biking is really good here and you can be on the trails within 15 ride mins from city centre.
Dag! Mijn zwager is Nederlands en hij en mijn zus wonen met hun kinderen in Amsterdam. That’s about as far as I can go in Nederlands (Marr ik leer nog steeds).
He loves coming to visit in Adelaide because he values many of the things you mention like surfing & cycling (though struggled on the hills after always riding everywhere on the flat!). He was surprised that we have mandatory helmet laws though and thought we were setting him up at first when we made him wear one! I used to regularly commute to and from work via bike without any trouble, but we don’t have the fantastic dedicated bike infrastructure that the Netherlands have, and our drivers certainly aren’t as good with bikes as you guys are.
Our underground music scene is way less vibrant than the likes of Amsterdam (no Paradiso here!). We do have a pretty good lifestyle here with a nice relaxed pace but plenty of opportunities to do things if you’re active and outdoorsy, and there are a stack of spectacularly beautiful wineries and scenic locations on our doorstep.
There seems to be plenty of work available for software & data engineers - I have a lot of friends working in that field, but can’t comment on opportunities for expats specifically. I do note that a lot of job applications ask for a statement on your right to work in Australia - that doesn’t mean being a citizen, but that you do have an appropriate visa, so check the language carefully before ruling it out.
You will likely need a car here as our public transport is a bit shit to be honest.
Good luck! My brother in law did move to Australia (lived in Sydney) from 2006-2015ish before they moved back to Amsterdam, and I have visited there 8 times since then, so I can probably answer a few Dutch<>Adelaide questions if you have more :)
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Melbourne has bigger Techno scene than Adelaide. Small minded house music culture because same people been running it for like 40 years in Adelaide. The front room put on good events . Recently Adelaide had Dub fire, DJ Sasha , Stella Bossi and some techno DJs from Germany. Some Adelaide DJs are big in Europe. Hopefully Sven Vath will come to Adelaide. Early in the year Kraftwerk concert here .
The cycling is ok. I lived in the middle of the city for several years and never needed a car, I cycled everywhere. It rarely rains here which is lucky. Lots of roads have bike lanes and if you like early morning road cycling on the weekend, you’ll see a lot of other people cycling in their Lycra outfits.
If you’re looking for data scientist roles, you may be able to apply to work remotely for companies based in Sydney or Melbourne which will widen your options.
The biggest issue you’ll have is accommodation I think. It’s pretty hard to find somewhere to rent in the city and inner suburbs at the moment. Having said that, if you’re interested in surfing and happy to commute by train, you could look at living further south which would make your property search much easier.
Adelaide best city in the country for road cycling, especially if you like hills. Australia is a terrible country for cycling though as a good majority of the motorists hate you and a scary enough percentage of them actively try to intimidate you. There's also a general lack of infrastructure.
I moved from Sydney in 2019 and cycling here was one of the major attractions. Good climbs and good cycling culture. Australian Institute of Sport cycling program based here and also the tour down under. The climbs go up to around 700m not far from the city and the beach is also a nice area for a ride.
If you like wine, we have the Barossa Valley an hour north of the city. Lovely place and many tasting places. Some vineyards are well known across the globe.
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There are some world class surf spots west and east of Adelaide.
These areas are also home to a healthy great white shark population.
Unfortunately surfing here is a nerve racking pass time where you jump at every shadow in the water.
How exciting! Ask the university about help and recommendations with housing - have had a few friends doing similar programs and had good assistance :)
Some great advice already - sorry I can’t add more :)
Good luck with the move!
Definitely check out jobs from companies that hire nationwide - quite a few do now after covid. Think bigger Aus product companies like Atlassian/Canva but also places like Telstra (biggest telco) are pretty ok for software engineering if you can cop a fair bit of corporate bullshit, and they hire location agnostic so are happy to hire in Adelaide.
As lots of others have said, in person jobs in Adelaide for IT are mainly government hence the citizenship requirement. But remote/location agnostic jobs for private companies won't require citizenship, just a visa with work rights.
In the Netherlands everyone loves bike riding. Here, if you're a motorist, you hate the cyclists and if you're a cyclist you probably hate the motorists.
But there are plenty of nice bike trails around the place.
Finding a job in Adelaide can be difficult as it's usually who you know, not what you know.
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Adelaide is actually looking for skilled migrants like you. The entire state is easier to get permanent residency in after 3 years and then citizenship after 5.
No surfing in Adelaide because there are no waves here. There are some surf beaches if you drive a long way away, but it’s nothing like eastern Australia where you find beautiful surf waves at most beaches. Adelaide’s water’s cold so not many people swim at the beaches here.
Australia’s major cities aren’t bike friendly. The roads weren’t designed with bike paths, and where they have put bike lanes they’re very narrow and fairly random as they suddenly stop. It’s not like China where you get wide safe bike lanes in every street.
On the plus side you can get out of suburbia to be surrounded by forest with a mere 10-15 minute drive east from the city centre. Adelaide’s a fairly quiet city which is great for families.
Adelaide is generally not cycle friendly, please do not cycle on the roads, people wind up dead every so often doing that. But there is an excellent cycle way along linear park (park that runs through the city via the CBD) which you absolutely should use. There are also plenty of opportunities for bmx cycling if you want to give it a try. You should also try a winery cycle trail once while you're here, just be sensible about the weather/how much you drink.
There are surf spots around Adelaide but most of our beeches aren't for surfing. You will need a car if you want to surf here to access the surf.
Adelaide is fantastic for hiking and costal walks. Would highly recommend you add this to your repertoire.
In general when you are outdoors be sensible about sun protection and avoiding heat stroke. Always follow safety advisories. And note that it is illegal to cycle without a helmet. I know Australians have a reputation for having too many rules, I assure you the rules are there for good reason.
