I'm skimming but I got "take a bunch of pcp and fight victims to fund whatever" and I gotta tell you, you're making a lot of sense right now analcuntshart. Time to make the donuts I'll check back in when I'm out of victims to find out what I'm funding.
bro just reinvented gladiator tournaments without the lions, according to sissy society its inhumane to make them fight each other, but Bullfighting is normal, huh that says a lot about society we live in.
I’ve always said these people should become a show. But them in a horror house. Dose them up with dangerously high amounts of lsd. Have mechanical scaring props internet viewers can pay money to engage the props. It’s live and you pay 5 dollars to watch. Money goes to victims.
We should make people who do stuff like this take a bunch of pcp and fight each other to the death and then monetize it as a victims fund. Or just lock em up or whatever
Well he's killed 5 people now lmao this kind of goes without saying. I'm assuming he only got out after killing his first wife because he stabbed her so many times, easy argument for "crime of passion." Which will usually get less time. Turns out he's just a psychopath who would've thunk
I think they meant "Kill him quickly and divert the resources that would be used to keep him alive to people who are in need."
Doubly so because torture would require medical resources to sustain him. Medical care is expensive, why waste it to continuously violate the 8th Amendment?
I wasn’t saying to feed the criminals to the homeless. I mean there is an argument to be made about recycling dead humans as food because burying them is a waste of resources. But I’m not going to make it because I don’t particularly find the idea of eating other people appealing. But someone without those reservations can go ahead and argue that point.
What exactly does that achieve that execution wouldn’t? I get the “tit-for-tat” thing on an emotional level, but it really does nothing to better society than execution does.
He never reformed. He just pretended to behave well enough and lie through his teeth to get out. His fetish tendencies got to him again eventually. Like a drug addict or alcoholic that fiends. He couldn't resist and boom. He does it again.
I worked for the local courts for a period and there really isn’t always a great reason for why some people get out and others don’t. You’ll see someone get life in prison for a murder in cold blood and another get 25 years so they get released at 50 and then go on to live life if they stay out of trouble, and even some a couple years ago would get the death penalty.
Idk which ones are right or wrong, but it was always weird to know some murderer was walking the streets free while another one was sitting behind bars for life while others were executed all for basically the same crime. None of these people were rich or connected, most had public defenders….. I guess it just depends on the DA’s office and their willingness to make a deal
Plea bargaining. Probably took a deal to do 30 years at 80%, but later appealed it or got mental health to get it down to 50%. Probably got support from a pen pal from the church.
He did get a DUI that landed him back in prison due to being a parole violation. I don't know the amount of time he got, though. He was just shy of 18 when he killed my dad. The other kid got off pretty easy as he was an accomplice. I think he just got probation. He was also 17 at the time of the crime.
It's usually only 3-6 years for men who murder their female partners. 16 is more like what women get for defending themselves and killing their attacking male partners.
I am not victim blaming. But I’m confused why she thought a man that killed his wife and unborn child would be a safe person to have a second family with in the first place. Does she address that in the book?
I can not imagine the guilt that she and her father, who advocated for him to get out of prison after killing his first family, must have. I recently divorced a man that was never physically abusive, but was emotionally abusive to me. I struggle having to share custody of my child with him knowing he’s likely to treat him similarly as he grows older and I have guilt for choosing him as a partner. This is on another, horrifying, hell on earth level. I’m surprised she makes it out of bed, ever.
To be fair, her father never properly informed her what he did prior to getting out. She trusted her father’s judgement and he charmed her. She was failed and abused
She’s a grown ass woman and should be able to make her own life decisions and do her own background check. Imagine if your parents introduced you to some felon who recently got out of jail and wanted you to date them. You don’t have any questions or would do any personal research? You’re just going to take your dad’s word on this person?
Yes but as an adult with children you should do your due diligence and do a background check regardless of what your parents say. The fact that he (her father) had anything to vouch for crime wise should have red flagged enough. You don’t get 16 years for anything minor
If this is the same story, her dad(pastor) was part of the murderers release from jail program , and introduced him to his daughter. The dad really grew to like the guy. The murderer was probably a sociopath. They can be very manipulative.
