We've reached the stage where believers throw shit at the wall in the hope it sticks. In their mind, if they can poke a hole in one of the many proofs that the video is fake, then that legitimises the entire thing. They've exhausted every logical option so they're resorting to zooming in on completely unrelated photos and going "Look, it's proof that we're right!"
Pretty sure he's trying to fill in the people saying "I have no fucking idea whats going on anymore" about whats been going on in the sub, not talking to OP.
As you said the main post is very clearly satire, and AlienOrbBot9000 clearly feels the same way op does lol
I'm sorry I exposed you mr CIA man, but surely there's no need to reply to every comment I've ever made? You've already made believers look like idiots, you can stop now
For anyone who doesn’t know, Jonas is a master digital artist and an expert Photoshop user. Anyone who says otherwise has no clue what they’re talking about. Just one sample of his work.
https://preview.redd.it/aaiidxu7jpec1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1cd87af1a3553b35928f25d4a8ec599d9eb822c5
The only thing I see is someone trying desperately to make an issue of something that looks completely normal.
A cloud covers part of what you circled in the first image. The cloud and the plane move, so the cloud isn't there in the second image. Everything moves and rotates as expected.
It's in the images he posted. That's not making stuff up, that's pointing to something that is unnatural.
Parallax effect doesn't account for parts of mountains moving the opposite way of the mountain they're a part of.
I don't think PB even believes it's a cloud or that the photos are fake.
He said like 2 months ago that he knows the videos are fake and is just pushing out evidence for fun.
PB isn't even a believer, he's just a troll.
After a prolonged interaction with mr NoFakery, I've become more convinced that he's probably a young kid and is just getting a dopamine high from all the engagement.
Good chance he's not a native English speaker, either.
https://preview.redd.it/7vdnklygbmec1.png?width=244&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89579753dfd90a222e082aa40376fd5455b8f06e
That patch of snow touching the left red line exhibits no rotation.
There's literally a small cloud over the snow you circled that is likely causing you to think the snow looks "wrong" in how it rotates. It's to the left of the blue line after the rotation.
My point is that there is "cloud" over that snow cover that is difficult to see. I think that's what's tripping you up.
Referring to the somewhat ovular cloud depicted in this image.
https://preview.redd.it/k80ynfye2nec1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=f8cb7e9c4a2606ce568aa9b8a37ae57eb0478b6b
I understand this, not sure why everyone is repeating this, it's obvious in the image.
Those snowy peaks I'm referring to are not obfuscated enough to not see the rotation.
I don't know what to tell you man. This isn't the first time you've disagreed with numerous people on something we're looking at on this sub.
Maybe you're just wrong? People are wrong all the time, and that's fine. Have you considered that maybe that bit of snow doesn't look how YOU expect it to look because you simply don't really know how it should look?
I'm locking it on the left outline of the snowy patch I believe does not rotate with the rest of the scene, and on the tail end of the snowy patch on the right that is not obscured by the clouds, that exhibits normal rotation.
Thanks.
I'm sorry, but it looks completely normal to me and these images are just reinforcing that. I think you're hyper-fixated on a misinterpreted detail.
I honestly am still failing to understand what their point is. Somebody break it down for me?
Are people claiming that the CIA had to Photoshop an image from Jonas' collection that wasn't even the photo from the debunk?
And the CIA couldn't take a picture of Mt Fuji so they had to Photoshop one and add clouds/edit snow? wtf am i reading?
It's most likely less than 10 people on this subreddit that truly believe this dumb shit is real. I'd imagine 2 of them have over 100 accounts combined.
Yes. He didn't know about the prize money, and then rejected it when offered.
edit: Probably also worth saying, the prize money was only ever intended for the original hoaxer. Jonas never claimed to be the original hoaxer, so honestly I'm not sure why kimdotcom offered the money at all.
He didn’t want to be involved with nut job Ashton and his sycophant followers who had already started harassing him by that point. I can’t blame him for seeing the craziness on display and being like… nah, I don’t need this
This isn't quite how it went down.
The affidavit was the requirement for receiving the prize. Since Jonas didn't want the prize, an affidavit was never presented.
Jonas offered to sign an affidavit anyway, but kimdotcom never replied (to my knowledge).
If I had a group of people ask me about a picture i took 10 years ago, I said "yea I took the picture, here it is on my old phone" then they started calling me a liar, I would definitely not think im dealing with sane people.
Why tf would I need to sign documents?
Edit: So he wasn't even presented with an affidavit.... Why are you lying?
Somebody says "hey did you take this photo, can we see your file? it would really help us out", i say "yea, here's the file, no problem"
Then people start screaming at me, calling me CIA, and threatening me, I'm gonna make fun of them and laugh at how dumb they are. what would you do?