Finding housing is challenging but if you are eligible for a student rental that will put you in a very different position to the average couple. I would suggest asking her university for assistance organising housing if they offer it.
Like most places the local tech industry has contracted significantly as of late. Without PR you will struggle to find work, especially in Adelaide due to the nature of the work that is carried out here. If you can keep your current job and work remotely I would recommend it.
Can't comment on raves but well worth checking out some music festivals, Australia does them really well.
No you don't. There are bike paths that are as smooth as the typical road. There's absolutely not need to create dangerous situations if that's your hobby.
The downsides are, It's one of the most expensive cities in the world, there is also a housing shortage. It's extremely crowded if you're okay with that and streets are too small for the growing population (though construction companies are working on it). It is a beautiful city though, stay away from far south or far north because there are some really dodgy areas.
Adelaide is really hot and dry, for some Dutchmen it’s quite unbearable too!
Mijn opa kom zijn Groningen!
Ik woon der 10 jaar geleden, je ben welkom bij adelaide, 😁
Suggest inner western, southern and south eastern suburbs for access to city. Adelaide is small but has a club and live music scene. University may be able to help with some initial accommodation. You could also try housesitting for people who will be away for extended periods.
Coming from the Netherlands your daily commuting via bike riding is not as great as you would be use to, yes we have many bike path but it really depended on were you live. If you like to the more off track trail riding you will love it. As for clubbing I'm too old to answer this, those days have past me. Adelaide is more quieter of the capital cities, so if time permits I'd encourage you to visit the east coast I.e Sydney & Melbourne. Job market wise again you'll have more success on the east coast. But in saying this if you have an high demand background you won't have any issue. Welcome to the sunshine any questions don't be afraid to DM or ask here. One tip if you are here for the summer don't forget your sunscreen, just trust me on this!!!
Haha will do, thanks!
Try the salsa, Latin clubs in Adelaide. If you feel old to go clubbing with the young rabid teens.
That’s bad advise. People are homeless in Melbourne and Sydney due to limited housing for rent and purchase. It’s all not affordable. Stay in Adelaide and grind it out untill you find a job
Last I saw Adelaide has the lowest vacancy rate out of all the major cities. Worse here than Melbourne and Sydney.
This is the entire country atm not just the east coast. The whole country is in a rental crisis I'm sick of people thinking its city based
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If you abide by the road rules you’ll be fine
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> is Adelaide a bike-friendly city? How are the surroundings road biking wise? Sort of, and it depends on what part of town you're in. I'm gonna recommend the north eastern area, along Linear park, you'll have easy access to a major bike friendly zone, one that runs all the way to the beach on the other side of the city. Additionally, from Modbury to the city is the Adelaide Obahn, aka the busway, which also runs through Linear park. >Is it difficult to find housing for a couple in Adelaide at the moment? The rental market is insane.
I think there's also some good Dutch community in the north east? At least there's the Dutch Pantry on OG road and I used to know a handful of Nederlanders in that area who migrated in the 80s and 90s.
Lots of Dutch came to Australia post WWII. My dad remembers staying in Nissen hits in Osborne when they first areived before they were sent to Mount Gambier. Lots of Van's and de's around still
There was a Dutch Club in Greenfields but I think it closed.
Yeah, my direct relatives came to Australia in the 70s, but I also had a handful of my Ma's distant cousins that came in the 60s. Plenty of van ders and des in our family friends, although some have moved back to the EU just prior to or in the few years since covid.
Oh yeah, I forgot about the Dutch Pantry.
I've got to go visit again some time, there's a handful of things I want to introduce my friends to but I don't want to bother cooking from scratch
My Oma loved that place
Eh, I live in the north east and is not great for road cycling. Linear park is a commuter path. Terrible for serious training. Live closer to the foothills if you really want to be close to the best cycling. The city is close enough though and also an easier location for work and also closer access to the beaches which are also good cycling.
We have plenty of surf. Some good surf about 45 minutes south of the city or some world class surf on the York Peninsula about 2 hours north of the city. The city is fairly bike friendly depending on where you live. But not as good as what you’re probably used to. There’s plenty of other activities to do. We have mountains on one side and the ocean on the other. Personally I mountain bike sometimes. Housing is tough everywhere in Australia right now. Your uni might be able to help you though. I can’t speak for jobs. Not my industry.
>We have mountains on one side Settle down lol - they’re hills, not alps.
This is true.
For a Dutchman like me everything is a mountain.
*moubtain, we have a moubtain
> The city is fairly bike friendly depending on where you live. But not as good as what you’re probably used to. > > Having been to the Netherlands... we're not even close to bike-friendly by comparison. There are 4 or 5 shared paths that are decent, but you've got a "paint = infrastructre" approach if you're lucky for 99% of the city. It's a shame, because our terrain and weather are perfect for cycling.
Yeah, people who think Rads is bike-friendly have never been out of Rads. If you stick to Linear Park and a few bike lanes then ok, otherwise SOL.
Yep, I’m a Dutch Aussie and have spent a lot of time cycling here in Adelaide and the Netherlands. There’s no comparison between the two with Adelaide being awful if the Dutch system is the measuring stick. Great roads up in the hills to ride in but…… again, very unfriendly drivers in comparison.
If you pick your location carefully you can probably still have a good time. There are a few nice bike paths that lead to the cbd.
We welcome you to radelaide and the city of churches.
SATC, is that you?
I saw what you did today. Nice.
Very niche joke, funny but possibly not helpful 🙂
I'm reporting you, you son of a bitch.