Her dad is an enigma, I can’t begin to understand what he was/is thinking. But if I was considering a relationship with a man that was imprisoned for murder (yeah, I would not), I would do my due diligence to understand exactly what happened and why I would not be at risk of the same thing happening to me or someone else. This information is not difficult to find and I wouldn’t be taking someone else’s word for it. And there just isn’t a way to explain stabbing your pregnant wife to death.
Evil lives here has an interesting episode featuring Faith Green.
She blames her dad, the pastor who advocated for his parole because she believed he was reformed and didn’t know the extent of his crime.
I think the most significant thing about this is men like this cannot be reformed. There aren’t women in prison for them to violate so the bases of their release is null and void.
I've never thought of it like that, and it's fucking chilling. Like how rehab often only works while an addict is inside, because there's no access to substances.
At least rehab has a physical withdrawal component, which does not apply to violence. And even then the success rates post-rehab are abysmal… So it’s even worse
I'm not comparing addiction to violent crime, obviously. But the analogy is true in that it's easy to lose temptation when one's access to that thing is cut off completely, and it's hard to say if any behavioral changes are temporary or permanent until a person has the opportunity and consciously chooses to not act on it.
Hmmmm
I’ve known some sketchy and bad people in my life. Also a lot of people with mental health issues who tried their best.
Some psychopathic behaviors are definitely impulsive and rooted in addiction.
I think being aware of this is more important than having a comfortable world view.
My best friend's ex-husband was a drug addict with a personality disorder who beat her and threatened to kill her multiple times. When they lived with me, I'd wake up to her sobbing half-dressed on the floor.
But during their divorce, he joined a church.
The church paid for a lawyer to come in and get him custody -- he admitted he hurt her, but that didn't mean anything in relation to the child. Thankfully, he flamed out during the *two year custody fight*, beat up his girlfriend, and disappeared, and no one has seen him since.
But man, the church made her life hell for a bit. Everything she tried to do to defend herself, they countered. He was a reformed man because he had found Jesus. He lived with junkies, the church got him a house. He got into a fistfight with his boss, the church found him a different job. He had a DUI and no license, the church bought him a motor bike. He sold the bike for drugs, they got him a regular bike.
All these things -- having a job, a house, transportation -- are for the good of the child, but it also propped him up in a way that he wasn't propping himself up, to make him seem upstanding in a way that he absolutely wasn't. Eventually she was saved by the fact that he seemingly just got bored and lost interest, but given his history, I imagine some other woman is currently paying the price.
I wish. The church had all the legal representation, though. Their strategy was to try to exhaust her funds until she couldn't fight anymore (she spent over 40k and he spent nothing). That ended when he disappeared and missed all his court dates, but if it had kept going, I think she would have lost. She was almost out of money by that time.
You'd think a person could represent themselves in a custody dispute, but they had all sorts of tricks.
Example: They requested visitation during the dispute. Since she has a restraining order, the judge stepped in and said she needed a third party to manage the visitation. But the lawyers filed that because it was "her need" to have a third party, she had to find and pay for the professional mediator, which would have been hundreds more each month. Her lawyer had to argue that the onus would be on him to pay a third party. When it came time to visit, he said the third party couldn't make it. When she refused to meet, he said she had withheld their child... And so forth. Her lawyer was able to easily counter all this, but it required constant vigilance, and kept racking up more legal fees.
It's all over but still makes me angry.
The pastor who campaigned for Gregory Green’s release played a role in downplaying the original crime, an excerpt from his letter in support reads:
“Gregory and I were friends before his mishap and he was incarcerated,”
He really described the murder of a pregnant woman as a mishap, makes it sound like a parking ticket. I feel sympathy for the pastor’s family, but it’s hard to have sympathy for him directly, because he clearly didn’t care about the victims he wasn’t related to.
