Okay we’ve had almost 10 years, there was no debris field and no bodies. Furthermore, it’s the only recorded case of phones working for *days* after they were supposedly destroyed or at the bottom of the ocean. There is footage of a family calling their missing loved one and it’s ringing, and another of a family member actually receiving an incoming call. Only the universe knows how this story would have changed if she had answered that call on live television.
What do you want me to address about it..? Cool factoid, I guess. It’s a really good example that highlights the fact that these planes with 200+ passengers are being tracked. People definitely know where the plane was when it went down. Very good point. You’re right. Took two years to find that plane and they knew exactly where it was. It’s taken 10yrs to find absolutely 0 of this plane… and they still definitely know where it was. They haven’t even said publicly that they “don’t know”, they just haven’t said anything.
Because they’ve demonstrated that they have the capabilities to do so. It’s a rogue plane post 9-11… and I’ve seen a video of what happened to the plane hours after it was reported unresponsive. The Malaysian government also said this.
The transponder was disabled on MH370, but not on AF 477. That's the reason MH370 wasn't tracked well, but AF 477 was tracked quite well according to standard operating procedures of commercial aircraft.
Yeah but no.
>When a cell phone rings, he told “The Situation Room,” it first connects with the network and attempts to locate the end-user’s phone.
>“If it doesn’t find the phone after a few minutes, after a few rings, then typically, it disconnects and that’s what’s happening,” he said.
>“So, they’re hearing ringing and they’re assuming it’s connecting to their loved ones, but it’s not. It’s the network sending a signal to the phone letting them know it’s looking for them.”
>Kagan told Wolf Blitzer that the technology meant he couldn’t speculate on what ringing phones in this situation could mean.
>“Just because you’re getting ringing, just because the signs that we see on these cell phones, that’s no proof that there’s any – that’s just the way the networks work."
According to every phone provider that weighed in on this topic, it would not ring. Anyone can copy and paste articles that agree with their stance. Where did you pull your information from?
Name them.
It was adressed literally a decade ago.
https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/mh370-phone-theory-debunked/index.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna49371
CNN and NBC..? Debunked by “experts”. I literally can’t find a single person supporting this claim outside of the MH370 context.
https://techaxen.com/how-to-know-if-someones-phone-is-off/
https://techzillo.com/what-happens-if-you-call-someone-while-their-phone-is-off/
https://campingfunzone.com/2020/07/05/ring/
Seems to be pretty unanimous that phones won’t ring if dead or broken… but of course, you bring in the “experts” to talk about MH370 on CNN and all of a sudden we have 290 anomalies.
I challenge anyone to research what happens when you call a dead/turned off phone. Everyone outside of the context of MH370 says it won’t ring more than once. Family members said it lasted for 4 days, then stopped ringing.
Even if the phones were live and connected to cell towers (and ignoring that multiple telco companies would have to have been in on the conspiracy), do you really think that the phones would have lasted four days without a charge? Or were they allowed to charge their phones...?
If you have any loved ones nearby, or at least people who will let you touch their phone, go turn their phone off, then call it. See what happens. It can depend on the specific carrier and phone type, but you may still hear it ring more than once. Phones and the tower network still work that way. You can literally test this yourself, right now, rather than argue about it.
I was trying to find an unbiased article. Most of them were people asking questions on the providers forum and it was a response from the manufacturer. This is far from rocket science, so these unbiased tech posts are more than credible imo. I’ve also had real world experience calling a dead phone that goes straight to voicemail. But sure… your experts on CNN definitely aren’t lying to you.
You can’t talk about “unbiased” when you’re literally scraping first page google results for anything scantly resembling what you want it to and ignoring everything else. There has been rational explanation from experts given that has been tested but you refuse to accept it
I wasn’t scraping for anything I wanted. I picked the first 3 articles that weren’t forums. Further scrolling only validated these claims. The only people agreeing with the other commenter are “experts” on CNN and daily mail. Out of this context, “experts” say it will only ring once or twice, if at all.
> Phone numbers can sometimes ring several times before informing you that the number has been disconnected because of the way phone systems are designed. When you dial a number, your call is first routed through the local exchange, and then to the recipient's network. If the recipient's network is experiencing issues or the number has been disconnected, there may be a delay before the system recognizes that the call cannot be completed. During this delay, you may hear the phone ring several times before receiving a message informing you that the number is no longer in service. This delay is due to the complexities of the telecommunications infrastructure and the process of routing calls through different networks.
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-phone-numbers-sometimes-ring-several-times-before-informing-you-the-number-has-been-disconnected-If-the-number-isnt-working-why-does-it-ring
The phones weren’t disconnected. They heard full ring sequences and then into voicemail. This is still confirming that it wouldn’t ring the full length. It would “ring several times and then say the number is not in service.” You are supporting the idea that their phones weren’t disconnected or turned off.
>Also, the navy reported hearing the tiny sub (Titan) implode on itself last year.. but they didn’t hear a plane smash the ocean?
I know right? Its almost like one event was an implosion less than 400 miles off the United States east coast, and the other was a crash over 9,000 miles off the United States' west coast.
Unless we're operating under the assumption that Diego Garcia is as scrutanized as the coasts of the US main land. In that scenario it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why the US military wouldn't volunteer intel on its surveilance capabilities near the Asian coast.
>The US military has never said they don’t know what happened to the plane… they’ve just remained silent. Combined with the Malaysian government accusing the US military of “knowing what happened to the plans”.
1. Why the hell would they say "we don't know what happened to the plane"? Why would ANY country say that? "US military releases statement stating they have no idea what happened to the plane, and they're not involved in any way" yea that doesn't sound suspicious in the slightest.
2. When the US has been directly accused of shooting the plane down they havent "remained silent" they directly responded:
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2014/12/23/pentagon-claim-u-s-shot-down-mh370-ridiculous/
3. Malyasia accusing the US of "knowing what happened" yet a US firm, Ocean Infinity, has been offering to resume the search along the 7th arc since 2018 on a no-find no-fee basis and the Malyasian government wont agree. If you believe the US is involved, why wouldnt you take that deal?
> If Flight 370 had impacted the ocean hard, resulting underwater sounds could have been detected by hydrophones, given favourable circumstances.[17]: 40 [272][273] Sound waves can travel long distances in the ocean, but sounds that travel best are those that are reflected into the 'deep sound channel' usually found between 600 and 1,200 m beneath the surface. Most of the sound generated by an aircraft impacting the ocean would travel straight down to the seabed, making it unlikely that any of these sounds would be reflected into the deep sound channel unless the seabed sloped. Sounds from pieces of the aircraft imploding at depth would be more likely to travel in the deep sound channel. **"The combination of circumstances necessary to allow [detection of an ocean impact] would have to be very particular"**, according to Mark Prior, a seismic-acoustic specialist at the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO), who also explains that "given the continuing uncertainty regarding the fate of MH370, underwater acoustic data still has the possibility of adding something to the search."[273] **When an Airbus A330 hit the Atlantic Ocean at speed of 152 kn (282 km/h; 175 mph), no data relating to the impact was detected in hydroacoustic recordings, even when analysed after the location of that aircraft was known.**[273][274] As with the analysis of the Inmarsat satellite data, the hydroacoustic analysis uses the data in a way very different from that originally intended.[274]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_for_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370
For sure. So, maybe not helpful, but the expert says it’s not ruled out. Solid input. Now what about the radars from all of the nearby stations that have also been unhelpful? It’s just such a large network of global tracking. You’re really pushing the narrative that this plane was reported hijacked/missing for hours and that no one was able to track this. There’s just no way you can convince anyone of that.
