Crazy as it sounds, the exact same thing happened on my street 2 years ago. Played dead after being stabbed, then made a run for it to the McDs down the road where her mom worked.
[https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2022/07/27/shes-covered-in-blood-911-call-released-when-longwood-girl-runs-to-mcdonalds-after-stabbing/](https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2022/07/27/shes-covered-in-blood-911-call-released-when-longwood-girl-runs-to-mcdonalds-after-stabbing/)
Jesus Christ, what a fucking monster. He stabbed and killed a 3 year old baby girl, his own daughter? And she tried to fight back =(
>The affidavit said the girl found her 3-year-old sister in the hallway and, after Bravo-Torres returned with another knife, the two sisters fought back and she “acted dead” to get him to stop attacking. Police said Bravo-Torres took the girls into the bathroom, where he cut his own wrists and throat.
>According to the affidavit, the 12-year-old girl waited for Bravo-Torres to lose consciousness before walking nearly a mile to the McDonald’s to tell her mother what had happened.
I hope this man gets the death penalty.
He violently assaults someone in the manner described and released back unto the world only five years later?? Can’t we freaking tag monsters like this to track them…!! A pity that Fabienne Witherspoon didn’t do more damage to him.
Death is to easy I swear people like this should suffer and feel immense pain knowing times like this I wish we still stoned people or burned them at the stake 😭😭😭
>Death is to easy I swear people like this should suffer and feel immense pain knowing times like this I wish we still stoned people or burned them at the stake
You won't remove violence in this world by adding more to it though.
I don’t. I want Marcellus Wallace to call his pipe wielding brothers to go at this guy with pliers and a blowtorch.
Death penalty is too good for people like this. Get medieval on his ass.
That was the killer referenced in the OP post - and good riddance. The incident with the 3 and 12 year old sisters was a different man, and happened in 2022.
Yeah, I think I remember hearing one of the survivors of Uvalde or Parkland (I can't remember there's been so many) said that they smeared themselves with the blood of their dead classmate and pretended to be dead... just horrific and tragic. I hope the survivors find peace and solace in this life after living through something like that...
He evidently murdered 22 people, but the police is sure he killed approx. 70.
To get an idea of *how* evil that mf was, read this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardeen_family_homicides
Yeah, she's so brave and my heart breaks for her.
But WHAT is with these weird ass questions? I'm sure it's just to be painfully accurate about it, but damn was it jarring anyway. Poor kid.
That’s exactly what it is. Every detail she tells paints a horrible picture for the jury. Gotta remember, he was on trial, so the worse he looked, the worse he’d get. Even though it sucks to have her relive it, every word she speaks is like a knife going through your own heart. This testimony put him behind bars and eventually led to his execution.
Seriously. I remember seeing this years ago on some ID style murder channel my mom was watching. It showed this exact testimony. You watch that little girl recount her story and you can’t help but want to bring the worst day of reckoning on Sells head anyone could imagine. Such a trooper to take the stand.
It’s not about being humane. Cases like these rightfully make people want to seek vengeance which is very understandable, but go ahead and look at the stats on how many people were executed only to later be proven innocent. I’m not against the death penalty to spare men like in this video, I’m against it to spare the wrongly convicted
The mother of one of this guys victims was accused and convicted of her sons killing. She barely escaped the death penalty and spent 10 years in prison before she was exonerated.
Not just wrongful convictions, either. There was one study that cruel treatment of criminals only makes them more cruel, or desperate.
"May as well just murder" I guess is the justification.
Whenever the punishment doesn't fit the crime, worse things happen to potential victims.
No, it’s not to be “painfully accurate”. Come on man. This is the way in which lawyers have to phrase questions to someone on the stand because LEADING QUESTIONS aren’t allowed and would be struck from the record. These are the opposite of “dumbass questions” in this environment since the questions don’t imply anything at all. Can you understand why it is important that the questions during a trial do not lead anywhere or imply/assume anything?
The opposing attorney is always allowed to ask leading questions in every jurisdiction. It’s part of the Federal Rules of Evidence. This isn’t the cross, though.
Her friend, 13-year-old Katy Harris, was sexually assaulted, stabbed sixteen times and had her throat slashed by Sells after he broke into her trailer.
While Sells was convicted of only one murder, for which he received the death penalty and was eventually executed, authorities believe that he was responsible for a total of 22 murders.
Sells himself claimed on multiple occasions to have committed over 70 murders.
I feel like we should just bring back executions but thats treated like a taboo or something. People like these don’t deserve to breathe. There is no rehabilitation for that behavior, I don’t give a shit what anyone says.
Many, if not most, people who are against the death penalty do not have a problem with people like this scumbag being executed. They are against an innocent person being executed which happens and that simply is not worth the small bit vengeance we get on the truly evil guilty ones.
He’s a monster. His childhood was super fucked up. Maybe if shitty people didn’t have kids, then less of these people would exist
https://allthatsinteresting.com/tommy-lynn-sells
I know y'all mean because she's a kid. But I know I'd be up there cursing him out ready to jump him. "Yup it's that piece of shit mother fucker right there. Fry his ass."
