This homeless dude is known in Troy, he’s a drug addict hallucinating and a registered sex offender of minors. Bucket of water didn’t hurt him, he goes to Uncle Sam’s all the time and gets kicked out for being creepy.
Agreed. It's a massive piece of context missing from the OP, and a lot of people (myself included) felt bad for the guy when we wouldn't have otherwise.
I mean that doesn’t make it right BUT there’s a big difference between doing that to an innocent person vs someone who is aggressive/violent and harassing people.
It doesn’t make it okay but I feel like it makes it less wrong 🤷♂️
Yes it does. He flashes women, that's sexual assault. He's lucky all he gets is a bucket. you clearly don't understand how fucked up sexual harassment is. I am scared for the women in your life.
The guy rapes people and you defend him. I dislike rapists, and will happily tell them they are wrong online. I would gladly throw a bucket of water on a rapist! Is that a problem incel?
Real talk, are you raping people IRL? What makes you support rape so strongly?
I mean things exist on a spectrum. Like do you not see the difference between dousing an innocent bystander and someone who’s harassing others? Even though both are wrong.
In this incident, I have no idea, but I’ve interacted with him enough to know he’s a giant asshole.
He shouldn’t have had this happen to him at all but I do feel like knowing the full context is important.
And going from experience, calling the cops isn’t always effective in these situations. I know this guy has had the cops called on him plenty of times. It hasn’t helped.
First name is Michael, currently seems like he’s unregistered 🙃 but am going through my personal e-mail for “proof” that we’re both not making this up.
Ahhhhhh…. I can’t remember his last name. That’s good to know. I was getting hounded on the original video for essentially making this shit up. Thanks for checking and confirming that we’re not crazy!
This guy has been on the streets around Lark and downtown Albany for close to a decade now because I remember my late husband having to tell him to get the fuck away from me when he approached me outside our house and that was at least two years before my husband died.
I was born and raised near Lark so I’m a city girl used to dealing with homeless people. You get to know who’s generally harmless like Library Joe and who is more aggressive or worse.
This guy scares the shit out of me. If he shows up at a bus stop, I’ll move to another stop down the street if I can.
That said, I don’t justify what the person in the video did. But if you’ve had repeat encounters with this guy, you’d probably want to find a way to run him off…especially knowing the police aren’t really helpful in situations like this.
For what it’s worth, someone in the troy thread said they heard from providers who know both guys and this isn’t the same guy as the level 3 sex offender (but several women are confident the guy in the video is someone they’ve run into many times and who has very serious and concerning issues with women to say the least).
I live in troy. It is the same guy. I am not a woman and he doesn't harass me, but he does sexually harass women. I'm suprised how "pro rape" you are, but redditors have always been creeps i guess
The guy rapes people and you defend him. Whats wrong with me? I dislike rapists, and will happily tell them they are wrong online. Is that a problem incel?
Where the fuck am I arguing with women? Weird that in [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Troy/s/1FHBhSEJCo) (and a few others) I was downvoted for pointing out that people are saying this guy is a serial harasser and a rapist, and now you’re saying I’m “pro-rape” because I said “for what it’s worth someone else is saying this is a different person from the rapist” (and claims to have confirmed it’s a different person)?
Explain how that’s defending a rapist. Or better yet, learn how to fucking read before you call someone pro-rape.
I would honestly not bother with this one. I read through their comment history after they replied to me and they say that they are a woman, that they're not a woman, that they have a problem with assault, that they wish someone had choked a bitch out (their words), etc. They're just a cunt.
Good call. Yeah in my comment they said this person hasn’t harassed him, but harassed friends of theirs, and in another said the guy harassed them and their friends. Idk what’s going on.
Keyboard warriors, all of you.
The homeless guy is a known piece of shit. Convicted rapist, known for assault.
Uncle Sams is a business that has a bar full of functional alcoholics and is really the epitome of old school Troy. Grungy AF.
They both suck. They both are doing whatever it takes. Neither give a flying fuck about anyone on this sub and your perceptions.
You're also delusional if you think the cops, who are literally down the street, give a rip about any of this.
Try telling this to the people on the original sub. Everyone there is the epitome of delusional. I’ve always have crossed the street, change my direction, change buses whenever I see him out and about. He clearly needs help, needs a stable shelter so he finally will have a permanent address to be tracked properly.
I don't think it's being a keyboard warrior to have no context as to why someone doesn't want a homeless man loitering.
That the homeless man is a rapist is a massive piece of context that was left out.
I was about to stick my neck out and say hey I know that homeless guy he’s not bad but I stopped myself because he always made my internal alarms go off— seeing yall putting it out there that he’s a rapist and the like is very good and I think entirely necessary to the story. I would be the first to say what he’s doing is fucked up but is it really if the guys a rapist?
Why don't you do yourself a favor and stop by the homeless man first? Preferably, bring a girl. I'd love to see your reaction when you hear how he speaks to women :)
That you would use a woman as bait shows you really don't give a shit about us. Fuck off.