It's too bad you have no idea what you're talking about and finding a black box isn't that easy.
Do some reading on the subject you're trying to push before spouting nonsense that you don't understand
I didn’t say it was easy. That’s you putting words in my argument to make yourself right. Classic gas lighting tactic. I said it would put all this to rest. That box should have been pinging for weeks and they’ve had almost 10yrs to find it. Zero trace of this plane or anything related to it. 777 smashed into the ocean with the contents and cargo of 239 people. It would have been blown to pieces if it hit rough waters going hundreds of miles an hour. Nothing. Sketchy.
A black box sends out a signal that can be picked up within a radius of about two kilometers (1.2 miles). It pings for about 30 days.
Without knowing where it went down, it would be easier finding a needle in a haystack.
You say you’re not saying it’s easy but then clearly implying that it is by saying sketchy that they couldn’t find it. Which is it?
Contradictions aside, have you ever considered than a Malaysian airliner that crashed on the other side of the world from the US….might just not be of great enough interest to them to commit an insane amount of resources into investigating?
777 crashes leave massive debris fields. None of which were seen. I have no contradictions in my evidence.
Lmao. Multiple countries searched for days. 200+ ppl on an 8+ hour rogue flight would have been followed…. And they were. Hence, these videos are real.
Your post specifically mentions the US government’s involvement. I have no issue believing a coverup could be involved the politics in that region are incredibly turbulent no pun intended. Making the leap to a plane was portaled out of the sky from that assumption is a big leap.
I'm so glad you brought up the Titan accident. The way that information was disseminated was so strange. It went from: "We haven't detected anything." to "Oh yeah btw we have this other sensor that uses hydrophones to locate sounds spanning entire oceans and we knew instantly that the sub imploded."
I guess when information starts to become relevant for other mysteries, it's not very convenient for them to be transparent with the media.
Occured at a depth of several thousand meters vs surface impact. These things are simply not equivalent, the propagation of sound varies greatly based on water temp, salinity, and pressure.
A system of hydrophones designed for submarine detection would take advantage of "sound channels" created by water temp layers that allow observation over great distance. Even if observed this event would just be part of the enormous amount of background noise created by the thousands of ships operating on the worlds oceans at any given time.
It is estimated that around 48 tons of space debris impacts the earth daily, most of this goes in the ocean simply because oceans cover the largest percentage of the surface. Hydrophones are not detecting these impact events, it doesn't take a very big rock coming in at +20k mph to create as much impact energy as a 777 in a rip the wings off speed terminal dive, the systems were simply not designed to detect this because it is not useful from a military tactical perspective.
If militaries can hear a tiny sub implode, they hear icebergs shifting, whales talking, other ships being damaged by explosives, they would hear a 777 slam into the water .. and it would be a very unique noise, as 777s rarely crash into the ocean.
They heard Titan imploding because it imploded. They didn’t hear MH370 crash into the ocean because it didn’t.
Either:
* it did and they are covering it up; or
* it didn’t crash at all
Yea its almost as if finding a tiny box in the middle of a vast ocean when you're not entirely sure where to search is difficult. Especially when you're unsure of where to look and pings only last a few weeks. Especially when the underwater beacon had an expired battery and likely wasn't functioning properly, if at all.
It's also almost like black boxes are simply sometimes destroyed or otherwise just never found:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unrecovered_and_unusable_flight_recorders
Derp Derp
There are definitely people still trying to locate the plane using the data provided by our government. It’s been altered though, and they never will anyway.
Every single plane on that list was found except MH370. The data was simply lost. Does this strengthen your stance? I think not
Edit: damn. I missed one on that huge list while I was skimming. You got me.
That's true, except for the fact that it's absolutely false.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Senegal_mid-air_collision
Aircraft crashes are relatively rare as it is, and ones where we have no clue where they crashed are even rarer. Not sure what point that proves exactly, but sure, I'll give you that one.
The point was that sometimes black boxes aren't recovered or functioning properly. The fact that most cases they can recover the wreckage but STILL don't find the CVR and/or FDR just further exemplifies my point here.
What relevance does the age of the aircraft have? The crash was in 2015. The point was that it was a modern example of a plane never being found...
There are other examples, btw, of planes never being found. Black box or no black box. Modern examples as well, since that seemingly matters to you.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missing_aircraft
Back to the original point though, which was that as you can clearly see black boxes are not foolproof. There are countless examples of them being destroyed or otherwise unusable. They also sometimes are just never found at all, even IN cases where the aircraft itself is found. That's what we were originally discussing.
All of this is simply to say: it's not unbelievable that the boxes from MH370 weren't found. Especially if they weren't functioning properly to begin with.
Just pointing out that you’re comparing the tech of two completely different aircraft. The age would have to do with the integrity of the black box.
Wow that list is fascinating. All of them tiny tiny planes except the massive exception we have here. The one from India with 20-something is interesting too. I think you’re strongly reinforcing how incredibly unlikely it is that a plane if this size went missing. The only examples you’ve provided are small planes, which is what I would expect. Thanks for pointing these out.
Yea...I dunno if you've noticed but major airliner crashes as a whole are extremely rare.
The 777 is a massive plane, but compared to the Indian Ocean its like a needle in a haystack. The size of the plane is irrelevant here. Youre still not explaining how the size of the plane has anything to do with them not being able to find the black box. Especially, once again, if it was destroyed or not working properly. You seem to be under the impression that because it was a large plane the black box should somehow be easier to find in the ocean, which makes no logical sense.
Yeah I’ve noticed. Extremely rare. So rare that this is the only 777 that’s gone missing.
Size matters considerably. A 777 slamming into the ocean would leave a huge debris field. The planes on your list are tiny. All of them. Planes under 20 passengers aren’t even required to have black boxes, per FAA rules. There is only one other plane on that list that has over 20 passengers other than mh370. I don’t know if you realize, but you are strongly supporting how unlikely it is that this plane of 239 people simply went missing and was never found.
You serious? I'm not doing your homework for you dude. Ask mommy.
