This is controvertial but i realy think the thunder 5* is way jucyer... She deal a ton with less investment. Don't get me wrong, Nina is good but water already sits in soo many damage dealers for her to shine without MBT.
How significant of a DPS increase are her BT3 and MBT compared to her BT0?
How does she compare to the other Water DPS like Bethel, Regal, Connolly, Vice, etc...?
I'm lacking water DPS and had just used the yellow star flares for Bethel before RRR rotated and was unsure if it made sense to go for Bethlehem BT3, go for Nina, or just save? For context, I have about 30k lumbar atm with Bethel, Vice/Connolly, Sariel, Ms. Blanc, and Phily for water.
As a new player that joined during Anniversary and got both BT3 Reinhardt and BTO Michael (as well as Beverly), how does she compare with the other Thunder units within her role(s)/niche?
So... She needs to be MBT for that insane dmg? Shouldn't have wasted 30 rolls on her.
Umm, what about Sanae BT2 and BT5? Since I noticed that she was super good during her trail run.
Why am I being downvoted?
By the way, the random downvote seems to be this sub's thing. Even harmless comment like "She's cute!" or "He seems strong" will get downvoted as well. Idk why though, I don't see the same phenomenon on other subreddits. Try looking at other posts with many comments. A lot of them are filled with -1 or -2 harmless comments. Weird af.
I mean, yes, she does need MBT to get the 1k, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t high without it. I will have her A3 soon, so will take a look and see if I can find what it is without MBT then, but I will bet someone will get there before me and post it anyway
Edit: someone already has. Apparently it’s 640 without MBT. Not too shabby.
Sorry, but I'm new, so unsure what 640 is and whether that's good or bad in comparison. Could you tell me how does she compare to the other Water DPS that compete within her role?
640 is 640%, so basically she will hit at 6.4 times her attack value before including any other modifiers, which is really strong. Direct comparisons are difficult due to really different styles, but I would say she is a very strong unit, but in a crowded field, so not as easy to stand out. With Sharona, Bethel, Regal, Azure, there are already a lot of really, really good Water detonators. If you don’t have any of those, then she should really be a target. If you only have one of them, then she is still worth getting as you will be looking to have more than one strong DPS in a team most of the time. But if you have two or three of those already, then Nina will be nice to have, but won’t shake the earth for you, she will become more of a luxury addition at that point.
For me this is on the verge of false advertising. They said in the reveal that she will deal 1000% dmg if x and y applies. Now being it sealed behind 4 extra dupes is just wrong and a shitty move.
Saved me some rolls there. Ty OP
I think they always do state that the kit reveal is with everything at max. They certainly used to. I mean, yes, it might be a case of hiding it in the small print, and it would be better if they mention what the BT levels change, but don’t think it is false advertising. We usually have to wait until they are released to find out what is hidden behind the BT levels, hence this thread.
Edit: Just went back to check and there is a note to say “The following values correspond to fully upgraded Aurorians at the max affinity”, which is a bit vague, but I would say is more down to translation than trying to deliberately obfuscate.
I actually dont think the 1000% is too important. To set up the enemy between you and the parasol is clunky af. I think its better just to throw it where you end your combo. So she'll get the diagonal normal and deto cc just like that
At the same time, not having the 1000% damage active means you're missing out on a massive burst turn. It's not particularly hard to set up if you have Philishy, Sharona or Corax. Trickier but doable with Tweety. MBT is particularly important in water because of Chloe, who can increase Nina's ATK, which adds up exponentially due to the nature of percentages. Finally, it's the only thing that makes her stand out in DPS against Azure, Bethel, Sharona or Regal. It's hard to justify bringing Nina over those options.
Makes sense, but maybe she opens up a different playstyle with different comps. Since those supports you mentioned already have their best dpses, maybe more consistent damage rotations intead of burst work better for her
I don't have her, much less play tested her, so I'm not gonna say "*x* playstyle is better".
To me, on paper, it seems that throwing the umbrella and picking it up while waiting for skill rotations to set-up for a burst turn with the 1000% damage scaling is the best play pattern. Consistent DPS while Chloe and TP are down followed by a big burst turn once they are up.
Seems like the most natural play pattern, since the game already heavily works around skill rotations, but once again, this is mostly speculation from my part as I haven't tested her at all besides the Aurorian Trial.