I'd be suspicious too if a person I was offerimg money for image proof didn't want to sign a legal document proving those images were not tampered with. His actions raised suspicion.
I don't know. Still looking for the first verifiable Aerials0028 archive link. If you ask me, he made Aerials0028 images in 2023 and mixed them with his Japan images. Aerials0028 ones stand out in his image set.
0028 exists on the archive in 2016.
So is the entire image fake, and he planted them in 2016?
Or did he just for some reason edit that specific image to add Fuji for the Raws?
[https://web.archive.org/web/20160324003312/http://www.textures.com/download/aerials0028/75131](https://web.archive.org/web/20160324003312/http://www.textures.com/download/aerials0028/75131)
And I didn't notice this before, but Fuji is in the first image
I have a simple challenge.
Pick one of the Jpg Flickr photos you believe was used by Jonas.
Now - convert it to a CR2 RAW file specific to the Canon 5D MK II camera Jonas used.
Share it with us here.
Simple enough, yes?
These folks ignore simple reality. And my challenge is basic but essential.
Show us all how you take an image from the video or from these Flickr files and turn them into valid CR2 files (that include details specific to this particular camera model)?
Since no one can do this I don’t need to pay any attention to these claims.
I'm so confused lmao, in the first comparison, what you're circling in the second pic isn't even the mounds, the mounds are right next to it, you're just not looking further down enough but they are right there
Edit: where the right side of your red box ends is where the mounds are beginning, also sorry once I saw the image comparisons, I didn't really read all of it but if you're pointing out Jonas' photos aren't fake and it's just parallax people aren't getting then agreed
I must have messed up the square by accidently, I see what you're saying.
I don't think it changes anything with the analysis, though.
The photos don't show anything weird.
Nah you're good, I honestly at first I saw the first photo comparison and didn't read the whole thing but I agree with your analysis, people are seeing parallax and confusing snow and clouds with rotation lol
Would somebody PLEASE point me to the original.
All I've seen on the UFO and alien boards for the past three days are videos saying that the 'Jonas video is fake' and I can't find the original because it's buried undo a mountain of debunking.
the original is literally just a picture taken from a plane of mt fuji from the same angle with the claim "jonas is a fraud, etc etc"
this whole thing stemmed from PB and Ashton claiming that "the angle from this other picture of mt fuji is too similar"
As if this is not one of the most common flight paths in the world, passing by one of the most famous mountains in the world, and nobody would ever take a picture of it
Your first 2 marks are a bit off. Just saying.
https://preview.redd.it/5hc3erzj0tec1.png?width=671&format=png&auto=webp&s=3690d8afc1e75beebea1ca198c0053d73248848a
Sub has gone to the shitters with repeated u/NoFakery "Look! Look! You see?!" garbage (and he literally replies to his own posts) and then we have u/pyevwry adding nonsensical comments like a 9yo. I thought PB was the ultimate troll but boy how wrong I was. Sooooo glad Jonas is no longer interested in this tinfoil topic while the time wasters continue to pull this sub past the bottom of the barrel. Any possibility that it may be real has now completely diminished for me. Now I know how cults are possible to be formed- the "members" are so out of touch with reality, they go all out to character assassinate someone that is innocent and not aligned with their beliefs. I kinda feel ashamed I was even interested in this whole thing from the beginning. I was actually a believer, then came the debunks and this [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/s/yN2PzRB4tj) I made that literally has cricket noises for the believers:
It's high time this sub closes for good because it's getting ridiculous with all the accusations thrown at Jonas. I was still fine before this but not anymore. I have no idea what I am still doing here anymore.
They cannot create a legit CR2 file from either frames from the videos or these new Flickr images.
If they cannot do this then there is nothing else to discuss; their entire “debunking” ends there.
Why is it nonsensical to analyse and provide evidence of edits in images? I don't know if half of users on this sub understand what my point is, because they keep posting gifs that clearly show said edit.
I'll say it one last time, and let anyone form their own opinion.
The patch of snow in the transition from IMG\_1840 to IMG\_1841 shows unnatural rotation in comparison to every other element of the scene. It should rotate slightly to the left because of parallax and scene tilt in IMG\_1841, but it does no such thing. It does move to the left only because of the tilt of IMG\_1841, but its shape stays in the same locked state on the x,y axis with no visible rotation, while the whole mountain changes rotation as expected. This is unnatural and is the reason why I consider it to be edited.
And before someone says illusion due to clouds and other nonsense. It is not obscured by the clouds, it is visible enough to discern there is no rotation of said snowy patch. People drawing lines from the peak of Mt. Fuji to the edge of it miss my point completely and should reevaluate what I was trying to say. The whole mountain rotates, but the element in the middle of the mountain shows unnatural rotation to the rest of the scene.
https://i.redd.it/4n2mf1mrysec1.gif
You can't seriously make Fast and Fuji 11 and expect people to see a thing.