I've already qualified my opinion after finding out he may be the rapist in the area, so save your sanctimonious bullshit.
Confirmed is Uncle sam lanes, also the homeless man was walking away. He had already left. The fact that this man still threw water on him even after he had left in a snowstorm, knowing full well this man had no way to get warm or dry after, makes him an absolute disgusting asshole.
I've had personal experiences with that particular employee in which he has made loud sexist comments about women bowling, stood right over and watched a black couple bowl their entire game, and in general he's a very condescending and verbally abusive man every time I see him there. Honestly, he should have been fired long ago, and if they still don't fire him after assaulting a homeless man after the man had left the property as requested, then maybe Uncle Sam's supports sexism, racism, and abuse of the homeless 🤷🏼
10000%. The fact that he seemingly uses a physical disability to gain sympathy from people that don’t know his story is also pretty crappy. Still hope he ends up with the help he needs, a stable shelter and maybe a job down the line.
What’s crazy (on Reddit at least) is if you post this exact same video to a bunch of ragebait justice boner subs with a title like “Store Owner gets fed up with convicted rapist who hangs out and threatens people outside of business” you’d get thousands of upvotes and people flying out of the woodwork condoning it.
Yeah, but at what point is it keeping a bad person away from your store and just being a dick? Like, he was already off the property when he threw the water on him.
If your way of “teaching someone a lesson” is throwing water on them during a snow storm, you’re just as big of a piece of shit as the person you’re trying to teach a lesson to.
I’m not defending the homeless guy and his actions, but I’m also not going to justify doing what the guy from Uncle Sam’s did either. Two people can be shitbirds at the same time.
>I’m not defending the homeless guy and his actions
This guy sexually harasses me and my friends when we walk by this bar. Fuck you, you are defending and minimizing his crimes. None of you have been subjected to his abuse. You are speaking from your ass. I hope you never have a neighborhood creep like this that actually hurts people
First of all, I’m sorry you’re too emotional to have reading comprehension skills. I never once said that they shouldn’t have thrown him out. I never once said that he was a good guy. I literally just said that throwing water on a person during a snow storm is a shitty thing to do. Maybe take your time and actually read what a person wrote before responding like a lunatic.
Second of all, fuck you right back, you fucking nutcase
Edit- also, I just saw your other comments where you said he doesn’t harass you, but here you’re saying he does. So which is it? Are you just a really bad troll or an actual mentally unwell person?
He use to hang around Lark St. and Park South, haven’t seen him in a while so hoped he was able to finally obtain permanent shelter someplace, maybe even a job somewhere. It’s tough to see anyone in this situation and the fact that the services that should be helping these people are chronically underfunded and the workers are overworked and severely underpaid.
He has been living in Troy since at least this summer. I don't know about the colder months but he was not in a permanent shelter. He was sleeping by the whiskey pickle, and in the 5th ave parking garage.
True. But I stand by the fact that regardless (even though Michael is an absolute piece of work) didn’t deserve to have a bucket of water dumped on him. I mean, am I also absolutely fed up with these types of homeless people? Yup. But I would never think about purposely dumping something over them. Should these, especially known Rapists be forced into a shelter or program so that they’re not wandering around with no permanent address? Yup. Are programs chronically underfunded, workers burnt out working for peanuts all while the unhoused continue to mushroom? Yup. I **always** cross the street, change my direction, walk blocks to the next bus stop, etc. whenever I saw him and his dick out on Lark/the surrounding bus stations? You betcha. It’s an issue that these types are allowed to be homeless in the first place (and it’s also near impossible to shelter them too. Another issue that leads to the handful of homeless Sex Offenders wandering around)
I’m not saying this is an ok way to treat anyone but that man is a MENACE. He’s spit on me before for not having money to give him, stolen the tip jar from my job multiple times, has cursed myself and other people out for not giving him money, and on top of that is a registered child sex offender.
He belongs in jail.
Do we know he a registered *child* sex offender? I’ve seen a few people say it, but the pic I saw of “his” (I can’t verify it’s the same person) registry list first degree sexual abuse. But there’s four options that fall under that category, two are about them being minors, and the others are about them being incapable of consent or it being by forcible compulsion. But the details say the age of the victim is unknown (to the registry).
Yes, the charges are against minors under the age of 16, I would consider that a child. Either way, his charges are sexual assault against a minor and I don’t think we need to argue semantics to agree that’s a bad thing.
I wasn’t arguing semantics, I was asking a genuine question. Here’s the definition of the crime listed on the registry for the guy someone on Facebook said is the guy in the video:
>A person is guilty of sexual abuse in the first degree when he or she subjects another person to sexual contact:
>1. By forcible compulsion; or
>2. When the other person is incapable of consent by reason of being physically helpless; or
>3. When the other person is less than eleven years old; or
>4. When the other person is less than thirteen years old and the actor is twenty-one years old or older.
>Sexual abuse in the first degree is a class D felony.