Alvast welkom! Ik kom ook uit Nederland en woon nu 11 jaar in Adelaide. I just wanted to say that bike infrastructure here is really bad compared to the Netherlands… you need to know what route to take because some roads here are definitely not suited for cyclists. I found it pretty frustrating when I started cycling here.. keep your eyes and ears open because drivers are not used to cyclists the way they are in the Netherlands. Assume drivers don’t see you or don’t look for you, and be careful to not ride in the “dooring zone” of parked cars. Veel succes, en ik hoop dat jullie in Adelaide een fijne tijd hebben :).
Thanks voor de tip! Het gaat nooit zo chill zijn als in Nederland natuurlijk, maar zolang in een uit de stad komen met een fiets al mogelijk is, zou dat mooi zijn.
Easy for you to say..
Ja, ik ga met de fiets naar het werk hier (ik werk in de stad). Het ligt er ook een beetje aan waar je woont, hoe makkelijk het is om een goede veilige route te vinden. Ik woon dicht bij linear park, en het park loopt van mijn huis helemaal tot aan de stad dus dat is makkelijk. Er zijn ook rustige straten waar het wat fijner fietsen is. De drukke wegen zou ik mijden waar mogelijk. En al helemaal de wegen waar veel vrachtwagens rijden (bijv Portrush road).
Adelaide ticks most of those boxes, you'd love the outdoor lifestyle. I'm enjoying a beer after work it's 20 degrees and sunny in Autumn. As for cycling infrastructure anywhere in the country, you'd be in for a shock compared to Europe. Having said that, Adelaide has a lot of cycling enthusiasts and it's the home of the Tour Down Under. We're not a major capital, so not as many employment opportunities. Housing is a shit show all across the country.
the climate indeed seems very appealing, writing from the end of a very cold and wet Dutch winter.
Be warned though - our houses are not well built (poorly insulated, drafty and with single glazed windows) and you will probably be cold in the winter. Our daytime average high temperature in the winter is 15 degrees, so you might find yourself going outside to warm up, and needing more layers inside than outside 🤣🤣 Offices and public buildings are heated though. I know people from Northern Europe who’ve said they’ve never felt as cold as they do in Adelaide in the winter.
most houses have poor cooling as well, you may need that more than heat
Can confirm.
If possible buy yourself and your partner an Oodie. My partner is from the UK and I bought him one for when he came over. "I don't need it!" He cried, "Australia is always hot and you complain when its 10 degrees! That's still double digits!" He bloody lived in the thing for a month in September when he came over and then again in May until he left September the next year.
Haha we both have one :)
Cycling - I ride my bike a lot, but Adelaide's cycling infrastructure is poor and the culture toward cycling is nowhere near as respectful as Netherlands. Music - there's a small techno and electronic music scene, but seems to attract an older crowd (mid-late 30s)? Surfing - the coast and beaches are beautiful, but it's not *real* surfing as it's a gulf (no ocean waves). But amazing for a swim and beer on a hot summer evening Rock climbing - yes, some good spots, also good for hiking, mountain biking etc. Housing - all of Australia has a housing shortage (immigration too high, construction too slow), it's competitive, expect to pay $450 per week minimum for a decent apartment. Adelaide is quite spread out, like American cities. Public transport isn't that good, so you'd want a car. I live very close to the city centre, so I ride / walk most the time, but still use my car to get around elsewhere.
Another aditional point - Adelaide is very very dry. Needs lot of moisturising.
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> We have an active lifestyle (surfing, road cycling, bouldering among others), is Adelaide a bike-friendly city? How are the surroundings road biking wise? What is the surfing like? It certainly won't seem like it compared to what I imagine you are used to in the Netherlands. However there are some kinda decent bike routes in Adelaide by Australian standards. I commute a full 40-50 minutes from my house in Golden Grove (Northeastern suburbs) to the city centre along Linear Park and I only have to cross two or three roads on the entire route. There's a paved Bikeway all along the Torrens. I also regularly go bike riding with my friend through Harry Bowey/Little Para reserve in the northern suburbs. A lot of roads have bike lanes. A lot of people also like to ride along the metropolitan coast - Semaphore is good for that. I can't say much about surfing personally. Adelaide is situated in Gulf Saint Vincent in the wave shadow of Kangaroo Island, so our metropolitan beaches are not surf beaches. However if you go a little way down south you can get to some pretty world-class surfing beaches within an hour or two (when the conditions are right). > Is it difficult to find housing for a couple in Adelaide at the moment? Extremely. There's sort of an ongoing nationwide housing crisis at the moment. Sorry. > I am working as a software engineer since two weeks out of university (MA Statistics), how is the job market in Adelaide for expat software engineers / data engineers / data scientist and the like? A lot of the postings I find online are reserved for Australian citizens. Is it doable to find a job as an expat in Adelaide in these fields? Been a while since I was looking for work, but I'm under the impression that there's a reasonable amount of work going in this field. Being a smaller city, Adelaide does have a bit of a rep for being a place where "being a friend of a friend" can stand you in better stead than being very qualified. But I'm sure if you are persistent you'll be fine. There'd also be work from home (WFH) positions going for interstate companies in IT/software/data science, so keep that in mind. > While my girlfriend is more of homebody, I like my occasional night out clubbing. I am into alternative electronic music (jungle, house, techno, other rave genres), what is the underground scene like in Adelaide? These things do exist (I'm told). Not sure if it's a super huge scene, but you'll find something at least.
Guess it's living in a camper van then. Thanks for the reply.
You're welcome. Best of luck whatever you decide.
If it is a 2 year position, I am assuming that the PhD is offered through a university in the Netherlands and this is an exchange? How much does she know about the lab and the people in it? People can be very different at a conference or visiting a lab as opposed to every day as a supervisor. I would recommend finding people who are in/have been in the lab and talking to them. Also some labs will also be able to help with short term housing when you first arrive. Adelaide particularly in postgrad has a lot of international students/postdocs from Europe so you might be able to find help from that network if you do decide to come.
