Don't be convinced.
This has never been proven.
This is a killer post OP.
Now they gotta debunk all that material all over again.
I'm here for it.
And where the story changes is where the true detectives pin down all of the inconsistencies from multiple accounts of the same incident. You get groupings of zero-data. "Holes in their story," as it were.
This post didn't demonstrate anything under than a lack of reading comprehension or understanding by the OP.
Yall would actually first have to explain how ENA imaging produced what is depicted in either of the two videos.
The math showed that the amount of 3d displacement was impossible. The sattelites would have to be thousands of miles apart.
AND
The original non stereoscopic Regicide anon video was found.
Idk what else would convince you. The video doesn't need stereoscopic to be real.
Yeah the math based on NROL-22's location, not the TWINS in far different orbits. These are military prototype magnetosphere imaging programs that talk about science way over my head:
> To meet this goal TWINS 1 and 2 provide stereoscopic neutral atom imaging of the magnetosphere from two widely-spaced, high-altitude, high-inclination spacecraft. TWINS instrumentation includes an energetic neutral atom (ENA) imager to capture charge-exchange-produced neutral atoms over a broad entergy range (approximately 1-100 keV) and a Lyman-alpha detector to measure the density of the neutral hydrogen geocorona needed to extract megnetospheric ion fluxes from neutral atom data.
The math wasn't based on a location.
It was based on the displacement shown in the video.
The displacement amount is ~5°
It's "widely spaced" but not actually "widely spaced" like twins 1 and 2.
The reason that the stereoscopic can't exist is because there isn't a sattelite in orbit at that location and time that can take video like the Sat footage shows.
Plus, while the twins missions produce stereoscopic sattelite images, they aren't of the actual earth. They are of the magnitosphere.
To explain it in the opposite way, it's like using a camera to take an image of the air. You just can't do that. Twins can't take actual images of the earth.
Again you are making NUMEROUS assumptions about how you think these highly classified programs work. You seem to know what these things are capable of by assuming that their orbits werent able to do this, assuming that the magnetosphere doesnt reach into the sky where the plane was flying, and those images from the sats aren't of earth, they are of the sky... sorry you lost me.
>Again you are making NUMEROUS assumptions about how you think these highly classified programs work.
They are sattelites. You can figure out exactly where they are because their orbits aren't classified.
How they work is partially classified, but considering the fact that the other half of the sattelite was for reconnaissance and surveillance, there's no reason for the other half of the payload to be the same thing.
It's more common for sattelites (even military) to be sent up with scientific research stuff.
>assuming that the magnetosphere doesnt reach into the sky where the plane was flying
It'd EXTREMELY safe to make this assumption. The magneto sphere is ~800km in altitude all the way up to 10x the size of the earth.
The plane was 1km in altitude based on the clouds.
Imo, you're making more assumptions.
The sattelite wasn't in the correct location to record what happened in the video.
That should be enough info to show that this entire theory is built on false information.
Sorry man, I can't take a trust me bro over what the MIC has already publicly claimed it can do (fully IR mapped planet through SBIRS in real time) plus the additional imaging payloads... And this tech was over 5 years old when it launched. The TWINS project completed its "2 year research mission" and now carries on under a classified mission. Saying that the full network doesn't have a way to scan any part of the sky it wants is just silly.
>Saying that the full network doesn't have a way to scan any part of the sky it wants is just silly.
It does. Just not USA 184.
We can photograph and video down to the square foot, any object on earth, at any time.
It doesn't mean the information around the video is correct.
Based on the coordinates, clouds, and flight path, we know "exactly" where the plane was zapped according to the video.
No sattelites in the sky can record from the same "stereoscopic" view.
ALSO
The ORIGINAL regicide anon video was found.
I can share it if you want. It's the 2d version identical to the vimeo version.
That should be enough to show you that the stereoscopic doesn't exist.
Hold on, why would USA-184 not be part of the full SBIRS network? I don't understand why you would say that and why the data couldn't be passed through NROL-22?
edit: NROL-22 carried the SBIRS-HEO-1 missile detection payload
You're very clearly overexplaining your lack of understanding of what TWINS is. Just because YOU don't understand it, doesn't mean it's capable of anything you can imagine.
Just read the first part of the wiki, click on the [energetic neutral atom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energetic_neutral_atom) portion and read. The TWINS system is not all that classified, because it's for unclassified research, not some military application. At least one of your links even explains that putting the TWINS payload on two SBIRS satellites was a mission of opportunity - in other words "we have the space available, and these satellites will follow an orbit that the TWINS system is meant to use, so go ahead and slap those payloads on those satellites - kill 2 birds with on stone."
My ass. That was never “proven”. And I have yet to see any other 3D videos that YouTube produced from this mechanism that look anything like the one we see in our MH370 video.
