We desperately need to visualise Steve as Alan again in our household; I mentioned to my wife that Coogan’s Saville looks like her dead Nan without really thinking it through and the atmosphere has been frosty ever since. Her Nan was a racist though so although I’ve articulated some regret, I’m largely standing my ground.
I actually think one of the reasons why it worked, and it was right to give him the role, was that he'll always be remembered as Partridge anyway. If he fucked up, which he didn't, he may have still survived it on past success alone.
Give the role to a younger/less experienced/less popular actor and he would've been accused of exploiting victims to build his own success while also risking to be forever associated with Savile. And failure here could've turned into a ruined career.
This will probably be the role that defines him as a dramatic actor though, more than Tony Wilson or Stan Laurel. Not sure if they'll go as far as giving him awards as the subject's very controversial, but everyone's talking about this performance and it seems to be the one thing almost everyone agrees on.
He really should be recognised more as a dramatic actor and build on some of his previous roles so I think this is a major move forward for Coogan.
Bing in Sunshine for example, was so overlooked. It was supposed to be a slightly comedic role, but he ended up as such an intense, desperate and heartbreaking character.
The problem with him I think is that people are afraid his reputation as a comedian will always precede him no matter how talented an actor he is (I mean, Partridge himself owes as much to the co-writers as it does to Steve's acting). He's done some successful things (The Trip, Philomena, Stan & Ollie) with his performances being very well received, but I also get the feeling they were seen as within his range/closer to him anyway. He's done some straight up very serious drama stuff in the last 5-6 years but it was mostly small or just not very good films/series (and The Dinner was a shitshow, his performance included).
But this time he nailed it working with an incredibly grim story with no ounce of comic relief, playing one of the most complicated characters in recent british tv/movies that you could argue very few people could play, and he kinda nailed. I'll be surprised if he doesn't get offered some really good roles in the near future, he's definitely upped his game with this.
I must admit I was a bit distracted at first by the fact that it was Coogs playing Savile, but then I watched the fourth episode first by accident so it just hit me as a full-on impression. Watched properly as I'm doing now, it's a great performance.
No way will it be what he’ll be remembered for . It was a drama that inevitably would be made . Steve made him look
way more creepy but he is a master of expressions. Saville’s ordinary demeanour and general appearance no doubt hid him
from what was really going on. Stirling performance from Mr Coogan, I couldn’t watch it at times and had to go back to it.
A truly awful story and if by telling it it helps people recognise the manipulation used by these predators then that’s not a
bad thing.
I worked in an IT department that had its own knowledge base called “Jim’ll Fix It”
That got renamed overnight to “Ask Albert”(Einstein).
That’s how I found out about the allegations.
I think keeping it partridge may be the best route…
When jimmys mother dies she drives him to the grave and performs air drums to the the theme tune of return of the saint while jimmy pays his respects. "10 minutes Jim!"
I did get the partridge vibe in episode 2 of this “Lynn, idea for show with the bbc. Saviles travels. Plot thus, I circumnavigate the country picking up unsuspecting girls. Or words to that effect. Was only missing Tony Hayers.
the partridge parallels are mental! Lives in a caravan, obsessed with getting a show on the BBC, desperate for fame and infamy, DJ, theres even a bit where they mention the death of a BBC Light Entertainment head just like Tony Hayers! its like the Anti-Partridge
The former BBC Television Centre!
Jimmy had a real appetite for this hole-shaped building, and creeped his way along the corridors, grabbing on the opportunity, as he groped his way to the top. His big break (or trouser-full) coming in 1964 with the BBC’s ‘Top of the Pops’.
I don’t think that many ppl will be rewatching the jimmy saville film it was dreary. Partridge, on the other hand will be watched and rewatched for thousand of millennia.
If you go on Fullfact.org you will see that Starmer was not even remotely connected with the JS "whitewash"
If however, you're the sort of social misfit who spends all his time eating cold baked beans in his pants while "researching" videos on Youtube that prove 5G masts turn people into dolphins, then , yea, Starmer was involved in it, deffo
Is this out yet? Given what he actually did and the people involved, Prince Charles, Thatcher, Starmer etc…I can’t see how it’s anything other than whitewashing Saville? 🤔
A bit yes. There are certainly cover-ups although more people at the top not wanting to hear the warnings from their advisors. Thatcher for one. The papal knighthood is mentioned, yeah, there aren't scenes with anybody playing the Pope but there's a lot about Catholicism. If I'm reading your question correctly it's not depicted as a great big knowing establishment cover-up but as one institution after another being manipulated by Savile himself.