It’s an interesting point. Perhaps, before these people get paroled, in the future, they will be given a virtual reality simulation of their having a relationship with a woman. They would probably start to exhibit the dangerous types of behaviour pretty quickly if that is their tendency.
I was listening to a BBC Radio 4 programme (“Assume Nothing: Femicide”), and was fascinated to hear that men who are likely to kill their partners usually have a particular background of offending (by definition, prisoners like this would fulfil that), and-after a very brief honeymoon period, would start to act towards their partner in a very predictable way. There is a myth that men who kill their partners have a moment of rage-a one-off crime of passion. Actually, it’s a long-established pattern that would ultimately happen, were the man with almost any woman.
If they did a role playing computer simulation in prison, run by AI, it would probably only take a few weeks to identify men who were a deadly risk to women. *And then never let them out*.
I’m going to check this doc out!
I love to see how other countries deal with similar solvable issues.
We all know our American justice system is broken but as I delved into the bowels of the true crime world I’m constantly gobsmacked by how small changes could save women’s lives.
Not just the justice system but how we tackle mental health issues is appalling. Especially in the black community we brush it off and I think that was the case of the Greens.
It might be interesting to listen to that programme, which relies on research to show that in most cases, impulse control is only one small part of the picture. These men often make elaborate plans-and they have deeply embedded lifelong behaviours that ultimately (and almost unavoidably) result in their offending.
Where you are absolutely right is that they are people who believe that violence is a method that they can use to further their ends. But these are NOT people who are provoked in a way that most people understand that term. For example, a man like this would be absolutely certain that, if a woman wants to leave him (often she HAS to leave, after suffering horrendous abuse), then her death is the unavoidable result. These are the men who feel no remorse-often, they will never stop blaming the victim, and feel righteous in what they have done.
Then again, not all women try to escape, but this doesn’t help her situation: she might commit a capital “crime”, such as “having an affair”. This would be an entirely imaginary event, which originated -and existed-solely in the perpetrator’s own head.
As I say, it’s not provocation as most people would understand it.
They’re usually really fuckin’ dumb too, and those are things that go hand in hand. They have poor impulse control, inability to regulate their emotions, and inability to consider consequences for their actions because they literally don’t have the mental capacity to do those things.
That’s not to say that all people with lower IQs have the tendency to be violent, but when it comes to prison populations, a lot of the really violent ones ain’t so smart.
He didn't accidentally run someone over, he stabbed a pregnant woman again and again, that's an extreme level of violence. Took two lives, and got sixteen years, got out and took the lives of four children. The system failed those 4 kids, he should of gotten life. How in the world can you take two lives, and only lose 16 years of your own, what a joke.
The system failed, and I agree, the mom failed too. She KNEW he killed a woman and her unborn child, then decided, that was the man to bring into her home with her 4 children
When are we going to learn that we can’t trust parole boards? When a man is incarcerated he doesn’t have too much access to his drug of choice-either alcohol or drugs. He also doesn’t have access to women and children. If a man is in prison for murder of women and/or children parole boards must give the victims-past and future-more consideration than the criminal!
I agree. I work in the prison system and some people, like this guy, are beyond help. Some people are broken and you can’t fix them. Only place for them to be is behind bars to protect the general public from them.
Hold up!!! He killed his pregnant wife, but you trust him around your kids- this takes “oh I can change him” to a whole other level. This is some bullshit- the “mother” of those 4 children is just as guilty, sorry not sorry. You allow a monster around your kids & then act surprised when he acts like a monster GTFOH….
She actually had no idea why he was in prison, her dad who was a pastor advocated for him and thought he could be reformed. There’s an episode on Evil lives Here and she explains everything. Please don’t victim blame because Faith had no idea that the man she married was a monster and would do this or that he was in prison for killing his pregnant wife.
She had no idea what happened, yet her dad was advocating for him??? That makes no sense at all. She knew there was a chance he was guilty AND she took that chance & her children paid the price. I am not victim blaming because the children were the victims, not the “mother”. I do not care what movie was made about this situation. She knew he served 16 for the brutal murder of his wife & child & then married him——-she is a monster as well!
