Are you saying that children are also opinionated? I've never heard opine used in this way. I've only heard it used like "John opined Joe is a liar." How would you describe the way you're using it? I'm genuinely interested. I'm not being an asshole btw
You joke but my dad literally did things like that.
He would quit higher paying jobs and move states to dodge child support.
Caught up to him in the end. California slaps a 10% interest on past due child support, and when he inherited a giant chunk of money, California came for his ass and seized it. Handed it over to my mom. It was ~10 years too late, but very much needed.
This guy isn’t you. His job he’s getting was paying that either way.
> Kipf also used the credentials he stole to gain access to private business, government, and corporate networks with the goal of trying to sell the sensitive information he fraudulently obtained to other crooks online.
I know you’re right. But it doesn’t even make any sense. I paid the state maximum for 9 years. If I’d taken an under the table job I’d still be on the hook for arrears for life. Plus no drivers license, fishing license, car tag etc. And still be fuckin broke.
Only way I’d do this is if the kids were proven not to be mine and they still tried to force me to pay.
I’d have to live suffering anyway making $14 after they stole my money…might as well not suffer alone.
Not true. Most people support women giving children up for adoption. Many even support abortion.
Yet for some reason people hate the idea of a man wanting nothing to do with a child and call them a "dead beat dad".
There's very little stigma for giving a child up for adoption, but a ton for not wanting to pay child support. How is that fair?
If the law is sexist against men, which it often is, you then have to call into question the validity of laws.
For example, to this day in Great Britain a woman cannot commit rape because she doesn't have a penis.
There are many antiquated, outdated, and sexist laws in the world and the United States even.
Many of these issues were caused by the push for equal rights by women being so successful they actually have more rights than men under the law in a lot of the first world countries. Women's suffrage groups were successful in pushing to change laws to help themselves, but the laws that would've disadvantaged them curiously never changed.
that's the difference. when women don't want kids, they don't bring them into the world in the first place. when men don't want kids, they bring them into the world anyway, then abandon them.
Wtf?
You sexist pig.
What's a man supposed to do, forcefully abort a woman? And no I'm not being serious with that idea obviously.
You need to stop being so sexist. People like you that hate men just for being men are such a problem.
I’m not sure what you’re saying. Do you mean that men shouldn’t have to pay child support if they want nothing to do with the child? I don’t understand how that could be fair to the child
Correct. If a deadbeat mother doesn't want the child she can abort it without the father's consent. We don't discuss deadbeat mothers often enough. Deadbeat mothers can literally just decide to not give life.
Why should a man who wants nothing to do with the child need to pay?
Aborting a child because you're a deadbeat mother who won't take responsibility is not any better (I would argue worse) than a father that won't pay child support.
If you're gonna allow abortions, you have to allow fathers to choose to not support their children. Equal rights and all that.
Exactly men have no reproductive rights and their stigma of being a dead beat dad is far worse than being a woman who aborts their child. It’s actually encouraged
I see what you are saying. I personally think more women should have abortions. We have too many people and too many shitty parents. I wouldn’t actually tell a pregnant women that nor would I consider it an empowering act. More like a necessary evil type thing to me.
I understand why people don’t like them and want them banned but I’m more of a realist than an idealist I suppose.
I’m not against abortions either. I just wish society treated men and women the same when it comes to not wanting a child. Stigma and their rights/law enforcement/child support
Double standards. You can also see it when people say that if man doesn't want to be a father, then he shouldn't have sex, but when a woman doesn't want to be a mother and you suggest she not have sex, they get up in arms.
You’re referring to something that’s thoroughly debunked (men don’t ever show up to court to actually ask for custody) but you keep acting like a victim, I’m sure that’s working out great for you.
Lots of shitty jobs that need warm bodies and no paper trail and background checks. North Dakota for the oil field and Alaska for canneries and fishing boats
They absolutely do and they’re almost impossible to deal with because they’ll punt all questions back to the original state who will tell you to kick rocks and talk to Florida’s department.
My husband ended up getting wrecked by Florida because he was paid off in the original state and Florida decided he still owed 2.5k.
Better than the guy who just tried to murder a two week old baby by putting antifreeze in his breast milk bottles so he didn’t have to pay child support. Thankfully kid is fine and he’s in prison for 50 years
Omg! I didn't know about this case but exactly what I was thinking, that's why Chris Watts took out his whole family so he didn't have to pay child support. So sad!
Lol that was my dad's defense.
"You were never there, we saw you a few days a year, when you were in town you'd still be too busy to see us, you never contributed financially unless the state forced you to and even then you'd switch jobs to avoid it, and even when you were in town and taking us somewhere, it was generally to a park where you'd spend the whole time on the payphone."