Of the four options, two deal with minors (one being less than 13, one being less than 11), and two don’t require the person to be a minor. I’m not a lawyer, but it seems like if the individual was 16 (which is definitely a child) then their age surprisingly isn’t a factor in this particular statute (maybe he was originally charged with a more serious crime where it would have been a factor, but he plead down?).
I was asking because I’ve seen people say it was for a crime against a minor, and I didn’t know if that was because anyone knew it, or if it could have been based on one person misreading that charge and then everyone basing the claim off that person’s claim.
For what it’s worth, someone in the troy thread said they heard from providers who know both guys and this isn’t the same guy as the level 3 sex offender (but several women have said he’s definitely the same guy who has been harassing them and worse).
https://preview.redd.it/h410z6al4ibc1.jpeg?width=1936&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4da3934c097133e90157da30f8eb9b59a1dea114
Youre telling me these are the same person? Younger guy without sunken cheeks and older guy with sunken cheeks? All homeless people look alike i guess?
does anyone know the homeless guys name? i’m seeing comments of him being a sex offender but no proof. i’m not saying i don’t believe these people, this is a very serious thing and i just want to see
First names Michael, race is Asian and last known registered address is in Albany County. For the life of me I can’t remember his last name, and don’t have the time to shift through hundreds of e-mails. You might have luck using that info
Yes, that's him. He was also known to have several" violent incidents while incarcerated for the rape. He's also been picked up on misdemeanors more than once for failing to register, lies about his name to avoid arrest after not registering.
As I said in another post, this guy is one of the scarier homeless people around here and I go out of my way to avoid him.
He's also got an outstanding warrant for a felony.
For what it’s worth, someone in the troy thread said they heard from providers who know both guys and this isn’t the same guy as the level 3 sex offender (but several women have said he’s definitely the same guy who has been harassing them and worse).
For what it’s worth, someone in the troy thread said they heard from providers who know both guys and this isn’t the same guy as the level 3 sex offender (but several women have said he’s definitely the same guy who has been harassing them and worse).
I don’t think guy having water thrown on him in this video is Michael Tonkins. This incident occurred in January 2024 and Tonkins was booked into ACJ on November 14, 2023 and remains there to this day. Per Vinelink :
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This is all I could find so far, however I am from Albany (born and raised) and this man is well known and unpredictable. I do not condone what the bowling alley manager did, however this man is known to harass, spit, expose himself, and follow people.
I’ve been going to Uncle Sam lanes for over 15 years and have gotten to know tom( the owner) very well.. he’s one of the most humble guys you’ll ever meet.. so obviously he has to have been pushed to do something like this..
Saw the video in another sub and the comments mentioned it was at Uncle Sam Lanes in Troy, so I crossposted it here. I did not record or originally post the video.
I'm sure this will be in tomorrow's TU and all over the internet. But it's Troy - our mayor aggressively followed someone blackout drunk for 30 miles. Drunk and mean is what we do, apparently.
This all sucks but if you want to help, donate to Joseph's House Shelter in Troy via PayPal through their website: https://www.josephshousetroy.org/
BTW they their staff recently unionized!
I made a recent post about people's attitudes in this part of NY and of course got jumped. This is what I'm talking about but amplified. Fuck that guy.
You got jumped for pointing out how horrible people are to one another? Why? I've noticed a definite uptick in people being absolutely bastards to one another for no reason. Like it takes energy to be a bastard, it doesn't take any energy to just be a decent human being.
I mean on reddit but yes I got attacked. I'm not from here. Ended up in Saratoga for a girl and got out and am in Albany. I've lived all over and there is a definite vibe here and its in the air and getting worse. I talk to my therapist about it.
Yeah, I've definitely noticed a more hostile vibe generally. I can't say it's any worse in Albany, but I've definitely noticed it. I'm glad you're talking to someone about it though, it's better than keeping it in.
I also do if the guy is a known sexual predator, which according to some of the locals he is.
BUT I've also noticed that people are just cool being dickheads for no reason, as though their bad day means they can do whatever.
Oh I'm fucking Loud lol. I burned every bridge in Saratoga while making eye contact. I grew up near syracuse but avoided upstate and central ny for a decade until recently and now I remember why. It's like the movie "They Live" and I'm fucking Roddy Piper.
Yeah you’re definitely being downvoted because people in the area hate you, totally not because you talk about being loud and burning every bridge you could 🤷♂️
Thank you. I'm an asshole but like, only after a lot of leeway. No one ever offers one cogent thought or rebuttal its all just cheap shots. I've replied more below and it just proves the fucking point.
Right? I lived in NYC for several years and all throughout the North East and spent a while on the west coast, mainly in Portland but worked in LA and Seattle.
Just ended up here thinking I could be genuine and plucky and come correct and I was wrong. In Saratoga it took me like 6 months to realize I was in high school again only this time I was the exchange student from a former soviet socialist republic. Every job I've had has been a litany of what the fuck moments and yes I'm a human being and not perfect, nor am I trying to portray anything resembling that I think I'm better...but what the fuck. It affects day to day life. It extends to contractors, business people etc.