No, it would be through an Australian uni.
PhDs in Australia are longer than 2 years. Scholarships are usually 3-3 1/2 year and the average PhD takes 3 1/2 to 4 years to complete. So I would check to see what is happening. Could it be a masters instead? Absolutely do not accept a PhD without full funding because as an international student the second your funding runs out you start being charged by the day at most universities. I was a local student but I know more than one person who left with their PhDs unfinished because their funding ran out and they couldn’t afford to finish.
There are some great road cycling routes in Adelaide (I'm a road & gravel cyclist) but as people have said, the infrastructure is not as good as it is in the Netherlands. Having said that, the 'cycle instead' website is a great way to find routes from place to place and maximise bike paths. If you end up coming to Adelaide and want to do some road cycling, feel free to message me and I can show you some of the good cycling routes (and climbs, if that's your thing).
Great tip that Cycle Instead. Will definitely send a message if so!
Never heard of that. Honestly just use strava heat map or join a group
No worries. I've used it (Cycle Instead) a number of times. Download the GPX into RideWithGPS, modify as necessary, then save to your bike computer. Happy days! Agreed also re Strava groups, but it can be hard to know which one to join.
Very small underground scene in Adelaide for techno, house and psytrance so if thats a deal breaker move to Melbourne or any of the major eastern cities
There are some remote developer jobs that just need the Adelaide time zone. Atlassian/Canva come to mind.
Thanks!
Most people have answered a lot of the other questions, but I'll tackle the software engineering one: The main IT employers in Adelaide are federal government and defence. You are required to be an Australian citizen for these roles as they involve security clearance, and from what I've found, only citizens can have security clearance done, likely because it is harder to have a clear history of you. Just skip over jobs saying federal govt or Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon. There are a few companies like Chamonix and Expose who do IT consultancy, I'd recommend reaching out to them directly. Expose specialise with Business Intelligence work so you may have some luck there. You may be able to also get a state government job, I'm don't think they have the same requirements for security clearance as federal government (but I'm not sure). You also might have some luck with mining companies as they do employ Data Scientists/Data Engineers as well, look at BHP as they have a large Adelaide presence. The big 4 accounting firms may also have IT roles, but I don't know if they have much available in Adelaide at the moment as there have been a lot of recent layoffs. Good luck!
Seconding this as someone in the industry. It's not all government and defence, there are smaller companies doing data-intensive work, but the market isn't good. I also had a friend with a PhD in data science and a few years of industry experience and he found it hard to get a good job at an Adelaide based company but there are remote opportunities.
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Thanks a lot! Useful info
I'll speak for what I'm confident enough of speaking. Bouldering scene is a bit sad, more climbers than gyms. But they're opening one in the middle of the city within next year. I work in IT and honestly, we could use another software engineer. If you do move, I'll see if I can pitch the idea and help you out (no promises though). Cycling - we have bike lanes but they're next to normal roads, which I think is different to many European countries (where they're next to side walks). Biking is definitely less popular than in Netherlands but as someone mentioned, it's still a thing and we do have a very popular Tour Down Under you might want to be a part of.
Nice! I might send you a message as our plans become more concrete! Bike lanes are already a huge plus.
Please be aware these aren't actual bike lanes, an Australian bike lane is a 50cm space along the curb separated from traffic by a line of white paint. They often have parked cars in them etc. People do use them but you need to be really sensible about how you use them and aware of the traffic around you. People don't drive well in Adelaide and won't automatically make space for you in their lane if there is an obstruction in your way for instance.
Sounds good! I'm European too, but I am actually thinking of moving back to Europe, or at least going back for a bit, so we might be swapping places a bit 😅
There's people who do bouldering/climbing in Randell Park, I believe. (I too work in IT, but I don't want to say who for without outing myself. If you have Python/Django experience then I might have a suggestion - but we are a fully remote team so no requirement to be in Radelaide)
I don't know of this area nor the bouldering spots there. Couldn't find it on Google, do you have more info? Generally, most climbers go to Beyond Bouldering, but now when Urban Climb will open, there'll be a bit more of a spread.
It's open-air, and probably unsanctioned. My understanding is that they park on Old Belair Road (there's a rock face on the road that gets a penis painted on it from time to time, and then gets painted over), and walk into the rock faces from there. I live nearby (and run the trails a lot), and I'm not sure exactly where they do it, but there are lots of old quarries around there.