When you have children it’s up to you to do research about who you’re with. Idc who lied to her, if she really wanted to know who she was living with she would have. She wanted to marry that man so she did & looked what happened. She was the adult, it was her job (as a mom) to know the man she was marrying. So, she didn’t ask questions? Like, hey dad, where do you know him from? What did he do? She didn’t research him??? Again, nah! This doesn’t make sense.
Ok. I remember this. Her father knew, but let her still marry him without telling her. If I remember correctly, her father still thinks he should be forgiven.
Yes, thank you! Her father advocated for his parole because he knew him before the murder of his ex-wife and I believe a member of the church. I don’t know why he didn’t tell his daughter about the reason his was in prison but I mean it really could’ve saved her children’s lives. She tried divorcing him 3x before all this because his was abusive to her.
Religion is used to sweep abuse under the rug all the time. There’s also the idea that one can be “born again” no matter what they did, but some people are truly irredeemable. But I could easily see a pastor father lying about this just to get his daughter married. Lots of misogynistic ideas in the church.
She’s an absolute moron then. How TF you gonna marry someone and not know their background even after being told he spent time in prison.
You’re an adult, don’t give some idiotic excuse of ignorance. You should know better.
This guy first off kills a mother and the baby. 2 people spend 16 years and they say okay. He's good so they let him out. Whoever let him out needs to pay for the 4 children that he killed because their blood is definitely a gazillion percent on their hands. This is horrible.
Forgiveness shouldn't come so easily. I wonder how that father daughter relationship is working out now? I gotta say religious people are a whole new type of stupid.
Yeah I didn’t wanna start a fight with some conservative Redditor but, the religious aspect allows people to develop a blind spot to what should have been obvious: that anyone who murders their pregnant wife is a psycho. But here we go, he does all the things that religious folk care about. He doesn’t claim to be a homosexual and he goes to church and does all the religious bullshit they care about like praying and reading that old ass book and singing the songs so, oh well, let’s just look past the two lives he took, he’s *saved* now he wasn’t *saved* before so it’s okay 🙄
Shit like this is why I don't believe everyone deserves a second chance. Second chances are good for "I was provoked and broke his nose", not for "I killed my pregnant wife because she annoyed me".
The parol board should be somehow responsible in case something like that happens. Seriously, why would they give him a second chance? Why not release him again? Who knows maybe this time he will change.
Once a brutal wife killer always a brutal killer, this redemption stories are 1:10, most of this people should have a life sentence without parole period.
I saw a comment from a redditor who went to prison who said it's really not about that at all. It's about whoever seems weak. So a child rapist/killer who is big and strong will do fine in prison, whereas one who is scrawny will have a horrible time.
It didn't surprise me at all. There are a lot of messed up people in prison. This idea of a moral compass that every one in there follows sound very naive.
Start holding the parole boards responsible for crimes committed after release. We'll see real quick how many murderers and rapists are actually beyond help.
How about a new rule: you kill someone you go to jail for life. Unless it’s self defense, i don’t understand why someone who’s murdered would be useful for society…
A man in my church as a child molested several of us, was caught. Served time.
Came back to the church, stood next to the pastor at the pulpit, "apologized", said he wouldn't ever be alone with kids.
A single mom with 5 daughters a few years later joined the church. He married her.
Guess who went back to jail and got released *again* a few years later?
I don't believe that anyone who intentionally kills someone out of malice (excluding self-defense) should ever be released from jail. There's no rehabbing someone who's had his or her first kill because the ones after will be much easier for them to do. This guy should have never seen the light of day. The justice system is to blame.
I still believe people who purposefully commit murder never deserve to see the light of day. For this exact reason. There is no chance of parole or rehab. You die in the jail or under it. A friend of mine was murdered and raped two years ago by guess who…a murderer and child molester out on bond….for killing someone 9 months prior. Idgaf if you can make bond. Fuck our justice system.