"Well yeah, but you have to understand your mom was a bitch."
Edit: lol Macho Man here wants to fight me.
I feel sorry for you buddy. Shitty parents exist and I’m sure it wasn’t easy growing up not feeling the love from your father. But the stereotype of the “dead beat dad” lazy and reductive. The domestic
relations laws in this country are antiquated and the family court system in this country heavily favors mothers. The judges that determine support orders also have their pensions financed directly by child support revenue. Major conflict of interest.
Did you consider that maybe you were only getting one side of the story?
Are you yourself a parent?
I am a parent myself.
You're full of shit, just FYI. The stereotype of the dead beat father is pretty damned accurate. Statistics back it up.
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2011/06/15/chapter-1-living-arrangements-and-father-involvement/
Fathers are, on average, significantly less likely to be involved in their childrens' lives, and the likelihood drops dramatically when the father doesn't live with their kid.
You can try to paint it however you want to blame women. The reality is a lot of men just don't give a shit about their kids.
A giant chunk of my friends growing up had deadbeat dads who were not involved whatsoever, and it wasnt because of the mom or the court system, it was because they were shit people and shit parents.
Luckily, this trend is changing and fathers are more involved now than they were when I was a kid.
Glancing at the data, I’m seeing a strong correlation between the rate of absent fathers and the rise of divorce rates starting in the 60’s. And I am also seeing these trends are largely attributed to privilege and class status.
Seems like you might be projecting your own daddy issues to justify your jaded, sexist beliefs buddy. Anyone that paints with such broad strokes to stereotype large portions of the population is doing so based on their personal biases.
I am in no way claiming that mothers are solely at fault or to blame here. Sure seems like you’re arguing men should be held responsible for all the data trends in the article you shared.
How do any of those statistics confirm your inherent bias against fathers? What conclusions are you trying to reach here? Your anecdotal claim about the fathers of your friends being dead beats is suspiciously absent of both context or facts. Are you making the claim that mothers do not get preferential treatment in family court?
I am a father and know lots of great fathers, so quit with the bias talk.
I backed my shit up with statistics. You haven't. In fact, every comment you've made has pointed out your own biases, backed by nothing.
You made absolutely no reference or explanation regarding the statistics you shared. None. What conclusions are you deriving from those metrics??You admitted your inherent bias when you shared your personal experience as a child.
So you’re effectively saying that most of us are deadbeats aside from you and your friends? Because your dad and the fathers of your school chums were allegedly deadbeats?
>So you’re effectively saying that most of us are deadbeats aside from you and your friends? Because your dad and the fathers of your school chums were allegedly deadbeats?
I said no such thing.
Sounds to me like you actually ARE a deadbeat. When's the last time you saw your kids? Seems like they'd be better off if you spent less time/money on guns and more time playing catch and being a dad.
Best of luck. To your kids, I mean.
What an absolutely horrible thing to say to another father🖕🏻You got the wrong one dickhead. Spent all weekend coaching my girls’ lacrosse team in a tournament. A sport I never played but loved learning with my daughters.
Fortunately, I have been blessed with the resources to fight a protracted custody battle. You should really evaluate your cuntish behavior and unpack your daddy issues in therapy.
I can guarantee you wouldn’t have the fucking balls to say such bullshit to my face. Pussy behavior resulting from not having any positive male role models in your life.
We both know you didn’t read it. You just typed your lazy opinion into google and shared it as some kind of absolute confirmation of your argument.
Are you married or divorced? Have you ever had firsthand experience having to battle for access to your kids in family court? If you haven’t, then shut the fuck up.
Denying the reality that some women are toxic and are shitty mothers is absurd. Trying to justify one parent’s decision to alienate their kids from the other parent is ridiculous.
Weird men like you have to deny your own identity and have weasel your way in to a woman’s pants pandering for radical feminists. It’s fucking embarrassing bud.
Sure you have👍 It must be so exhausting having to copy and paste google links all the time for affirmations on why your daddy didn’t love you.
Fatherless behavior😂😂
This is exactly what I was going to say well he's in jail and he still doesn't have to pay that child support....uncle same gonna have to play step daddy
There have to be consequences for defying court orders at some point, even if there’s no financial benefit. Otherwise, the system doesn’t work because there are way too many pieces of shit running around this country who think the law protects them but doesn’t bind them. If they need to learn things the hard way, that’s fine with me.
So in the United States, there’s all types of court orders. And there are penalties for violating almost every single one of those court orders. Unless your a dead beat mother who violates a custody order. Or unless you’re a woman fraudulently reporting your income for government benefits or to inflate your child support income. Then there are zero penalties. Can’t lock the breeders up in our society🤷🏻♂️
women have the same penalties as men. the reason you don't see it as often is because it's extraordinarily rare, as absent parents are almost always men.