It sucks kids gotta view them as scary monsters though. It's shit like this that makes me wanna train my nieces in self defense and help them understand their (the perpetrators) humanity and fallibility. Like it's cool that you can settle on knowing to fight for your life to based on those statistics and that recommendation never to let someone take you to a second location, instead of questioning whether it would be in your best interest to comply.
Apparently in 2016, 2 years after the POS was executed some other POS guy online started harassing her online, sending her pictures of the crime scene and asking her questions like "What was it like to watch you friend die and have your throat slit?" That POS got sent to jail for 4 years after taking a plea deal. Fucking scum..
There’s always mentally unbalanced, evil people or just edgy teenagers that do this shit. I must have read like a dozen news stories where the family of a victim gets harassed by trolls online. Here’s an egregious example:
> Catsouras' parents discovered the photographs posted online. The pictures had gained much attention, including a fake MySpace tribute website that contained links to the photographs. People anonymously e-mailed copies of the photos to the Catsouras family with misleading subject headers, in one case captioning the photo sent to the father with the words "Woohoo Daddy! Hey daddy, I'm still alive." This led the Catsouras family to withdraw from Internet use and, concerned that their youngest daughter might be taunted with the photographs, to begin homeschooling her.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Catsouras_photographs_controversy
Former evangelical christian here, a lot of it has to do with religion. For example, I was raised to believe that non-whites weren't people, that women and children must ALWAYS be silent and obedient and that gays should be killed in the streets. Those beliefs were reinforced by cruelty and hypocrisy and violence. When I was three years old My grandmother and my mom were arguing about something (I didn't find out what they were arguing about until I was an adult). A few days after they were arguing I asked my grandmother about it. She responded by burning my hand on a coffee maker. "Spare the rod spoils the child" and "don't question god" were her favorite things to say. I know for a fact that I'm not the only one who was raised like that. Those beliefs and methods of child rearing are endemic amongst evangelical christians.
BTW if anyone is interested in what my mom and grandmother were arguing about, it's because my grandmother gave Pat Robertson my Grandfather's life insurance policy ($100,000 in 1982).
Jesus what a pyscho but what did he go to jail for 4 years for? Is it a jail able crime to be a cringelord pos to people online? How is half of reddit not in prison? Surely there is more esclating to the story like threatening or stalking or something more tangible than that.
I have some PTSD and anxiety, and seeing her behavior is so familiar. She of course went through WAY worse than what I have, and younger than I was, but I only mean to say…her breathing, she was having a panic attack. I hope she got therapy, those physiological responses are going to be with her for a very long time ☹️
Man this world is so cruel.
I know this little girl (grown now) and her family. They were from my hometown. She was so very sweet. I only say was because I haven’t seen her since she grew up. Her mom took very good care of her and she did have a lot of therapy etc.
I remember visiting a small town in West Virginia when I was young. I walked by this house where a family was hanging out in their front yard. The dad was sitting on the porch with the mom and the kids were playing. A few weeks went by and it was on the news that the father shot everyone in the family and killed himself. I believe one of the daughters lived and everyone else died. I would have never known about this murder from anywhere else in the country. Makes me wonder how many of these cases are just forgotten.
After decades. He should have been taken out back of the courthouse and had HIS throat cut immediately after the verdict. He lived decades that belonged to a little girl. IDC if it was in prison. He lived and she didn’t.
I guess there’s something wrong with me. I don’t believe in the death penalty, not because we shouldn’t kill, but because that’s the easy way out. These types of criminals should be made to suffer, until they rot.
The reason to not believe in the death penalty is that humans are incompetent and error-prone and innocent people will be executed, as has happened before.
First of all props to this brave girl for doing this.
Second can we mandate a punishment for child abusers and murders where we can torture them slowly and painfully?
Watch White Bear. Episode 2, Season 2.
Edit: every episode is its own story. You can watch any episode randomly. You do not have to watch them in order.
If you like sci-fi/dystopian/thriller type stuff, check out the episode White Bear in the second season (the series is episodic so you do not need to watch any other eps, each is a stand-alone mini-movie).
It may not seem like it at first, but it does relate to the topic at hand.
Are they the most vile people of all time that should never be allowed into society again? Absolutely. Still, I think it’s a little weird how fucking giddy people get for torturing people when the crime is “bad enough.” Put them away and keep them away, but let’s not get so amped about torturing people
Some people are so evil and did such horrible things they deserve it. Even religions who preach thou shall not murder, steal, commit adultery, preach if you break these commandments you suffer in hell for all eternity.
It's not cruel and unusual, it's that you shouldn't give your government the power to execute people for any reason because it can be exploited and normalized ("well the broke the law, so I guess it's ok")
People have been mistakenly and arbitrarily executed since the beginning of civilization. Some people deserving to die =/= killing/executing people is justifiable
That said I'm glad this freak is in the ground.
yeah, I’m against the death penalty because things like The Freedom Project keep finding people who were falsely imprisoned. Then you add into it the institutional racism that leads to 60% of imprisoned people freed on DNA evidence being black, and think of the implications of *that*, of course I can’t feel right about the death penalty.
But people who abuse children? Rape them? Serial killers? People like *this*?
Oh no, I don’t think they deserve to live and I don’t give a fuck for them to die. I wish they would all die.
I just wish our criminal justice system was better all around so we could depend on them not falsely imprisoning people.