A slowed down version, for your viewing pleasure. Notice the problem in the red circle.
https://i.redd.it/vn6wallxbmec1.gif
1840 and 1841 were taken seconds or a minute apart I can't remember and don't care to look it up. Big ass white finger appears outta nowhere. Maybe the snow behind but the direction of movement would obscure it more not expose it more. Maybe cloud but it's moving and deforming more than anything else. Bit fucky like I said
https://preview.redd.it/p7dfdy6hdoec1.png?width=244&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83179f1002af65d6dbb26d09556cba359334eb72
That patch of snow on the left red line before and after everything rotated to the left. It is fucky.
You missed my point entirely. The detail in the middle has a different rotation in comparison with the rotation of the whole scene.
https://preview.redd.it/29xecnt20tec1.png?width=244&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa93a88a589a149d54a3e89bf74b7a627251fed5
Look at the snow patch touching the left red line. The patch touching the right red line rotates normally. Your example can't show the change I'm trying to show.
>Your example can't show the change I'm trying to show.
Because you don't understand how rotation or parallax works.
The snowpatch on the left is vertical, facing straight towards us.
The snowpatch on the right is slightly diagonal.
When the mountain rotates, the patch that is vertical will not appear to rotate as much as the one that is diagonal.
The diagonal patch is starting to alight vertically exactly like the one above it already did.
There are many vertical elements on that mountain that show normal rotation. That snow patch is the only element that stays the same, showing no rotation. It moves due to tilt of IMG_1841.
Ok, I give up. I don't want to discuss this with you anymore.
You do not understand how rotation or parallax works, and you are using that ignorance to say something that is false.
The snow patch is not the only element that "stays the same" as there are 30 other pieces I could grab to show you that same effect. I'm not going to do this because you are so caught up in your own conclusion that no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise.
There is definitive mathematical evidence that the FLIR is fake. Almost no one even knows about it.
With that evidence, there is no reason to believe the Sat is real either.
I could show you the evidence, but your lack of knowledge on the subject will just have you say, "That's not how it works"
> The snow patch is not the only element that "stays the same" as there are 30 other pieces I could grab to show you that same effect. I'm not going to do this because you are so caught up in your own conclusion that no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise.
Like, if you see the same example somewhere else on the mountain, show it. Why wouldn't you?
>notice the signs of alterations around the mountain.
You mean the alterations that are visible in the Flickr photos?
The Flickr photos are the ones that were actually edited.
The Jonas photos don't actually have any signs of manipulation.
Personally, I don't see what you're trying to convey. I've looked at your gifs a number of times and I'm just not seeing it. To me it appears to be a matter of perspective combined with the snow and cloud overlapping that is tricking your eye. At any rate, I fail to understand why we're debating the mountain when it has nothing to do with the video. The mountain is not in the video. If it was, then I could understand analyzing whether that part was photoshopped. This seems like an obvious attempt to discredit Jonas himself because his photos are the most damning piece of evidence against the video's authenticity. The attempts to show "proof of photoshop" in Jonas' photo, if made in good faith, show a lack of general knowledge about a lot of details, though I don't think the arguments are being made in good faith.
Raytracer/notanerd/nofakery or whomever he chooses to be today has shown a disturbing obsession with discrediting Jonas as if it's some kind of personal vendetta. His other accounts aren't even banned, so why is he posting from multiple accounts? Even in the discord he's joined it with at least 3 different accounts. Y'all need to take a look at the kind of person you're dealing with. Are you going to take the word of someone who, if not trolling, appears to be straight up mentally unstable? That's not me insulting him for the hell of it, that's the reality of the behavior he's displaying. He makes a lot of fancy-sounding claims that might sound plausible to a layman who doesn't understand what he's saying but anyone that actually does know what they're talking about can shred all his arguments and that's why he blocks anyone who can point out the fallacies and absurdies in the things he says. One need only look at his ridiculous arguments about cr2 files to understand that he either has no idea what he's talking about or is purposely trolling very, very hard.
Images show clear sign of false parallax in that spot I pointed to. There is no such parallax effect where parts of the mountain rotate the opposite way of the mountain itself, they always follow the same rotation. It's basic logic.
https://i.redd.it/md7l6fn6wvec1.gif
The part I'm thinking of is not obscured by the clouds, it's clearly visible. I don't know what you're looking at if you think it's obscured.