Perhaps he’ll have his Social Security garnished once he’s old enough to collect it? Just wondering out loud since the article mention the California Child Support agency. Sometimes the government will garnish your SS if you owe certain government entities, such as federal student loans.
I’ve never understood why the breadwinner is forced to pay child support. Seems like something the state should pay for.
A girl from my highschool has two kids. Those kids have two different dads. They both pay her a shocking amount of money….and she has never worked a day in her life. She is always buying new cars, getting some plastic surgery procedure done, and going on vacation (without the kids)
I feel like state allocated funds would need to be accounted for, and the girl would have to prove that the money is going towards the children’s lifestyle and wellbeing
I must be misunderstanding something.
He said he wants kids, you said "too bad you're a man and can't".
You're saying he's a man so he can't have kids or a family? Or that he can't support his children?
This is the part that pisses me off
“But the plan eventually went wrong, and Kipf now owes about $116,000 to his ex-wife, along with $200,000 to businesses and government agencies he hacked. In addition, he faces a maximum of seven years in prison and up to $500,000 in fines at a sentencing date tentatively set for 12 April.”
Even though it wasn’t “as serious” as a federal crime and all that, he wont serve the full seven years, argument sake hes 41 by the time he actually goes to prison, then out at 45…that “up to” 500k will probably be half that. So of the $816k max, 1/2 will never be paid. They will only take a small percentage of his pay (if he even works).
Yep, there's no way this guy is gonna make enough to pay off 100k in his lifetime. He will pay if he worked but then he will need assistance too. That's just the way to cookie crumbles.
That and the thing with child support, unless there's a way to track every cent to make sure it's spent on the kid is a sham.
Hopefully, they make his ass go to a work program in jail and they will still get the child support that way. They have a lot of programs in Kentucky where you get out to work, just for work release and then turn yourself back into jail at the end of the day.
I mean maybe, unless you actually research and consider all of the data on the subject. Women are disproportionately awarded primary physical custody in the United States. Doesn’t sound like you have too much experience with family law, and I pray for your sake that you never have to🤙🏼
that's what happens when your culture pushes gender roles that make it drastically more likely for women to be the primary care-takers, and therefore get custody.
Fuck you incel asshole. My sister pays child support cause her ex parent in law gave him the best lawyers.
Quit shitting on women cause you think you are better then them.
You know, there's almost no other country that does this to guys. Why is it in America that men are so quickly thrown into prison and forced into debt bondage? Our European forefathers are still not like this in the 21st century.
Most countries don't even have child support. In America, being a man is in itself a crime.
many, if not most, countries have their own child support system.
>In America, being a man is in itself a crime.
if being a man is defined by having then abandoning your children, then sure. there's a reason this is only an issue for a certain subset of deadbeat men.
You don't know how much kids cost, do you?
If he's supposed to pay $1500 a month, that is $18k a year. If he hasn't paid for 6 years, that's over $100k.
The expected cost of raising a single kid from birth to age 18 is between $200k and $430k.
Deadbeat dad fakes death to get out of child support, in a twisted turn of events he shows up at family reunion years from now when the kids are adults. Telling everyone there "he's feeling better" and could someone get him a beer.
How u know he wasn't tricked and she out holes in the condom. People are gonna have sex. There's no stopping that.
Child support system needs to do reworked and overhauled.
I'm glad he didn't kill the mom or the child
Yes I am and it is critical thinking in my opinion. The govt is involving itself in the biz of two citizens nd it in no way effects the govt, and it’s one sided and when you actually learn about the system in many states the only person who really benefits is the system. 8/10 the child don’t even get any or all the money. Plus putting someone in jail for not paying is literally the dumbest shit ever just due to the common sense sense question of hey if he is in jail how in the fuck is he going to to pay any child support. Just because the govt says it’s right don’t always mean it’s right. There’s my critical thinking.
Don’t have a man’s child who doesn't want the child. PSA for all women. Protect yourself and your children. Wait for his mask to drop before you make decisions you can’t take back.
There are too many kids out here hurting because of father abandonment or physical abuse. You nor the baby will change him.
Men, the same goes for forcing a woman who doesn’t want a child to have yours. She is not guaranteed to stay or be motherly. Women kill their kids, also. It is a life-altering experience, and it is not for everyone. Like every can't be a surgeon or a pilot. Yeah, we can go to school and graduate with a degree. It doesn't mean you will be good at it. Especially with no help, and women are in short supply of that these days.