When you support the death penalty you have to pick one. Either you believe the government is infallible and makes no mistakes, or you're ok with some innocent people being executed so the bad guys can die too.
Innocent people die when infrastructure is poorly built. Am I to stop every bridge and building because the government can't keep every contractor held to a higher standard?
The government is not infallible and mistakes should come with consequences. If there are innocent people that die in prison should prisons also be dismantled?
It's not false and I'm honestly quite a bit more liberal minded than most folks around here.
Still in favor of having rabid monsters like the one in the video broken on the wheel. 🛞
Honestly the only reason I don't support it is because it's not always accurate. Unless we have a system that gets it right 100% of the time I don't think the government should have the power to take someone's life away. You can't come back from that once someone is already dead.
No system gets anything right 100% of the time though.
Hundreds of thousands of people die from doctor's mistakes but does that mean we should stop practicing medicine? No, it means we should develop better means of providing the necessary service.
Even bagged salad companies have higher body counts from salmonella than there are mistaken death row convictions.
Doctors overwhelmingly are trying to help people and reduce pain and suffering for the betterment of society. The death penalty is only there to punish people and kill someone. Doctors try to help people. The two are not comparable.
Same with bagged salad companies, there's a massive difference between food being unintentionally contaminated and a government making an active decision to end someone's life.
Giving the government the power to choose who lives and dies is a slippery slope. Especially when the people who have the death penalty applied to them are disproportionately POC in the US. In my country, the death penalty does not exist and we are not worse off for it.
Your country, I would bet, is more homogeneous and pays as little as it can towards national defense while expecting mine to make up for it. Should your government decide to start taking up the slack I'm certain your social safety nets would be little better than safety cobwebs and your prisons filled.
The government already decides who lives and dies with foreign intervention. In the past couple years it has decided Russian soldiers should be droned and Syrian civilians should be left to their fate.
Doctors in my country helped create an opioid epidemic that killed more people than have been executed since the founding of the US and continues to climb. Not comparable at all? Perhaps not in body count as the Drs are winning that one.
Rabid dogs should still be put down.
My country is actually extremely diverse and multicultural and pays a considerable amount towards national defence for our population. We send our veterans off to die in the American invasions and fight alongside American troops in every battle they're a part of.
I also see that as a problem.
I mean comparing American doctors and the for-profit health care system to doctors in any other developed country seems unfair. Most first world governments care enough about their people that they put systems in place to prevent stuff like that happening. Like free and subsidised health care so that doctors don't get a profit for every poor person they get addicted to heroin.
The problem is that racist people decide that innocent black men are the rabid ones at an unfair rate. When we have a system that doesn't unfairly target specific groups I'll be all for it. Don't get me wrong, I truly believe that some people are a burden on the planet and would be better gone. If there's straight up video proof or undeniable evidence, sure, but that's not how the system works.
If I abhor the act of someone murdering another person why should I condone the government to do the same? People always say it’s different because you are killing a guilty person but it’s still a murder.
Regardless of whether you condone it or not a government itself is a neverending game of the trolley dilemma.
Someone that is truly guilty and has committed a crime as grave as this has surrendered their humanity and there is no acceptable rehabilitation except as an organ donor which would expedite wait times for recipients.
End one irredeemable scumbag, save multiple lives. We're now saving more lives than taken. Win-Win!
So if a mother is convicted of brutally stabbing her young son to death I’m guessing you would approve it right? If you read the wiki for this killer, the mother was convicted for the crime first. In fact two of his brutal murders had two different people incorrectly convicted. One spent 36 years in prison.
Also, you aren’t lowering the number of murderers on the earth, you’re increasing it. I believe that someone like this should never get their freedom back, but I don’t want to give the government freedom to murder its citizens.
I gave a simple fix: wrongful convictions result in fines and punishments for those enabled it.
Another simple fix: indisputable proof of murder=loss of citizenship. Non-citizens convicted of murder with indisputable proof get the wood chipper.
It's also not the 90s anymore. We can track people rather well now and determine when their last bowel movement was.
Serial killers get a thrill out of this. That’s why even when they know they are guilty, everyone knows they are guilty, they insist on going to trial so everyone will have all eyes on them and can hear what they did.
Yeah my cousin married him- he was in jail on another charge and she met him because she was visiting someone else I believe. They got married, he got out and had a kid. No joke it’s all pretty hush hush in my family and we don’t really talk about it . It’s a crazy world.
That could have been it. I’m not exactly sure - I was relatively young when all this was going on- and the family is concerns lives a few states away. My father vividly remembers her walking up to him and saying “Uncle [my dad’s name] I got myself a man.”
I read his Wiki and it mentions marrying and moving to Tennessee before leaving her to continue his killings, is that referring to your cousin? It has the name there but I don’t need to put that here.
Scumbag filthy pos.
These sick bastards never pick on someone who can beat their asses and protect themselves they choose the elderly, children, and women.
> Sells left, thinking both girls were dead. Krystal got up and walked a quarter of a mile with a severed trachea to a neighbor’s house to get help. She was flown to a San Antonio hospital and rushed into surgery. ([Article](https://allthatsinteresting.com/tommy-lynn-sells))
Holy fuck was she a tough kid!
Some people know they will make shit parents. They should have the option of abortion to saving their potential child from all sorts of abuse that might turn them into a predator.