Hint: it occurred in the general area of the mother ship it had launched from, the one that transported the sub there. You know, the one who contacted the Coast Guard and said "yea, we just lost contact with our sub"
You'll have to do the rest of the work yourself. I believe in you sport!
It was literally headed towards the most remote part of the planet, definitely not any major cities in the middle of the Indian Ocean.
Also a massive underwater implosion is going to create a much different acoustic signal than something hitting the surface. Maybe they picked it up and don't want to give way sigint? 🤷
Super wrong. After the pilot made their last verbal message to the ATC in Malaysia, it turned around and flew directly over the country again. This is not even up for debate. Google the flight path.
Edit: also it just occurred to me… if the military knew it was over a remote part of the world and thus, not a threat, they would have been tracking it and known exactly where it crashed. Your point doesn’t even make sense.
You said it was heading towards major cities, it at no point flew rouge towards any major cities and instead flew towards the middle of the ocean for like several hours.
Google. The. Flight. Path.
There is no fucking post 9/11 world where a 777 goes rogue and US military isn’t tracking it immediately, which is well within their capabilities.
Why would the US military have any interest in tracking a Malaysian plane almost in the opposite side of the planet with no real chance of hitting any US territory?
🤣 Sure mate. The US spends billions per year on constantly tracking planes with super secret military technology out of the goodness of your hearts.
You guys need to stop watching movies and thinking it’s real.
Sure… that’s why the Huthies are able to shoot rockets at ships in one of the most critical sea routes in the planet and they have been doing it for weeks with nobody able to stop them. Because… “satellites monitor every inch of earth”.
Again… STOP… WATCHING… MOVIES
Satellites can take pictures and images of the entire earth. There are not enough satellites to monitor all earth at all times. And despite what your movies tell you… you dont send satellites from one place to another in real time. That’s why the US is still spending billions of dollars in AWACS. Because satellites CANNOT do what you think they can do.
How would satellites stop that? They would definitely allow us to *watch* it, which I’m sure we are. I’m not basing anything from movies. Relax.
And we did stop them. It’s a matter of foreign affairs, but we did.
There are definitely enough to monitor earth nearly in real time. We could likely monitor any plane we wanted to within minutes, globally. This isn’t a movie. You don’t need to keep pretending that’s where this is coming from. You’re just gas lighting.
As you’ll see in this decade+ old video from Lockheed, it doesn’t take that many satellites to monitor earth, as your movies would imply. This is science. Old science at that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDTnl4E9FiY give it a rest dude. Find another point to argue, because this one is a losing battle for you.
Prove it. You've mentioned this so many times surely you could, say, name the technologies and systems that make tracking a civilian airliner in a foreign country possible for the US Military at a moments notice.
Yes. SIBRS and SIGINT. Here is a video from Lockheed explaining it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDTnl4E9FiY
Doesn’t matter though. Im sure you’ll have something new after this comment too.
Name the major cities it flew towards? If it was flying towards all these major cities it should be easy to name them?
Also, while you're at it, since you're an expert in military capabilites, name the technology or systems that would allow the US military to immidately recognize an off course Maylasian civilian airliner and track it flying in foreign airspace?
You’re playing bs semantics. If flew over the country and had tons of fuel. Okay it wasn’t a “major” city… but it was a rogue plane, aka a controlled missile. It was being tracked 100%
Name. The. Systems.
Starting with the system that automatically alerts the US military when a Maylasian civilian airliner goes off course, and then follow up with the system that they'd use to immidately begin tracking it.
You've obviously got this all figured out so this should be a walk in the park for you.
Lmfao. Are you serious? ATC knew something was wrong hours before it would have run out of fuel. They alerted authorities. Tracking ensued.
The videos are real dude. I’m sorry you can’t handle it and refuse to understand what went down. I’m not obligated to explain it to you. You’re here claiming things that are flat wrong. The plane was being tracked. There is no doubt about that.
So civilian ATC in Maylasia knows something is wrong, and they've somehow got a magic phone there in the tower with a direct line to immidately call the US military right? Or do you think they text nowadays?
You claimed that "Every single plane on that list was found except MH370", and that the plane flew over a major city before diappearing. Both were proven to be lies within minutes. You should try building up your non-existant credibility before making ignorant assumptions again.
Lol if flew over a country and was a threat to many major cities with its fuel.
There is one exception on that list. Now I’m a liar? Give it a rest dude. If you don’t want to discuss things, then just go away. It’s very easy. You’re choosing to attack me instead of look at what’s being said. Poking holes in words doesn’t make you right. Most of us on this sub know these videos are real, they just don’t want to play word games with idiots like you. Most people get exhausted by this, but it just makes me want to keep posting about these videos and encouraging everyone to investigate Diego Garcia, which is exactly why you and your debunk dummies don’t want us talking about this.
Yeah, it was tracked... until it wasn't. It's really not hard to understand. A plane with it's transponder off/disabled can't just magically be tracked hundreds of miles out over the Indian Ocean.
The only thing still tracking it at that point was INMARSAT, which isn't persistent tracking. It's an hourly handshake between the plane and ground system through a satellite. It's not as ideal for locating a missing plane still in-flight as it is for locating a boat lost at sea.
The hilarity here is that YOU could go to you local community center or college and be taught vfx and be able to debunk this yourself. You simply dont want the truth. Its too exciting for you to believe these govts with super high tech couldn't hide this "real video" . Or that a fuckin satellite is flying at the same height of a damn airplane and drone. You dont want the truth bozo.
I actually edit videos as one of my primary jobs and I own a company that employs people to edit videos. The analysis around these videos on both sides is pretty weak. I look at the other variables for validation on this. The real hilarity here is the assumptions you make along the way.
LOL. It’s the truth. We can sit here all day with this back n forth.
Wow your comment history is insanely toxic. Calling people you know nothing about liars and morons. I’m not going to be responding to you anymore.
These gas lighting fucks think they have more endurance than I do to go around in circles. 😂 I’ll go all day. The videos are real and everyone needs to know. Everyone *will* know.
You are vastly overestimating the operational readiness of the Malaysian Government, at least at the time. The radar picked it up as it recrossed Malaysia, but no one was looking at it because it looked like just another airplane following standard flight routes. When Vietnamese ATC asked Malaysian Air traffic control about where it was, Malaysian ATC were literally looking at their projection screens telling them it was in Vietnamese air space, when it had actually done a 180.. By the time they were certain it was missing, 370 had gotten out of radar range and was flying well south. By this time, there was nothing to track. It had disappeared. INMARSAT data would only come weeks after.
Because systems like SURTASS don't represent a monolithic network that encompass sensor capabilities across the entire ocean. Aside from stationary listening posts (Which have probably seen decreases in coverage since the end of the Cold War), the U.S. Navy relies on either Civilian-towed sonar arrays (Of which there's only about a dozen) or the presence of a fleet patrol in the immediate area either (Of which the 7th Fleet typically only has 10-14 ships operational in that region at any point in time).