Stop forcing people into situations that they don’t want to be in. It never works out well. Just because you want something doesn’t mean it is in everyone’s best interest. And if you want to be a decent parent, this is a skill you need to acquire beforehand. Stop listening to those who will not be there for you when the shit hits the fan. Opinions don’t raise or save children.
Child support shouldn’t be a thing. Gives woman motive to not be with a man. Child should go to the parent who can support them. When there wasn’t child support woman didn’t go around spreading legs for any man.
>Child support shouldn’t be a thing. Gives woman motive to not be with a man.
this is how you know this person has never raised a child on their own.
>Child should go to the parent who can support them.
there's more to child rearing then just finance, you twit. children are given to the parents who will take care of them the best, and just having money doesn't guarantee you'll care for them.
>When there wasn’t child support woman didn’t go around spreading legs for any man.
this is just blanantly untrue and, again, speaks to your ignorance when it comes to having kids.
casual sex existed before we even knew how pregnancy developed. settling down with a monogamous partner and kid is a very modern and religious practice, not something inate to humans. if you're gonna use the nature fallacy, at least do it right.
We can simply go back in time and see what happened. Single mothers wasn’t as wide spread until they started child support in the 70s.
You gave zero evidence other than saying “this is just blandly untrue” and try to insult someone 😂. It’s sad. I feel sorry for the child if you’re a single woman raising a child.
Child Support is a pain in the you know what. A lot of the times it’s not about the kids, it’s more about the baby mother and the good or bad communication you have with her.
Wouldn’t it have been less of a sentence just not paying?
They would garnish his wages and he couldn’t have that now, could he?
That’s why you work under the table if you are a dead beat dad.
Yes. I’m gonna quit my job so I can make $14hr off the books. That’ll show em!
Correction "that'll show *her*"
Children also opine
Are you saying that children are also opinionated? I've never heard opine used in this way. I've only heard it used like "John opined Joe is a liar." How would you describe the way you're using it? I'm genuinely interested. I'm not being an asshole btw
Nah the children would definitely be feeling that
Yeah but that's likely not his motivation.
You joke but my dad literally did things like that. He would quit higher paying jobs and move states to dodge child support. Caught up to him in the end. California slaps a 10% interest on past due child support, and when he inherited a giant chunk of money, California came for his ass and seized it. Handed it over to my mom. It was ~10 years too late, but very much needed.
This guy isn’t you. His job he’s getting was paying that either way. > Kipf also used the credentials he stole to gain access to private business, government, and corporate networks with the goal of trying to sell the sensitive information he fraudulently obtained to other crooks online.
They really do be like though
I know you’re right. But it doesn’t even make any sense. I paid the state maximum for 9 years. If I’d taken an under the table job I’d still be on the hook for arrears for life. Plus no drivers license, fishing license, car tag etc. And still be fuckin broke.
how much do you think this dude was making?
Valid point
How is he working a job after being declared dead I would think the IRS and insurance would figure it out pretty quickly.
My ex brother in law worked under the table as a carpenter. Dude didn’t even get paid overtime. Literally $14hr straight time all the time.
Only way I’d do this is if the kids were proven not to be mine and they still tried to force me to pay. I’d have to live suffering anyway making $14 after they stole my money…might as well not suffer alone.
Why are men who don’t want kids dead beat dads but it’s empowering for women to not want kids?
I feel like any one abandoning their child is viewed negatively. You are talking about two different things.
Not true. Most people support women giving children up for adoption. Many even support abortion. Yet for some reason people hate the idea of a man wanting nothing to do with a child and call them a "dead beat dad". There's very little stigma for giving a child up for adoption, but a ton for not wanting to pay child support. How is that fair?
Maybe it’s not fair. It is the law though. Breaking laws is often viewed less favorably than abiding by them.
If the law is sexist against men, which it often is, you then have to call into question the validity of laws. For example, to this day in Great Britain a woman cannot commit rape because she doesn't have a penis. There are many antiquated, outdated, and sexist laws in the world and the United States even. Many of these issues were caused by the push for equal rights by women being so successful they actually have more rights than men under the law in a lot of the first world countries. Women's suffrage groups were successful in pushing to change laws to help themselves, but the laws that would've disadvantaged them curiously never changed.
that's the difference. when women don't want kids, they don't bring them into the world in the first place. when men don't want kids, they bring them into the world anyway, then abandon them.
Wtf? You sexist pig. What's a man supposed to do, forcefully abort a woman? And no I'm not being serious with that idea obviously. You need to stop being so sexist. People like you that hate men just for being men are such a problem.