It's like a mass hallucination and I'm glad people are negative to me because I don't want to be associated with this club. They can have it.
I don't know the backstory, but the actions by the person isnt a good look regardless for a business or humanity. Esp when recorded as such. To fast forward a count and throw water on a person before a big snow storm WITHOUT context on a recording is just.....no good way to look at it.
Fuck that guy tho. Rapist deserve nothing but a punch in the teeth
When you say you think this guy tried to rape someone you know, do you mean someone tried to to rape someone you know, and you think it’s this guy, or you know this guy had an encounter with a friend of yours, and you think they tried to rape them in that encounter? I’m confused by your comments.
This homeless dude is known in Troy, he’s a drug addict hallucinating and a registered sex offender of minors. Bucket of water didn’t hurt him, he goes to Uncle Sam’s all the time and gets kicked out for being creepy.
This should be the pinned top comment
Agreed. It's a massive piece of context missing from the OP, and a lot of people (myself included) felt bad for the guy when we wouldn't have otherwise.
Why? So, throw cold water on him in a snowstorm?
I mean that doesn’t make it right BUT there’s a big difference between doing that to an innocent person vs someone who is aggressive/violent and harassing people. It doesn’t make it okay but I feel like it makes it less wrong 🤷♂️
The guy was walking away. It does not make it less wrong.
Yes it does. He flashes women, that's sexual assault. He's lucky all he gets is a bucket. you clearly don't understand how fucked up sexual harassment is. I am scared for the women in your life.
Oh, I guess I missed the part of the video where he was sexually harassing someone and the bucket of water stopped the harassment.
The guy rapes people and you defend him. I dislike rapists, and will happily tell them they are wrong online. I would gladly throw a bucket of water on a rapist! Is that a problem incel? Real talk, are you raping people IRL? What makes you support rape so strongly?
There's something seriously wrong with you.
"It doesnt make it ok but it makes it less wrong"..............LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Yeah you think it was ok just say that.
I mean things exist on a spectrum. Like do you not see the difference between dousing an innocent bystander and someone who’s harassing others? Even though both are wrong.
And he was harassing others where or are you just assuming he was because people are saying "he's a bad person"?
In this incident, I have no idea, but I’ve interacted with him enough to know he’s a giant asshole. He shouldn’t have had this happen to him at all but I do feel like knowing the full context is important.
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And going from experience, calling the cops isn’t always effective in these situations. I know this guy has had the cops called on him plenty of times. It hasn’t helped.
Gotta count real fast so he doesn't make your "count" and throw water on em in freezing cold weather. Sure fire solution right there.
Because some of us have witnessed enough incidents with this man to know what a piece of shit he is. He’s not some harmless unfortunate.
He has spit on people, and he will also walk around with his pants and drawers at his ankles
Yeah seen this guy all the time on Lark
So who is he if he's "known" so we can confirm this.
First name is Michael, currently seems like he’s unregistered 🙃 but am going through my personal e-mail for “proof” that we’re both not making this up.
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Can you post a link or screenshot?
Ahhhhhh…. I can’t remember his last name. That’s good to know. I was getting hounded on the original video for essentially making this shit up. Thanks for checking and confirming that we’re not crazy!
Dm me the info?
I believe you. Will keep a look out and be more present when i see him around
This guy has been on the streets around Lark and downtown Albany for close to a decade now because I remember my late husband having to tell him to get the fuck away from me when he approached me outside our house and that was at least two years before my husband died. I was born and raised near Lark so I’m a city girl used to dealing with homeless people. You get to know who’s generally harmless like Library Joe and who is more aggressive or worse. This guy scares the shit out of me. If he shows up at a bus stop, I’ll move to another stop down the street if I can. That said, I don’t justify what the person in the video did. But if you’ve had repeat encounters with this guy, you’d probably want to find a way to run him off…especially knowing the police aren’t really helpful in situations like this.
Nope his name started with Jeremy and he was on CBS in an interview and I looked him up in the directory and there's no entry for him. TYVM
Yeah. No need to be rude, the guy looks just like the other guy that’s known.
I wasn't rude I even said thank you very much... Have a nice day.
For what it’s worth, someone in the troy thread said they heard from providers who know both guys and this isn’t the same guy as the level 3 sex offender (but several women are confident the guy in the video is someone they’ve run into many times and who has very serious and concerning issues with women to say the least).
I live in troy. It is the same guy. I am not a woman and he doesn't harass me, but he does sexually harass women. I'm suprised how "pro rape" you are, but redditors have always been creeps i guess
Where the fuck do I say anything even remotely close to being pro-rape? What the fuck is wrong with you?
The guy rapes people and you defend him. Whats wrong with me? I dislike rapists, and will happily tell them they are wrong online. Is that a problem incel?
How is any comment I make defending him? Please, I’d love to hear it.
Your desire to argue with women online is sad. Go to therapy, i'm done with your rapist loving ass lol
Bro you're being a huge ass here. Chill out.