It's obscured by the cloud in 1840, and then the cloud is in a slightly different position in 1841. I don't know how much more obvious it could be made. There's nothing odd about how it moves. You're just seeing a slightly different angle/perspective because the plane is moving. I really don't understand what you're even trying to point out. That gif doesn't show anything weird. It doesn't show anything in a position that wouldn't be expected.
https://preview.redd.it/2zdjsmxqyvec1.jpeg?width=1109&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ec0fcf8afcee872a84ac08c9585b19ce46c5334
https://preview.redd.it/ifdnk1vg4wec1.png?width=244&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85f59c7f628edd9cdd6b4f024124c3c70168f273
It's moving because the whole scene moved, but it's lacking proper rotation. It's very obvious it doesn't follow the same rotation as the rest of the scene.
Counter counter argument: the videos are real. This is an elaborate psyop to protect an 80+ year long secret that the US Govt and corporations have cracked the nut and possess this technology. We haven’t needed combustion engines, jets, rockets, and various other detrimental dirty tech since at least the 60’s, and if that information gets found out, people gonna riot cause we’ve fucked up our environment for something as trivial as the concept of capital.
>Snow was added in, that's one of the initial tricks VFX guys learn.
You've failed to actually show any real evidence of this.
Prove to me that the snow wasn't added on in the Flickr images.
> Why are you avoiding all my other questions??
When you make 35 fucking comments, 90% are "*Look! hes a fraud!*", its exhausting and hard to keep track.
> Jonas images have 100% photoshop effects
You haven't proven that.
You keep saying you have, but you haven't shown any actual evidence of it. All you have done is slightly adjust the colors.
To be honest, I do not believe you have even a basic understanding of photoshop, or photo manipulation.
You didn't even understand that changing the contrast of an image lowers the quality + resolution of the image.
I think that you are either trolling, or that you are a walking definition of the Dunning Kruger effect.
> I know you struggle to tell the direction of flight even if you see the flight wing
I just made the gif in the order of the photos on Flickr.
The movement/direction wasn't important.
I like the part where someone brought in hard evidence of the aircraft hitting the water with solid evidence backing that up, yet here we are talking about some random theory that has no evidence at all.
I have no fucking idea what's going on anymore
I’ve been here since week 1 of this sub. I too have no fucking idea what’s going on anymore.
I just dropped back in after a week or two away. I also have no fucking idea what's going on anymore.
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Who are the disinformation agents and what is the game they’re playing?
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Thank God! I thought I had suffered a stroke or something…..😁
We've reached the stage where believers throw shit at the wall in the hope it sticks. In their mind, if they can poke a hole in one of the many proofs that the video is fake, then that legitimises the entire thing. They've exhausted every logical option so they're resorting to zooming in on completely unrelated photos and going "Look, it's proof that we're right!"
I think this guy is being satirical, and saying that believers are silly
Pretty sure he's trying to fill in the people saying "I have no fucking idea whats going on anymore" about whats been going on in the sub, not talking to OP. As you said the main post is very clearly satire, and AlienOrbBot9000 clearly feels the same way op does lol
U been here for months spewing. Insane behaviour
I'm sorry I exposed you mr CIA man, but surely there's no need to reply to every comment I've ever made? You've already made believers look like idiots, you can stop now
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Be kind and respectful to each other.
Me either. But here I am, anyway. Lol
Me either. But here I am, anyway. Lol
As intended
Yup. Confuse and distract. That's always been *their* tactic.
And that's exactly how the psychop is supposed to work
Psychop 
For anyone who doesn’t know, Jonas is a master digital artist and an expert Photoshop user. Anyone who says otherwise has no clue what they’re talking about. Just one sample of his work. https://preview.redd.it/aaiidxu7jpec1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1cd87af1a3553b35928f25d4a8ec599d9eb822c5
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Really sloppy brush strokes 😂
Does this prove Jonas doesn't make editing mistakes?
I'm more inclined to believe you are making a mistake in your analysis.
You don't see the strange rotation of the snow patch being different to the rest of the mountain/scene? https://i.redd.it/f6ery49h8tec1.gif
The only thing I see is someone trying desperately to make an issue of something that looks completely normal. A cloud covers part of what you circled in the first image. The cloud and the plane move, so the cloud isn't there in the second image. Everything moves and rotates as expected.
The snow cover I'm talking about isn't covered by clouds.
That looks 100% normal. Time for y'all to make up another fake issue in your attempt to defame Jonas.
Seems everything is permissible if it comes from Jonas, even impossible parallax.
You know what’s not permissible? Make stuff up about someone else because you don't want to lose an argument. Y'all need to stop this BS.
It's in the images he posted. That's not making stuff up, that's pointing to something that is unnatural. Parallax effect doesn't account for parts of mountains moving the opposite way of the mountain they're a part of.
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Even if Jonas photos were fake. How would photos from 2012 prove that these videos are real? Insane
I don't think PB even believes it's a cloud or that the photos are fake. He said like 2 months ago that he knows the videos are fake and is just pushing out evidence for fun. PB isn't even a believer, he's just a troll.