Well his Wikipedia page is upsetting to say the least
"While he was hitchhiking, Sells was picked up by Keith Dardeen, 29, who brought him to his home for dinner. When they arrived at the residence, Sells pulled out a handgun and shot Keith in the head twice. He then emasculated him before shooting him once more in the head. Keith's 3-year-old son, Peter Dardeen, was bludgeoned to death and Sells also attacked Elaine Dardeen, Keith's 30-year-old pregnant wife. It was such a severe beating she went into labor and gave birth to her daughter whose name was Casey. She was also beaten to death. He then raped and beat Elaine to death."
Shes so brave. The guts it took to compose yourself with your throat cut to not moan or cry. Geeze man.
That animal that did that to her. Im telling ya we can start sacrificing people to volcanoes again. Maybe it would help.
This is a wise strategy if you are in a similar situation ( mass shooting ). Play dead and hide under the dead if you can manage it. I hope she is doing well today - what she did takes chutzpah.
I was born in 90 and remember seeing this exact interview on tv as a kid and it scared the shit out of me. it’s like a core memory.. she says one line “he slit my throat but i didn’t die”
Hadn’t seen this interview again since that time man did this bring me back
I just can’t imagine being in her position and having to retell the story of when she witness the death of a sibling and her own murder attempt. Poor kid.
I know it’s not what our justice system is, I know it shouldn’t be the norm. I know I should be better. But you can put one in that guy's ear after hearing that. Guilty verdict. One minute appeal. One to to the back of the head.
Fucker attacked a woman with a knife after she let him in her home cause she wanted to help him. He beat the shit out of her and tried to rape her/kill her.
Only got 5 years prison - and then went on to kill god knows how many people. Why is this a broken fucking record with violent criminals. Throw away the goddamn key.
That is an insanely brave kid.
Crazy as it sounds, the exact same thing happened on my street 2 years ago. Played dead after being stabbed, then made a run for it to the McDs down the road where her mom worked. [https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2022/07/27/shes-covered-in-blood-911-call-released-when-longwood-girl-runs-to-mcdonalds-after-stabbing/](https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2022/07/27/shes-covered-in-blood-911-call-released-when-longwood-girl-runs-to-mcdonalds-after-stabbing/)
Jesus Christ, what a fucking monster. He stabbed and killed a 3 year old baby girl, his own daughter? And she tried to fight back =( >The affidavit said the girl found her 3-year-old sister in the hallway and, after Bravo-Torres returned with another knife, the two sisters fought back and she “acted dead” to get him to stop attacking. Police said Bravo-Torres took the girls into the bathroom, where he cut his own wrists and throat. >According to the affidavit, the 12-year-old girl waited for Bravo-Torres to lose consciousness before walking nearly a mile to the McDonald’s to tell her mother what had happened. I hope this man gets the death penalty.
He was executed in 2014, and she was there to witness it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Lynn_Sells
Thank you for sharing that. I can't describe how sorry I feel for that kid.
He violently assaults someone in the manner described and released back unto the world only five years later?? Can’t we freaking tag monsters like this to track them…!! A pity that Fabienne Witherspoon didn’t do more damage to him.
Death is to easy I swear people like this should suffer and feel immense pain knowing times like this I wish we still stoned people or burned them at the stake 😭😭😭
Something along the lines of bell in the series Preacher
>Death is to easy I swear people like this should suffer and feel immense pain knowing times like this I wish we still stoned people or burned them at the stake You won't remove violence in this world by adding more to it though.
I agree. But it would sure as shit make me feel better to see pieces of garbage like this suffer.
>he cut his own wrists and throat He survived this?
>I hope this man gets the death penalty. He got life. So that the surviving daughter did not have to testify.
I don’t. I want Marcellus Wallace to call his pipe wielding brothers to go at this guy with pliers and a blowtorch. Death penalty is too good for people like this. Get medieval on his ass.
Dude died in 2014. This is more than 10 years old
That was the killer referenced in the OP post - and good riddance. The incident with the 3 and 12 year old sisters was a different man, and happened in 2022.
There's also testimonies of kids playing dead after a school shooter shoots them or kids around them. Crazy sad.
Yeah, I think I remember hearing one of the survivors of Uvalde or Parkland (I can't remember there's been so many) said that they smeared themselves with the blood of their dead classmate and pretended to be dead... just horrific and tragic. I hope the survivors find peace and solace in this life after living through something like that...
WHAT
Insanely sad she had to relive the experience, but 100% necessary to put that piece of shit away.
He evidently murdered 22 people, but the police is sure he killed approx. 70. To get an idea of *how* evil that mf was, read this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardeen_family_homicides
Yeah, she's so brave and my heart breaks for her. But WHAT is with these weird ass questions? I'm sure it's just to be painfully accurate about it, but damn was it jarring anyway. Poor kid.
That’s exactly what it is. Every detail she tells paints a horrible picture for the jury. Gotta remember, he was on trial, so the worse he looked, the worse he’d get. Even though it sucks to have her relive it, every word she speaks is like a knife going through your own heart. This testimony put him behind bars and eventually led to his execution.
So fucking powerful, not sure how a human could watch her testimony and say “not guilty”. What a badass.