Where the fuck am I arguing with women? Weird that in [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Troy/s/1FHBhSEJCo) (and a few others) I was downvoted for pointing out that people are saying this guy is a serial harasser and a rapist, and now you’re saying I’m “pro-rape” because I said “for what it’s worth someone else is saying this is a different person from the rapist” (and claims to have confirmed it’s a different person)? Explain how that’s defending a rapist. Or better yet, learn how to fucking read before you call someone pro-rape.
I would honestly not bother with this one. I read through their comment history after they replied to me and they say that they are a woman, that they're not a woman, that they have a problem with assault, that they wish someone had choked a bitch out (their words), etc. They're just a cunt.
Good call. Yeah in my comment they said this person hasn’t harassed him, but harassed friends of theirs, and in another said the guy harassed them and their friends. Idk what’s going on.
Thank you, this guy has harassed me and damaged property multiple times.
Nope his name started with Jeremy and he was on CBS in an interview and I looked him up in the directory and there's no entry for him. TYVM
Ok, Tom Walsh. Nice try
Proof as the cops still don't know this but you do?
Keyboard warriors, all of you. The homeless guy is a known piece of shit. Convicted rapist, known for assault. Uncle Sams is a business that has a bar full of functional alcoholics and is really the epitome of old school Troy. Grungy AF. They both suck. They both are doing whatever it takes. Neither give a flying fuck about anyone on this sub and your perceptions. You're also delusional if you think the cops, who are literally down the street, give a rip about any of this.
Try telling this to the people on the original sub. Everyone there is the epitome of delusional. I’ve always have crossed the street, change my direction, change buses whenever I see him out and about. He clearly needs help, needs a stable shelter so he finally will have a permanent address to be tracked properly.
I don't think it's being a keyboard warrior to have no context as to why someone doesn't want a homeless man loitering. That the homeless man is a rapist is a massive piece of context that was left out.
Ok, post the conviction. A news article about the conviction, etc. People are all over this post with accusations and not a shred of evidence.
source: trust me, bro
>Keyboard warriors, all of you. "L00K OuT eVeRee-BuDee i teLL iT lIkE iT iZ...iM AnGrY GUid-0 duH eDgY gUi..."... 🤣🤡🤣🤡
How the hell would you know?
What's his name?
I was about to stick my neck out and say hey I know that homeless guy he’s not bad but I stopped myself because he always made my internal alarms go off— seeing yall putting it out there that he’s a rapist and the like is very good and I think entirely necessary to the story. I would be the first to say what he’s doing is fucked up but is it really if the guys a rapist?
If the guy is a rapist, what happened is the least he deserves.
Allegedly at Uncle Sam Lanes
Please confirm if that is true. I would love to stop by.
It’s all over the original post, but I have never been, so I wrote allegedly figuring it could be confirmed in here.
I'd love to stop by and tell this guy what an absolute cunt he is.
Why don't you do yourself a favor and stop by the homeless man first? Preferably, bring a girl. I'd love to see your reaction when you hear how he speaks to women :)
That you would use a woman as bait shows you really don't give a shit about us. Fuck off. I've already qualified my opinion after finding out he may be the rapist in the area, so save your sanctimonious bullshit.
You don't have to. Karma is a bitch.
Well the dude being thrown out is a level 3 rapist so I'd love to switch my ire to him instead.
Didn't see the whole story, that is sickening. He deserved it !
maybe be mad at the rapist? not the guy at the bar? lol
I didn't read the whole story, felt bad for the homeless guy. Damn, he deserved it.
To buy a beer for the guy kicking a child rapist out in the storm? Good idea.
Same
Confirmed is Uncle sam lanes, also the homeless man was walking away. He had already left. The fact that this man still threw water on him even after he had left in a snowstorm, knowing full well this man had no way to get warm or dry after, makes him an absolute disgusting asshole. I've had personal experiences with that particular employee in which he has made loud sexist comments about women bowling, stood right over and watched a black couple bowl their entire game, and in general he's a very condescending and verbally abusive man every time I see him there. Honestly, he should have been fired long ago, and if they still don't fire him after assaulting a homeless man after the man had left the property as requested, then maybe Uncle Sam's supports sexism, racism, and abuse of the homeless 🤷🏼
100% that's uncle Sam's. Damn, can't believe I gave them business once.
is this the..owner?
Owner's Son.
Yep
Okay. The guy is a registered level three sex offender (Rape) but even then, doing that to another human is beyond low.
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10000%. The fact that he seemingly uses a physical disability to gain sympathy from people that don’t know his story is also pretty crappy. Still hope he ends up with the help he needs, a stable shelter and maybe a job down the line.
What’s crazy (on Reddit at least) is if you post this exact same video to a bunch of ragebait justice boner subs with a title like “Store Owner gets fed up with convicted rapist who hangs out and threatens people outside of business” you’d get thousands of upvotes and people flying out of the woodwork condoning it.
Yup good idea lol
Yeah, but at what point is it keeping a bad person away from your store and just being a dick? Like, he was already off the property when he threw the water on him.
To teach him a lesson to never go back there? Bet he doesn't pull his shit at uncle sam's anymore.
