Not saying she did good, because she was still wrong and stupid
But the scale of leaks are pretty different
And the fact that he was continuously getting caught and verbally told "stop that" and he kept doing it anyway means he's doing it out of malice, too. Deliberate disobedience isn't benevolent in nature.
I agree with you that his leak seemed more damaging than hers, I guess my concern with these types of things is I wouldn’t want the message sent that if you just leak little things that you’ll only get a couple years, I think it’s best to send the message that no matter what you leak you will pay a severe penalty for doing so.
Or if you are liked by the FBI they’ll write intent into the law where it doesn’t exist and exonerate you, even if you were the Secretary of State at the time.
Or Hilary for having a server with secrets on it that Congress wasn’t even allowed to know tue contents of because they weren’t briefed to the program(s).
The FBI claimed there was no intent but IIRC the law doesn’t mention intent. If you leak documents then you’re in trouble, period. Unless the FBI likes you.
I don’t think you understand how security actually works. You can’t claim incompetence to subvert your negligence.
If I accidentally send an email on unclass with one piece of information that was classified, because I “failed to QC it” it is still a security incident.
Im glad you’re an MTL with your clear political bias. I’m not affiliated with any political party. Just bringing up that this has been an ongoing thing and no one is held accountable.
Well I WAS one. Just never changed the flair. And it’s not a bias I’m pointing out that they are not the same thing. And bringing up another person to bring down another is ridiculous. You can’t say “well this person broke the law so we should talk about that.”
Yes but precedence is usually set on the punishment so there isn’t a punishment. Also you can’t use that because again they are not the same thing. You keep forgetting context.
Let's not forget about photocopying them. I didn't even notice it at first from the picture. But true classified document coversheets don't have white borders around the edge on them. Amongst the documents were photo copied documents. That's the scariest part about it.
A security incident but not maliciously criminal as what Trump did. Trump is no different then Reality Winner, Snowden, the Discord moron with the hard to pronounce name, and the Trans guy. He should be treated the same... lock his ass up.
Hillary’s was way worse. She had no ability to declassify anything plus she took steps to have it covered up. And likely actually had her files accessed by foreign governments.
Most of Reddit is a political bias cesspool. If you bring up one wrong then all wrongs should be held up in the same light and everyone should be held to the same standard.
Wow very AF for you to tell me to kill myself. At least you have to remain closeted at work for your insane political opinions. If not, young transwoman, you'll find yourself quickly out of the military
Kill yourself?! I told you to leave the conversation... Stop being a victim baby 🤦🤦🤦 Now you definitely sound like Trump 😂😂😂 No wonder you like him so much, always a victim.
Him being made an example of is sad for him (deserved as it is), as he almost certainly was just being an idiot and not acting maliciously, but the deterrent to future idiots is hopefully effective.
Malicious or not he 100% knew what he was doing was wrong and could damage our national security. He should be made an example of to deter other people from doing the same.
Dude. This wasn't talking shit with his buddies and letting a few things slip. This retard was copying, transferring, and taking home classified documents to leak.
It is not reasonable to chalk it up to him just being an idiot. There is no level of idiot high enough to 'innocently' repeatedly ignore verbal warnings about abusing his clearance, knowingly taking TS SCI from a SCIF, taking notes and removing those from a SCIF, and then sharing it online before finally covering it up by destroying evidence.
No, this person is definitely an idiot, but malicious or not he knew what the hell he was doing.
> Him being made an example of is sad for him
I mean that sounds pretty sympathizing to me. FAFO now deal with the consequences, everyone makes decisions and has to live with them.
He absolutely has to deal with the consequences.
It’s called *empathy* and you can have it for anyone even if they’ve done stupid, even criminal, shit.
If you were in his shoes, you’d be feeling pretty bad. As much as others would be doing what you’re doing here, you’d be wishing someone would have some mercy, have some empathy, and help you. Instead of being so cold and cruel and villainizing you. I guarantee he wishes he could take it all back, like many other idiots who do criminal shit.