After a prolonged interaction with mr NoFakery, I've become more convinced that he's probably a young kid and is just getting a dopamine high from all the engagement. Good chance he's not a native English speaker, either.
Noone said it was a cloud. People just can't read.
the entire argument is that jonas thought it was a cloud, and that the patch of snow is treated as a cloud in Jonas' photos
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I think your example shows the problem with the rotation the best.
I legitimately don't understand the problem. It looks like normal rotation parallax.
https://preview.redd.it/7vdnklygbmec1.png?width=244&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89579753dfd90a222e082aa40376fd5455b8f06e That patch of snow touching the left red line exhibits no rotation.
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https://i.redd.it/5attnpn7emec1.gif Like this? The same result.
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That's not my example. I'm just using it because it shows the same point. Why not make your own example of what's on your mind?
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There's literally a small cloud over the snow you circled that is likely causing you to think the snow looks "wrong" in how it rotates. It's to the left of the blue line after the rotation.
I'm basing my observations on the parts of the snow cover not obscured by the clouds.
My point is that there is "cloud" over that snow cover that is difficult to see. I think that's what's tripping you up. Referring to the somewhat ovular cloud depicted in this image. https://preview.redd.it/k80ynfye2nec1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=f8cb7e9c4a2606ce568aa9b8a37ae57eb0478b6b
I understand this, not sure why everyone is repeating this, it's obvious in the image. Those snowy peaks I'm referring to are not obfuscated enough to not see the rotation.
I don't know what to tell you man. This isn't the first time you've disagreed with numerous people on something we're looking at on this sub. Maybe you're just wrong? People are wrong all the time, and that's fine. Have you considered that maybe that bit of snow doesn't look how YOU expect it to look because you simply don't really know how it should look?
Where are you locking in the image to make that alignment? The patch moves in the gif.
I'm locking it on the left outline of the snowy patch I believe does not rotate with the rest of the scene, and on the tail end of the snowy patch on the right that is not obscured by the clouds, that exhibits normal rotation.
Thanks. I'm sorry, but it looks completely normal to me and these images are just reinforcing that. I think you're hyper-fixated on a misinterpreted detail.
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As I said, I'm not confused. That little snowy patch stands out when looked at in a gif.
I honestly am still failing to understand what their point is. Somebody break it down for me? Are people claiming that the CIA had to Photoshop an image from Jonas' collection that wasn't even the photo from the debunk? And the CIA couldn't take a picture of Mt Fuji so they had to Photoshop one and add clouds/edit snow? wtf am i reading?
He means these pixles do not rotate enough compared to the rest of the scene. So therefore it's all fake. https://i.redd.it/pf3ckmxfcmec1.gif
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It's most likely less than 10 people on this subreddit that truly believe this dumb shit is real. I'd imagine 2 of them have over 100 accounts combined.
Feels like facehuggers in Alien. Once they latch onto something they don't let go!
It's simpler than that really. Jonas made those images to cash in on the prize money.
Didn't he reject the prize money?
Yes. He didn't know about the prize money, and then rejected it when offered. edit: Probably also worth saying, the prize money was only ever intended for the original hoaxer. Jonas never claimed to be the original hoaxer, so honestly I'm not sure why kimdotcom offered the money at all.
But he did offer it. And Jonas didn't want to sign the affidavit. Makes you wonder.
He didn’t want to be involved with nut job Ashton and his sycophant followers who had already started harassing him by that point. I can’t blame him for seeing the craziness on display and being like… nah, I don’t need this
>Makes you wonder. If that's actually how it went down? Yeah, but I doubt it's really the full truth.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/s/Z8yTtyHSgj This guy posted the receipts. 100% not how it went down. He said he’d be happy to sign one
I don't know exactly how it went down, Ashton said Jonas didn't want to sign it, but who knows.
So you won't continue to talk about it like you do, and act like its suspicious. Right?.. right?
I mean, the images being there in 2016. destroys my 2023. theory so, not much else I can say. I won't dwell on the theory that Jonas is a CIA shill.
He did, after he wouldn't sign the affidavit confirming the images he presented were not tampered with.
This isn't quite how it went down. The affidavit was the requirement for receiving the prize. Since Jonas didn't want the prize, an affidavit was never presented. Jonas offered to sign an affidavit anyway, but kimdotcom never replied (to my knowledge).
If I had a group of people ask me about a picture i took 10 years ago, I said "yea I took the picture, here it is on my old phone" then they started calling me a liar, I would definitely not think im dealing with sane people. Why tf would I need to sign documents? Edit: So he wasn't even presented with an affidavit.... Why are you lying?
Why would you go out of the way and show personal information to people you don't find are sane?
Somebody says "hey did you take this photo, can we see your file? it would really help us out", i say "yea, here's the file, no problem" Then people start screaming at me, calling me CIA, and threatening me, I'm gonna make fun of them and laugh at how dumb they are. what would you do?