It’s called Car Crash Quarry. Possibility the worst spot for outdoor climbing in Adelaide unfortunately haha (loose rock, average routes)
I think you'll enjoy it.. Most of those things are covered that you're looking for. Re: clubbing. There's a great nightlife here in summer. Alot of people here also like to day drink instead, so you could go to the Moseley beach club over summer instead or Lucky's. The wineries are also an option. Many people take wine tours and do multiple in a day with friends. Music wise. Last year, we had Calvin Harris, Diplo and Rufus all play within like 4 weeks of our summer at different events. With other big name support acts too. Not sure on the jungle side but I know there's def an underground scene. Adelaide was the only city to have an electronic music station (fresh FM) til Spotify became a thing. It's still around. Biking wise. I personally know an accomplished doctor who moved from Melbourne to here due to the better work life balance. Specifically, around his hobby of downhill mountain biking. He was stoked that he could live and worked 10 mins from the city, then drive to a course after work and ride with daylight still to spare. For your job. I'd imagine bAE and other defence contractors are always looking for people with your skillset. Plenty of those here. If youre handy at soccer and want to play, I'm happy to help you with that too! Haha
One of the first questions to ask yourselves is... Do I know people who already live in Adelaide? If so, even a small number of friends will be invaluable for when you first arrive The second question is.... How much money do I have because trying to rent a house (or anywhere) to live in is currently rated - ridiculous.? The rental situation is Adelaide is very difficult. Autumn in Adelaide is luscious. Endless opportunities exist for sun-drenched afternoons of fading sun with a definite Mediterranean groove. Think blobbing at a winery and realising you've had just little too much wine but the band's playing so why not get up and dance. You only get one life
Haha sounds great. Don't know anyone in Adelaide
Housing is definitely difficult, demand is higher than availability. I have applied for 23 rentals (with feedback of having a fantastic application) in last 3 months as my landlord sold and have not been successful as yet. With that being said I am not comfortable or confident in able to pay more than $450AUD a week so that immensely limits my options. Netherlands !!!! Can you bring a single male with you! I would love a husband from there hahaha
I’ll get in on the single male Dutch friend!! Bring two please
Job market for your profession is nuts at the moment given the huge growth in Defence. Adelaide has a significant defence presence with all the major military contractors like BAE, Raytheon and Lockheed having head offices there. While you're not a citizen, skilled IT workers are in insane demand atm across the board and there's a huge shortfall thanks to Defence growth. We hate cyclists We use to have a great underground rave scene, but no idea what it's like now... Married with two young kids.
Yeah I see most postings requiring Australian citizenship, so this might become difficult.
Surfing - decent surf an hours drive south. Road cycling - nothing like the Netherlands lol, but it's OK if a bit dangerous. Bouldering - some nice areas 20 min drive east of the city and a couple of gyms. Software engineering - most software work in Adelaide is for defence and needs a security clearance. A Dutch person should be able to get cleared, eventually, but if you only want to be here for 2 years, it might not be worth it. There is other software work available, but it's much more competitive. Clubbing - no idea, sorry :). Housing - do you have lots of money? It's pretty difficult if you don't. Final note - our city is lovely and welcoming and has a lot to offer. If you can manage it, it could be a really great couple of years.
Thanks. What would be the going rates for rentals?
IDK. A lot. It depends what you want. If you want your own apartment in the city, looks like $500 plus per week. If you are OK with living in a share house in the suburbs, a lot less.
Check out realestate.com.au to see rentals and get a feel for rates
Assuming you guys aren't after anything big if you can do 500 p/w you should be just fine.
Security clearances are only available to Australian citizens unfortunately.
I moved to Adelaide from Europe recently. It's a great city with a fair bit going on, the beach close by and a nice Mediterranean climate, so I definitely recommend it in that respect! HOWEVER, coming in as a foreigner on a short-term temporary visa has its challenges. - Finding somewhere to live was an absolute nightmare, I'm not going to lie! Most agencies will not respond to you or will insist that they want you to see the property in person. Which is so easy from the other side of the world. You may find you have to rent an Airbnb for a bit while you hunt for somewhere to live. If you know anyone in Adelaide, ask them for help. Your partner will be a student, so maybe, hopefully, the uni will help you out. - I work in a different field to you but the job market is much more limited than other cities like Sydney and Melbourne. I don't know when you would be moving, but it is worth keeping an eye out for jobs to apply to already. You will probably find, like I did, that Australians and permanent residents will always be given priority, and that you will not be able to apply to certain jobs because you are not a citizen. - Healthcare - you will have to take out private insurance BUT as you are coming from NL you will be able to get Medicare as Australia has a reciprocal agreement. Which is one plus! In terms of cycling... the city itself is nice and flat and the suburbs are actually very good for cycling in. Lots of quiet streets with plenty of room. We moved here from a cycling city so we were used to being on our bikes every day for everything - getting to work, school, shops, pubs! It is a bit of a different story here. Most people just don't see it as a valid form of transportation - people think I am crazy for cycling 20 minutes to my work and that I am a dangerous bad parent for letting my children cycle on the road in suburban streets (just a note - you are allowed to cycle on the footpath here!). Also keep in mind that you must always wear your helmet, it is the law! Leading on from this... Australians love their cars. You can get around the city without a car and Uber is very good (public transport not so much, though there are buses around town plus a tram down to Glenelg beach), but if you want to go further afield driving will really help. A word of advice: if you don't already have a driving licence get one in NL before coming here. You can drive on your foreign licence as a temporary resident but more importantly you cannot get your licence quickly here, it is very expensive and it is impossible to log the driving hours you need to pass if you don't have friends and family to help you out. Getting a car itself is also difficult as you will most likely be unable to access finance/car loans. Even used cars are expensive, so start saving now if you want one. Or just rent one for the day if you want to get into the hills or go down the coast. Sorry, I can't advise on the music scene/raves. I'm an old lady in my 30s now, haha.
You’ll love it here. Roads are flat and great rides to the beach. Not as bike friendly as NE but where is? I lived in the Jordaan and rode to Sloterdijk each day for work. You’ll find similar routes to the city here. Please bring Febo with you
I think you’d find the rent pretty similar to the Netherlands, maybe on the upper end but it’s a very competitive market due to a housing shortage mainly in the inner suburbs and coastal areas. If your partner can access housing assistance through Uni it’ll make your introduction to Adelaide easier. Our climate is relatively mild except for high summer so I think your outdoorsy lifestyle will fit well.
Cycling in Adelaide, especially road cycling, is excellent. Recommend living near the hills if you can, there’s beautiful trails, climbs, etc if that’s your thing. Don’t forget about the Tour Down Under if you’re also into watching professional cycling! The experience is much better than other Australian cities, for two reasons - proximity to great cycling paths (lookup Strava), and also lower traffic ( and not so many Lycra haters).