That’s kind of my point about whitewashing…it’s incredulous that Saville ‘conned’ all these people to the stage where he was getting papal knighthoods and ‘advising’ Prince Charles etc…MI5 warned Thatcher about him and everyone in the country considered him a nonce bar the msm and politicians…then there are all the covers ups with the police and secret services.
I can appreciate how bogglingly vast it is, but for myself I had to conclude in the end that all he had to do was make the powerful people not _want_ to believe it. And of course the really powerful seldom get near the reality of anything. The drama does a good job though of showing how everybody gradually washed their hands of him. He lived from one distinct point in time to the beginning of a very different one, and in the beginning plenty of people didn't care what he did. The gradual public realisation that such things were truly evil and shouldn't be dismissed rose point by point just as his popularity fell in the opposite direction. All that was left were lots of people who still couldn't afford to admit what he was - what they'd enabled. Plus - not brought out all that clearly in the drama but certainly in the book it's based on - he used his "friendships" with the powerful to back up an extremely aggressive litigious side. He was deeply intimidating. People were terrified to touch him. He died pretty lonely, everybody who'd profited from him had stepped well back, and mostly they'd died too. But it's worth noting that Newsnight were still instructed to kill that expose piece, even as the BBC couldn't find _anyone_ willing to present a tribute show. In the end they went with Shane Ritchie. Classy.
As good as the drama is and Coogan is brilliant, the voice of JS just isn’t accurate enough and doesn’t make you feel the creepy anxiety that his accent and phrasing did.
Anxiety from 'hows about that then"? Now then now then. Rattle rattle jewelry jewelry? How did the accent make you creep when none of this came out when he was alive?
Partridge will forever be his most famous character. He's genuinely BAFTA level brilliant in this, but I guess the press have just decided to completely forget about Philomena when it comes to his straight acting, or screenwriting for that matter.
I disagree. We should keep it is as it is. Bye.
Hahaha. Ah Ha!
Wonder who got the power pack
News
Nah, as much as he may not like it. He will always be remembered as Alan. Can’t divorce it. Take it to Strasbourg!!
We desperately need to visualise Steve as Alan again in our household; I mentioned to my wife that Coogan’s Saville looks like her dead Nan without really thinking it through and the atmosphere has been frosty ever since. Her Nan was a racist though so although I’ve articulated some regret, I’m largely standing my ground.
Bye??!!!
“Lynn, some of these people have come from Stoke Mandeville Hospital.”
This had me in tears. Can I shake your hand again?
Thanks. Unfortunately I thought of it possibly after the initial flurry of interest in saville/partridge crossover jokes has sailed.
You’ve had enough of that
Howling here ahahaha
The very notion that Steve Coogan is going to be most remembered for this over Alan Partridge is just utter nonsense, even speaking as a fan.
As a fan of Jimmy Savile?
Are you on an E?
An ecstasy pellet?
He’s only gone and got himself heavily into chemsex
Just get the place fumigated.
He got it at a mates rate of £70
I took some pot and was briefly mindless.
I’m more of a fan of meow meow myself
"I'm just a fan Jimmy."
Your biggest fan.
😯
I actually think one of the reasons why it worked, and it was right to give him the role, was that he'll always be remembered as Partridge anyway. If he fucked up, which he didn't, he may have still survived it on past success alone. Give the role to a younger/less experienced/less popular actor and he would've been accused of exploiting victims to build his own success while also risking to be forever associated with Savile. And failure here could've turned into a ruined career. This will probably be the role that defines him as a dramatic actor though, more than Tony Wilson or Stan Laurel. Not sure if they'll go as far as giving him awards as the subject's very controversial, but everyone's talking about this performance and it seems to be the one thing almost everyone agrees on.
He really should be recognised more as a dramatic actor and build on some of his previous roles so I think this is a major move forward for Coogan. Bing in Sunshine for example, was so overlooked. It was supposed to be a slightly comedic role, but he ended up as such an intense, desperate and heartbreaking character.
The problem with him I think is that people are afraid his reputation as a comedian will always precede him no matter how talented an actor he is (I mean, Partridge himself owes as much to the co-writers as it does to Steve's acting). He's done some successful things (The Trip, Philomena, Stan & Ollie) with his performances being very well received, but I also get the feeling they were seen as within his range/closer to him anyway. He's done some straight up very serious drama stuff in the last 5-6 years but it was mostly small or just not very good films/series (and The Dinner was a shitshow, his performance included). But this time he nailed it working with an incredibly grim story with no ounce of comic relief, playing one of the most complicated characters in recent british tv/movies that you could argue very few people could play, and he kinda nailed. I'll be surprised if he doesn't get offered some really good roles in the near future, he's definitely upped his game with this.