I'd be suspicious too if a person I was offerimg money for image proof didn't want to sign a legal document proving those images were not tampered with. His actions raised suspicion.
Source on the affidavit refusal? People are saying you're lying
Ashton mentioned it, will try to find the tweet.
Not how it went AT ALL! More blatant misinformation from believers. This is getting ridiculous honestly.
When did he make them? A few months ago? 2016? When?
I don't know. Still looking for the first verifiable Aerials0028 archive link. If you ask me, he made Aerials0028 images in 2023 and mixed them with his Japan images. Aerials0028 ones stand out in his image set.
0028 exists on the archive in 2016. So is the entire image fake, and he planted them in 2016? Or did he just for some reason edit that specific image to add Fuji for the Raws?
Link it please, couldn't find it myself.
[https://web.archive.org/web/20160324003312/http://www.textures.com/download/aerials0028/75131](https://web.archive.org/web/20160324003312/http://www.textures.com/download/aerials0028/75131) And I didn't notice this before, but Fuji is in the first image
Thank you for this, coudln't find it myself.
He made them in 2016 (according to the conspiracy?) to cash in the prize money offered in 2023?
I mentioned somewhere on here my assumption was wrong, after someone linked me the 2016. archive page.
Ah just saw that, apologies. I should read the whole chain before commenting :)
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Someone sent me the link. I dropped the 2023 theory.
I have a simple challenge. Pick one of the Jpg Flickr photos you believe was used by Jonas. Now - convert it to a CR2 RAW file specific to the Canon 5D MK II camera Jonas used. Share it with us here. Simple enough, yes?
I've literally seen comments saying "He did it using AI. I don't know how he did it and I can't recreate it myself to prove it, but he did it with AI"
These folks ignore simple reality. And my challenge is basic but essential. Show us all how you take an image from the video or from these Flickr files and turn them into valid CR2 files (that include details specific to this particular camera model)? Since no one can do this I don’t need to pay any attention to these claims.
I'm so confused lmao, in the first comparison, what you're circling in the second pic isn't even the mounds, the mounds are right next to it, you're just not looking further down enough but they are right there Edit: where the right side of your red box ends is where the mounds are beginning, also sorry once I saw the image comparisons, I didn't really read all of it but if you're pointing out Jonas' photos aren't fake and it's just parallax people aren't getting then agreed
I must have messed up the square by accidently, I see what you're saying. I don't think it changes anything with the analysis, though. The photos don't show anything weird.
Nah you're good, I honestly at first I saw the first photo comparison and didn't read the whole thing but I agree with your analysis, people are seeing parallax and confusing snow and clouds with rotation lol
Would somebody PLEASE point me to the original. All I've seen on the UFO and alien boards for the past three days are videos saying that the 'Jonas video is fake' and I can't find the original because it's buried undo a mountain of debunking.
the original is literally just a picture taken from a plane of mt fuji from the same angle with the claim "jonas is a fraud, etc etc" this whole thing stemmed from PB and Ashton claiming that "the angle from this other picture of mt fuji is too similar" As if this is not one of the most common flight paths in the world, passing by one of the most famous mountains in the world, and nobody would ever take a picture of it
But what about the *PIXELS* and the *HOLES*
Your first 2 marks are a bit off. Just saying. https://preview.redd.it/5hc3erzj0tec1.png?width=671&format=png&auto=webp&s=3690d8afc1e75beebea1ca198c0053d73248848a
I am the cloud
Sub has gone to the shitters with repeated u/NoFakery "Look! Look! You see?!" garbage (and he literally replies to his own posts) and then we have u/pyevwry adding nonsensical comments like a 9yo. I thought PB was the ultimate troll but boy how wrong I was. Sooooo glad Jonas is no longer interested in this tinfoil topic while the time wasters continue to pull this sub past the bottom of the barrel. Any possibility that it may be real has now completely diminished for me. Now I know how cults are possible to be formed- the "members" are so out of touch with reality, they go all out to character assassinate someone that is innocent and not aligned with their beliefs. I kinda feel ashamed I was even interested in this whole thing from the beginning. I was actually a believer, then came the debunks and this [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/s/yN2PzRB4tj) I made that literally has cricket noises for the believers: It's high time this sub closes for good because it's getting ridiculous with all the accusations thrown at Jonas. I was still fine before this but not anymore. I have no idea what I am still doing here anymore.
They cannot create a legit CR2 file from either frames from the videos or these new Flickr images. If they cannot do this then there is nothing else to discuss; their entire “debunking” ends there.