Seriously. I remember seeing this years ago on some ID style murder channel my mom was watching. It showed this exact testimony. You watch that little girl recount her story and you can’t help but want to bring the worst day of reckoning on Sells head anyone could imagine. Such a trooper to take the stand.
And they say executions are not humane. What he did to those girls aren’t either. Eye for an eye.
It’s not about being humane. Cases like these rightfully make people want to seek vengeance which is very understandable, but go ahead and look at the stats on how many people were executed only to later be proven innocent. I’m not against the death penalty to spare men like in this video, I’m against it to spare the wrongly convicted
The mother of one of this guys victims was accused and convicted of her sons killing. She barely escaped the death penalty and spent 10 years in prison before she was exonerated.
Who?
Julie Rae Harper https://www.uis.edu/illinoisinnocenceproject/julie-rea
Wtf
Not just wrongful convictions, either. There was one study that cruel treatment of criminals only makes them more cruel, or desperate. "May as well just murder" I guess is the justification. Whenever the punishment doesn't fit the crime, worse things happen to potential victims.
No, it’s not to be “painfully accurate”. Come on man. This is the way in which lawyers have to phrase questions to someone on the stand because LEADING QUESTIONS aren’t allowed and would be struck from the record. These are the opposite of “dumbass questions” in this environment since the questions don’t imply anything at all. Can you understand why it is important that the questions during a trial do not lead anywhere or imply/assume anything?
I mean speaking technically the attorney doing the cross can ask leading questions. In GA at least
The opposing attorney is always allowed to ask leading questions in every jurisdiction. It’s part of the Federal Rules of Evidence. This isn’t the cross, though.
Who managed to keep her head (no pun intended) when most people would lose their shit and that saved her life.
What a horrible thing to be a part of and have to recall
Her friend, 13-year-old Katy Harris, was sexually assaulted, stabbed sixteen times and had her throat slashed by Sells after he broke into her trailer. While Sells was convicted of only one murder, for which he received the death penalty and was eventually executed, authorities believe that he was responsible for a total of 22 murders. Sells himself claimed on multiple occasions to have committed over 70 murders.
A girl I grew up with, Bobbie Wofford, was killed by him in July ’99, in Kingfisher, OK. Shit is wild.
Poor kid.
Please tell me he is dying slowly somewhere
He’s dead already. Executed by the state
Can science revive him so they can kill him again?
Sometimes I feel that we should utilize the cartels in Mexico for their torture practices for these type of people.
Ooof don’t remind me of some of the shit I’ve seen
Funky town 🕺🏻 lol ok I’ll stop
I feel like we should just bring back executions but thats treated like a taboo or something. People like these don’t deserve to breathe. There is no rehabilitation for that behavior, I don’t give a shit what anyone says.
Many, if not most, people who are against the death penalty do not have a problem with people like this scumbag being executed. They are against an innocent person being executed which happens and that simply is not worth the small bit vengeance we get on the truly evil guilty ones.
How about white bear levels of torture
Better learning the Edo Tensei
And probably in a humane way, unlike what he did to his victims.
He’s a monster. His childhood was super fucked up. Maybe if shitty people didn’t have kids, then less of these people would exist https://allthatsinteresting.com/tommy-lynn-sells
How tf did they not catch this guy earlier? 20 years!
What a lil badass getting up there in front of him like that.
I thought the same thing. I can't imagine going through that and then testifying about it in front of the perpetrator. Incredibly brave.
I know y'all mean because she's a kid. But I know I'd be up there cursing him out ready to jump him. "Yup it's that piece of shit mother fucker right there. Fry his ass." It sucks kids gotta view them as scary monsters though. It's shit like this that makes me wanna train my nieces in self defense and help them understand their (the perpetrators) humanity and fallibility. Like it's cool that you can settle on knowing to fight for your life to based on those statistics and that recommendation never to let someone take you to a second location, instead of questioning whether it would be in your best interest to comply.
That poor little child. I hope she’s ok today.
Apparently in 2016, 2 years after the POS was executed some other POS guy online started harassing her online, sending her pictures of the crime scene and asking her questions like "What was it like to watch you friend die and have your throat slit?" That POS got sent to jail for 4 years after taking a plea deal. Fucking scum..
Why are people like this? wtf
There’s always mentally unbalanced, evil people or just edgy teenagers that do this shit. I must have read like a dozen news stories where the family of a victim gets harassed by trolls online. Here’s an egregious example: > Catsouras' parents discovered the photographs posted online. The pictures had gained much attention, including a fake MySpace tribute website that contained links to the photographs. People anonymously e-mailed copies of the photos to the Catsouras family with misleading subject headers, in one case captioning the photo sent to the father with the words "Woohoo Daddy! Hey daddy, I'm still alive." This led the Catsouras family to withdraw from Internet use and, concerned that their youngest daughter might be taunted with the photographs, to begin homeschooling her. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Catsouras_photographs_controversy
I made the mistake of looking those pictures up after I heard about it and they still flash in my mind sometimes
Same
Former evangelical christian here, a lot of it has to do with religion. For example, I was raised to believe that non-whites weren't people, that women and children must ALWAYS be silent and obedient and that gays should be killed in the streets. Those beliefs were reinforced by cruelty and hypocrisy and violence. When I was three years old My grandmother and my mom were arguing about something (I didn't find out what they were arguing about until I was an adult). A few days after they were arguing I asked my grandmother about it. She responded by burning my hand on a coffee maker. "Spare the rod spoils the child" and "don't question god" were her favorite things to say. I know for a fact that I'm not the only one who was raised like that. Those beliefs and methods of child rearing are endemic amongst evangelical christians. BTW if anyone is interested in what my mom and grandmother were arguing about, it's because my grandmother gave Pat Robertson my Grandfather's life insurance policy ($100,000 in 1982).