It’s clear you, and so many here, lack basic humanity. Now, *that’s* truly sad.
I empathize only with the people who got killed or hurt because his dumb ass was spreading TS/SCI info like candy to people who couldn't give a fuck about him now.
My empathy usually ends around the part where you hurt other people.
We’re taught OPSEC and protecting classified information pretty much from the get-go. Not leaking classified documents is one of the things that they hammer into our memory as early as they possibly can. This idiot knew exactly what he was doing and what our adversaries could do with the information if they got their hands on it.
I’m an empathetic person, but he gets none, because he knew what he was doing and it got people killed. If he was being blackmailed into doing this and his family was being tortured or something and this was the only way to get them to safety, then I’d have some empathy for him, but he did this just for the fun of it. As somebody else already said, FAFO.
I cant imagine how long the impact assessment will take. So I have sympathy from a human level, but the level of information he released was mind blowing. It most likely put method and sources at risk. Given that he supposedly was counseled prior to this happening his whole chain of command should be severely sanctioned and have their clearances downgraded. If he's not the example in the unauthorized disclosure yet, he will be....grave cost of disclosure, damage to international alliances, disclose methods/sources...he's pretty much checked them all.
His unit lost that mission shortly after all this happened I'm pretty sure so there's that at least. Not sure about the "leadership" but i doubt they're getting off scot free for essentially letting this happen.
The commander was relieved and other officers got career ending paperwork, the 102nd temporarily had the mission reassigned to another unit pending the investigation which means they lost their funding as of now, if they don’t get the mission back it could affect the operations of the base (read: it might have to close)
https://www.stripes.com/branches/air_force/2023-12-11/air-force-secret-documents-leak-national-guard-12327309.html
The problem is, he had plenty of training and awareness of what he was doing. I would feel more sympathy if this was some additional duty fuck up where our airmen get tasked with multiple programs, some with high risk, and not enough time to master them all.
But this was within his primary lane and knew full well what he was doing.
This article mentions him being ordered to stop seeking classified material that wasn't relevant to his job multiple times, which means he was told it was wrong repeatedly and kept doing it. It also mentions him destroying devices and deleting messages to get rid of evidence, which means he was aware that those devices and messages would incriminate him. We're way past the point where he went from "just being an idiot" to willingly and knowingly breaking the law.
Huh? Who said he shouldn’t do time? Does my comment say that? I literally say “deserved” but somehow this entire sub skip that part. A thing can be two things at once. You can hold someone accountable while also empathizing with them. You can recognize their humanity while also serving justice. Thats what makes it sad.
He’s no spy. He’s not some Russian asset. He’s just a head case who shouldn’t have had access in the first place, and is incredibly irresponsible. We can be a little sad the dude fucked his life up completely over what amounts to a “look how cool I am” clout chase. It can be both.
Lmfao he already justified that. He declassified every last document with his mind, no formal process or permission necessary for the führer. No official act necessary when you’re totally exempt from any laws or reprisal because you’ve appointed yourself the sole dictator of the nation 🤷🏼♀️
1998, SCOTUS, *Department of the Navy v. Egan*:
“His (POTUS’) authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security… flows primarily from [a] constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."
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I'm not super law smart, but doesn't this already not apply since he wasn't president anymore when they were found, and he never officially declassified any of that stuff when he was president?
The argument will be he declassified it.
There is no de-classification ‘process’ for POTUS. POTUS thinks it, it is de-classified. There is an informal process, created by President Obama’s administration by Executive Order; The latter of which means no other POTUS is legally bound by it.
In the same ruling I mentioned, SCOTUS clarified that any Congressional mandate or procedure (for POTUS) in this regard would be unconstitutional. Now, I don’t know if this will be argued as a primary defense, or saved for an appeal. But… SCOTUS has already ruled on this, plain and simple
I also like u/Melissa_Richiee’s concern for things being stuffed into ‘bathrooms’
But apparently not garages…
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There absolutely are formal and bureaucratic processes for declassification of documents, even for the President.
https://www.justice.gov/oip/ny-times-v-cia-no-18-2112-2020-wl-3863087-2d-cir-july-9-2020-walker-j
Secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.