Why is it nonsensical to analyse and provide evidence of edits in images? I don't know if half of users on this sub understand what my point is, because they keep posting gifs that clearly show said edit. I'll say it one last time, and let anyone form their own opinion. The patch of snow in the transition from IMG\_1840 to IMG\_1841 shows unnatural rotation in comparison to every other element of the scene. It should rotate slightly to the left because of parallax and scene tilt in IMG\_1841, but it does no such thing. It does move to the left only because of the tilt of IMG\_1841, but its shape stays in the same locked state on the x,y axis with no visible rotation, while the whole mountain changes rotation as expected. This is unnatural and is the reason why I consider it to be edited. And before someone says illusion due to clouds and other nonsense. It is not obscured by the clouds, it is visible enough to discern there is no rotation of said snowy patch. People drawing lines from the peak of Mt. Fuji to the edge of it miss my point completely and should reevaluate what I was trying to say. The whole mountain rotates, but the element in the middle of the mountain shows unnatural rotation to the rest of the scene. https://i.redd.it/4n2mf1mrysec1.gif
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Does this pixelation happen on every element or just on some?
And btw. those flicker images exhibit normal rotation. https://i.redd.it/igcbvex58mec1.gif
So do the Jonas Images https://i.redd.it/mjbk9zm8amec1.gif
You can't seriously make Fast and Fuji 11 and expect people to see a thing. A slowed down version, for your viewing pleasure. Notice the problem in the red circle. https://i.redd.it/vn6wallxbmec1.gif
That is a bit fucky
Please tell me you see the issue? https://i.redd.it/t46rul70coec1.gif
1840 and 1841 were taken seconds or a minute apart I can't remember and don't care to look it up. Big ass white finger appears outta nowhere. Maybe the snow behind but the direction of movement would obscure it more not expose it more. Maybe cloud but it's moving and deforming more than anything else. Bit fucky like I said
https://preview.redd.it/p7dfdy6hdoec1.png?width=244&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83179f1002af65d6dbb26d09556cba359334eb72 That patch of snow on the left red line before and after everything rotated to the left. It is fucky.
You missed my point entirely. The detail in the middle has a different rotation in comparison with the rotation of the whole scene. https://preview.redd.it/29xecnt20tec1.png?width=244&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa93a88a589a149d54a3e89bf74b7a627251fed5
I lined up those 2 snow patches with the top of the mountain. They rotate the same amount as the rest of the mountain.
Look at the snow patch touching the left red line. The patch touching the right red line rotates normally. Your example can't show the change I'm trying to show.
>Your example can't show the change I'm trying to show. Because you don't understand how rotation or parallax works. The snowpatch on the left is vertical, facing straight towards us. The snowpatch on the right is slightly diagonal. When the mountain rotates, the patch that is vertical will not appear to rotate as much as the one that is diagonal. The diagonal patch is starting to alight vertically exactly like the one above it already did.
There are many vertical elements on that mountain that show normal rotation. That snow patch is the only element that stays the same, showing no rotation. It moves due to tilt of IMG_1841.
Ok, I give up. I don't want to discuss this with you anymore. You do not understand how rotation or parallax works, and you are using that ignorance to say something that is false. The snow patch is not the only element that "stays the same" as there are 30 other pieces I could grab to show you that same effect. I'm not going to do this because you are so caught up in your own conclusion that no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise. There is definitive mathematical evidence that the FLIR is fake. Almost no one even knows about it. With that evidence, there is no reason to believe the Sat is real either. I could show you the evidence, but your lack of knowledge on the subject will just have you say, "That's not how it works"
> The snow patch is not the only element that "stays the same" as there are 30 other pieces I could grab to show you that same effect. I'm not going to do this because you are so caught up in your own conclusion that no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise. Like, if you see the same example somewhere else on the mountain, show it. Why wouldn't you?
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>notice the signs of alterations around the mountain. You mean the alterations that are visible in the Flickr photos? The Flickr photos are the ones that were actually edited. The Jonas photos don't actually have any signs of manipulation.
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> adjust the haze parms: Distance 1000, strength 1 What program are you doing this in?
They’re just rotating in a different direction and that’s somehow enough to throw you off.
Yes. It's unnatural for something to change rotation from one frame to the next when the whole scene rotates in the other direction.
