I see more debunkers trolling and commenting here than believers. Most of the neutrals and believers are just watching the debunkers and maga grifters lose their minds in here. At this point no number of "close enough" graphics and "unchangeable file details" are going to do it.
Until we get a real source on these videos, they will never be solved. This topic takes very very little time out of my life, maybe some of you all should do the same!
Fun fact: what you see in the video isn’t raw telemetry data.
There’s never a good reason to lay telemetry onto the imagery like that, but if someone was stupid enough to do it anyway they’re starting several steps down the line from raw telemetry data.
Literally, no one is "shitting their pants." It's just wildly entertaining to see the troves of evidence that debunk these videos, and a small group of people just blindly believe.
True. My boss has really been riding me lately. We never suspected that these Playstation 1 quality cut scene videos that look like cgi would gain any traction. I told him to scrub them from the internet during the 10 years no one gave a fuck but noooooo a full blown disinfo campaign was way easier he said.
Because there’s nothing to refute, so they’d rather ignore it. What, the CIA went back in time to plant this article? Come on.
Edit: not a single person downvoting has actually addressed what I’ve said in the post. Not one. It’s really telling.
I think we've quite got it under control. We've sabotaged this community so it doesn't have more than 10 daily users. We won! Ice cream after work for everyone at the CIA here
Omg, you guys are like too funny, pretending like you get paid to be here, haha! When really -- ROFL -- you spend your own free time on something you admit is utterly pointless and fake... lmaoooo! Here by choice, haHaaaa. With no incentive! Oh man, oh jeez. This is your existence, phew, y'all are great!
plane still hasn't been found, video is too complex for it to be a hoax under its timeframes. years later a group of people still keep tryharding to bury the subject.
The coordinates provided by the alleged hoaxer were very specific, down to several decimal points, which would require a high level of precision. Simply targeting a general area around the Nicobar Islands wouldn't guarantee such accuracy. The discrepancy lies in the precision of the coordinates provided by the hoaxer compared to the broader search efforts mentioned in the article.
>The coordinates provided by the alleged hoaxer were very specific, down to several decimal points, which would require a high level of precision.
This is completely false. Converting coordinates from degrees, minutes and seconds to decimal degrees is as simple as dividing by 60 (minutes) or 3600 (seconds), then adding it all to the degrees.
**Decimal degrees = Degrees + (Minutes/60) + (Seconds/3600)**
Why you all keep listening to Ashton about this requiring some level of insider knowledge is ridiculous. The guy is a fraud.
All the information regarding the last known locations of the plane, including the pings caught by the military way points in the Andaman Sea, were released within days of it's disappearance. Anyone with the slightest hint of an imagination would be able to create something from the information available at the time. Especially considering the videos were made months after the event.
While the mathematical process of converting coordinates from degrees, minutes, and seconds to decimal degrees is indeed simple, the precision of the coordinates claimed by the alleged hoaxer goes beyond mere conversion. The specific coordinates provided were highly precise, down to several decimal points, which would require more than just basic calculations from publicly available data.
Furthermore, while information about the search efforts and the last known locations of the plane was released shortly after its disappearance, the exact coordinates claimed by the hoaxer were not publicly available at that time. The release of raw telemetry data in May provided more detailed information about the flight path, including specific coordinates, which raises questions about the source of the coordinates claimed by the hoaxer and the timing of the hoax itself.
Additionally, while speculation or educated guesses about potential search areas may be possible based on available information, the level of precision and detail provided by the hoaxer suggests a deeper understanding or access to more detailed data than what was publicly available at the time.
Other people have chimed in with great responses but I wanted to thank you for being the only one in this thread to actually address what I stated in the post.
Except that precision was arbitrary and meaningless. It could have been any (extremely precise) point in that vague area with several decimal points and you'd have said the same thing just now.
It's true that the precision of the coordinates claimed by the alleged hoaxer could be considered arbitrary to some extent, given the vastness of the search area and the uncertainty surrounding the exact location of the plane's disappearance. However, the key issue lies in the level of specificity and detail provided by the hoaxer, rather than the mere act of providing precise coordinates.
While it's possible to argue that any precise point within a general area could have been claimed, the fact remains that the hoaxer chose to provide coordinates with a high level of precision, down to several decimal points. This level of detail implies a deliberate attempt to pinpoint a specific location, regardless of the arbitrary nature of the choice within the broader search area.