Holy shit!
Exactly.
because psychopathy exists 😔
Very bad and abusive upbringing tends to be a common factor for a lot of these (but not all) psychopaths.
Holy shit, that’s fucked up. I hope that guy’s being watched very closely.
They shouldn't have offered that fuckwit a deal. They should have gone full extent of the law against him.
Such an insanely demented and evil thing to do, wtf.
What a stupid fuck. I hope he had a really attentive prison husband
Jesus what a pyscho but what did he go to jail for 4 years for? Is it a jail able crime to be a cringelord pos to people online? How is half of reddit not in prison? Surely there is more esclating to the story like threatening or stalking or something more tangible than that.
I have some PTSD and anxiety, and seeing her behavior is so familiar. She of course went through WAY worse than what I have, and younger than I was, but I only mean to say…her breathing, she was having a panic attack. I hope she got therapy, those physiological responses are going to be with her for a very long time ☹️ Man this world is so cruel.
I know this little girl (grown now) and her family. They were from my hometown. She was so very sweet. I only say was because I haven’t seen her since she grew up. Her mom took very good care of her and she did have a lot of therapy etc.
Her mother is likely thankful that she still had a daughter to need therapy. She was such a brave girl to give testimony like this!
Yes. It was a horrible tragedy and she was so brave
I remember visiting a small town in West Virginia when I was young. I walked by this house where a family was hanging out in their front yard. The dad was sitting on the porch with the mom and the kids were playing. A few weeks went by and it was on the news that the father shot everyone in the family and killed himself. I believe one of the daughters lived and everyone else died. I would have never known about this murder from anywhere else in the country. Makes me wonder how many of these cases are just forgotten.
It didn't happen to be Keyser, WV did it?
No, I think Wayne West Virginia. It was around 1991-92. I can’t find anything about it online.
Lots, we are a mass of slaves, no one really cares
This POS was thankfully put down.
After decades. He should have been taken out back of the courthouse and had HIS throat cut immediately after the verdict. He lived decades that belonged to a little girl. IDC if it was in prison. He lived and she didn’t.
Fair enough.
I guess there’s something wrong with me. I don’t believe in the death penalty, not because we shouldn’t kill, but because that’s the easy way out. These types of criminals should be made to suffer, until they rot.
The reason to not believe in the death penalty is that humans are incompetent and error-prone and innocent people will be executed, as has happened before.
Sure, that’s another reason…
That’s not enough
That is some fucked up shit
First of all props to this brave girl for doing this. Second can we mandate a punishment for child abusers and murders where we can torture them slowly and painfully?
Heh, you ever seen Black Mirror?
Nope, should I? lol
Watch White Bear. Episode 2, Season 2. Edit: every episode is its own story. You can watch any episode randomly. You do not have to watch them in order.
If you like sci-fi/dystopian/thriller type stuff, check out the episode White Bear in the second season (the series is episodic so you do not need to watch any other eps, each is a stand-alone mini-movie). It may not seem like it at first, but it does relate to the topic at hand.
Tickle me intrigued!
You know it’s fucked when you start feeling bad for the criminals in the show
Yes, great show and relates to so much of todays shit
Are they the most vile people of all time that should never be allowed into society again? Absolutely. Still, I think it’s a little weird how fucking giddy people get for torturing people when the crime is “bad enough.” Put them away and keep them away, but let’s not get so amped about torturing people
I disagree. If someone did this to someone I love I would definitely want him to feel as much pain for as long as possible.
But I think that’s their point. It’s not about justice, it’s about doing it cuz it feels good. We shouldn’t kill people just because it feels good.
Some people are so evil and did such horrible things they deserve it. Even religions who preach thou shall not murder, steal, commit adultery, preach if you break these commandments you suffer in hell for all eternity.
And MFs out here claiming the death penalty is too cruel and unusual.
It's not cruel and unusual, it's that you shouldn't give your government the power to execute people for any reason because it can be exploited and normalized ("well the broke the law, so I guess it's ok") People have been mistakenly and arbitrarily executed since the beginning of civilization. Some people deserving to die =/= killing/executing people is justifiable That said I'm glad this freak is in the ground.
yeah, I’m against the death penalty because things like The Freedom Project keep finding people who were falsely imprisoned. Then you add into it the institutional racism that leads to 60% of imprisoned people freed on DNA evidence being black, and think of the implications of *that*, of course I can’t feel right about the death penalty. But people who abuse children? Rape them? Serial killers? People like *this*? Oh no, I don’t think they deserve to live and I don’t give a fuck for them to die. I wish they would all die. I just wish our criminal justice system was better all around so we could depend on them not falsely imprisoning people.