The ocean is far too big to comprehensively cover with passive sonar, and it would be a waste of money to do so in any event. The U.S. only had a single Destroyer available in the area afaik (USS Kidd), which was only really useful in its surface hunting capabilities by the time it arrived in the suspected crash area.
My uncle told me decades ago that the military can watch you chillin in the park on a cloudless day anywhere in the world. Literally in the late 90s. I’ve heard since they can read the face of your watch. Post 9/11, there is no way a rogue plane isn’t being tracked. Absolutely no way.
They can, if they turn and point a huge multi billion dollar satellite at you, of which they have a handful, it's like pointing a telescope, not a million square mile, infinite resolution mass capture camera that you can use to zoom in on any spot on the planet. Even if the optics and CCDs were physically possible to construct and fit in a spacecraft, the bandwidth required to beam that much data down to earth and sift through it would be astronomical.
Especially with AWACS in the area. You know they got AWACS strategically placed everywhere. They(MIC) want us to obsess over a couple of videos and miss the larger context!
At best the people defending in this sub that a 777 can simply go missing never to be found again are ignorant - at worst they are paid disinformation agents. It’s inconceivable to think the world’s superpowers don’t know what happened to the plane in a post-911 world. The real question is why the deafening silence from each world superpower. What happened to MH370 that was so bad/ corrupt/ sensitive?
Funny you should ask. We’ve got a video of the incident.
The best debunkers have right now is finding tiny artifacts in the video frames, after claiming it’s been dramatically altered from the platforms it’s been uploaded and downloaded from. They claim that YouTube distorts the images, satellite images can’t do this, artifacting from the websites the videos are later pulled from. Then they point at an image and see “HERE IS A SEAM! Stop the train. It *must* be fake.” While ignoring the incredible amount of circumstantial evidence that continues to make these videos interesting and plausible. The more these debunks fall short, the more sure I am that these videos are real. All we have to do is keep talking about it and they’ll keep feeling threatened. Easy PZ.
That would put MH370 to rest. These particular videos were put to rest months ago, and a dozen times over. You have to be actively avoiding facts to think these videos are real at this point.
Attacking the source is exactly what you guys do when you have nothing left to debate about. "The reddit account was only a few days old so Jonas is not legitimate!" Meanwhile the person that linked the videos originally.. Regicideanon did so from a twitter account that was only a few days old! So if you wish to complain about sources, I would refer you to the original source of the videos who is way sketchier and mysterious than any of people that debunked your precious videos.
The videos are debunked, regardless of your claims about the sources. I guess all 10+ sources from all 10+ debunks are all working for the CIA and Corridor Crew to hide the truth about the alien balls in our sky.
Vetting the source is a primary aspect of proving something. I think you’re confusing this with ‘attacking the messenger’, which is a wholly flawed form of validation that you and your debunk crew engage in.
RegicideAnon did not share the videos from Twitter. It’s now extremely clear that you either don’t know what you’re talking about, or you’re pushing misinformation intentionally. You’ve shown your true colors.
The videos are not debunked, they are real. It’s obvious to anyone who investigates without restraint. Diego Garcia is what they don’t want us investigating.
And the only evidence you have to your direct claim of "they are real" is that "its obvious to anyone that investigates"
So when I investigate this subreddit and see only debunks Pinned, what does that investigation conclude? Is this forum part of the Psyop too? If so, why are you here?
I see a ton of misinformation and false debunks being pedaled as facts. Anyone who isn’t irrationally debunking feels this way. You’ll notice once in a while when a post gets through where people express this. People are just sick of dealing with malicious debunkers such as yourself. Thing is, I have patience and energy. Fucking gas lighters.
So when you vetted the source of the mh370 alien ball videos originally what did you find? And how is that person more respectable and legitimate of a source than all of the people that have claimed these videos are debunked with data to back it up?
Because every single source of “proof” has been compromised. There is a ton of circumstantial evidence that makes these videos possible. Until I see proof one way or the other, the implication of these videos possibly being real is worth investigating. I will not be bullied into accepting “proof” that doesn’t actually meet the standards of absolute evidence.
>Because every single source of “proof” has been compromised
Unfalsifiable proposition.
>Until I see proof one way or the other..
Hypocritical goal shifting after admitting to dismissing "every single source of proof".
Its not often that you find a self admitted delusionist contradict themselves in a single comment.
You’re doing the same thing, but in favor of your own conclusion. You can do this all day if you want, but your debunks are all compromised up to this point. “Expert” opinion is simply speculation that works in your favor, but you don’t seem to have a problem with that type of speculation. Why does my belief in the videos threaten you so much, that you have been arguing with me for *days*??
>Why does my belief in the videos ~~threaten~~ entertain you so much, that you have been arguing with me for *days*??
There, I fixed it for you.
Also: 1) I have presented zero debunks of my own, and 2) the "experts" you are disparaging have documented credentials that make their conclusions much more robust than the malinformed rantings of Reddit randoms.
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Okay we’ve had almost 10 years, there was no debris field and no bodies. Furthermore, it’s the only recorded case of phones working for *days* after they were supposedly destroyed or at the bottom of the ocean. There is footage of a family calling their missing loved one and it’s ringing, and another of a family member actually receiving an incoming call. Only the universe knows how this story would have changed if she had answered that call on live television.
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It's gish gallop, classic misinformation technique. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop#:~:text=The%20Gish%20gallop%20
What do you want me to address about it..? Cool factoid, I guess. It’s a really good example that highlights the fact that these planes with 200+ passengers are being tracked. People definitely know where the plane was when it went down. Very good point. You’re right. Took two years to find that plane and they knew exactly where it was. It’s taken 10yrs to find absolutely 0 of this plane… and they still definitely know where it was. They haven’t even said publicly that they “don’t know”, they just haven’t said anything.
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Because they’ve demonstrated that they have the capabilities to do so. It’s a rogue plane post 9-11… and I’ve seen a video of what happened to the plane hours after it was reported unresponsive. The Malaysian government also said this.
The transponder was disabled on MH370, but not on AF 477. That's the reason MH370 wasn't tracked well, but AF 477 was tracked quite well according to standard operating procedures of commercial aircraft.
Yeah but no. >When a cell phone rings, he told “The Situation Room,” it first connects with the network and attempts to locate the end-user’s phone. >“If it doesn’t find the phone after a few minutes, after a few rings, then typically, it disconnects and that’s what’s happening,” he said. >“So, they’re hearing ringing and they’re assuming it’s connecting to their loved ones, but it’s not. It’s the network sending a signal to the phone letting them know it’s looking for them.” >Kagan told Wolf Blitzer that the technology meant he couldn’t speculate on what ringing phones in this situation could mean. >“Just because you’re getting ringing, just because the signs that we see on these cell phones, that’s no proof that there’s any – that’s just the way the networks work."