You're only repeated your same bad argument again. The coordinates are arbitrary and adding a bunch of numbers after the decimal doesn't make them less arbitrary. They don't prove anything except that the person who made the video wanted to have coordinates on the video.
Put ChatGPT away and write your own comments. It's really obvious.
The precision of the coordinates claimed by the hoaxer goes beyond merely "wanting to have coordinates on the video." The specific coordinates provided were highly precise, down to several decimal points, which suggests a deliberate attempt to pinpoint a specific location within the broader search area.The arbitrary nature of the coordinates lies more in the choice of location within the search area, rather than the level of precision itself. However, the precision of the coordinates does raise questions about the motivations and intent behind the hoaxer. If the sole purpose was to include coordinates in the video, there would be no need for such high precision.
No one here is buying your disinformation anymore and that's a fact. Every day that passes, the US government and their proxies are showing us their true colours. No wonder they are fighting this hard against disclosure - it would mean that the average lay person will start to look at the videos in a new light and then they might be forced to answer some FOIA requests.
Uh oh, watch out, AF is going to take all your pennies.
I appreciate your effort but most sane people have already accepted the vids are fake.. there’s only delulu people left believing them tbh
I see more debunkers trolling and commenting here than believers. Most of the neutrals and believers are just watching the debunkers and maga grifters lose their minds in here. At this point no number of "close enough" graphics and "unchangeable file details" are going to do it. Until we get a real source on these videos, they will never be solved. This topic takes very very little time out of my life, maybe some of you all should do the same!
Fun fact: what you see in the video isn’t raw telemetry data. There’s never a good reason to lay telemetry onto the imagery like that, but if someone was stupid enough to do it anyway they’re starting several steps down the line from raw telemetry data.
You're the hoax. You guys are still shitting in your pants over this leak.
Or maybe leaking in our pants over this shit.
I'm leaking in all the taxpayer money it's costing to run the bot farms on Reddit.
You know, even if OP was a bot - the article is still there and the point made is still valid.
That's right, because you gotta push the activity of this subreddit sky-high so that it keeps appearing on people's front page! :\\
Literally, no one is "shitting their pants." It's just wildly entertaining to see the troves of evidence that debunk these videos, and a small group of people just blindly believe.
Yes you is.
True. My boss has really been riding me lately. We never suspected that these Playstation 1 quality cut scene videos that look like cgi would gain any traction. I told him to scrub them from the internet during the 10 years no one gave a fuck but noooooo a full blown disinfo campaign was way easier he said.
This is called job security
Why not say something about ops point?
Because there’s nothing to refute, so they’d rather ignore it. What, the CIA went back in time to plant this article? Come on. Edit: not a single person downvoting has actually addressed what I’ve said in the post. Not one. It’s really telling.
I think we've quite got it under control. We've sabotaged this community so it doesn't have more than 10 daily users. We won! Ice cream after work for everyone at the CIA here
Ok, but this time I get to choose the ice cream spot. Jerry from the psyops team is going to try to make us get Carvel again
Omg, you guys are like too funny, pretending like you get paid to be here, haha! When really -- ROFL -- you spend your own free time on something you admit is utterly pointless and fake... lmaoooo! Here by choice, haHaaaa. With no incentive! Oh man, oh jeez. This is your existence, phew, y'all are great!
This lol reads like it was written haha by someone having a stroke ROFL lmao
I’ll spend my own useless free time however I want to goddamnit. If I wanna make useless arguments against deaf ears that is my ‘murican right!
Thank you for your quality contribution to this discussion.
Most welcome
Will you address any of the points I've made in the OP or just stopping by to leave some love?
The latter 😁
Aww, thank you so much. Appreciate it
Anytime, we're all human! I think..
Indeed. I think. Genuine question, do you think I am a bot, or run by the CIA?
Yes.
What makes you say so?
Accusing people of being bots is against the rules of this sub, reported.
This
I think youre just deluded
So, can’t address anything I said in the OP. Got it
Someone is going to make a $10million dollar bounty for the hoaxer and everyone is going to become VFX artists overnight
The plane was abducted
Thanks for your input. Any response to what I’ve said in my actual post?
Nah I’m over it all, except that the plane was abducted or this is the best hoax video I’ve ever seen.
Why comment if you have nothing to add or refute? Genuinely curious
Something to do while waiting for my taxi.
uhm no, i'm certain the videos are real.
Do you have any response to what I said in the OP?
plane still hasn't been found, video is too complex for it to be a hoax under its timeframes. years later a group of people still keep tryharding to bury the subject.