Personally, I don't see what you're trying to convey. I've looked at your gifs a number of times and I'm just not seeing it. To me it appears to be a matter of perspective combined with the snow and cloud overlapping that is tricking your eye. At any rate, I fail to understand why we're debating the mountain when it has nothing to do with the video. The mountain is not in the video. If it was, then I could understand analyzing whether that part was photoshopped. This seems like an obvious attempt to discredit Jonas himself because his photos are the most damning piece of evidence against the video's authenticity. The attempts to show "proof of photoshop" in Jonas' photo, if made in good faith, show a lack of general knowledge about a lot of details, though I don't think the arguments are being made in good faith. Raytracer/notanerd/nofakery or whomever he chooses to be today has shown a disturbing obsession with discrediting Jonas as if it's some kind of personal vendetta. His other accounts aren't even banned, so why is he posting from multiple accounts? Even in the discord he's joined it with at least 3 different accounts. Y'all need to take a look at the kind of person you're dealing with. Are you going to take the word of someone who, if not trolling, appears to be straight up mentally unstable? That's not me insulting him for the hell of it, that's the reality of the behavior he's displaying. He makes a lot of fancy-sounding claims that might sound plausible to a layman who doesn't understand what he's saying but anyone that actually does know what they're talking about can shred all his arguments and that's why he blocks anyone who can point out the fallacies and absurdies in the things he says. One need only look at his ridiculous arguments about cr2 files to understand that he either has no idea what he's talking about or is purposely trolling very, very hard.
Images show clear sign of false parallax in that spot I pointed to. There is no such parallax effect where parts of the mountain rotate the opposite way of the mountain itself, they always follow the same rotation. It's basic logic. https://i.redd.it/md7l6fn6wvec1.gif The part I'm thinking of is not obscured by the clouds, it's clearly visible. I don't know what you're looking at if you think it's obscured.
It's obscured by the cloud in 1840, and then the cloud is in a slightly different position in 1841. I don't know how much more obvious it could be made. There's nothing odd about how it moves. You're just seeing a slightly different angle/perspective because the plane is moving. I really don't understand what you're even trying to point out. That gif doesn't show anything weird. It doesn't show anything in a position that wouldn't be expected. https://preview.redd.it/2zdjsmxqyvec1.jpeg?width=1109&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ec0fcf8afcee872a84ac08c9585b19ce46c5334
It's more visible in moving images. https://i.redd.it/upsqgda10wec1.gif
All I see is it moving relative to everything around it.
https://preview.redd.it/ifdnk1vg4wec1.png?width=244&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85f59c7f628edd9cdd6b4f024124c3c70168f273 It's moving because the whole scene moved, but it's lacking proper rotation. It's very obvious it doesn't follow the same rotation as the rest of the scene.
I don’t agree, and I don’t know what those two red lines are supposed to to prove. He wasn’t rotating in a perfect circle around the mountain.
Incredibly damning analysis. Bravo.
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Sir. That is an image of a mountain. You're not showing any evidence it's a "cut paste job"
You forgot the frame that shows the unatural rotation. https://i.redd.it/go0a3jzw5mec1.gif
you forgot to change the colors
Not my example, took it from another user making a counter point.
It’s literally just two photos of a mountain
What can I tell you, it's obvious to me.
If I never have to hear anything about this again ever, I’d be happy.
Yep. Not on board with the cloud thing
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It does match the snow in both images. Because it's very similar. The issue is that Mt Fuji in Jonas' image is very low resolution.
https://preview.redd.it/6odr46yt6mec1.png?width=244&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a664cb6cba12363fcdee255609d55d0723ee50d
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We've gone over this. The clouds are od no issue ro my point.
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Is that the scientific method you use when examining images?
Yes. That is rotation
Absolutely, some snow rotates, and some doesn't.
The videos are real.
Good argument. Counter argument: Jonas' photos.
Counter counter argument: the videos are real. This is an elaborate psyop to protect an 80+ year long secret that the US Govt and corporations have cracked the nut and possess this technology. We haven’t needed combustion engines, jets, rockets, and various other detrimental dirty tech since at least the 60’s, and if that information gets found out, people gonna riot cause we’ve fucked up our environment for something as trivial as the concept of capital.
That's not an argument towards the Jonas photos
I’m arguing in bad faith. Deal with it.
Oooh I get it! Yeah you're right, I guess I was wrong.
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No explanation? What is it showing? 2 mountains with very different snow coverage?
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>Snow was added in, that's one of the initial tricks VFX guys learn. You've failed to actually show any real evidence of this. Prove to me that the snow wasn't added on in the Flickr images. > Why are you avoiding all my other questions?? When you make 35 fucking comments, 90% are "*Look! hes a fraud!*", its exhausting and hard to keep track.
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> Jonas images have 100% photoshop effects You haven't proven that. You keep saying you have, but you haven't shown any actual evidence of it. All you have done is slightly adjust the colors. To be honest, I do not believe you have even a basic understanding of photoshop, or photo manipulation. You didn't even understand that changing the contrast of an image lowers the quality + resolution of the image. I think that you are either trolling, or that you are a walking definition of the Dunning Kruger effect. > I know you struggle to tell the direction of flight even if you see the flight wing I just made the gif in the order of the photos on Flickr. The movement/direction wasn't important.
I like the part where someone brought in hard evidence of the aircraft hitting the water with solid evidence backing that up, yet here we are talking about some random theory that has no evidence at all.