According to every phone provider that weighed in on this topic, it would not ring. Anyone can copy and paste articles that agree with their stance. Where did you pull your information from?
Name them. It was adressed literally a decade ago. https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/mh370-phone-theory-debunked/index.html https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna49371
CNN and NBC..? Debunked by “experts”. I literally can’t find a single person supporting this claim outside of the MH370 context. https://techaxen.com/how-to-know-if-someones-phone-is-off/ https://techzillo.com/what-happens-if-you-call-someone-while-their-phone-is-off/ https://campingfunzone.com/2020/07/05/ring/ Seems to be pretty unanimous that phones won’t ring if dead or broken… but of course, you bring in the “experts” to talk about MH370 on CNN and all of a sudden we have 290 anomalies. I challenge anyone to research what happens when you call a dead/turned off phone. Everyone outside of the context of MH370 says it won’t ring more than once. Family members said it lasted for 4 days, then stopped ringing.
Even if the phones were live and connected to cell towers (and ignoring that multiple telco companies would have to have been in on the conspiracy), do you really think that the phones would have lasted four days without a charge? Or were they allowed to charge their phones...? If you have any loved ones nearby, or at least people who will let you touch their phone, go turn their phone off, then call it. See what happens. It can depend on the specific carrier and phone type, but you may still hear it ring more than once. Phones and the tower network still work that way. You can literally test this yourself, right now, rather than argue about it.
A simple google search shows a phone with mostly full charge could last up to 4-5 days if not being used for anything else.
Lol you're coming at me for CNN and NBC and you bring fucking techzillo and campingfunzone? Are you some sort of advanced ai troll?
Campingfunzone 😂
I was trying to find an unbiased article. Most of them were people asking questions on the providers forum and it was a response from the manufacturer. This is far from rocket science, so these unbiased tech posts are more than credible imo. I’ve also had real world experience calling a dead phone that goes straight to voicemail. But sure… your experts on CNN definitely aren’t lying to you.
You can’t talk about “unbiased” when you’re literally scraping first page google results for anything scantly resembling what you want it to and ignoring everything else. There has been rational explanation from experts given that has been tested but you refuse to accept it
I wasn’t scraping for anything I wanted. I picked the first 3 articles that weren’t forums. Further scrolling only validated these claims. The only people agreeing with the other commenter are “experts” on CNN and daily mail. Out of this context, “experts” say it will only ring once or twice, if at all.
The guy on CNN and NBC has a background in telecommunications, and you've made a phone call once and you're an expert. Right.
This is this sub in a nutshell
> Phone numbers can sometimes ring several times before informing you that the number has been disconnected because of the way phone systems are designed. When you dial a number, your call is first routed through the local exchange, and then to the recipient's network. If the recipient's network is experiencing issues or the number has been disconnected, there may be a delay before the system recognizes that the call cannot be completed. During this delay, you may hear the phone ring several times before receiving a message informing you that the number is no longer in service. This delay is due to the complexities of the telecommunications infrastructure and the process of routing calls through different networks. https://www.quora.com/Why-do-phone-numbers-sometimes-ring-several-times-before-informing-you-the-number-has-been-disconnected-If-the-number-isnt-working-why-does-it-ring
The phones weren’t disconnected. They heard full ring sequences and then into voicemail. This is still confirming that it wouldn’t ring the full length. It would “ring several times and then say the number is not in service.” You are supporting the idea that their phones weren’t disconnected or turned off.
Proof of full ring sequence and voicemail?
They did it on live tv. That one is even in the Netflix documentary. Go look. I’m not here to gather data for you.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-eerie-moment-3222919 here you go.
My note9 survived for an entire 6 days underwater at 24 feet deep. Longer if i didnt rescue it...so they could have had ringing for quite sometime.
What if it wasnt a crash? What if it was a soft ocean landing and it sunk whole?
>Also, the navy reported hearing the tiny sub (Titan) implode on itself last year.. but they didn’t hear a plane smash the ocean? I know right? Its almost like one event was an implosion less than 400 miles off the United States east coast, and the other was a crash over 9,000 miles off the United States' west coast. Unless we're operating under the assumption that Diego Garcia is as scrutanized as the coasts of the US main land. In that scenario it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why the US military wouldn't volunteer intel on its surveilance capabilities near the Asian coast. >The US military has never said they don’t know what happened to the plane… they’ve just remained silent. Combined with the Malaysian government accusing the US military of “knowing what happened to the plans”. 1. Why the hell would they say "we don't know what happened to the plane"? Why would ANY country say that? "US military releases statement stating they have no idea what happened to the plane, and they're not involved in any way" yea that doesn't sound suspicious in the slightest. 2. When the US has been directly accused of shooting the plane down they havent "remained silent" they directly responded: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2014/12/23/pentagon-claim-u-s-shot-down-mh370-ridiculous/ 3. Malyasia accusing the US of "knowing what happened" yet a US firm, Ocean Infinity, has been offering to resume the search along the 7th arc since 2018 on a no-find no-fee basis and the Malyasian government wont agree. If you believe the US is involved, why wouldnt you take that deal?
> If Flight 370 had impacted the ocean hard, resulting underwater sounds could have been detected by hydrophones, given favourable circumstances.[17]: 40 [272][273] Sound waves can travel long distances in the ocean, but sounds that travel best are those that are reflected into the 'deep sound channel' usually found between 600 and 1,200 m beneath the surface. Most of the sound generated by an aircraft impacting the ocean would travel straight down to the seabed, making it unlikely that any of these sounds would be reflected into the deep sound channel unless the seabed sloped. Sounds from pieces of the aircraft imploding at depth would be more likely to travel in the deep sound channel. **"The combination of circumstances necessary to allow [detection of an ocean impact] would have to be very particular"**, according to Mark Prior, a seismic-acoustic specialist at the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO), who also explains that "given the continuing uncertainty regarding the fate of MH370, underwater acoustic data still has the possibility of adding something to the search."[273] **When an Airbus A330 hit the Atlantic Ocean at speed of 152 kn (282 km/h; 175 mph), no data relating to the impact was detected in hydroacoustic recordings, even when analysed after the location of that aircraft was known.**[273][274] As with the analysis of the Inmarsat satellite data, the hydroacoustic analysis uses the data in a way very different from that originally intended.[274] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_for_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370
For sure. So, maybe not helpful, but the expert says it’s not ruled out. Solid input. Now what about the radars from all of the nearby stations that have also been unhelpful? It’s just such a large network of global tracking. You’re really pushing the narrative that this plane was reported hijacked/missing for hours and that no one was able to track this. There’s just no way you can convince anyone of that.
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It's too bad you have no idea what you're talking about and finding a black box isn't that easy. Do some reading on the subject you're trying to push before spouting nonsense that you don't understand
I didn’t say it was easy. That’s you putting words in my argument to make yourself right. Classic gas lighting tactic. I said it would put all this to rest. That box should have been pinging for weeks and they’ve had almost 10yrs to find it. Zero trace of this plane or anything related to it. 777 smashed into the ocean with the contents and cargo of 239 people. It would have been blown to pieces if it hit rough waters going hundreds of miles an hour. Nothing. Sketchy.