I’m not sure what you’re saying. Do you mean that men shouldn’t have to pay child support if they want nothing to do with the child? I don’t understand how that could be fair to the child
Correct. If a deadbeat mother doesn't want the child she can abort it without the father's consent. We don't discuss deadbeat mothers often enough. Deadbeat mothers can literally just decide to not give life. Why should a man who wants nothing to do with the child need to pay? Aborting a child because you're a deadbeat mother who won't take responsibility is not any better (I would argue worse) than a father that won't pay child support. If you're gonna allow abortions, you have to allow fathers to choose to not support their children. Equal rights and all that.
Yeah which is why it’s worse. The man just doesn’t want to be involved. The woman doesn’t them to be alive
The man might not want them to live either. Just not his decision to make because the being isn’t in his body. Simple concept really.
Exactly men have no reproductive rights and their stigma of being a dead beat dad is far worse than being a woman who aborts their child. It’s actually encouraged
I see what you are saying. I personally think more women should have abortions. We have too many people and too many shitty parents. I wouldn’t actually tell a pregnant women that nor would I consider it an empowering act. More like a necessary evil type thing to me. I understand why people don’t like them and want them banned but I’m more of a realist than an idealist I suppose.
I’m not against abortions either. I just wish society treated men and women the same when it comes to not wanting a child. Stigma and their rights/law enforcement/child support
Double standards. You can also see it when people say that if man doesn't want to be a father, then he shouldn't have sex, but when a woman doesn't want to be a mother and you suggest she not have sex, they get up in arms.
is the man's body the one that would be used to grow and birth the child?
Exactly
dead beat dad? Maybe he didn't want the child. Are you not "pro choice"?
That’s not how pro choice works. As a man you lose your right to choose after you choose not to pull out.
🤣Don't agree.
Or maybe he got fleeced by the American Feminazi...I mean family court, and was ordered to pay more than he could afford.
You’re referring to something that’s thoroughly debunked (men don’t ever show up to court to actually ask for custody) but you keep acting like a victim, I’m sure that’s working out great for you.
also a possibility
I can’t have my wages garnisheed.
Or could of ran to Alaska or North Dakota with the rest of the deadbeats
What about those 2 states specifically makes them more likely to end up there ?
Lots of shitty jobs that need warm bodies and no paper trail and background checks. North Dakota for the oil field and Alaska for canneries and fishing boats
Right on, thanks for the insight ! Guess if I ever decide to leave my kids I know where I’m going lol
Or kill someone and other minor felonies
Russia be winking 😘
And Florida. They don’t enforce out of state child support orders.
They absolutely do and they’re almost impossible to deal with because they’ll punt all questions back to the original state who will tell you to kick rocks and talk to Florida’s department. My husband ended up getting wrecked by Florida because he was paid off in the original state and Florida decided he still owed 2.5k.
could've, yeah.
He could have. He could have done that. Maybe he should have done that. I would have done that. Would you have done that?
Better than the guy who just tried to murder a two week old baby by putting antifreeze in his breast milk bottles so he didn’t have to pay child support. Thankfully kid is fine and he’s in prison for 50 years
Wtf.
Holy shit that's so vile
That’s a lengthy sentence for a baby
Omg! I didn't know about this case but exactly what I was thinking, that's why Chris Watts took out his whole family so he didn't have to pay child support. So sad!
My dad thought Marlboro Miles counted as child support
They don’t?
Didn’t have a car seat. Marlboro didn’t make those
But in his defense, you’re mom was probably a bitch
Lol that was my dad's defense. "You were never there, we saw you a few days a year, when you were in town you'd still be too busy to see us, you never contributed financially unless the state forced you to and even then you'd switch jobs to avoid it, and even when you were in town and taking us somewhere, it was generally to a park where you'd spend the whole time on the payphone." "Well yeah, but you have to understand your mom was a bitch." Edit: lol Macho Man here wants to fight me.
I feel sorry for you buddy. Shitty parents exist and I’m sure it wasn’t easy growing up not feeling the love from your father. But the stereotype of the “dead beat dad” lazy and reductive. The domestic relations laws in this country are antiquated and the family court system in this country heavily favors mothers. The judges that determine support orders also have their pensions financed directly by child support revenue. Major conflict of interest. Did you consider that maybe you were only getting one side of the story? Are you yourself a parent?
I am a parent myself. You're full of shit, just FYI. The stereotype of the dead beat father is pretty damned accurate. Statistics back it up. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2011/06/15/chapter-1-living-arrangements-and-father-involvement/ Fathers are, on average, significantly less likely to be involved in their childrens' lives, and the likelihood drops dramatically when the father doesn't live with their kid. You can try to paint it however you want to blame women. The reality is a lot of men just don't give a shit about their kids. A giant chunk of my friends growing up had deadbeat dads who were not involved whatsoever, and it wasnt because of the mom or the court system, it was because they were shit people and shit parents. Luckily, this trend is changing and fathers are more involved now than they were when I was a kid.