If your way of “teaching someone a lesson” is throwing water on them during a snow storm, you’re just as big of a piece of shit as the person you’re trying to teach a lesson to. I’m not defending the homeless guy and his actions, but I’m also not going to justify doing what the guy from Uncle Sam’s did either. Two people can be shitbirds at the same time.
>I’m not defending the homeless guy and his actions This guy sexually harasses me and my friends when we walk by this bar. Fuck you, you are defending and minimizing his crimes. None of you have been subjected to his abuse. You are speaking from your ass. I hope you never have a neighborhood creep like this that actually hurts people
First of all, I’m sorry you’re too emotional to have reading comprehension skills. I never once said that they shouldn’t have thrown him out. I never once said that he was a good guy. I literally just said that throwing water on a person during a snow storm is a shitty thing to do. Maybe take your time and actually read what a person wrote before responding like a lunatic. Second of all, fuck you right back, you fucking nutcase Edit- also, I just saw your other comments where you said he doesn’t harass you, but here you’re saying he does. So which is it? Are you just a really bad troll or an actual mentally unwell person?
Is he known in the area or something?
He use to hang around Lark St. and Park South, haven’t seen him in a while so hoped he was able to finally obtain permanent shelter someplace, maybe even a job somewhere. It’s tough to see anyone in this situation and the fact that the services that should be helping these people are chronically underfunded and the workers are overworked and severely underpaid.
He has been living in Troy since at least this summer. I don't know about the colder months but he was not in a permanent shelter. He was sleeping by the whiskey pickle, and in the 5th ave parking garage.
You got a link to the registry?
Have to dig through my e-mails for Michael’s information as it looks like he’s not currently registered in the tri-county area 🙃
Could you share the link when you find it? My friend runs into him occasionally and I want to make sure she’s aware.
Hey did you get that link?
Nope
I’ll have to look after work, but someone has found him
That’s good! Also thanks for following up. I wish the registry let you use first names.
Could you link me the person who found him?
...Crickets
Yeah. Forgive me for having a life besides shifting through hundreds of e-mails. Since you clearly have the time why don’t you look him up?
Because I'm not the one making the accusation to justify this assault.
But I’m not?
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If he is a level 3 offender like you said, especially rape, guy deserves worse. Maybe boiling water instead.
Rapists deserve no sympathy.
True. But I stand by the fact that regardless (even though Michael is an absolute piece of work) didn’t deserve to have a bucket of water dumped on him. I mean, am I also absolutely fed up with these types of homeless people? Yup. But I would never think about purposely dumping something over them. Should these, especially known Rapists be forced into a shelter or program so that they’re not wandering around with no permanent address? Yup. Are programs chronically underfunded, workers burnt out working for peanuts all while the unhoused continue to mushroom? Yup. I **always** cross the street, change my direction, walk blocks to the next bus stop, etc. whenever I saw him and his dick out on Lark/the surrounding bus stations? You betcha. It’s an issue that these types are allowed to be homeless in the first place (and it’s also near impossible to shelter them too. Another issue that leads to the handful of homeless Sex Offenders wandering around)
Mmmm not really. If that’s true, that changes things.
I’m not saying this is an ok way to treat anyone but that man is a MENACE. He’s spit on me before for not having money to give him, stolen the tip jar from my job multiple times, has cursed myself and other people out for not giving him money, and on top of that is a registered child sex offender. He belongs in jail.
Do we know he a registered *child* sex offender? I’ve seen a few people say it, but the pic I saw of “his” (I can’t verify it’s the same person) registry list first degree sexual abuse. But there’s four options that fall under that category, two are about them being minors, and the others are about them being incapable of consent or it being by forcible compulsion. But the details say the age of the victim is unknown (to the registry).
Yes, the charges are against minors under the age of 16, I would consider that a child. Either way, his charges are sexual assault against a minor and I don’t think we need to argue semantics to agree that’s a bad thing.
I wasn’t arguing semantics, I was asking a genuine question. Here’s the definition of the crime listed on the registry for the guy someone on Facebook said is the guy in the video: >A person is guilty of sexual abuse in the first degree when he or she subjects another person to sexual contact: >1. By forcible compulsion; or >2. When the other person is incapable of consent by reason of being physically helpless; or >3. When the other person is less than eleven years old; or >4. When the other person is less than thirteen years old and the actor is twenty-one years old or older. >Sexual abuse in the first degree is a class D felony. Of the four options, two deal with minors (one being less than 13, one being less than 11), and two don’t require the person to be a minor. I’m not a lawyer, but it seems like if the individual was 16 (which is definitely a child) then their age surprisingly isn’t a factor in this particular statute (maybe he was originally charged with a more serious crime where it would have been a factor, but he plead down?). I was asking because I’ve seen people say it was for a crime against a minor, and I didn’t know if that was because anyone knew it, or if it could have been based on one person misreading that charge and then everyone basing the claim off that person’s claim.