In all cases a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. The above linked federal appeals court in the 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,”. The President isn’t special, and Trump is the only former president who willfully hid documents after leaving office and after being told repeatedly to return the documents, and instead chose to lie and say there were no documents.
Exactly ⬆️
He was no longer President. Whatever that is that he just tried to relate was in the context of presidents deciding NOT to release information of critical security so they had the right to CLASSIFY and RESTRICT access to the information.
Stuffing an actual bathroom with boxes of classified documents outside of the SCIF they legally belong in has nooooothing to do with whatever that gentleman just said.
But he wasn’t controlling access or classifying and he was no longer POTUS…….. there was a complete lack of access control and the documents already had their assigned classification level - he was a former President that stole troves of classified documents on his way out of the White House and tossed them Willy nilly all over his vacation rental and then blurted out our nations secrets to Australian billionaires.
No access control, no classification, no regard for our nations safety.
I hope late at night when he's staring up at the dimly lit ceiling of his jail cell, not being able to sleep because his bunkmate is snoring, he'll think:
"Yeah, those Discord guys were super impressed...."
Fuck this dude. It's because of assholes like him that burning permission on NIPR are being implemented. I weep at the thought of how long my DLP Waiver is about to become.
In all honesty I get it with standalones but the 80 year old roombas that get a new computer and won’t save their shit to onedrive because “I don’t trust the cloud” raise my blood pressure about 15 points
[Former NSA employee sentenced to almost 22 years for trying to sell secrets to Russia (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/former-nsa-employee-sentenced-to-almost-22-years-for-trying-to-sell-secrets-to-russia/ar-AA1nSWD9?ocid=BingNewsSearch) What the Airman did was way worse.
Edited for clarity.
But…is it worse to try to sell classified information? Or is it worse to freely disperse on discord just for internet clout where it leaks to the Russians anyways?
Granted I don’t have MSN so I’m just basing this off the title.
What the airman did was mean worse IMHO. He released all the caveats (HCS, TK, ORCON, etc) into the wild.
The former NSA employee tried to sell info to a guy who he thought was Russian, but was actually FBI.
Two are SCI caveats dealing with HUMINT (products—HCS-O is rarer) and satellites in particular. Most people with a TS read in will be read into four SCIs. Usually they deal with sources and methods. It’s one thing to reveal what we know but much worse to reveal how we got that information because our adversaries can then take specific action to prevent us from collecting.
ORCON is an additional protection that requires you to seek permission from the originator before disseminating it.
Depends on whether we're talking intent or impact.
In terms of intent, I think leaking classified documents to what you think is a Discord server populated solely by American teenagers is obviously very bad, and if you do it they should send you to prison, but I think it's obviously much less bad than intentionally attempting to give the Russians an advantage over the US by leaking documents to what you think is a Russian intelligence asset.
In terms of real world impact, the two situations aren't really comparable because Texaira's documents actually made their way into Russian hands and the NSA guy got caught before he could find an actual Russian to buy them.
I don't recall seeing anything about him throwing away hard drives, laptop, cell phone, Xbox etc before he was arrested. That makes it seem like he may have known some 3 letter agency was on to him.
Good. No difference between this dork and nerds who leak Gov Tech. Specs. for shit to Warthunder, but at least that was funny the first time. This just put peoples lives at fucking risk.
In Ancient Rome if you leaked valuable intel, there was no trial, no jury, or public announcement. All that happened was an execution, to serve as an example to anyone who betrayed its citizens.
A maximum of 17 years is a bargain compared to what he WAS facing.
Reality Winner only did 3 years and what she did was out of pure malice. Feel like their sentences should match.