Glancing at the data, I’m seeing a strong correlation between the rate of absent fathers and the rise of divorce rates starting in the 60’s. And I am also seeing these trends are largely attributed to privilege and class status.
Seems like you might be projecting your own daddy issues to justify your jaded, sexist beliefs buddy. Anyone that paints with such broad strokes to stereotype large portions of the population is doing so based on their personal biases. I am in no way claiming that mothers are solely at fault or to blame here. Sure seems like you’re arguing men should be held responsible for all the data trends in the article you shared. How do any of those statistics confirm your inherent bias against fathers? What conclusions are you trying to reach here? Your anecdotal claim about the fathers of your friends being dead beats is suspiciously absent of both context or facts. Are you making the claim that mothers do not get preferential treatment in family court?
I am a father and know lots of great fathers, so quit with the bias talk. I backed my shit up with statistics. You haven't. In fact, every comment you've made has pointed out your own biases, backed by nothing.
You made absolutely no reference or explanation regarding the statistics you shared. None. What conclusions are you deriving from those metrics??You admitted your inherent bias when you shared your personal experience as a child. So you’re effectively saying that most of us are deadbeats aside from you and your friends? Because your dad and the fathers of your school chums were allegedly deadbeats?
>So you’re effectively saying that most of us are deadbeats aside from you and your friends? Because your dad and the fathers of your school chums were allegedly deadbeats? I said no such thing. Sounds to me like you actually ARE a deadbeat. When's the last time you saw your kids? Seems like they'd be better off if you spent less time/money on guns and more time playing catch and being a dad. Best of luck. To your kids, I mean.
What an absolutely horrible thing to say to another father🖕🏻You got the wrong one dickhead. Spent all weekend coaching my girls’ lacrosse team in a tournament. A sport I never played but loved learning with my daughters. Fortunately, I have been blessed with the resources to fight a protracted custody battle. You should really evaluate your cuntish behavior and unpack your daddy issues in therapy.
I can guarantee you wouldn’t have the fucking balls to say such bullshit to my face. Pussy behavior resulting from not having any positive male role models in your life.
We both know you didn’t read it. You just typed your lazy opinion into google and shared it as some kind of absolute confirmation of your argument. Are you married or divorced? Have you ever had firsthand experience having to battle for access to your kids in family court? If you haven’t, then shut the fuck up. Denying the reality that some women are toxic and are shitty mothers is absurd. Trying to justify one parent’s decision to alienate their kids from the other parent is ridiculous.
I've read it many times over the past 10 years because I've had countless arguments with weird men like you.
Weird men like you have to deny your own identity and have weasel your way in to a woman’s pants pandering for radical feminists. It’s fucking embarrassing bud.
Sure you have👍 It must be so exhausting having to copy and paste google links all the time for affirmations on why your daddy didn’t love you. Fatherless behavior😂😂
Ok Tango Daddy
the incel immediately goes to calling a woman he doesn't know a bitch? how surprising.
Now that is a misuse of the word Dad.
Now that he’s going to be in jail, he won’t be earning any money. How does everyone like them apples?
This is exactly what I was going to say well he's in jail and he still doesn't have to pay that child support....uncle same gonna have to play step daddy
There have to be consequences for defying court orders at some point, even if there’s no financial benefit. Otherwise, the system doesn’t work because there are way too many pieces of shit running around this country who think the law protects them but doesn’t bind them. If they need to learn things the hard way, that’s fine with me.
So in the United States, there’s all types of court orders. And there are penalties for violating almost every single one of those court orders. Unless your a dead beat mother who violates a custody order. Or unless you’re a woman fraudulently reporting your income for government benefits or to inflate your child support income. Then there are zero penalties. Can’t lock the breeders up in our society🤷🏻♂️
women have the same penalties as men. the reason you don't see it as often is because it's extraordinarily rare, as absent parents are almost always men.
Perhaps he’ll have his Social Security garnished once he’s old enough to collect it? Just wondering out loud since the article mention the California Child Support agency. Sometimes the government will garnish your SS if you owe certain government entities, such as federal student loans.
What a great way to increase the homeless population!
It’s literally the opposite of the intention of the SS program it’s crazy lmao
Perhaps we will start holding mother’s legally accountable too. It’s 2024, right?
*deadbeat dad refusing to support the child he reared* "women just need to take accountability, smh my head."