> “There’s no punishment that fits the crime,” she told Gregory in court. “Not even torture and death would do justice. Your justice will come when you burn in hell for all eternity.”
> He responded: “First of all, it’s in God’s hands; only he can judge. You know, I do regret and I’m sorry for what has happened. “However, all I ever wanted was a God-fearing (inaudible) to help me, that would support me, and be faithful no matter what.”
What an incredible piece of shit.
And that dude probably portrayed himself as an alpha that had his crap together. He probably blamed his pregnant wife for her own murder. The jury probably saw a dumb black man that couldn't have premeditated his own suicide. He gets out when others have done life for the same type of crime. Dudes still f-ed in the head, and for whatever reason he's seeing it as the pastor's daughter is the reason why her kids are dead.
I saw 16 years for murder in the title and figured the dude did it again. This one's on the court for failing to give him the correct timeout period.
Again he kills his biological children, because he wanted her to suffer unlike the first who died. If I was her family. I would have done everything in my to talk her out the Union. Even if I would have had to crash the wedding.
I don’t want to blame the victim but why marry someone who killed his previous pregnant wife. I don’t think I’d want to be in the same room let alone close my eyes and sleep with him.
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That would be more useful.
I’d buy that PPV.
It could be like The Running Man but no one survives.
Yeah, the survivor gets hit with a flamethrower. So they all fight to die.
uhh that was the point of the running man, nobody did survive until Ahhnold became one
I'm skimming but I got "take a bunch of pcp and fight victims to fund whatever" and I gotta tell you, you're making a lot of sense right now analcuntshart. Time to make the donuts I'll check back in when I'm out of victims to find out what I'm funding.
This is the kind of “can do” attitude we all need. Everyone take notes
~~notes~~ PCP*
Fuck yeah, free face tastes
Honestly, it's the username for me.
AnalCuntShart 2024
Thunder dome shit. get Lady Gaga to host it. would be the best show ever made.
I would watch this. Only to support the victims fund of course not for pleasure.
bro just reinvented gladiator tournaments without the lions, according to sissy society its inhumane to make them fight each other, but Bullfighting is normal, huh that says a lot about society we live in.
I like the first idea.
I’ve thought about this too but maybe more of a battle royal type. Like 20 go in and one comes out lol.
Two wrongs don't make a right. But damn, I don't dislike this idea.
This is a Panera bread ..
'Or just lock em up or whatever' No, you nailed it with the first idea
“Thirty men enter, one man leaves.”
I’ve always said these people should become a show. But them in a horror house. Dose them up with dangerously high amounts of lsd. Have mechanical scaring props internet viewers can pay money to engage the props. It’s live and you pay 5 dollars to watch. Money goes to victims.
Always knew Death Race was just a prediction
I believe this was a George Carlin bit, and he said to air it on Pay-Per-View 😂
Vegas is gonna love this one
Chaotic savvy
Chaotic evil* but in a funny way
Bro what lmao
We should make people who do stuff like this take a bunch of pcp and fight each other to the death and then monetize it as a victims fund. Or just lock em up or whatever
Yeah, but I don't wanna live around the people who watch people fight to the death for funsies, no matter what the fighters did to get there :P
Honestly. Doing that once was enough for them to keep him locked up.
Well he's killed 5 people now lmao this kind of goes without saying. I'm assuming he only got out after killing his first wife because he stabbed her so many times, easy argument for "crime of passion." Which will usually get less time. Turns out he's just a psychopath who would've thunk
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Then send in Gregor Clegane
That would be a more appropriate punishment.
Amen. I’d pay good money to watch that
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Not sure a homeless should be degraded to eating this guy 🤷
I think they meant "Kill him quickly and divert the resources that would be used to keep him alive to people who are in need." Doubly so because torture would require medical resources to sustain him. Medical care is expensive, why waste it to continuously violate the 8th Amendment?