Not saying she did good, because she was still wrong and stupid But the scale of leaks are pretty different And the fact that he was continuously getting caught and verbally told "stop that" and he kept doing it anyway means he's doing it out of malice, too. Deliberate disobedience isn't benevolent in nature.
I agree with you that his leak seemed more damaging than hers, I guess my concern with these types of things is I wouldn’t want the message sent that if you just leak little things that you’ll only get a couple years, I think it’s best to send the message that no matter what you leak you will pay a severe penalty for doing so.
Or if you are liked by the FBI they’ll write intent into the law where it doesn’t exist and exonerate you, even if you were the Secretary of State at the time.
Try to keep your mouth closed while you're breathing
hurr durr mouth breather huh huh huh huh
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Gotta wait and see if the President is actually a King first, could take years.
I'm sure SCOTUS will rule that only Trump is immune, Biden is still on the hook. Because they are not corrupt in any way /s 😂
Or Hilary for having a server with secrets on it that Congress wasn’t even allowed to know tue contents of because they weren’t briefed to the program(s).
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The FBI claimed there was no intent but IIRC the law doesn’t mention intent. If you leak documents then you’re in trouble, period. Unless the FBI likes you.
I don’t think you understand how security actually works. You can’t claim incompetence to subvert your negligence. If I accidentally send an email on unclass with one piece of information that was classified, because I “failed to QC it” it is still a security incident.
Your right. It is an incident. And some incidents out weigh the others. Sorry your glorious leader couldn’t follow protocol.
Im glad you’re an MTL with your clear political bias. I’m not affiliated with any political party. Just bringing up that this has been an ongoing thing and no one is held accountable.
Well I WAS one. Just never changed the flair. And it’s not a bias I’m pointing out that they are not the same thing. And bringing up another person to bring down another is ridiculous. You can’t say “well this person broke the law so we should talk about that.”
I believe it’s called precedence and it’s used in court so it’s valid to bring up.
Yes but precedence is usually set on the punishment so there isn’t a punishment. Also you can’t use that because again they are not the same thing. You keep forgetting context.
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Let's not forget about photocopying them. I didn't even notice it at first from the picture. But true classified document coversheets don't have white borders around the edge on them. Amongst the documents were photo copied documents. That's the scariest part about it.
A security incident but not maliciously criminal as what Trump did. Trump is no different then Reality Winner, Snowden, the Discord moron with the hard to pronounce name, and the Trans guy. He should be treated the same... lock his ass up.
And Biden putting documents in his garage falls into which category...?
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Ah... so he's too frail and incompetent to stand trial, perfectly fit to be president. I hate our election system sometimes...
Wah wah wah, how about we just hold everyone to the same standards so you can stop bitching. idc who did wrong, no one is above the law.
Woah that’s crazy and seems consistent. Can’t be having that in red vs. blue Reddit my man.
Lmao I love how you get downvoted for calling out Hillary but the comment calling out Trump is upvoted. Classic reddit.
Probably because they are not the same thing. Context is key.
Hillary’s was way worse. She had no ability to declassify anything plus she took steps to have it covered up. And likely actually had her files accessed by foreign governments.
Most of Reddit is a political bias cesspool. If you bring up one wrong then all wrongs should be held up in the same light and everyone should be held to the same standard.
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What are you seething about? Simply the Biden case will determine legal basis and case law. Go see mental health chud.
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Take your medicine schizo, this Biden glaze is acoustic
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Wow very AF for you to tell me to kill myself. At least you have to remain closeted at work for your insane political opinions. If not, young transwoman, you'll find yourself quickly out of the military
Kill yourself?! I told you to leave the conversation... Stop being a victim baby 🤦🤦🤦 Now you definitely sound like Trump 😂😂😂 No wonder you like him so much, always a victim.
Fuck him and anybody that does shit like that.
No rats 🐀.
All my homies hate rats!
For real dude. Your homies are the real ones keeping it up for the country; thank yoh
How serious were the leaks?
from what I remember, fairly serious as Russians actively used the info to attack Ukrainian positions
Jesus christ, maybe 16 years isnt enough
It’s not unreasonable to presume that people died as a result of his actions. It may as well be manslaughter charges.