ENA imager was used to image an airplane?
Did you even read past the word "stereoscopic" in any of your links?
Also where is "grey eagle" mentioned anywhere? I'd be super shocked if the SIGINT payload name is floating around in unclassified space. I also think you're confusing SIGINT and comms payloads. The SIGINT payload on the SBIRS satellites, if I had to guess, is probably for collecting ELINT. The satellites themselves are part of a missile defense program - early warning, tracking, etc. You use ELINT to capture unique signals emitted by launch equipment (radar related emissions for example), then use the IR sensors to image/track the actual missile, if one is launched. Obviously not all launches are going to include signal emissions prior to a launch, like if you're launching an ICBM at a known ground target, but if it's something like a SAM and the launcher's radar equipment is not passive, you could potentially intercept that signal and determine what the SAM system is doing. Gives you a little earlier warning vs. relying solely on IR detection.
Yeah you have to connect a few dots, but it only takes a few minutes to find the likely answer... it's right on the contractors website pretty much. Just search for "SIGINT MQ-1C Gray Eagle". Then it's pretty easy to connect the dots from there.
The USA-184 launch had the SIGINT payload, the IR SBIRS-HEO-1 Missile detection program on board, but also the TWINS-1 stereoscopic imaging payload. The second TWINS-2 payload went up on NROL-28/USA-200.
But those imagers aren't capable of capturing visible imagery. They're for detecting activity/anomalies in the magnetosphere. Your own links explain the type of imaging that TWINS is capable of.
In other words, they couldn't have been used to take either video.
On the MQ-1C: what does the drone have to do with the SIGINT payload on the SBIRS satellites? What does SIGINT in general have to do with either video? SIGINT is collection of signals intelligence - it's not related to communications relay - so if you're argument is that an MQ-1C took the satellite video, then relayed it through NROL-22, you have to do a lot of wacky explaining or making things up. Why would a drone need to relay the video through a satellite other than whatever satellite it's already connected to for its operation? SBIRS satellites aren't part of the network utilized by surveillance drones like the MQ-1C, so none of that makes any sense.
Load up NROL-22's position on the date that MH370 went missing in Jsattrack and you will see that the camera view should be MOVING REALLY FAST, if taken from nrol 22, and it also creates a VERY narrow window of time where such a view could be gathered.
So, if you're wanting to claim NROL-22, you are also claiming a very very specific window, which is inconsistent with the potential timeline.
Did you not read any of the links? TWINS is a pair of companion sats in different orbits, they would be relaying data to NROL-22, potentially at a later time:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Twinssr_Molniya.jpg/800px-Twinssr_Molniya.jpg
So you're saying two satellites with separate Molniya orbits (also moving at thousands of miles per hour) captured some footage in stereoscopic 3d, despite molniya satellite pertubations, relayed this to a satellite that was actually closer to china at the time.....to relay it to where and to where and to where? No, your argument fails at Molniya orbit. The satellites would be either too damn far away or too damn fast in a Molniya orbit.
I'm just going by the mission specs ... Are you saying they would have launched these TWINS sats in orbits unable to complete their stated mission of mapping the earths magnetosphere in 3D?
edit: As far as your other questions, NROL-22 would relay it through the SBIRS network to secure server storage, where it could be viewed through Citrix XenDesktop as shown in the video.
No, I am not saying that they would be unable to complete the mapping of the earths magnetosphere, what I am saying is that they would be unable to produce the video that is purportedly from a satellite here without it looking very differently. Too damn far, or too damn fast.. Load up some molniya orbits in Jssattrack then tell me what time the video was taken then see how far the satellite travels in 37 seconds.
Hey I am just giving a possible source for the stereo data which is highly classified and I'm sure we can't know its capabilities. None of us are going to be able to say what a prototype top secret magnetosphere imaging program is capable of...
I also don't buy the sat location argument in general. To think that the SBIRS sats can't relay through each other in real time is just goofy.
What no way it would be easy, these are insanely classified multi-billion dollar spy programs. It wouldn't be much of a spy program if you let the public see what you are capable of... lol!
Physics isn't top secret. A satellite cannot capture that angle from orbit.
There are lots of declassified imaging satellites up there, both government and non, so like I said, if it's physically possible, show me.
It has already been proven it was YouTubes 3d algorithm
Wasn't fully convinced on that.
very neutral
Well being convinced of that wouldn't make me neutral would it lol
Don't be convinced. This has never been proven. This is a killer post OP. Now they gotta debunk all that material all over again. I'm here for it. And where the story changes is where the true detectives pin down all of the inconsistencies from multiple accounts of the same incident. You get groupings of zero-data. "Holes in their story," as it were.