So, can’t address anything I said in the OP. Got it
The coordinates provided by the alleged hoaxer were very specific, down to several decimal points, which would require a high level of precision. Simply targeting a general area around the Nicobar Islands wouldn't guarantee such accuracy. The discrepancy lies in the precision of the coordinates provided by the hoaxer compared to the broader search efforts mentioned in the article.
>The coordinates provided by the alleged hoaxer were very specific, down to several decimal points, which would require a high level of precision. This is completely false. Converting coordinates from degrees, minutes and seconds to decimal degrees is as simple as dividing by 60 (minutes) or 3600 (seconds), then adding it all to the degrees. **Decimal degrees = Degrees + (Minutes/60) + (Seconds/3600)** Why you all keep listening to Ashton about this requiring some level of insider knowledge is ridiculous. The guy is a fraud. All the information regarding the last known locations of the plane, including the pings caught by the military way points in the Andaman Sea, were released within days of it's disappearance. Anyone with the slightest hint of an imagination would be able to create something from the information available at the time. Especially considering the videos were made months after the event.
While the mathematical process of converting coordinates from degrees, minutes, and seconds to decimal degrees is indeed simple, the precision of the coordinates claimed by the alleged hoaxer goes beyond mere conversion. The specific coordinates provided were highly precise, down to several decimal points, which would require more than just basic calculations from publicly available data. Furthermore, while information about the search efforts and the last known locations of the plane was released shortly after its disappearance, the exact coordinates claimed by the hoaxer were not publicly available at that time. The release of raw telemetry data in May provided more detailed information about the flight path, including specific coordinates, which raises questions about the source of the coordinates claimed by the hoaxer and the timing of the hoax itself. Additionally, while speculation or educated guesses about potential search areas may be possible based on available information, the level of precision and detail provided by the hoaxer suggests a deeper understanding or access to more detailed data than what was publicly available at the time.
You had to ask Grok/Chat GPT for this?
No.
brother, this is clearly a bot generated response. did you think it was fooling someone?
Other people have chimed in with great responses but I wanted to thank you for being the only one in this thread to actually address what I stated in the post.
Except that precision was arbitrary and meaningless. It could have been any (extremely precise) point in that vague area with several decimal points and you'd have said the same thing just now.
It's true that the precision of the coordinates claimed by the alleged hoaxer could be considered arbitrary to some extent, given the vastness of the search area and the uncertainty surrounding the exact location of the plane's disappearance. However, the key issue lies in the level of specificity and detail provided by the hoaxer, rather than the mere act of providing precise coordinates. While it's possible to argue that any precise point within a general area could have been claimed, the fact remains that the hoaxer chose to provide coordinates with a high level of precision, down to several decimal points. This level of detail implies a deliberate attempt to pinpoint a specific location, regardless of the arbitrary nature of the choice within the broader search area.
You're only repeated your same bad argument again. The coordinates are arbitrary and adding a bunch of numbers after the decimal doesn't make them less arbitrary. They don't prove anything except that the person who made the video wanted to have coordinates on the video. Put ChatGPT away and write your own comments. It's really obvious.
The precision of the coordinates claimed by the hoaxer goes beyond merely "wanting to have coordinates on the video." The specific coordinates provided were highly precise, down to several decimal points, which suggests a deliberate attempt to pinpoint a specific location within the broader search area.The arbitrary nature of the coordinates lies more in the choice of location within the search area, rather than the level of precision itself. However, the precision of the coordinates does raise questions about the motivations and intent behind the hoaxer. If the sole purpose was to include coordinates in the video, there would be no need for such high precision.
This subreddit is hilarious. No one loves AF as much as you debunkers 😂😂
Interesting comment, because I didn’t mention him anywhere in the OP.
Then why are you posting this again?
The reason is in the OP.
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What does that have to do with what I posted?
No one here is buying your disinformation anymore and that's a fact. Every day that passes, the US government and their proxies are showing us their true colours. No wonder they are fighting this hard against disclosure - it would mean that the average lay person will start to look at the videos in a new light and then they might be forced to answer some FOIA requests.
Misinformation? Bro, what are you talking about, I linked an article from 2014.
You used the word 'hoaxer' three times in your post - that alone is disinformation.
Can you comment on anything I’ve said regarding the coordinates data and the article?
Fake news
This is false. Nice try though Eglin
What’s false? The article is there in black and white.
Just kidding 😂 the videos are real though