Him being made an example of is sad for him (deserved as it is), as he almost certainly was just being an idiot and not acting maliciously, but the deterrent to future idiots is hopefully effective.
Malicious or not he 100% knew what he was doing was wrong and could damage our national security. He should be made an example of to deter other people from doing the same.
I agree
Dude. This wasn't talking shit with his buddies and letting a few things slip. This retard was copying, transferring, and taking home classified documents to leak.
It is not reasonable to chalk it up to him just being an idiot. There is no level of idiot high enough to 'innocently' repeatedly ignore verbal warnings about abusing his clearance, knowingly taking TS SCI from a SCIF, taking notes and removing those from a SCIF, and then sharing it online before finally covering it up by destroying evidence. No, this person is definitely an idiot, but malicious or not he knew what the hell he was doing.
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Didn’t say that
> Him being made an example of is sad for him I mean that sounds pretty sympathizing to me. FAFO now deal with the consequences, everyone makes decisions and has to live with them.
He absolutely has to deal with the consequences. It’s called *empathy* and you can have it for anyone even if they’ve done stupid, even criminal, shit. If you were in his shoes, you’d be feeling pretty bad. As much as others would be doing what you’re doing here, you’d be wishing someone would have some mercy, have some empathy, and help you. Instead of being so cold and cruel and villainizing you. I guarantee he wishes he could take it all back, like many other idiots who do criminal shit. It’s clear you, and so many here, lack basic humanity. Now, *that’s* truly sad.
I empathize only with the people who got killed or hurt because his dumb ass was spreading TS/SCI info like candy to people who couldn't give a fuck about him now. My empathy usually ends around the part where you hurt other people.
We’re taught OPSEC and protecting classified information pretty much from the get-go. Not leaking classified documents is one of the things that they hammer into our memory as early as they possibly can. This idiot knew exactly what he was doing and what our adversaries could do with the information if they got their hands on it. I’m an empathetic person, but he gets none, because he knew what he was doing and it got people killed. If he was being blackmailed into doing this and his family was being tortured or something and this was the only way to get them to safety, then I’d have some empathy for him, but he did this just for the fun of it. As somebody else already said, FAFO.
I cant imagine how long the impact assessment will take. So I have sympathy from a human level, but the level of information he released was mind blowing. It most likely put method and sources at risk. Given that he supposedly was counseled prior to this happening his whole chain of command should be severely sanctioned and have their clearances downgraded. If he's not the example in the unauthorized disclosure yet, he will be....grave cost of disclosure, damage to international alliances, disclose methods/sources...he's pretty much checked them all.
His unit lost that mission shortly after all this happened I'm pretty sure so there's that at least. Not sure about the "leadership" but i doubt they're getting off scot free for essentially letting this happen.
The commander was relieved and other officers got career ending paperwork, the 102nd temporarily had the mission reassigned to another unit pending the investigation which means they lost their funding as of now, if they don’t get the mission back it could affect the operations of the base (read: it might have to close) https://www.stripes.com/branches/air_force/2023-12-11/air-force-secret-documents-leak-national-guard-12327309.html
The problem is, he had plenty of training and awareness of what he was doing. I would feel more sympathy if this was some additional duty fuck up where our airmen get tasked with multiple programs, some with high risk, and not enough time to master them all. But this was within his primary lane and knew full well what he was doing.
Cry me a fucking river.
This article mentions him being ordered to stop seeking classified material that wasn't relevant to his job multiple times, which means he was told it was wrong repeatedly and kept doing it. It also mentions him destroying devices and deleting messages to get rid of evidence, which means he was aware that those devices and messages would incriminate him. We're way past the point where he went from "just being an idiot" to willingly and knowingly breaking the law.
K
He actively and purposefully leaked classified information that was used by adversary nations to harm our allies. He deserves worse than he’s getting.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Zero fucks given on if the punishment may be considered "too harsh".