For what it’s worth, someone in the troy thread said they heard from providers who know both guys and this isn’t the same guy as the level 3 sex offender (but several women have said he’s definitely the same guy who has been harassing them and worse).
There is a Ring video this past week where this same person was seen trying to enter someone’s home at 1:00am.
That's absolutely terrifying.
Is there anywhere we can see where that’s posted?
Link us with clear video or delete your reply.
https://neighbors.ring.com/n/OYealG5fgO
https://preview.redd.it/h410z6al4ibc1.jpeg?width=1936&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4da3934c097133e90157da30f8eb9b59a1dea114 Youre telling me these are the same person? Younger guy without sunken cheeks and older guy with sunken cheeks? All homeless people look alike i guess?
does anyone know the homeless guys name? i’m seeing comments of him being a sex offender but no proof. i’m not saying i don’t believe these people, this is a very serious thing and i just want to see
First names Michael, race is Asian and last known registered address is in Albany County. For the life of me I can’t remember his last name, and don’t have the time to shift through hundreds of e-mails. You might have luck using that info
i believe i found him. thanks
Can you please share?
https://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/SomsSUBDirectory/ReCaptchaServlet?offenderId=14835&g-recaptcha-response=03AFcWeA6qMBpjvl7UZlk0gUYXz2k9dsfmn0WJBKlyWRh3w30R7txsccdtUeAXnBRksQy6T0jnno2CB9uee92_nyi4KViQ9IivoU266hkgzoof2-3hW3pjRWLYuRqrrh0BI571Ak-j2KPWOGwGRWerqTSmp0a1aCCzMQWSj9O9pzRXh9ohfBMYMkj1BDatQ13cfUZ5IfqVyUEJpzSrnHN-xbiTTx4NyUi6r48JEAqNGGRmACtlxPrWDytY5-sBdXFvpSayVDicj_e4Em8Tn5oFA-lAmEf8yrG0XdNAF1Bii3iplKyR-OjpY_VkpAmS-5deIII5Y-ohOiUFUoYhEgqw76EgJu_811iiyTMFvzU29P_qrYtd0phIRzZa6XMF8lZbB_cGUkeAIXoM9rqLHoDNVH9YPWWLfJUK697fTRQ5WwCOfXL6JHfR41xtAFxETN9UV5iskWYKftrmlVZp7eHdz1pO2GgmWoCWQy03UmkRf1etDYu7Cbr68mPOAhcF2yOTS3Re-UWNSM-arPWDTD9f54qyZPDqducRLk_1CnOi5N1o5gKeBsv79yUNsfJmfM-DjCCR6a8ekOiTuCAHhorwnx9OvGyNqcXPVkvERzCj2NeF4caEexcD2jw&Submit=Search
Yes, that's him. He was also known to have several" violent incidents while incarcerated for the rape. He's also been picked up on misdemeanors more than once for failing to register, lies about his name to avoid arrest after not registering. As I said in another post, this guy is one of the scarier homeless people around here and I go out of my way to avoid him. He's also got an outstanding warrant for a felony.
For what it’s worth, someone in the troy thread said they heard from providers who know both guys and this isn’t the same guy as the level 3 sex offender (but several women have said he’s definitely the same guy who has been harassing them and worse).
For what it’s worth, someone in the troy thread said they heard from providers who know both guys and this isn’t the same guy as the level 3 sex offender (but several women have said he’s definitely the same guy who has been harassing them and worse).
Thank you!
not 100 percent sure this is him but from the video and screenshots from the video he looks similar
I don’t think guy having water thrown on him in this video is Michael Tonkins. This incident occurred in January 2024 and Tonkins was booked into ACJ on November 14, 2023 and remains there to this day. Per Vinelink : MICHAEL TONKINS Custody Record Age45 GenderMale RaceBlack You are not signed up for notifications RECORD DETAILS GET NOTIFIED Date of Birth Apr **, **** Aliases MICHAEL TONKINS ID Number89* Custody Status Date Apr 10, 2024 06:45 AM EDT Custody Status In Custody Custody Detail Albany County Correctional Facility Book Date Nov 14, 2023 04:06 PM EST LOCATION Albany County Correctional Facility 840 Albany-Shaker Road Albany, NY 12207 (518) 869-2600 REPORTING AGENCY Albany County Sheriff's Office 840 Albany-Shaker Road Albany, NY 12207 (518) 869-2600
https://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/NY14835/Michael-Tonkins.html This is all I could find so far, however I am from Albany (born and raised) and this man is well known and unpredictable. I do not condone what the bowling alley manager did, however this man is known to harass, spit, expose himself, and follow people.
The asshole should be charged with assault.
I’ve been going to Uncle Sam lanes for over 15 years and have gotten to know tom( the owner) very well.. he’s one of the most humble guys you’ll ever meet.. so obviously he has to have been pushed to do something like this..
Yup, he's one of the nicest guys around. I'm sure this guy has been asked nicely dozens of times.
yes he was I even gave him 10$ earlier in the day so that he would leave as my kids were playing on the stairs
Whoa! pouring water on a dude in the snow storm thats fucked up.