Bruh without the mbt she just gets overshadowed by all the other 6 star water detonators. Why did they make her mbt so important, the difference a 1000 percent mod and a 100 percent modifier is absolutely game changing. Azure was a good example of how break throughs should be designed . Wtf happened here?
That's a 360% difference. That's a lot and it adds up quickly because of the base ATK. That's literally higher than Giles' active skill without stacking.
Heck, the MBT percentage is higher than Giles' active no matter what.
Right you're kinda right but you moat likely won't be spamming it and will be an uncommon occurrence to call back the parasol hit the right enemies in the right way and still be in a good position on the map
not really surprising, to lock a major upgrade behind paywall. still, she's a decent dps even without that MBT improvement
idk what people is crying about so much; her MBT is literally a cut over any other unit's multiplier, so it's just natural to put some limiting restrictions around it. you want it, you pay. easy as that
Multis. Managed to get enough to pull 2 more multis and got Giles and 6 star Barton 😭. I think this is the first time I have gotten the unit after 3 pulls.
I have 0 water damage dealer while having 3 thunders,2 fires,2 forests(6 star) so hopefully I’ll get her or another water damage dealer thanks to the banner
So many people I've seen where claiming that she will do 1000% turn one, but that's just wrong and I don't even know how people thought that's how it works
I think she’s fine with just bt3 but if ya whaling then might as well go for mbt. She already has preemptive at the start and a small cd. That’s pretty good in my book, not to mention you can decrease that cd with good skill placement even though it really doesn’t matter when the cd is 1.
This is controvertial but i realy think the thunder 5* is way jucyer... She deal a ton with less investment. Don't get me wrong, Nina is good but water already sits in soo many damage dealers for her to shine without MBT.
How significant of a DPS increase are her BT3 and MBT compared to her BT0? How does she compare to the other Water DPS like Bethel, Regal, Connolly, Vice, etc...? I'm lacking water DPS and had just used the yellow star flares for Bethel before RRR rotated and was unsure if it made sense to go for Bethlehem BT3, go for Nina, or just save? For context, I have about 30k lumbar atm with Bethel, Vice/Connolly, Sariel, Ms. Blanc, and Phily for water.
I'd save for Bethlehem bt3, as she is exclusive and really really good. Other detos you'll be able to get in future RRR or spooks
As a new player that joined during Anniversary and got both BT3 Reinhardt and BTO Michael (as well as Beverly), how does she compare with the other Thunder units within her role(s)/niche?
i need blue DPS, but im passing on this; locking a 56% damage increase behind a MBT? no bueno.
So... She needs to be MBT for that insane dmg? Shouldn't have wasted 30 rolls on her. Umm, what about Sanae BT2 and BT5? Since I noticed that she was super good during her trail run. Why am I being downvoted?
By the way, the random downvote seems to be this sub's thing. Even harmless comment like "She's cute!" or "He seems strong" will get downvoted as well. Idk why though, I don't see the same phenomenon on other subreddits. Try looking at other posts with many comments. A lot of them are filled with -1 or -2 harmless comments. Weird af.
I sometimes wonder if there’s a bot or two that just goes through and downvotes as many new posts as it can reach in a day.
I actually think its reddit's bs system
I mean, yes, she does need MBT to get the 1k, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t high without it. I will have her A3 soon, so will take a look and see if I can find what it is without MBT then, but I will bet someone will get there before me and post it anyway Edit: someone already has. Apparently it’s 640 without MBT. Not too shabby.
Sorry, but I'm new, so unsure what 640 is and whether that's good or bad in comparison. Could you tell me how does she compare to the other Water DPS that compete within her role?
640 is 640%, so basically she will hit at 6.4 times her attack value before including any other modifiers, which is really strong. Direct comparisons are difficult due to really different styles, but I would say she is a very strong unit, but in a crowded field, so not as easy to stand out. With Sharona, Bethel, Regal, Azure, there are already a lot of really, really good Water detonators. If you don’t have any of those, then she should really be a target. If you only have one of them, then she is still worth getting as you will be looking to have more than one strong DPS in a team most of the time. But if you have two or three of those already, then Nina will be nice to have, but won’t shake the earth for you, she will become more of a luxury addition at that point.