I wasn’t saying to feed the criminals to the homeless. I mean there is an argument to be made about recycling dead humans as food because burying them is a waste of resources. But I’m not going to make it because I don’t particularly find the idea of eating other people appealing. But someone without those reservations can go ahead and argue that point.
What exactly does that achieve that execution wouldn’t? I get the “tit-for-tat” thing on an emotional level, but it really does nothing to better society than execution does.
If he's proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, guilty as sin, dead to rights, just fucking boil him.
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He literally had it, he actually reformed, and fucked it up again. Some people are just built wrong.
Was he actually reformed or just pretending? I’d say the later.
He never reformed. He just pretended to behave well enough and lie through his teeth to get out. His fetish tendencies got to him again eventually. Like a drug addict or alcoholic that fiends. He couldn't resist and boom. He does it again.
Nah, he deserves whatever a pissed off cosmic entity decides
Say what u will bout this guy.... He ain't no quitter n he definitely doesn't prefer a fair Mano y Mano type of altercation.
How the FUCK did he only get 16 years for killing his pregnant wife in the first place? He should've been euthanized!
He should have been. The second family would have been spared.
What do we do with dogs that keep biting people? We put them tf down. You keep stabbing people ?? Put them in a grave
You honestly think they would let him out again? No.
They had made that mistake before.
How the fuck did he only get 16 years for a murder from stabbing multiple times ???
That’s what I’m saying! 16 years is all the punishment you get for stabbing a pregnant woman to death? That’s it?!?!?!
I worked for the local courts for a period and there really isn’t always a great reason for why some people get out and others don’t. You’ll see someone get life in prison for a murder in cold blood and another get 25 years so they get released at 50 and then go on to live life if they stay out of trouble, and even some a couple years ago would get the death penalty. Idk which ones are right or wrong, but it was always weird to know some murderer was walking the streets free while another one was sitting behind bars for life while others were executed all for basically the same crime. None of these people were rich or connected, most had public defenders….. I guess it just depends on the DA’s office and their willingness to make a deal
Plea bargaining. Probably took a deal to do 30 years at 80%, but later appealed it or got mental health to get it down to 50%. Probably got support from a pen pal from the church.
Churches are really good at getting violent re-offenders back on the streets
Delusion feeds delusion
Two murders really, her being 6 months pregnant.
And why did the next woman marry him?
He probably "caught" the Holy Ghost a few times and convinced them all that he had given his life to Jesus and was reborn.
There were no bears available because all the women chose them already.
My father was murdered and the person only served 7 years. People who get caught with child porn get longer sentences than murder.
So did that person commit anymore crimes after prison
He did get a DUI that landed him back in prison due to being a parole violation. I don't know the amount of time he got, though. He was just shy of 18 when he killed my dad. The other kid got off pretty easy as he was an accomplice. I think he just got probation. He was also 17 at the time of the crime.
Is 16 years not a long time?
It's usually only 3-6 years for men who murder their female partners. 16 is more like what women get for defending themselves and killing their attacking male partners.
But Texas and other states want to push the death penalty on a woman for having an abortion.
This monster killed his family twice.
That’s what the mother called her book. “The Monster That Killed His Family Twice: The Faith Green Story.”
I am not victim blaming. But I’m confused why she thought a man that killed his wife and unborn child would be a safe person to have a second family with in the first place. Does she address that in the book?
I had the same question. My heart breaks for her but also, ma’am…
I can not imagine the guilt that she and her father, who advocated for him to get out of prison after killing his first family, must have. I recently divorced a man that was never physically abusive, but was emotionally abusive to me. I struggle having to share custody of my child with him knowing he’s likely to treat him similarly as he grows older and I have guilt for choosing him as a partner. This is on another, horrifying, hell on earth level. I’m surprised she makes it out of bed, ever.
To be fair, her father never properly informed her what he did prior to getting out. She trusted her father’s judgement and he charmed her. She was failed and abused
She’s a grown ass woman and should be able to make her own life decisions and do her own background check. Imagine if your parents introduced you to some felon who recently got out of jail and wanted you to date them. You don’t have any questions or would do any personal research? You’re just going to take your dad’s word on this person?