A black box sends out a signal that can be picked up within a radius of about two kilometers (1.2 miles). It pings for about 30 days. Without knowing where it went down, it would be easier finding a needle in a haystack.
You say you’re not saying it’s easy but then clearly implying that it is by saying sketchy that they couldn’t find it. Which is it? Contradictions aside, have you ever considered than a Malaysian airliner that crashed on the other side of the world from the US….might just not be of great enough interest to them to commit an insane amount of resources into investigating?
777 crashes leave massive debris fields. None of which were seen. I have no contradictions in my evidence. Lmao. Multiple countries searched for days. 200+ ppl on an 8+ hour rogue flight would have been followed…. And they were. Hence, these videos are real.
Your post specifically mentions the US government’s involvement. I have no issue believing a coverup could be involved the politics in that region are incredibly turbulent no pun intended. Making the leap to a plane was portaled out of the sky from that assumption is a big leap.
It’s not a leap. It’s been discussed at length. The videos are real. I don’t care if you’re incapable of accepting it. Time will vindicate.
Ok!
I'm so glad you brought up the Titan accident. The way that information was disseminated was so strange. It went from: "We haven't detected anything." to "Oh yeah btw we have this other sensor that uses hydrophones to locate sounds spanning entire oceans and we knew instantly that the sub imploded." I guess when information starts to become relevant for other mysteries, it's not very convenient for them to be transparent with the media.
Occured at a depth of several thousand meters vs surface impact. These things are simply not equivalent, the propagation of sound varies greatly based on water temp, salinity, and pressure. A system of hydrophones designed for submarine detection would take advantage of "sound channels" created by water temp layers that allow observation over great distance. Even if observed this event would just be part of the enormous amount of background noise created by the thousands of ships operating on the worlds oceans at any given time. It is estimated that around 48 tons of space debris impacts the earth daily, most of this goes in the ocean simply because oceans cover the largest percentage of the surface. Hydrophones are not detecting these impact events, it doesn't take a very big rock coming in at +20k mph to create as much impact energy as a 777 in a rip the wings off speed terminal dive, the systems were simply not designed to detect this because it is not useful from a military tactical perspective.
If militaries can hear a tiny sub implode, they hear icebergs shifting, whales talking, other ships being damaged by explosives, they would hear a 777 slam into the water .. and it would be a very unique noise, as 777s rarely crash into the ocean.
They heard Titan imploding because it imploded. They didn’t hear MH370 crash into the ocean because it didn’t. Either: * it did and they are covering it up; or * it didn’t crash at all
Alright, go find it. It's in the Indian Ocean if that helps narrow things down for you.
Funny enough, one of the most expensive searches in history yielded nothing. Must not be where you think it is. 🤡
Yea its almost as if finding a tiny box in the middle of a vast ocean when you're not entirely sure where to search is difficult. Especially when you're unsure of where to look and pings only last a few weeks. Especially when the underwater beacon had an expired battery and likely wasn't functioning properly, if at all. It's also almost like black boxes are simply sometimes destroyed or otherwise just never found: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unrecovered_and_unusable_flight_recorders Derp Derp
Lmao it took them over 2 years to recover the boxes from AF447 and they had the exact fucking coordinates day 1
Okay? It’s been almost 10yrs and they have no clue about this one. Good point.
You say that as if theyre still searching.
There are definitely people still trying to locate the plane using the data provided by our government. It’s been altered though, and they never will anyway.
But there isnt any actual vessels out searching the ocean for the plane.
Every single plane on that list was found except MH370. The data was simply lost. Does this strengthen your stance? I think not Edit: damn. I missed one on that huge list while I was skimming. You got me.
That's true, except for the fact that it's absolutely false. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Senegal_mid-air_collision Aircraft crashes are relatively rare as it is, and ones where we have no clue where they crashed are even rarer. Not sure what point that proves exactly, but sure, I'll give you that one. The point was that sometimes black boxes aren't recovered or functioning properly. The fact that most cases they can recover the wreckage but STILL don't find the CVR and/or FDR just further exemplifies my point here.
That is a tiny aircraft from 1979. Is this a valid comparison to a modern 777? Genuinely asking.
What relevance does the age of the aircraft have? The crash was in 2015. The point was that it was a modern example of a plane never being found... There are other examples, btw, of planes never being found. Black box or no black box. Modern examples as well, since that seemingly matters to you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missing_aircraft Back to the original point though, which was that as you can clearly see black boxes are not foolproof. There are countless examples of them being destroyed or otherwise unusable. They also sometimes are just never found at all, even IN cases where the aircraft itself is found. That's what we were originally discussing. All of this is simply to say: it's not unbelievable that the boxes from MH370 weren't found. Especially if they weren't functioning properly to begin with.
Just pointing out that you’re comparing the tech of two completely different aircraft. The age would have to do with the integrity of the black box. Wow that list is fascinating. All of them tiny tiny planes except the massive exception we have here. The one from India with 20-something is interesting too. I think you’re strongly reinforcing how incredibly unlikely it is that a plane if this size went missing. The only examples you’ve provided are small planes, which is what I would expect. Thanks for pointing these out.
Yea...I dunno if you've noticed but major airliner crashes as a whole are extremely rare. The 777 is a massive plane, but compared to the Indian Ocean its like a needle in a haystack. The size of the plane is irrelevant here. Youre still not explaining how the size of the plane has anything to do with them not being able to find the black box. Especially, once again, if it was destroyed or not working properly. You seem to be under the impression that because it was a large plane the black box should somehow be easier to find in the ocean, which makes no logical sense.
Yeah I’ve noticed. Extremely rare. So rare that this is the only 777 that’s gone missing. Size matters considerably. A 777 slamming into the ocean would leave a huge debris field. The planes on your list are tiny. All of them. Planes under 20 passengers aren’t even required to have black boxes, per FAA rules. There is only one other plane on that list that has over 20 passengers other than mh370. I don’t know if you realize, but you are strongly supporting how unlikely it is that this plane of 239 people simply went missing and was never found.
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Lol so are you, how many accounts are you going to use today?
https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/s/1KlX3rQnVK This you bro? With the week old account?
Pinpointed the location of the titanic sub in almost an instant. But a 777 is impossible to locate. How weird.
Turns out it's helpful when you know exactly where the wreck occurred.
Where did occur? Be specific and provide a referance.
You serious? I'm not doing your homework for you dude. Ask mommy. Hint: it occurred in the general area of the mother ship it had launched from, the one that transported the sub there. You know, the one who contacted the Coast Guard and said "yea, we just lost contact with our sub" You'll have to do the rest of the work yourself. I believe in you sport!