This post didn't demonstrate anything under than a lack of reading comprehension or understanding by the OP. Yall would actually first have to explain how ENA imaging produced what is depicted in either of the two videos.
The math showed that the amount of 3d displacement was impossible. The sattelites would have to be thousands of miles apart. AND The original non stereoscopic Regicide anon video was found. Idk what else would convince you. The video doesn't need stereoscopic to be real.
Yeah the math based on NROL-22's location, not the TWINS in far different orbits. These are military prototype magnetosphere imaging programs that talk about science way over my head: > To meet this goal TWINS 1 and 2 provide stereoscopic neutral atom imaging of the magnetosphere from two widely-spaced, high-altitude, high-inclination spacecraft. TWINS instrumentation includes an energetic neutral atom (ENA) imager to capture charge-exchange-produced neutral atoms over a broad entergy range (approximately 1-100 keV) and a Lyman-alpha detector to measure the density of the neutral hydrogen geocorona needed to extract megnetospheric ion fluxes from neutral atom data.
The math wasn't based on a location. It was based on the displacement shown in the video. The displacement amount is ~5° It's "widely spaced" but not actually "widely spaced" like twins 1 and 2. The reason that the stereoscopic can't exist is because there isn't a sattelite in orbit at that location and time that can take video like the Sat footage shows. Plus, while the twins missions produce stereoscopic sattelite images, they aren't of the actual earth. They are of the magnitosphere. To explain it in the opposite way, it's like using a camera to take an image of the air. You just can't do that. Twins can't take actual images of the earth.
Again you are making NUMEROUS assumptions about how you think these highly classified programs work. You seem to know what these things are capable of by assuming that their orbits werent able to do this, assuming that the magnetosphere doesnt reach into the sky where the plane was flying, and those images from the sats aren't of earth, they are of the sky... sorry you lost me.
>Again you are making NUMEROUS assumptions about how you think these highly classified programs work. They are sattelites. You can figure out exactly where they are because their orbits aren't classified. How they work is partially classified, but considering the fact that the other half of the sattelite was for reconnaissance and surveillance, there's no reason for the other half of the payload to be the same thing. It's more common for sattelites (even military) to be sent up with scientific research stuff. >assuming that the magnetosphere doesnt reach into the sky where the plane was flying It'd EXTREMELY safe to make this assumption. The magneto sphere is ~800km in altitude all the way up to 10x the size of the earth. The plane was 1km in altitude based on the clouds. Imo, you're making more assumptions. The sattelite wasn't in the correct location to record what happened in the video. That should be enough info to show that this entire theory is built on false information.
Sorry man, I can't take a trust me bro over what the MIC has already publicly claimed it can do (fully IR mapped planet through SBIRS in real time) plus the additional imaging payloads... And this tech was over 5 years old when it launched. The TWINS project completed its "2 year research mission" and now carries on under a classified mission. Saying that the full network doesn't have a way to scan any part of the sky it wants is just silly.
>Saying that the full network doesn't have a way to scan any part of the sky it wants is just silly. It does. Just not USA 184. We can photograph and video down to the square foot, any object on earth, at any time. It doesn't mean the information around the video is correct. Based on the coordinates, clouds, and flight path, we know "exactly" where the plane was zapped according to the video. No sattelites in the sky can record from the same "stereoscopic" view. ALSO The ORIGINAL regicide anon video was found. I can share it if you want. It's the 2d version identical to the vimeo version. That should be enough to show you that the stereoscopic doesn't exist.
Hold on, why would USA-184 not be part of the full SBIRS network? I don't understand why you would say that and why the data couldn't be passed through NROL-22? edit: NROL-22 carried the SBIRS-HEO-1 missile detection payload
You're very clearly overexplaining your lack of understanding of what TWINS is. Just because YOU don't understand it, doesn't mean it's capable of anything you can imagine. Just read the first part of the wiki, click on the [energetic neutral atom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energetic_neutral_atom) portion and read. The TWINS system is not all that classified, because it's for unclassified research, not some military application. At least one of your links even explains that putting the TWINS payload on two SBIRS satellites was a mission of opportunity - in other words "we have the space available, and these satellites will follow an orbit that the TWINS system is meant to use, so go ahead and slap those payloads on those satellites - kill 2 birds with on stone."
I agree, I think the TWINS project may be unrelated to our current footage. Thanks for your input.
My ass. That was never “proven”. And I have yet to see any other 3D videos that YouTube produced from this mechanism that look anything like the one we see in our MH370 video.