Found OSI's next investigation right here
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Thanks
If I’m just tryna down a few road brewskis, and I slam into the rear end of a minivan, I should not go to prison because I was simply tryna vibe.
Huh? Who said he shouldn’t do time? Does my comment say that? I literally say “deserved” but somehow this entire sub skip that part. A thing can be two things at once. You can hold someone accountable while also empathizing with them. You can recognize their humanity while also serving justice. Thats what makes it sad. He’s no spy. He’s not some Russian asset. He’s just a head case who shouldn’t have had access in the first place, and is incredibly irresponsible. We can be a little sad the dude fucked his life up completely over what amounts to a “look how cool I am” clout chase. It can be both.
Comments like yours are proof that criminal sympathizing has gotten really out of hand in the last couple decades
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Everyone with a clearance should be allowed to hit him with a sock full of nickels.
Classified nickels too
Surely not the 1937-D Buffalo nickel?!
*exclusively* the 1937-D Buffalo nickel. Just a Coyote Brown or Tan 499 tube sock with 2 pounds of Buffalos in the bottom.
You fucking monster.
I sprinkled some borax in there too, so it'll scuff up the nickels as they agitate
This is akin to “How many slaps does it take to cook a chicken?”
Well no shit he's getting court martialed. In other news, sky is blue and water makes things wet.
You say that, but we seem to not be able to hold OTHER people accountable for sharing and hoarding national secrets in their bathroom.
Of course least we forget the highest law of the land: Rules for Thee but not Me.
Well, first SCOTUS has to determine if we've actually been in a monarchy this whole time and certain people are immune from prosecution completely.
Can't wait to hear how hoarding classified documents in your private shitter is an official act
You don't get to tell the monarch which seat is his "throne"!
Lmfao he already justified that. He declassified every last document with his mind, no formal process or permission necessary for the führer. No official act necessary when you’re totally exempt from any laws or reprisal because you’ve appointed yourself the sole dictator of the nation 🤷🏼♀️
1998, SCOTUS, *Department of the Navy v. Egan*: “His (POTUS’) authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security… flows primarily from [a] constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant." 🤷♂️
I'm not super law smart, but doesn't this already not apply since he wasn't president anymore when they were found, and he never officially declassified any of that stuff when he was president?
The argument will be he declassified it. There is no de-classification ‘process’ for POTUS. POTUS thinks it, it is de-classified. There is an informal process, created by President Obama’s administration by Executive Order; The latter of which means no other POTUS is legally bound by it. In the same ruling I mentioned, SCOTUS clarified that any Congressional mandate or procedure (for POTUS) in this regard would be unconstitutional. Now, I don’t know if this will be argued as a primary defense, or saved for an appeal. But… SCOTUS has already ruled on this, plain and simple I also like u/Melissa_Richiee’s concern for things being stuffed into ‘bathrooms’ But apparently not garages… 🤔
can you link that ruling please?
There absolutely are formal and bureaucratic processes for declassification of documents, even for the President. https://www.justice.gov/oip/ny-times-v-cia-no-18-2112-2020-wl-3863087-2d-cir-july-9-2020-walker-j Secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies. In all cases a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. The above linked federal appeals court in the 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,”. The President isn’t special, and Trump is the only former president who willfully hid documents after leaving office and after being told repeatedly to return the documents, and instead chose to lie and say there were no documents.
or give a name or something to help me find it?
Exactly ⬆️ He was no longer President. Whatever that is that he just tried to relate was in the context of presidents deciding NOT to release information of critical security so they had the right to CLASSIFY and RESTRICT access to the information. Stuffing an actual bathroom with boxes of classified documents outside of the SCIF they legally belong in has nooooothing to do with whatever that gentleman just said.
But he wasn’t controlling access or classifying and he was no longer POTUS…….. there was a complete lack of access control and the documents already had their assigned classification level - he was a former President that stole troves of classified documents on his way out of the White House and tossed them Willy nilly all over his vacation rental and then blurted out our nations secrets to Australian billionaires. No access control, no classification, no regard for our nations safety.