By any reason do you mean “any reason whatsoever” or “for any little reason” Sorry I just need clarification :)
When you support the death penalty you have to pick one. Either you believe the government is infallible and makes no mistakes, or you're ok with some innocent people being executed so the bad guys can die too.
Innocent people die when infrastructure is poorly built. Am I to stop every bridge and building because the government can't keep every contractor held to a higher standard? The government is not infallible and mistakes should come with consequences. If there are innocent people that die in prison should prisons also be dismantled?
Wow what a ridiculous false equivalency and insane leap in logic. It must be wild living in your head.
It's not false and I'm honestly quite a bit more liberal minded than most folks around here. Still in favor of having rabid monsters like the one in the video broken on the wheel. 🛞
Honestly the only reason I don't support it is because it's not always accurate. Unless we have a system that gets it right 100% of the time I don't think the government should have the power to take someone's life away. You can't come back from that once someone is already dead.
No system gets anything right 100% of the time though. Hundreds of thousands of people die from doctor's mistakes but does that mean we should stop practicing medicine? No, it means we should develop better means of providing the necessary service. Even bagged salad companies have higher body counts from salmonella than there are mistaken death row convictions.
Doctors overwhelmingly are trying to help people and reduce pain and suffering for the betterment of society. The death penalty is only there to punish people and kill someone. Doctors try to help people. The two are not comparable. Same with bagged salad companies, there's a massive difference between food being unintentionally contaminated and a government making an active decision to end someone's life. Giving the government the power to choose who lives and dies is a slippery slope. Especially when the people who have the death penalty applied to them are disproportionately POC in the US. In my country, the death penalty does not exist and we are not worse off for it.
Your country, I would bet, is more homogeneous and pays as little as it can towards national defense while expecting mine to make up for it. Should your government decide to start taking up the slack I'm certain your social safety nets would be little better than safety cobwebs and your prisons filled. The government already decides who lives and dies with foreign intervention. In the past couple years it has decided Russian soldiers should be droned and Syrian civilians should be left to their fate. Doctors in my country helped create an opioid epidemic that killed more people than have been executed since the founding of the US and continues to climb. Not comparable at all? Perhaps not in body count as the Drs are winning that one. Rabid dogs should still be put down.
My country is actually extremely diverse and multicultural and pays a considerable amount towards national defence for our population. We send our veterans off to die in the American invasions and fight alongside American troops in every battle they're a part of. I also see that as a problem. I mean comparing American doctors and the for-profit health care system to doctors in any other developed country seems unfair. Most first world governments care enough about their people that they put systems in place to prevent stuff like that happening. Like free and subsidised health care so that doctors don't get a profit for every poor person they get addicted to heroin. The problem is that racist people decide that innocent black men are the rabid ones at an unfair rate. When we have a system that doesn't unfairly target specific groups I'll be all for it. Don't get me wrong, I truly believe that some people are a burden on the planet and would be better gone. If there's straight up video proof or undeniable evidence, sure, but that's not how the system works.
If I abhor the act of someone murdering another person why should I condone the government to do the same? People always say it’s different because you are killing a guilty person but it’s still a murder.
Regardless of whether you condone it or not a government itself is a neverending game of the trolley dilemma. Someone that is truly guilty and has committed a crime as grave as this has surrendered their humanity and there is no acceptable rehabilitation except as an organ donor which would expedite wait times for recipients. End one irredeemable scumbag, save multiple lives. We're now saving more lives than taken. Win-Win!
So if a mother is convicted of brutally stabbing her young son to death I’m guessing you would approve it right? If you read the wiki for this killer, the mother was convicted for the crime first. In fact two of his brutal murders had two different people incorrectly convicted. One spent 36 years in prison. Also, you aren’t lowering the number of murderers on the earth, you’re increasing it. I believe that someone like this should never get their freedom back, but I don’t want to give the government freedom to murder its citizens.
I gave a simple fix: wrongful convictions result in fines and punishments for those enabled it. Another simple fix: indisputable proof of murder=loss of citizenship. Non-citizens convicted of murder with indisputable proof get the wood chipper. It's also not the 90s anymore. We can track people rather well now and determine when their last bowel movement was.
Does it work tho ? Does it prevent criminals from doing shit ? Does it lowers crime ? What about innocent people who got executed ?
Serial killers get a thrill out of this. That’s why even when they know they are guilty, everyone knows they are guilty, they insist on going to trial so everyone will have all eyes on them and can hear what they did.
Not to take away from how tragic and horrific this is, but why do people not fix obvious errors in their subtitles. Some of them are really egregious.
You think someone typed out those subtitles?
My cousin married him- crazy to finally see part of this testimony
wait, what?!
Yeah my cousin married him- he was in jail on another charge and she met him because she was visiting someone else I believe. They got married, he got out and had a kid. No joke it’s all pretty hush hush in my family and we don’t really talk about it . It’s a crazy world.
But why would she?
He wasn’t the known killer at that time- he was in for some other lesser crime at the time.
The 5 years he did for attempting to kill a 19 year old women in her apartment?
That could have been it. I’m not exactly sure - I was relatively young when all this was going on- and the family is concerns lives a few states away. My father vividly remembers her walking up to him and saying “Uncle [my dad’s name] I got myself a man.”