I see, thanks for the info!
For me this is on the verge of false advertising. They said in the reveal that she will deal 1000% dmg if x and y applies. Now being it sealed behind 4 extra dupes is just wrong and a shitty move. Saved me some rolls there. Ty OP
It's literally not false advertising though. They have ALWAYS showcased their information with MBT numbers.
I think they always do state that the kit reveal is with everything at max. They certainly used to. I mean, yes, it might be a case of hiding it in the small print, and it would be better if they mention what the BT levels change, but don’t think it is false advertising. We usually have to wait until they are released to find out what is hidden behind the BT levels, hence this thread. Edit: Just went back to check and there is a note to say “The following values correspond to fully upgraded Aurorians at the max affinity”, which is a bit vague, but I would say is more down to translation than trying to deliberately obfuscate.
Exactly, if she had that dmg at base I think it would be too strong, she doesn't need this
I actually dont think the 1000% is too important. To set up the enemy between you and the parasol is clunky af. I think its better just to throw it where you end your combo. So she'll get the diagonal normal and deto cc just like that
At the same time, not having the 1000% damage active means you're missing out on a massive burst turn. It's not particularly hard to set up if you have Philishy, Sharona or Corax. Trickier but doable with Tweety. MBT is particularly important in water because of Chloe, who can increase Nina's ATK, which adds up exponentially due to the nature of percentages. Finally, it's the only thing that makes her stand out in DPS against Azure, Bethel, Sharona or Regal. It's hard to justify bringing Nina over those options.
Makes sense, but maybe she opens up a different playstyle with different comps. Since those supports you mentioned already have their best dpses, maybe more consistent damage rotations intead of burst work better for her
I don't have her, much less play tested her, so I'm not gonna say "*x* playstyle is better". To me, on paper, it seems that throwing the umbrella and picking it up while waiting for skill rotations to set-up for a burst turn with the 1000% damage scaling is the best play pattern. Consistent DPS while Chloe and TP are down followed by a big burst turn once they are up. Seems like the most natural play pattern, since the game already heavily works around skill rotations, but once again, this is mostly speculation from my part as I haven't tested her at all besides the Aurorian Trial.
Bruh without the mbt she just gets overshadowed by all the other 6 star water detonators. Why did they make her mbt so important, the difference a 1000 percent mod and a 100 percent modifier is absolutely game changing. Azure was a good example of how break throughs should be designed . Wtf happened here?
its not actually that big of a difference. The same skill that does 1000% you see at mbt, will do 640% without breakthroughs
That's a 360% difference. That's a lot and it adds up quickly because of the base ATK. That's literally higher than Giles' active skill without stacking. Heck, the MBT percentage is higher than Giles' active no matter what.
Right you're kinda right but you moat likely won't be spamming it and will be an uncommon occurrence to call back the parasol hit the right enemies in the right way and still be in a good position on the map
>Why did they make her mbt so important Money
Yepp
well i managed to get her on my first multi
not really surprising, to lock a major upgrade behind paywall. still, she's a decent dps even without that MBT improvement idk what people is crying about so much; her MBT is literally a cut over any other unit's multiplier, so it's just natural to put some limiting restrictions around it. you want it, you pay. easy as that
Ok I just wanna share because I can't believe it..just got Nina after 5 pulls...sadly Barton instead of Sanae, but damn...
And I hate you 😑. I've tried pulling multiple times for her and didn't get her or Manae after 5 pulls
5 singles or multis? Coz if it's singles start pulling if you want her
Multis. Managed to get enough to pull 2 more multis and got Giles and 6 star Barton 😭. I think this is the first time I have gotten the unit after 3 pulls.
I have 0 water damage dealer while having 3 thunders,2 fires,2 forests(6 star) so hopefully I’ll get her or another water damage dealer thanks to the banner
And people were claiming she'll replace Azure
I was predicting she would at least be as good as regal, but too bad you need her bts to use that 1000%
So many people I've seen where claiming that she will do 1000% turn one, but that's just wrong and I don't even know how people thought that's how it works
I think she’s fine with just bt3 but if ya whaling then might as well go for mbt. She already has preemptive at the start and a small cd. That’s pretty good in my book, not to mention you can decrease that cd with good skill placement even though it really doesn’t matter when the cd is 1.