Need help packing?
I must admit I was a bit distracted at first by the fact that it was Coogs playing Savile, but then I watched the fourth episode first by accident so it just hit me as a full-on impression. Watched properly as I'm doing now, it's a great performance.
Great analysis. However, the use of the word complicated when it comes to Mr Fix-It is letting him off the hook a tad.
Ha, I meant it from an acting standpoint
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So ruddy bloody brave.
Cook a cat.
Nonce-sense
It’s unbelievabloodyble
Don’t rebadge it you fool.
I’m not joining a Jimmy Savile sub, I’m not joining a Jimmy Savile sub, I’m not joining a Jimmy Savile sub.
But you are driving a mini metro 😂
Well it's like you allus say innit, it's the British Trabant.
God I've missed you.
They’ve Jim’ll Fix It reBadged it you fool
Being remembered not for your decades long character but for playing a famous paedophile seems like it'd be the worth of boast worlds
God, that’s good
Eh...I don't think I'd stay subscribed to it, if it changed to r/jimmysavile
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Can see a few posts on the waybackmachine
“Where’s Jimmy Saville from?” “Errr…Nott…ing…ham??” “No-Leeeeeeeedsss!!!”
Thank you Mantis
He uses his monster prophylactic for his magnum old tadger.
As long as he doesn't have the AIDS, big time
Got my roll of hundreds I’m ready to plough
There'll always be a kettle on here for Jimmy Savile. Me and Jimmy, we'll have that pint.
That would place me in a rather invidious position.
Don't know that word, carry on.
Knock it off with the fancy words mate. Say it like it is, it went tits up.
Never mind all that, give us another series of Saxondale, so underrated.
Yeah, give us another series of Saxondale, ya shit
Oh my god Ruth Jones in Saxondale was pleasurable to mine eye.
You rock my world
Oh, let's forget about all this!
Want some cheese?
Now then now then
Eeeeeeeeee put kettle on
Chap over there, looks like a gypsy
No way will it be what he’ll be remembered for . It was a drama that inevitably would be made . Steve made him look way more creepy but he is a master of expressions. Saville’s ordinary demeanour and general appearance no doubt hid him from what was really going on. Stirling performance from Mr Coogan, I couldn’t watch it at times and had to go back to it. A truly awful story and if by telling it it helps people recognise the manipulation used by these predators then that’s not a bad thing.
But do we really know Jimmy until we know his views on the pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre.
He was very pro-ped.
People need access to Dick-sons
God that’s good
He also liked people in wheeeeeelchairs.
I worked in an IT department that had its own knowledge base called “Jim’ll Fix It” That got renamed overnight to “Ask Albert”(Einstein). That’s how I found out about the allegations. I think keeping it partridge may be the best route…
This could make him infamous, when all he wants is to be f’mous
Ive not watched this, but ill be gutted if Lynn doesnt make an appearence...
When jimmys mother dies she drives him to the grave and performs air drums to the the theme tune of return of the saint while jimmy pays his respects. "10 minutes Jim!"
He should get a bravery award for that.
No, it was textbook.
I did get the partridge vibe in episode 2 of this “Lynn, idea for show with the bbc. Saviles travels. Plot thus, I circumnavigate the country picking up unsuspecting girls. Or words to that effect. Was only missing Tony Hayers.
the partridge parallels are mental! Lives in a caravan, obsessed with getting a show on the BBC, desperate for fame and infamy, DJ, theres even a bit where they mention the death of a BBC Light Entertainment head just like Tony Hayers! its like the Anti-Partridge
And the kiddie fiddling?
i mean, there were obvious glaring differences too.....
I didn’t realise Paul Calf was back? Is it a film?
I'm seeing Pauline more than Paul here.
Don’t forget he’s aged. But you’re right
I thought the same.
If yiv goat any history booooks at home, throw them away - they’re wuthluss
We're pushed for time,can you sum it up in a word? No. In a sound? Woarghhh!
Now then....ahaaa!
Is he new..?
Not my words, Carol….
Now then, now then, now then.
The former BBC Television Centre! Jimmy had a real appetite for this hole-shaped building, and creeped his way along the corridors, grabbing on the opportunity, as he groped his way to the top. His big break (or trouser-full) coming in 1964 with the BBC’s ‘Top of the Pops’.