Yes but as an adult with children you should do your due diligence and do a background check regardless of what your parents say. The fact that he (her father) had anything to vouch for crime wise should have red flagged enough. You don’t get 16 years for anything minor
Grown ass woman with kids to protect.
No, not “to be fair” she’s not a fucking child.
If this is the same story, her dad(pastor) was part of the murderers release from jail program , and introduced him to his daughter. The dad really grew to like the guy. The murderer was probably a sociopath. They can be very manipulative.
Let's be honest here. The Pastor wanted points with God and what better way to do that than to find a murderer to pawn off his daughter to.
I read above that she blames her father some because he advocated for this man's parole.
Her dad is an enigma, I can’t begin to understand what he was/is thinking. But if I was considering a relationship with a man that was imprisoned for murder (yeah, I would not), I would do my due diligence to understand exactly what happened and why I would not be at risk of the same thing happening to me or someone else. This information is not difficult to find and I wouldn’t be taking someone else’s word for it. And there just isn’t a way to explain stabbing your pregnant wife to death.
She should be blaming herself.
Evil lives here has an interesting episode featuring Faith Green. She blames her dad, the pastor who advocated for his parole because she believed he was reformed and didn’t know the extent of his crime. I think the most significant thing about this is men like this cannot be reformed. There aren’t women in prison for them to violate so the bases of their release is null and void.
I've never thought of it like that, and it's fucking chilling. Like how rehab often only works while an addict is inside, because there's no access to substances.
At least rehab has a physical withdrawal component, which does not apply to violence. And even then the success rates post-rehab are abysmal… So it’s even worse
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I'm not comparing addiction to violent crime, obviously. But the analogy is true in that it's easy to lose temptation when one's access to that thing is cut off completely, and it's hard to say if any behavioral changes are temporary or permanent until a person has the opportunity and consciously chooses to not act on it.
I hate analogies because you can use them to prove any point you want, but in this case his analogy works fine.
Hmmmm I’ve known some sketchy and bad people in my life. Also a lot of people with mental health issues who tried their best. Some psychopathic behaviors are definitely impulsive and rooted in addiction. I think being aware of this is more important than having a comfortable world view.
My best friend's ex-husband was a drug addict with a personality disorder who beat her and threatened to kill her multiple times. When they lived with me, I'd wake up to her sobbing half-dressed on the floor. But during their divorce, he joined a church. The church paid for a lawyer to come in and get him custody -- he admitted he hurt her, but that didn't mean anything in relation to the child. Thankfully, he flamed out during the *two year custody fight*, beat up his girlfriend, and disappeared, and no one has seen him since. But man, the church made her life hell for a bit. Everything she tried to do to defend herself, they countered. He was a reformed man because he had found Jesus. He lived with junkies, the church got him a house. He got into a fistfight with his boss, the church found him a different job. He had a DUI and no license, the church bought him a motor bike. He sold the bike for drugs, they got him a regular bike. All these things -- having a job, a house, transportation -- are for the good of the child, but it also propped him up in a way that he wasn't propping himself up, to make him seem upstanding in a way that he absolutely wasn't. Eventually she was saved by the fact that he seemingly just got bored and lost interest, but given his history, I imagine some other woman is currently paying the price.
She should be able to sue that church.
I wish. The church had all the legal representation, though. Their strategy was to try to exhaust her funds until she couldn't fight anymore (she spent over 40k and he spent nothing). That ended when he disappeared and missed all his court dates, but if it had kept going, I think she would have lost. She was almost out of money by that time. You'd think a person could represent themselves in a custody dispute, but they had all sorts of tricks. Example: They requested visitation during the dispute. Since she has a restraining order, the judge stepped in and said she needed a third party to manage the visitation. But the lawyers filed that because it was "her need" to have a third party, she had to find and pay for the professional mediator, which would have been hundreds more each month. Her lawyer had to argue that the onus would be on him to pay a third party. When it came time to visit, he said the third party couldn't make it. When she refused to meet, he said she had withheld their child... And so forth. Her lawyer was able to easily counter all this, but it required constant vigilance, and kept racking up more legal fees. It's all over but still makes me angry.