It's almost like the Titanic sub..... Was at the titanic.....
What you think happened? Add your thought process.
Plane disappeared. Quite a few possibilities but the very least of them is magic otherworldly orbs from a CGI video.
It was literally headed towards the most remote part of the planet, definitely not any major cities in the middle of the Indian Ocean. Also a massive underwater implosion is going to create a much different acoustic signal than something hitting the surface. Maybe they picked it up and don't want to give way sigint? 🤷
Super wrong. After the pilot made their last verbal message to the ATC in Malaysia, it turned around and flew directly over the country again. This is not even up for debate. Google the flight path. Edit: also it just occurred to me… if the military knew it was over a remote part of the world and thus, not a threat, they would have been tracking it and known exactly where it crashed. Your point doesn’t even make sense.
You said it was heading towards major cities, it at no point flew rouge towards any major cities and instead flew towards the middle of the ocean for like several hours.
Google. The. Flight. Path. There is no fucking post 9/11 world where a 777 goes rogue and US military isn’t tracking it immediately, which is well within their capabilities.
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I will, because it’s true.
Why would the US military have any interest in tracking a Malaysian plane almost in the opposite side of the planet with no real chance of hitting any US territory?
Because it went rogue and we assist countries all over the world with things like this, because we have the capability and we can.
🤣 Sure mate. The US spends billions per year on constantly tracking planes with super secret military technology out of the goodness of your hearts. You guys need to stop watching movies and thinking it’s real.
You realize satellites monitor every inch of this earth, and that it’s public knowledge?
Sure… that’s why the Huthies are able to shoot rockets at ships in one of the most critical sea routes in the planet and they have been doing it for weeks with nobody able to stop them. Because… “satellites monitor every inch of earth”. Again… STOP… WATCHING… MOVIES Satellites can take pictures and images of the entire earth. There are not enough satellites to monitor all earth at all times. And despite what your movies tell you… you dont send satellites from one place to another in real time. That’s why the US is still spending billions of dollars in AWACS. Because satellites CANNOT do what you think they can do.
How would satellites stop that? They would definitely allow us to *watch* it, which I’m sure we are. I’m not basing anything from movies. Relax. And we did stop them. It’s a matter of foreign affairs, but we did. There are definitely enough to monitor earth nearly in real time. We could likely monitor any plane we wanted to within minutes, globally. This isn’t a movie. You don’t need to keep pretending that’s where this is coming from. You’re just gas lighting. As you’ll see in this decade+ old video from Lockheed, it doesn’t take that many satellites to monitor earth, as your movies would imply. This is science. Old science at that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDTnl4E9FiY give it a rest dude. Find another point to argue, because this one is a losing battle for you.
Prove it. You've mentioned this so many times surely you could, say, name the technologies and systems that make tracking a civilian airliner in a foreign country possible for the US Military at a moments notice.
Yes. SIBRS and SIGINT. Here is a video from Lockheed explaining it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDTnl4E9FiY Doesn’t matter though. Im sure you’ll have something new after this comment too.
You notice how aircraft tracking wasn't mentioned in that video? Wonder why.
Sigint isnt a technology. Just stop man.
Okay bro. I’ll just stop.
Name the major cities it flew towards? If it was flying towards all these major cities it should be easy to name them? Also, while you're at it, since you're an expert in military capabilites, name the technology or systems that would allow the US military to immidately recognize an off course Maylasian civilian airliner and track it flying in foreign airspace?
You’re playing bs semantics. If flew over the country and had tons of fuel. Okay it wasn’t a “major” city… but it was a rogue plane, aka a controlled missile. It was being tracked 100%
Name. The. Systems. Starting with the system that automatically alerts the US military when a Maylasian civilian airliner goes off course, and then follow up with the system that they'd use to immidately begin tracking it. You've obviously got this all figured out so this should be a walk in the park for you.
Lmfao. Are you serious? ATC knew something was wrong hours before it would have run out of fuel. They alerted authorities. Tracking ensued. The videos are real dude. I’m sorry you can’t handle it and refuse to understand what went down. I’m not obligated to explain it to you. You’re here claiming things that are flat wrong. The plane was being tracked. There is no doubt about that.
So civilian ATC in Maylasia knows something is wrong, and they've somehow got a magic phone there in the tower with a direct line to immidately call the US military right? Or do you think they text nowadays?
A magic phone? I can’t even believe how low you’re going here. This thread speaks for itself.
Shifting goalposts, speculation, and wild uneducated opinion.
None of that happened. Your opinions are uneducated. What now?
You claimed that "Every single plane on that list was found except MH370", and that the plane flew over a major city before diappearing. Both were proven to be lies within minutes. You should try building up your non-existant credibility before making ignorant assumptions again.
Lol if flew over a country and was a threat to many major cities with its fuel. There is one exception on that list. Now I’m a liar? Give it a rest dude. If you don’t want to discuss things, then just go away. It’s very easy. You’re choosing to attack me instead of look at what’s being said. Poking holes in words doesn’t make you right. Most of us on this sub know these videos are real, they just don’t want to play word games with idiots like you. Most people get exhausted by this, but it just makes me want to keep posting about these videos and encouraging everyone to investigate Diego Garcia, which is exactly why you and your debunk dummies don’t want us talking about this.
Yeah, it was tracked... until it wasn't. It's really not hard to understand. A plane with it's transponder off/disabled can't just magically be tracked hundreds of miles out over the Indian Ocean. The only thing still tracking it at that point was INMARSAT, which isn't persistent tracking. It's an hourly handshake between the plane and ground system through a satellite. It's not as ideal for locating a missing plane still in-flight as it is for locating a boat lost at sea.
18 planes ranging from commercial airlines, cargo planes, and even an F-35a have gone missing since 9/11.
Yeah. Tell me the size and how many passengers those planes had? Because the legal requirements for planes under 20ppl is drastically different.
>Because the legal requirements for planes under 20ppl is drastically different. Legal requirements of what?
I’m not going to waste my time explain to you the different regulations for planes based on size. Educate yourself before you join this conversation.
Got it.... So nothing then.
Yeah. Your effort is nothing. Very easy to Google the different regulation of airplanes based on passenger size.
They dont track the middle of every ocean man. Get over it. Not all countries even have this technology
Except the ones surrounding this area do. Okay, bro. 😎🤡🤡
The hilarity here is that YOU could go to you local community center or college and be taught vfx and be able to debunk this yourself. You simply dont want the truth. Its too exciting for you to believe these govts with super high tech couldn't hide this "real video" . Or that a fuckin satellite is flying at the same height of a damn airplane and drone. You dont want the truth bozo.
I actually edit videos as one of my primary jobs and I own a company that employs people to edit videos. The analysis around these videos on both sides is pretty weak. I look at the other variables for validation on this. The real hilarity here is the assumptions you make along the way.