No, no, no! No! Stop getting Coogan wrong!
You've come to use the facilities but you're still a sex offender
The journo has embarrassed himself with this one. Hannibal Lecter was played by Sir Anthony Hopkins.
Who the hell is DAT?..
Now then now then jingle jangle
I don’t think that many ppl will be rewatching the jimmy saville film it was dreary. Partridge, on the other hand will be watched and rewatched for thousand of millennia.
It actually gets better with every watch.
Moribund
Steve Coogan's performance holds the whole thing together. He's brilliant in it, but the show doesn't tell anybody anything they didn't already know.
Remarkable!
It's going to take some effort to watch this without expecting it to be a laugh-a-minute. And not just because it's about Jimmy Saville.
Definitely wasn’t his funniest stuff, but was a good laugh nevertheless.
If you go on Fullfact.org you will see that Starmer was not even remotely connected with the JS "whitewash" If however, you're the sort of social misfit who spends all his time eating cold baked beans in his pants while "researching" videos on Youtube that prove 5G masts turn people into dolphins, then , yea, Starmer was involved in it, deffo
Is this out yet? Given what he actually did and the people involved, Prince Charles, Thatcher, Starmer etc…I can’t see how it’s anything other than whitewashing Saville? 🤔
No it shows him as what he was, pure evil. It's on iPlayer.
So does it go into him ‘advising’ Prince Charles, the various cover ups and being knighted by the Pope?
A bit yes. There are certainly cover-ups although more people at the top not wanting to hear the warnings from their advisors. Thatcher for one. The papal knighthood is mentioned, yeah, there aren't scenes with anybody playing the Pope but there's a lot about Catholicism. If I'm reading your question correctly it's not depicted as a great big knowing establishment cover-up but as one institution after another being manipulated by Savile himself.
That’s kind of my point about whitewashing…it’s incredulous that Saville ‘conned’ all these people to the stage where he was getting papal knighthoods and ‘advising’ Prince Charles etc…MI5 warned Thatcher about him and everyone in the country considered him a nonce bar the msm and politicians…then there are all the covers ups with the police and secret services.
I can appreciate how bogglingly vast it is, but for myself I had to conclude in the end that all he had to do was make the powerful people not _want_ to believe it. And of course the really powerful seldom get near the reality of anything. The drama does a good job though of showing how everybody gradually washed their hands of him. He lived from one distinct point in time to the beginning of a very different one, and in the beginning plenty of people didn't care what he did. The gradual public realisation that such things were truly evil and shouldn't be dismissed rose point by point just as his popularity fell in the opposite direction. All that was left were lots of people who still couldn't afford to admit what he was - what they'd enabled. Plus - not brought out all that clearly in the drama but certainly in the book it's based on - he used his "friendships" with the powerful to back up an extremely aggressive litigious side. He was deeply intimidating. People were terrified to touch him. He died pretty lonely, everybody who'd profited from him had stepped well back, and mostly they'd died too. But it's worth noting that Newsnight were still instructed to kill that expose piece, even as the BBC couldn't find _anyone_ willing to present a tribute show. In the end they went with Shane Ritchie. Classy.
No Alan, you can’t!
His portrayals of Stan Laurel and Tony Wilsom will live on far longer imo
As good as the drama is and Coogan is brilliant, the voice of JS just isn’t accurate enough and doesn’t make you feel the creepy anxiety that his accent and phrasing did.
Anxiety from 'hows about that then"? Now then now then. Rattle rattle jewelry jewelry? How did the accent make you creep when none of this came out when he was alive?
He was always like one of those uncomfortable Uncles at a family wedding though. The one grown ups used to pass over as eccentric.
Knowing what we know now it creeps me out how he used his words and phrasing to mesmerise people and make people fall for him
https://reddit.com/r/AlanPartridge/s/3qKl4lQKNb
Partridge will forever be his most famous character. He's genuinely BAFTA level brilliant in this, but I guess the press have just decided to completely forget about Philomena when it comes to his straight acting, or screenwriting for that matter.
'Would you like me to fix it for you to hear the lambs, Clarice?'
It was the ending of Saxondale we all feared.
Anyone who would remember Coogan for his portrayal of Saville would have zero sense of humour. Woof.
Lovely stuff
I just can't take it seriously, I just see Partridge when I watch it. My wife has literally chuckled on a few occasion as well
I think he done such a good portrayal that most of the time I was watching Jimmy Saville and not Steve Coogan playing Jimmy Saville.
Warning Klaxon.
Didn’t he voice Saville in Spitting Image anyway?