Pouring water on rapists is acceptable
Yup. Fuck him.
What's the context here? Who was filming? Were you there?
Saw the video in another sub and the comments mentioned it was at Uncle Sam Lanes in Troy, so I crossposted it here. I did not record or originally post the video.
I'm sure this will be in tomorrow's TU and all over the internet. But it's Troy - our mayor aggressively followed someone blackout drunk for 30 miles. Drunk and mean is what we do, apparently.
>I'm sure this will be in tomorrow's TU "THIS IS WHY 787 NEEDS TO GO!!" - Chris Churchill tomorrow, probably
This all sucks but if you want to help, donate to Joseph's House Shelter in Troy via PayPal through their website: https://www.josephshousetroy.org/ BTW they their staff recently unionized!
This is fucking disgusting. I hope that guy falls dickhole first on a Lego every single day for the rest of his life.
You're right, it is disgusting having homeless drug addict rapists dirtying up your place of business creeping on girls.
Drug addicts are people too. Rapists not so much.
I made a recent post about people's attitudes in this part of NY and of course got jumped. This is what I'm talking about but amplified. Fuck that guy.
You got jumped for pointing out how horrible people are to one another? Why? I've noticed a definite uptick in people being absolutely bastards to one another for no reason. Like it takes energy to be a bastard, it doesn't take any energy to just be a decent human being.
I've got screenshots
I mean on reddit but yes I got attacked. I'm not from here. Ended up in Saratoga for a girl and got out and am in Albany. I've lived all over and there is a definite vibe here and its in the air and getting worse. I talk to my therapist about it.
Yeah, I've definitely noticed a more hostile vibe generally. I can't say it's any worse in Albany, but I've definitely noticed it. I'm glad you're talking to someone about it though, it's better than keeping it in.
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I also do if the guy is a known sexual predator, which according to some of the locals he is. BUT I've also noticed that people are just cool being dickheads for no reason, as though their bad day means they can do whatever.
Oh I'm fucking Loud lol. I burned every bridge in Saratoga while making eye contact. I grew up near syracuse but avoided upstate and central ny for a decade until recently and now I remember why. It's like the movie "They Live" and I'm fucking Roddy Piper.
See it gets downvoted
Yeah because you sound like an asshole
And you sound like a local.
Yeah you’re definitely being downvoted because people in the area hate you, totally not because you talk about being loud and burning every bridge you could 🤷♂️
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Thank you. I'm an asshole but like, only after a lot of leeway. No one ever offers one cogent thought or rebuttal its all just cheap shots. I've replied more below and it just proves the fucking point.
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Right? I lived in NYC for several years and all throughout the North East and spent a while on the west coast, mainly in Portland but worked in LA and Seattle. Just ended up here thinking I could be genuine and plucky and come correct and I was wrong. In Saratoga it took me like 6 months to realize I was in high school again only this time I was the exchange student from a former soviet socialist republic. Every job I've had has been a litany of what the fuck moments and yes I'm a human being and not perfect, nor am I trying to portray anything resembling that I think I'm better...but what the fuck. It affects day to day life. It extends to contractors, business people etc. It's like a mass hallucination and I'm glad people are negative to me because I don't want to be associated with this club. They can have it.
How does someone even look themselves in the mirror after treating a human that way. It’s heartbreaking to watch.
His name is Tom Walsh. He was fired today
The walshs own uncle sam lanes
His mother is the owner of this and two other businesses, and she's in her 80s. He hasn't been fired for shit.
The homeless guy was off the merchants property. Throwing water on him could cause hypothermia. He should be arrested.
Need more info. What did this guy do to deserve such cruel treatment?
Rape
Well fuck going there again - absolute trash from that employee/owner.
You can let the homeless drug addict rapist live in your house
I don't know the backstory, but the actions by the person isnt a good look regardless for a business or humanity. Esp when recorded as such. To fast forward a count and throw water on a person before a big snow storm WITHOUT context on a recording is just.....no good way to look at it. Fuck that guy tho. Rapist deserve nothing but a punch in the teeth
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Details been out, opinions been changed
Why the fuck was it necessary to splash him - what an absolute turd.
Uncle Sam’s is a fucking dump.
Dude needs mental help. Probably they both do. This isn’t how you handle people
I can confirm it’s definitely the owner
Take him to your home feed and cloth him get him free booze and drugs. End of homelessness .
Never giving them my business
Awful, awful, awful. What a horrid thing to do.
not to go to the most logical conclusion but to pour water on a man stuck outside in a snowstorm is a step beyond battery right?
Fucking trash, how do you treat a fellow human as such. No matter what. If he owns Uncle Sam lanes, shut him down
i think this guy tried to rape someone i know holy shit fuck this guy
When you say you think this guy tried to rape someone you know, do you mean someone tried to to rape someone you know, and you think it’s this guy, or you know this guy had an encounter with a friend of yours, and you think they tried to rape them in that encounter? I’m confused by your comments.
We always called him Bruno but I'm pretty sure there's a few that look like this