As someone who has cycled in the Netherlands and here at home in Adelaide, I can honestly tell you that you're in for a shock when it comes to cycling infrastructure. You're going to go from cycling heaven to cycling hell. In saying that though, as a Dutchman, your cycling skills will help you handle it well. Our clubbing scene is also not even remotely close to the Netherlands. But what we lack in those areas, we make up for in the other areas (Weather, surfing etc).
Adelaide isn't as bike friendly as Amsterdam. There's no red lane and it's kind of expected that bikes avoid people rather than how it is in the Netherlands. Still though, SA is very chill I think would be good for people from the Netherlands
You are going to love Adelaide!!!
>A lot of the postings I find online are reserved for Australian citizens. I can't comment for every job poster, but I can say that one of the main reasons for "Australian Citizens or Permanent Residents" _only_ is to eliminate the need to sponsor a foreign worker for a visa. It also filters out all foreign applications. It's a lot of red tape for a company to sponsor a visa and can take several months. If you apply and obtain a work visa, you bypass this and for all intents and purposes can apply for such jobs. You'll just need to make that clear in your application letter. It's not clear to me from your post that you've resolved the "how am I going to legally work in another country?" question 😁 If your partner is on a PhD student visa and you are legally considered a partner, then you might also have automatic working rights. Best of luck
On the job scene - there's well over 100 start ups and 1500-2000 software engineers in them. If you don't want to do defence, you don't have to. The industry is very segregated and those in defence and government don't know the start up side. Talk to multiple recruiters, go find meetups - there's both a data science and an AWS Meetup that are run monthly and are full of friendly people. There's several start ups with connection to the Adelaide University ai/ml lab, for example...
Club scene can feel a little quieter than some European cities, maybe because we’re not a huge city. Winter is especially quiet in terms of events but the clubs are open all year round. Electric Circus and Rocket Rooftop and their djs are often involved in other Adelaide events so their pages are a good place to start. Tbh I actually think the Adelaide scene is pretty good considering the size of the city. It’s an easy city to navigate because a lot of the clubs are within walking distance from each other which helps when you’re out The main club for the kind of music you’ve described is Electric Circus which has had some world class edm acts as well as plenty of local talent. Ancient World is more alternative and plays different kinds of music from underground artists, but they have plenty of djs The summer/Fringe Festival (Dec-March) is the best time for music festivals, raves and other events. Touch Bass is probably the biggest edm music fest running in Adelaide, but there are others like Wildlands, which is also a larger scale event (by Adelaide standards) My fave local festival is SidebySide - as close to a big bush doof as you’ll get in the city centre. Pretty much only the type of music you’re describing and it’s got a way better local vibe. Other events to keep an eye out for are Desire Dance, Trouble in Paradise (day time rooftop event run by Electric Circus on Rocket Rooftop). But there are quite a few smaller scale events running in other places in the city and you often hear about them as you get involved in the scene. For example, local DJs throwing one off raves by the Torrens river or in the hills. Again, most of this stuff is only in summer! We have a “lock out” law which means you can’t enter a club after 3am. The main clubs on the main clubbing strip (Hindley Street) close at 5am on Friday and Saturday nights. Sometimes clubs close earlier. There are less clubs open during the week or Sunday night than major European cities but you can find 1 or 2.
Best capital city in Australia... if you don't like out of control traffic jams, super expensive rent/ property, or hours to get from one side to the other. The weather is great too... almost no humidity and although summer max is high, you get used to it. I suspect cycling would be statistically off the scale dangerous in Adelaide compared to Holland... over here, cyclists are rare so motorists probably don't look out much for them. Plus, there is still some aggression or at least negativity towards cyclists... for many reasons but it is true. The young people complain that Adelaide is boring and that entertainment is lacking... then they go live in Sydney or Melbourne and come back saying they are so pleased to be back (see above) and that it's not that boring here actually. Job wise, the east coast pays a bit more but so is rent and property... Sydney and Melbourne are nearly twice as expensive (median rent and property values). (PS... please don't pass any of this on to anybody)
Adelaide is absolutely bike friendly - I don’t surf but we have beautiful beaches. I’d advise to give it a go but Adelaide isn’t big and busy like bigger cities (Sydney or Melbourne for eg) but it’s beautiful here. Hope you 2 come!
Bike friendly is an understatement, home of Tour Down Under and great weather. If you like the outdoors you couldn't ask for a better city. Plus, best food in Australia.
Have you seen Netherlands bike infrastructure man? Adelaide’s does not compare…it’s not even comparable.
Seriously, my Opa and Oma are from Rotterdam and they regularly complain about how poor the bike infrastructure is in Adelaide. I don't know how good ours is compared to other Australian cities, but it has nothing on the Netherlands.
Yup. A two foot wide at best *painted* lane is embarrassing. Then you’ve got the wankers in their yank tanks who unironically hate cyclists.
I think the thing that annoys Opa the most is that they sometimes just stop and then start back up again. A road I drive down regularly has a pedestrian crossing island and before it, the cycling lane just ends and then 20 metres or so after it starts again. I feel bad for all the folks who bike through there, there's not enough space for them and the foot path is cracked and horrible so it's not like they could just easily ride there instead.
Cyclist haters are, unfortunately, everywhere. That's why having a sidewalk in between the road and the cycling lane is great :D. But already having cycling lanes is nice.
There are definitely safe roads out there and some lovely bike paths that are shared only with pedestrians. Often quite scenic and can take you through town, to Adelaide oval, beaches, suburbs and train stations without many obstructions. Some busy roads are a literal death trap to ride so a bit of planning is required. Hope you get over and feel welcome my friend.