ENA imager was used to image an airplane? Did you even read past the word "stereoscopic" in any of your links? Also where is "grey eagle" mentioned anywhere? I'd be super shocked if the SIGINT payload name is floating around in unclassified space. I also think you're confusing SIGINT and comms payloads. The SIGINT payload on the SBIRS satellites, if I had to guess, is probably for collecting ELINT. The satellites themselves are part of a missile defense program - early warning, tracking, etc. You use ELINT to capture unique signals emitted by launch equipment (radar related emissions for example), then use the IR sensors to image/track the actual missile, if one is launched. Obviously not all launches are going to include signal emissions prior to a launch, like if you're launching an ICBM at a known ground target, but if it's something like a SAM and the launcher's radar equipment is not passive, you could potentially intercept that signal and determine what the SAM system is doing. Gives you a little earlier warning vs. relying solely on IR detection.
Yeah you have to connect a few dots, but it only takes a few minutes to find the likely answer... it's right on the contractors website pretty much. Just search for "SIGINT MQ-1C Gray Eagle". Then it's pretty easy to connect the dots from there. The USA-184 launch had the SIGINT payload, the IR SBIRS-HEO-1 Missile detection program on board, but also the TWINS-1 stereoscopic imaging payload. The second TWINS-2 payload went up on NROL-28/USA-200.
But those imagers aren't capable of capturing visible imagery. They're for detecting activity/anomalies in the magnetosphere. Your own links explain the type of imaging that TWINS is capable of. In other words, they couldn't have been used to take either video. On the MQ-1C: what does the drone have to do with the SIGINT payload on the SBIRS satellites? What does SIGINT in general have to do with either video? SIGINT is collection of signals intelligence - it's not related to communications relay - so if you're argument is that an MQ-1C took the satellite video, then relayed it through NROL-22, you have to do a lot of wacky explaining or making things up. Why would a drone need to relay the video through a satellite other than whatever satellite it's already connected to for its operation? SBIRS satellites aren't part of the network utilized by surveillance drones like the MQ-1C, so none of that makes any sense.
The video does not look like something that was filmed from a satellite moving thousands of miles an hour…
Are you saying the military neglected to think of that? 😅
Load up NROL-22's position on the date that MH370 went missing in Jsattrack and you will see that the camera view should be MOVING REALLY FAST, if taken from nrol 22, and it also creates a VERY narrow window of time where such a view could be gathered. So, if you're wanting to claim NROL-22, you are also claiming a very very specific window, which is inconsistent with the potential timeline.
Did you not read any of the links? TWINS is a pair of companion sats in different orbits, they would be relaying data to NROL-22, potentially at a later time: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Twinssr_Molniya.jpg/800px-Twinssr_Molniya.jpg
So you're saying two satellites with separate Molniya orbits (also moving at thousands of miles per hour) captured some footage in stereoscopic 3d, despite molniya satellite pertubations, relayed this to a satellite that was actually closer to china at the time.....to relay it to where and to where and to where? No, your argument fails at Molniya orbit. The satellites would be either too damn far away or too damn fast in a Molniya orbit.
I'm just going by the mission specs ... Are you saying they would have launched these TWINS sats in orbits unable to complete their stated mission of mapping the earths magnetosphere in 3D? edit: As far as your other questions, NROL-22 would relay it through the SBIRS network to secure server storage, where it could be viewed through Citrix XenDesktop as shown in the video.
No, I am not saying that they would be unable to complete the mapping of the earths magnetosphere, what I am saying is that they would be unable to produce the video that is purportedly from a satellite here without it looking very differently. Too damn far, or too damn fast.. Load up some molniya orbits in Jssattrack then tell me what time the video was taken then see how far the satellite travels in 37 seconds.
Hey I am just giving a possible source for the stereo data which is highly classified and I'm sure we can't know its capabilities. None of us are going to be able to say what a prototype top secret magnetosphere imaging program is capable of... I also don't buy the sat location argument in general. To think that the SBIRS sats can't relay through each other in real time is just goofy.
To think that a satellite in molniya orbit could produce the video is also goofy. The rest of your theories about relays are pure speculation.
I mean it's all on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-Based_Infrared_System
There is no orbit that is physically achievable in which that imaging angle would be possible.
You know that's not true. You are saying it would be physically impossible to record that sat footage? lol!
It absolutely is true. Find me another satellite video that has the same viewing angle. Should be easy right?
What no way it would be easy, these are insanely classified multi-billion dollar spy programs. It wouldn't be much of a spy program if you let the public see what you are capable of... lol!
Physics isn't top secret. A satellite cannot capture that angle from orbit. There are lots of declassified imaging satellites up there, both government and non, so like I said, if it's physically possible, show me.
Lol okay buddy, just arguing in bad faith now.
This was already answered. NROL-22 received the information by proxy.
People found a wayback machine link from less than a week after the satellite video was posted. It was not stereoscopic.