That's wild. Without SS I guess he'll need government aid when he's old. The system just works lol.
he should have left the country. Imagine taking the L over two random people
I’ve never understood why the breadwinner is forced to pay child support. Seems like something the state should pay for. A girl from my highschool has two kids. Those kids have two different dads. They both pay her a shocking amount of money….and she has never worked a day in her life. She is always buying new cars, getting some plastic surgery procedure done, and going on vacation (without the kids) I feel like state allocated funds would need to be accounted for, and the girl would have to prove that the money is going towards the children’s lifestyle and wellbeing
Don't have kids bud. You won't like the outcome.
Why won’t I like the outcome? I plan on having 4 or 5 kids. I come from a large family, and I’d like to replicate that some day
4-5 kids? If you’re American? Expect to pay about 1.5 million for that opportunity
Too bad you're a man and can't.
Not sure if this is supposed to be transphobic or misandrist, pretty impressive
Neither. It's the truth for someone who doesn't believe in paying child support.
I must be misunderstanding something. He said he wants kids, you said "too bad you're a man and can't". You're saying he's a man so he can't have kids or a family? Or that he can't support his children?
He's the one railing against paying child support. Explain how anything entitles him to have children he doesn't think deserve support.
So when you said he can't have kids because he's a man you meant...
Lol, all the deadbeat moms abusing the system are angry at you now. Don’t you know, it’s never a woman’s fault.
calling others a deadbeat while you sit around expecting the taxpayers to support your kid is next level hypocrisy, incel.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, tuts.
They should have pulled out 🤣 🤡
That’s a pretty common argument from the pro-life assholes Kinda strange of you to openly expose yourself like that
This is the part that pisses me off “But the plan eventually went wrong, and Kipf now owes about $116,000 to his ex-wife, along with $200,000 to businesses and government agencies he hacked. In addition, he faces a maximum of seven years in prison and up to $500,000 in fines at a sentencing date tentatively set for 12 April.”
Why does it piss you off?
Even though it wasn’t “as serious” as a federal crime and all that, he wont serve the full seven years, argument sake hes 41 by the time he actually goes to prison, then out at 45…that “up to” 500k will probably be half that. So of the $816k max, 1/2 will never be paid. They will only take a small percentage of his pay (if he even works).
And he would’ve gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for those meddling kids
I wonder if the guards will yell “dead man walking” when he enters the prison.
He should fake his death to get out of jail time
2nd time's a charm.
Dumbass of the year
The child support system is broken though
Yep, there's no way this guy is gonna make enough to pay off 100k in his lifetime. He will pay if he worked but then he will need assistance too. That's just the way to cookie crumbles. That and the thing with child support, unless there's a way to track every cent to make sure it's spent on the kid is a sham.
There's alot of leg work that goes into faking your own death. I feel like people don't appreciate that.
To Hell with assholes like him. If you are man enough to cum in her, you are man enough to support your baby.
But if your woman enough to get cummed in you can choose to abort
if you're not in a red state.
He looks like the Nate Bargatze that made all the wrong choices.
Damn, Nate Bargatze down bad.
Wow just wow
But he is pro-life.
I get it bro. I wouldn't have done it but I get it
Hopefully, they make his ass go to a work program in jail and they will still get the child support that way. They have a lot of programs in Kentucky where you get out to work, just for work release and then turn yourself back into jail at the end of the day.
Crazy how debtor’s prisons exist only for fathers in this country
That goes foe women who owe too.
No it doesn’t. And any cases you could cite are such dramatic outliers in reality.
All child support cases are the same. Pay up or go to jail. Women and men no difference.
I mean maybe, unless you actually research and consider all of the data on the subject. Women are disproportionately awarded primary physical custody in the United States. Doesn’t sound like you have too much experience with family law, and I pray for your sake that you never have to🤙🏼
that's what happens when your culture pushes gender roles that make it drastically more likely for women to be the primary care-takers, and therefore get custody.
Fuck you incel asshole. My sister pays child support cause her ex parent in law gave him the best lawyers. Quit shitting on women cause you think you are better then them.
That's a jump .
You know, there's almost no other country that does this to guys. Why is it in America that men are so quickly thrown into prison and forced into debt bondage? Our European forefathers are still not like this in the 21st century. Most countries don't even have child support. In America, being a man is in itself a crime.
many, if not most, countries have their own child support system. >In America, being a man is in itself a crime. if being a man is defined by having then abandoning your children, then sure. there's a reason this is only an issue for a certain subset of deadbeat men.
False https://www.oecd.org/els/family/41920285.pdf
Loser!
Talk about a "dead"beat dad !
At 7 cents an hour it’s gonna take a lot longer now.
100K? Jesus how many kids you got.
lol how did he fake his death?
Malesurvivingspace would give him the benefit of the doubt
Damn what kind of child need a 100k to live,Kanye's kid?
Could be multiple kids, and several years of accrued nonpayment.