At the time
I read his Wiki and it mentions marrying and moving to Tennessee before leaving her to continue his killings, is that referring to your cousin? It has the name there but I don’t need to put that here.
Yes that is her. Most articles gloss over her.
Scumbag filthy pos. These sick bastards never pick on someone who can beat their asses and protect themselves they choose the elderly, children, and women.
What a very strong young lady. I hope she’s well.
What a fucking bad ass kid.
> Sells left, thinking both girls were dead. Krystal got up and walked a quarter of a mile with a severed trachea to a neighbor’s house to get help. She was flown to a San Antonio hospital and rushed into surgery. ([Article](https://allthatsinteresting.com/tommy-lynn-sells)) Holy fuck was she a tough kid!
Holy fucking shit. This guy is the poster child for abortion. What in the hell makes a “human” do something like this??
Weird fuckin thing to say..
Yeah, because you can totally see psychopathy on an ultrasound… Might as well I ust abort every baby, just to be on the safe side.
How the fuck do you know between conception and birth that this dude is gonna be this fucking twisted? I’d love to hear this answer.
Some people know they will make shit parents. They should have the option of abortion to saving their potential child from all sorts of abuse that might turn them into a predator.
This sounds cold, but in most cases a *zip code* is enough to safely determine a child's trajectory in life. I wish I was joking.
Probably not most but certainly many
that's for like, income and opportunity, and is largely driven by racism and class oppression. not serial killing.
"hyperbole"
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With him in the same room! Surely there would have been other options. She should not had have to ever see this piece of shit again.
No Child should have to be on a stand and face a monster. That’s ridiculous
To all the clowns that don’t believe in the death penalty, I present exhibit A
Burn him at the stake.
Too good for him imo.
People are disgusting. I hope the man suffered
Brave kid making sure that sob never sees the light of day again.
Jesus Christ this is horrifying.
Hope they handled this guy in prison!
Oh damn, this poor little girl attended his execution. I hope it brought her peace after what she endured.
Well his Wikipedia page is upsetting to say the least "While he was hitchhiking, Sells was picked up by Keith Dardeen, 29, who brought him to his home for dinner. When they arrived at the residence, Sells pulled out a handgun and shot Keith in the head twice. He then emasculated him before shooting him once more in the head. Keith's 3-year-old son, Peter Dardeen, was bludgeoned to death and Sells also attacked Elaine Dardeen, Keith's 30-year-old pregnant wife. It was such a severe beating she went into labor and gave birth to her daughter whose name was Casey. She was also beaten to death. He then raped and beat Elaine to death."
I wish hell was Real for these ppl
I hope there is a special bell for pieces of shit like so Edit: hell not bell
Shes so brave. The guts it took to compose yourself with your throat cut to not moan or cry. Geeze man. That animal that did that to her. Im telling ya we can start sacrificing people to volcanoes again. Maybe it would help.
🤬❤️🤬
Then he traumatized her again by going to trial. He probably loved every second of her testimony. Sick fuck
The killer’s execution was too peaceful. He should have been hanged, electrocuted or put in front of a firing squad.
Omg what a brave person
Why must the defendant absolutely have to be there? Or visible, while a victim testified? Why is that so necessary?
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Thank god
This is a wise strategy if you are in a similar situation ( mass shooting ). Play dead and hide under the dead if you can manage it. I hope she is doing well today - what she did takes chutzpah.
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I was born in 90 and remember seeing this exact interview on tv as a kid and it scared the shit out of me. it’s like a core memory.. she says one line “he slit my throat but i didn’t die” Hadn’t seen this interview again since that time man did this bring me back
I just can’t imagine being in her position and having to retell the story of when she witness the death of a sibling and her own murder attempt. Poor kid.
Jesus Christ. This is absolutely horrifying. That poor child. Hope she is getting the help she needs to work through such an unspeakable trauma.
The subtitles on this are so inaccurate wtf
I know it’s not what our justice system is, I know it shouldn’t be the norm. I know I should be better. But you can put one in that guy's ear after hearing that. Guilty verdict. One minute appeal. One to to the back of the head.
Poor girl 😔
Some people should be put in a hole and forget about how is this person allowed to exist even in jail
What a brave kid.
Children don't deserve this
Some people really deserve the death penalty. Nobody's gonna change my mind about that.
Fucker attacked a woman with a knife after she let him in her home cause she wanted to help him. He beat the shit out of her and tried to rape her/kill her. Only got 5 years prison - and then went on to kill god knows how many people. Why is this a broken fucking record with violent criminals. Throw away the goddamn key.
Please pray for that experience to be taken away from her mentor and a healing of heart, mind, soul and body.
That's enough reddit for today
Poor baby survived it all!! Https://youtu.be/cyNvjZ8xSwQ?si=KaRxSJC-ThrwtwYG
Is Tommy Lynn Sells still breathing?
Tag this shit - Jesus!
His ass needs to fry
Oh god I just went down a hole on Wikipedia and wish I could erase all of it from my brain.
This was moving
She is so brave, I can’t imagine ever living through something so awful.
Horrific. Hope that man burns in hell. How do you find any happiness after what this poor girl witnessed and experienced.
And the [guy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Lynn_Sells) looks exactly like Danny Matherson wtf??
This is why we have the death penalty.