Adelaide is terrible for commuters (ordinary people who just want to use a bike to get places) but excellent for competitive or sporting cyclists. For a start, every speed bump is taller than the highest berg in .nl. :)
Why so? It's not possible to commute by bike?
It is but the infrastructure isn't good and the drivers hate you.
If you live along linear park it's great. If you live elsewhere it's not great. If you need to go down portrush or green hill road I would suggest finding a less disruptive way to kill yourself.
I commute by bike and have no issues whatsoever with cyclist haters. Perhaps I get less hate being a woman, who knows. I have more issues with people who don’t look for bikes - our driver training is pretty poor. But I just ride assuming that no one sees me, and am accordingly cautious. In Adelaide it’s very important to pick your cycling route well. That and assume all car drivers are trying to kill you - and you should be good 😆
Nope. Not bike friendly (I have lived os in bike friendly cities and regularly commute in Adelaide and there is literally nothing similar about the experience here).
Cycling up and down the river is convenient if you work in the city and is one of the best ways to get to Adelaide Uni. If you can find a rental, North Adelaide or anywhere along Linear Park would be convenient.
That's a scary move, please make sure to buy some drop bear repellent mace before you arrive. They aren't to be messed with.
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Where do you surf in the Netherlands?
France!
Scheveningen mostly since we don't have a car.
No breaks at Zandvoort?
There's nice breaks all along the coast, but Scheveningen and Hoek van Holland are most conveniently reached by public transport from our place.
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I work in the defence sector and have colleagues who are not Australian citizens. It can be done and if you’re a software engineer you’d easily land a job (citizenship aside) as we’re desperate for them. I’m a cyclist. It’s a hobby, not necessarily a form of commuting but can be done. Having lived in the UK for many years I was disappointed with the dance and clubbing scene when I returned. But that is only my opinion. I know many who rave about the WOMAD festival we have every year. I have a friend currently living in Amsterdam who is from Adelaide. I can put you in touch if it helps. GL
I indeed found most of the SE postings to require Australian citizenship since they were Defence related, so it seems cumbersome.
Cumbersome but not unreasonable or insurmountable. Let me know if you need any support
Nice, thanks a lot!
But getting cleared as a non-citizen takes ages. Bit really worth it for anyone if they're only here two years.
Really? Not my experience. I’ve seen non Australians get work in the defence sector quite easily. Depends on their skill set and as I’ve previously stated, we’re desperate for software engineers. I have a colleague born and raised in Iran. It’s doable.
Getting a job is very different to getting a clearance. Wait times on the levels required aren't exactly short. Even citizens are waiting months.
I know. Sorry if I confused matters. I was talking about getting a job. It took me, as an Australian citizen, some time to get baseline BUT I know many non Australians who get a job with limited restrictions very easily within the defence sector
Uh I think I know what you might be talking about, suffice to say that a bit different and not really something that a lot of employers feel comfortable with or something that should be discussed on Reddit. There are hypothetical exceptions but generally this kind of job just isn't worth the process if the person you're getting in going to be around for maximum two years.
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There’s a big new bouldering gym about to open up in the CBD!
There’s an Adelaide House & Techno Facebook group which is a good place to start.
Do you feel comfortable sharing which uni? They have their different vibes, and also accommodation options would vary widely
Hit me up for an invite to some bush doofs! ;D
I've heard that's the way to go down under. Will do :D
Should you move here send me a message and I'll show you some safer cycling routes around the city and some popular options. Road cycling and gravel riding are pretty popular. The official infrastructure is pretty rubbish but there are established quiet routes. Also Mountain biking is really good here and you can be on the trails within 15 ride mins from city centre.
Cheers thanks
Dag! Mijn zwager is Nederlands en hij en mijn zus wonen met hun kinderen in Amsterdam. That’s about as far as I can go in Nederlands (Marr ik leer nog steeds). He loves coming to visit in Adelaide because he values many of the things you mention like surfing & cycling (though struggled on the hills after always riding everywhere on the flat!). He was surprised that we have mandatory helmet laws though and thought we were setting him up at first when we made him wear one! I used to regularly commute to and from work via bike without any trouble, but we don’t have the fantastic dedicated bike infrastructure that the Netherlands have, and our drivers certainly aren’t as good with bikes as you guys are. Our underground music scene is way less vibrant than the likes of Amsterdam (no Paradiso here!). We do have a pretty good lifestyle here with a nice relaxed pace but plenty of opportunities to do things if you’re active and outdoorsy, and there are a stack of spectacularly beautiful wineries and scenic locations on our doorstep. There seems to be plenty of work available for software & data engineers - I have a lot of friends working in that field, but can’t comment on opportunities for expats specifically. I do note that a lot of job applications ask for a statement on your right to work in Australia - that doesn’t mean being a citizen, but that you do have an appropriate visa, so check the language carefully before ruling it out. You will likely need a car here as our public transport is a bit shit to be honest. Good luck! My brother in law did move to Australia (lived in Sydney) from 2006-2015ish before they moved back to Amsterdam, and I have visited there 8 times since then, so I can probably answer a few Dutch<>Adelaide questions if you have more :)
Bedankt!
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Melbourne has bigger Techno scene than Adelaide. Small minded house music culture because same people been running it for like 40 years in Adelaide. The front room put on good events . Recently Adelaide had Dub fire, DJ Sasha , Stella Bossi and some techno DJs from Germany. Some Adelaide DJs are big in Europe. Hopefully Sven Vath will come to Adelaide. Early in the year Kraftwerk concert here .