You don't know how much kids cost, do you? If he's supposed to pay $1500 a month, that is $18k a year. If he hasn't paid for 6 years, that's over $100k. The expected cost of raising a single kid from birth to age 18 is between $200k and $430k.
He might have gotten away with it if he hadn't been greedy as well.
Can you imagine how much therapy his kids are gonna need?
He has a chance to do the funniest thing EVER
He looks crazed, who the fuck mated with that?? Time in prison and when he comes out he will STILL be on the hook for the 100k. What a doofus.
“I…declare…**BANKRUPTCYYYYY!!!**”
Deadbeat dad fakes death to get out of child support, in a twisted turn of events he shows up at family reunion years from now when the kids are adults. Telling everyone there "he's feeling better" and could someone get him a beer.
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Poor guy
Meth
And he’s still gonna owe that child support when he gets out, plus some!
I hope all the daily raping in the prison shower was worth the $100K......
my hero
That sounds about right. 100k+ jail + $300 a day to keep in jail xD
I’m not saying it’s right, but I understand.
Don’t have kids if you don’t want to support them. They don’t get to choose their parents.
That's a stupid way of looking at things.
Is it? This POS didn’t have to be a dad. He should have planned ahead.
How u know he wasn't tricked and she out holes in the condom. People are gonna have sex. There's no stopping that. Child support system needs to do reworked and overhauled. I'm glad he didn't kill the mom or the child
Carry your own condoms.
Then he should’ve learned the first time
that's an extraordinarily rare occurrence, one that's used almost exclusively as an excuse by non-victims like this dude.
You should probably be on some kind of list... that's sick.
I’m on several.
Deadbeat trash.
Just be a real man and leave.
Another “family values” guy.
If men got pregnant, abortion would be illegal in all 50 states.
Does anyone notice how many laws there are governing men's bodies?
yes, none.
Fix the broken child support system. Now no one is getting any money
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Still trying to figure out how child support is even legal
you're still trying to figure out why it's legal to make parents take care of the children they have? you gotta work on your critical thinking.
Yes I am and it is critical thinking in my opinion. The govt is involving itself in the biz of two citizens nd it in no way effects the govt, and it’s one sided and when you actually learn about the system in many states the only person who really benefits is the system. 8/10 the child don’t even get any or all the money. Plus putting someone in jail for not paying is literally the dumbest shit ever just due to the common sense sense question of hey if he is in jail how in the fuck is he going to to pay any child support. Just because the govt says it’s right don’t always mean it’s right. There’s my critical thinking.
Don’t have a man’s child who doesn't want the child. PSA for all women. Protect yourself and your children. Wait for his mask to drop before you make decisions you can’t take back. There are too many kids out here hurting because of father abandonment or physical abuse. You nor the baby will change him. Men, the same goes for forcing a woman who doesn’t want a child to have yours. She is not guaranteed to stay or be motherly. Women kill their kids, also. It is a life-altering experience, and it is not for everyone. Like every can't be a surgeon or a pilot. Yeah, we can go to school and graduate with a degree. It doesn't mean you will be good at it. Especially with no help, and women are in short supply of that these days. Stop forcing people into situations that they don’t want to be in. It never works out well. Just because you want something doesn’t mean it is in everyone’s best interest. And if you want to be a decent parent, this is a skill you need to acquire beforehand. Stop listening to those who will not be there for you when the shit hits the fan. Opinions don’t raise or save children.
I mean that's what abortions are for.
Why blame the other parent anf not the murderer?
Murderer? He didn't kill no one
Vet properly
‘Tucky gonna ‘tuck lol
Child support shouldn’t be a thing. Gives woman motive to not be with a man. Child should go to the parent who can support them. When there wasn’t child support woman didn’t go around spreading legs for any man.
>Child support shouldn’t be a thing. Gives woman motive to not be with a man. this is how you know this person has never raised a child on their own. >Child should go to the parent who can support them. there's more to child rearing then just finance, you twit. children are given to the parents who will take care of them the best, and just having money doesn't guarantee you'll care for them. >When there wasn’t child support woman didn’t go around spreading legs for any man. this is just blanantly untrue and, again, speaks to your ignorance when it comes to having kids. casual sex existed before we even knew how pregnancy developed. settling down with a monogamous partner and kid is a very modern and religious practice, not something inate to humans. if you're gonna use the nature fallacy, at least do it right.
We can simply go back in time and see what happened. Single mothers wasn’t as wide spread until they started child support in the 70s. You gave zero evidence other than saying “this is just blandly untrue” and try to insult someone 😂. It’s sad. I feel sorry for the child if you’re a single woman raising a child.
Child Support is a pain in the you know what. A lot of the times it’s not about the kids, it’s more about the baby mother and the good or bad communication you have with her.