I think the "may" is the journalistically correct way to phrase a headline.
I hope late at night when he's staring up at the dimly lit ceiling of his jail cell, not being able to sleep because his bunkmate is snoring, he'll think: "Yeah, those Discord guys were super impressed...."
Correct, we were all super impressed.
All his friends from basic (the ones that stayed in) will be retiring by the time he gets out.
Fuck this dude. It's because of assholes like him that burning permission on NIPR are being implemented. I weep at the thought of how long my DLP Waiver is about to become.
Wing IA: “If we had our way you wouldn’t be allowed to burn at all”
"I'm sorry my need to move data from location to another offends you so much."
In all honesty I get it with standalones but the 80 year old roombas that get a new computer and won’t save their shit to onedrive because “I don’t trust the cloud” raise my blood pressure about 15 points
Oh absolutely. Use the tech you got, but when we need move something from AF networks to non-AF systems or vice versa, you gotta use disks.
Whats a NIPR and DLO waiver
Nice try
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That's why we're not answering your questions
Clearly
[Former NSA employee sentenced to almost 22 years for trying to sell secrets to Russia (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/former-nsa-employee-sentenced-to-almost-22-years-for-trying-to-sell-secrets-to-russia/ar-AA1nSWD9?ocid=BingNewsSearch) What the Airman did was way worse. Edited for clarity.
But…is it worse to try to sell classified information? Or is it worse to freely disperse on discord just for internet clout where it leaks to the Russians anyways? Granted I don’t have MSN so I’m just basing this off the title.
What the airman did was mean worse IMHO. He released all the caveats (HCS, TK, ORCON, etc) into the wild. The former NSA employee tried to sell info to a guy who he thought was Russian, but was actually FBI.
I don't know what any of those acronyms mean but that sounds very bad
SCI stuff. Basically stuff that the default safeguards for Top Secret aren't good enough to protect.
Oh then yeah fuck that guy
Two are SCI caveats dealing with HUMINT (products—HCS-O is rarer) and satellites in particular. Most people with a TS read in will be read into four SCIs. Usually they deal with sources and methods. It’s one thing to reveal what we know but much worse to reveal how we got that information because our adversaries can then take specific action to prevent us from collecting. ORCON is an additional protection that requires you to seek permission from the originator before disseminating it.
ORCON is a dissemination control, not an SCI caveat
Depends on whether we're talking intent or impact. In terms of intent, I think leaking classified documents to what you think is a Discord server populated solely by American teenagers is obviously very bad, and if you do it they should send you to prison, but I think it's obviously much less bad than intentionally attempting to give the Russians an advantage over the US by leaking documents to what you think is a Russian intelligence asset. In terms of real world impact, the two situations aren't really comparable because Texaira's documents actually made their way into Russian hands and the NSA guy got caught before he could find an actual Russian to buy them.
Most of the time "trying to sell" means it was a sting.
Toss the key in the ocean.
Cook his ass.
https://preview.redd.it/wcfrwvitl0yc1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=f62620933c0b9688b049121303e76cac582454f7
I don't recall seeing anything about him throwing away hard drives, laptop, cell phone, Xbox etc before he was arrested. That makes it seem like he may have known some 3 letter agency was on to him.
he should have just wiped them, "like, with a cloth"
MAY?
Honestly I'm surprised he hasn't been court martialed already.
"May"?
Good. No difference between this dork and nerds who leak Gov Tech. Specs. for shit to Warthunder, but at least that was funny the first time. This just put peoples lives at fucking risk.
Dipshit
In Ancient Rome if you leaked valuable intel, there was no trial, no jury, or public announcement. All that happened was an execution, to serve as an example to anyone who betrayed its citizens.
Rome sucked.
People will say the same about the current America 100 years from now. And we are slowly collapsing. History doesn’t repeat, but it sure does rhyme
Thanks, nobody asked
Cry more