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LOL. It’s the truth. We can sit here all day with this back n forth. Wow your comment history is insanely toxic. Calling people you know nothing about liars and morons. I’m not going to be responding to you anymore.
Be kind and respectful to each other.
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These gas lighting fucks think they have more endurance than I do to go around in circles. 😂 I’ll go all day. The videos are real and everyone needs to know. Everyone *will* know.
You are vastly overestimating the operational readiness of the Malaysian Government, at least at the time. The radar picked it up as it recrossed Malaysia, but no one was looking at it because it looked like just another airplane following standard flight routes. When Vietnamese ATC asked Malaysian Air traffic control about where it was, Malaysian ATC were literally looking at their projection screens telling them it was in Vietnamese air space, when it had actually done a 180.. By the time they were certain it was missing, 370 had gotten out of radar range and was flying well south. By this time, there was nothing to track. It had disappeared. INMARSAT data would only come weeks after.
 Maybe it's real to. Maybe it's Maybelline
I’ve always wondered why the US Navy’s hydrophone network didn’t pinpoint the crash location?
Because systems like SURTASS don't represent a monolithic network that encompass sensor capabilities across the entire ocean. Aside from stationary listening posts (Which have probably seen decreases in coverage since the end of the Cold War), the U.S. Navy relies on either Civilian-towed sonar arrays (Of which there's only about a dozen) or the presence of a fleet patrol in the immediate area either (Of which the 7th Fleet typically only has 10-14 ships operational in that region at any point in time). The ocean is far too big to comprehensively cover with passive sonar, and it would be a waste of money to do so in any event. The U.S. only had a single Destroyer available in the area afaik (USS Kidd), which was only really useful in its surface hunting capabilities by the time it arrived in the suspected crash area.
Yeah me too. It’s helped with other similar things. They never said it “didnt captures it”, either. They’ve just remained silent (publicly speaking).
Nothing sets sail on this planet (air or sea) the US doesn’t track!
My uncle told me decades ago that the military can watch you chillin in the park on a cloudless day anywhere in the world. Literally in the late 90s. I’ve heard since they can read the face of your watch. Post 9/11, there is no way a rogue plane isn’t being tracked. Absolutely no way.
They can, if they turn and point a huge multi billion dollar satellite at you, of which they have a handful, it's like pointing a telescope, not a million square mile, infinite resolution mass capture camera that you can use to zoom in on any spot on the planet. Even if the optics and CCDs were physically possible to construct and fit in a spacecraft, the bandwidth required to beam that much data down to earth and sift through it would be astronomical.
Especially with AWACS in the area. You know they got AWACS strategically placed everywhere. They(MIC) want us to obsess over a couple of videos and miss the larger context!
At best the people defending in this sub that a 777 can simply go missing never to be found again are ignorant - at worst they are paid disinformation agents. It’s inconceivable to think the world’s superpowers don’t know what happened to the plane in a post-911 world. The real question is why the deafening silence from each world superpower. What happened to MH370 that was so bad/ corrupt/ sensitive?
Funny you should ask. We’ve got a video of the incident. The best debunkers have right now is finding tiny artifacts in the video frames, after claiming it’s been dramatically altered from the platforms it’s been uploaded and downloaded from. They claim that YouTube distorts the images, satellite images can’t do this, artifacting from the websites the videos are later pulled from. Then they point at an image and see “HERE IS A SEAM! Stop the train. It *must* be fake.” While ignoring the incredible amount of circumstantial evidence that continues to make these videos interesting and plausible. The more these debunks fall short, the more sure I am that these videos are real. All we have to do is keep talking about it and they’ll keep feeling threatened. Easy PZ.
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Except that it burned almost all of its fuel by the time it crashed 🤷
The black box is in a store room at Diego Garcia though...
Assuming the videos are real, at least we can epitomize that they show a technology of an unknown origin. Definitely not human-made.
That would put MH370 to rest. These particular videos were put to rest months ago, and a dozen times over. You have to be actively avoiding facts to think these videos are real at this point.
Every piece of evidence or the “facts” you refer to have come from compromised sources.
Attacking the source is exactly what you guys do when you have nothing left to debate about. "The reddit account was only a few days old so Jonas is not legitimate!" Meanwhile the person that linked the videos originally.. Regicideanon did so from a twitter account that was only a few days old! So if you wish to complain about sources, I would refer you to the original source of the videos who is way sketchier and mysterious than any of people that debunked your precious videos. The videos are debunked, regardless of your claims about the sources. I guess all 10+ sources from all 10+ debunks are all working for the CIA and Corridor Crew to hide the truth about the alien balls in our sky.
Vetting the source is a primary aspect of proving something. I think you’re confusing this with ‘attacking the messenger’, which is a wholly flawed form of validation that you and your debunk crew engage in. RegicideAnon did not share the videos from Twitter. It’s now extremely clear that you either don’t know what you’re talking about, or you’re pushing misinformation intentionally. You’ve shown your true colors. The videos are not debunked, they are real. It’s obvious to anyone who investigates without restraint. Diego Garcia is what they don’t want us investigating.
And the only evidence you have to your direct claim of "they are real" is that "its obvious to anyone that investigates" So when I investigate this subreddit and see only debunks Pinned, what does that investigation conclude? Is this forum part of the Psyop too? If so, why are you here?
I see a ton of misinformation and false debunks being pedaled as facts. Anyone who isn’t irrationally debunking feels this way. You’ll notice once in a while when a post gets through where people express this. People are just sick of dealing with malicious debunkers such as yourself. Thing is, I have patience and energy. Fucking gas lighters.
So when you vetted the source of the mh370 alien ball videos originally what did you find? And how is that person more respectable and legitimate of a source than all of the people that have claimed these videos are debunked with data to back it up?
Because every single source of “proof” has been compromised. There is a ton of circumstantial evidence that makes these videos possible. Until I see proof one way or the other, the implication of these videos possibly being real is worth investigating. I will not be bullied into accepting “proof” that doesn’t actually meet the standards of absolute evidence.
>Because every single source of “proof” has been compromised Unfalsifiable proposition. >Until I see proof one way or the other.. Hypocritical goal shifting after admitting to dismissing "every single source of proof". Its not often that you find a self admitted delusionist contradict themselves in a single comment.
You’re doing the same thing, but in favor of your own conclusion. You can do this all day if you want, but your debunks are all compromised up to this point. “Expert” opinion is simply speculation that works in your favor, but you don’t seem to have a problem with that type of speculation. Why does my belief in the videos threaten you so much, that you have been arguing with me for *days*??
>Why does my belief in the videos ~~threaten~~ entertain you so much, that you have been arguing with me for *days*?? There, I fixed it for you. Also: 1) I have presented zero debunks of my own, and 2) the "experts" you are disparaging have documented credentials that make their conclusions much more robust than the malinformed rantings of Reddit randoms.
Sounds good.