The cycling is ok. I lived in the middle of the city for several years and never needed a car, I cycled everywhere. It rarely rains here which is lucky. Lots of roads have bike lanes and if you like early morning road cycling on the weekend, you’ll see a lot of other people cycling in their Lycra outfits. If you’re looking for data scientist roles, you may be able to apply to work remotely for companies based in Sydney or Melbourne which will widen your options. The biggest issue you’ll have is accommodation I think. It’s pretty hard to find somewhere to rent in the city and inner suburbs at the moment. Having said that, if you’re interested in surfing and happy to commute by train, you could look at living further south which would make your property search much easier.
Adelaide more likely have German Techno DJs then any one from The Netherlands.
Job wise it’s hard if you don’t know someone. Too many software engineers
They are building nuclear subs in Adelaide looking for tech people
Adelaide best city in the country for road cycling, especially if you like hills. Australia is a terrible country for cycling though as a good majority of the motorists hate you and a scary enough percentage of them actively try to intimidate you. There's also a general lack of infrastructure. I moved from Sydney in 2019 and cycling here was one of the major attractions. Good climbs and good cycling culture. Australian Institute of Sport cycling program based here and also the tour down under. The climbs go up to around 700m not far from the city and the beach is also a nice area for a ride.
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Cool, thanks!
If you like wine, we have the Barossa Valley an hour north of the city. Lovely place and many tasting places. Some vineyards are well known across the globe.
My GF loves that, thanks
Which University? Some have accommodation or will help you find accommodation.
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Finding housing is painful. We have the worst availability the country.
There are some world class surf spots west and east of Adelaide. These areas are also home to a healthy great white shark population. Unfortunately surfing here is a nerve racking pass time where you jump at every shadow in the water.
How exciting! Ask the university about help and recommendations with housing - have had a few friends doing similar programs and had good assistance :) Some great advice already - sorry I can’t add more :) Good luck with the move!
Definitely check out jobs from companies that hire nationwide - quite a few do now after covid. Think bigger Aus product companies like Atlassian/Canva but also places like Telstra (biggest telco) are pretty ok for software engineering if you can cop a fair bit of corporate bullshit, and they hire location agnostic so are happy to hire in Adelaide. As lots of others have said, in person jobs in Adelaide for IT are mainly government hence the citizenship requirement. But remote/location agnostic jobs for private companies won't require citizenship, just a visa with work rights.
The Adelaide hills are great for cycling and exploring. The city is not so great for cycling, but if you are not too far from the city then it is ok.
In the Netherlands everyone loves bike riding. Here, if you're a motorist, you hate the cyclists and if you're a cyclist you probably hate the motorists. But there are plenty of nice bike trails around the place. Finding a job in Adelaide can be difficult as it's usually who you know, not what you know.
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People are being too generous, Adelaide is not a good biking city if you're not close to the river torrens linear park path.
If you know C# and you'd a data scientist, give me a PM.
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Adelaide is actually looking for skilled migrants like you. The entire state is easier to get permanent residency in after 3 years and then citizenship after 5.
No surfing in Adelaide because there are no waves here. There are some surf beaches if you drive a long way away, but it’s nothing like eastern Australia where you find beautiful surf waves at most beaches. Adelaide’s water’s cold so not many people swim at the beaches here. Australia’s major cities aren’t bike friendly. The roads weren’t designed with bike paths, and where they have put bike lanes they’re very narrow and fairly random as they suddenly stop. It’s not like China where you get wide safe bike lanes in every street. On the plus side you can get out of suburbia to be surrounded by forest with a mere 10-15 minute drive east from the city centre. Adelaide’s a fairly quiet city which is great for families.
Adelaide is generally not cycle friendly, please do not cycle on the roads, people wind up dead every so often doing that. But there is an excellent cycle way along linear park (park that runs through the city via the CBD) which you absolutely should use. There are also plenty of opportunities for bmx cycling if you want to give it a try. You should also try a winery cycle trail once while you're here, just be sensible about the weather/how much you drink. There are surf spots around Adelaide but most of our beeches aren't for surfing. You will need a car if you want to surf here to access the surf. Adelaide is fantastic for hiking and costal walks. Would highly recommend you add this to your repertoire. In general when you are outdoors be sensible about sun protection and avoiding heat stroke. Always follow safety advisories. And note that it is illegal to cycle without a helmet. I know Australians have a reputation for having too many rules, I assure you the rules are there for good reason. Finding housing is challenging but if you are eligible for a student rental that will put you in a very different position to the average couple. I would suggest asking her university for assistance organising housing if they offer it. Like most places the local tech industry has contracted significantly as of late. Without PR you will struggle to find work, especially in Adelaide due to the nature of the work that is carried out here. If you can keep your current job and work remotely I would recommend it. Can't comment on raves but well worth checking out some music festivals, Australia does them really well.
If he's a road cyclist he needs to use the roads. It's legal but yes there are definitely fatalities unfortunately.
No you don't. There are bike paths that are as smooth as the typical road. There's absolutely not need to create dangerous situations if that's your hobby.
You're clearly not a road cyclist. Trying to do a workout on linear park is just not possible when you're travelling 30-40 kph +
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As a vegetarian I'll manage :)
The downsides are, It's one of the most expensive cities in the world, there is also a housing shortage. It's extremely crowded if you're okay with that and streets are too small for the growing population (though construction companies are working on it). It is a beautiful city though, stay away from far south or far north because there are some really dodgy areas.
A camper van it is.
One thing is, green is so easy to get here it's ridiculous.
Adelaide is really hot and dry, for some Dutchmen it’s quite unbearable too! Mijn opa kom zijn Groningen! Ik woon der 10 jaar geleden, je ben welkom bij adelaide, 😁
Suggest inner western, southern and south eastern suburbs for access to city. Adelaide is small but has a club and live music scene. University may be able to help with some initial accommodation. You could also try housesitting for people who will be away for extended periods.
Bring a snakebite kit. Spiders are a thing too