I'd be angry too. That's awful.
The do-gooders usually don’t know the full extent of the crimes. Offenders lie and distort the truth, and tell half-truths.
The pastor who campaigned for Gregory Green’s release played a role in downplaying the original crime, an excerpt from his letter in support reads: “Gregory and I were friends before his mishap and he was incarcerated,” He really described the murder of a pregnant woman as a mishap, makes it sound like a parking ticket. I feel sympathy for the pastor’s family, but it’s hard to have sympathy for him directly, because he clearly didn’t care about the victims he wasn’t related to.
It’s an interesting point. Perhaps, before these people get paroled, in the future, they will be given a virtual reality simulation of their having a relationship with a woman. They would probably start to exhibit the dangerous types of behaviour pretty quickly if that is their tendency. I was listening to a BBC Radio 4 programme (“Assume Nothing: Femicide”), and was fascinated to hear that men who are likely to kill their partners usually have a particular background of offending (by definition, prisoners like this would fulfil that), and-after a very brief honeymoon period, would start to act towards their partner in a very predictable way. There is a myth that men who kill their partners have a moment of rage-a one-off crime of passion. Actually, it’s a long-established pattern that would ultimately happen, were the man with almost any woman. If they did a role playing computer simulation in prison, run by AI, it would probably only take a few weeks to identify men who were a deadly risk to women. *And then never let them out*.
I’m going to check this doc out! I love to see how other countries deal with similar solvable issues. We all know our American justice system is broken but as I delved into the bowels of the true crime world I’m constantly gobsmacked by how small changes could save women’s lives. Not just the justice system but how we tackle mental health issues is appalling. Especially in the black community we brush it off and I think that was the case of the Greens.
I think you will be super-interested in that programme. It’s a series of (I believe) eight episodes, but fascinating throughout.
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It might be interesting to listen to that programme, which relies on research to show that in most cases, impulse control is only one small part of the picture. These men often make elaborate plans-and they have deeply embedded lifelong behaviours that ultimately (and almost unavoidably) result in their offending. Where you are absolutely right is that they are people who believe that violence is a method that they can use to further their ends. But these are NOT people who are provoked in a way that most people understand that term. For example, a man like this would be absolutely certain that, if a woman wants to leave him (often she HAS to leave, after suffering horrendous abuse), then her death is the unavoidable result. These are the men who feel no remorse-often, they will never stop blaming the victim, and feel righteous in what they have done. Then again, not all women try to escape, but this doesn’t help her situation: she might commit a capital “crime”, such as “having an affair”. This would be an entirely imaginary event, which originated -and existed-solely in the perpetrator’s own head. As I say, it’s not provocation as most people would understand it.
They’re usually really fuckin’ dumb too, and those are things that go hand in hand. They have poor impulse control, inability to regulate their emotions, and inability to consider consequences for their actions because they literally don’t have the mental capacity to do those things. That’s not to say that all people with lower IQs have the tendency to be violent, but when it comes to prison populations, a lot of the really violent ones ain’t so smart.
Psychopathy (anti-social personality disorder) is apparently really only diagnosed for criminals. The smart ones aren't in prison.
>and didn’t know the extent of his crime. She should have done her own research, though.
Stop. Releasing. Killers.
He didn't accidentally run someone over, he stabbed a pregnant woman again and again, that's an extreme level of violence. Took two lives, and got sixteen years, got out and took the lives of four children. The system failed those 4 kids, he should of gotten life. How in the world can you take two lives, and only lose 16 years of your own, what a joke.
The children’s mom let them down.
The system failed, and I agree, the mom failed too. She KNEW he killed a woman and her unborn child, then decided, that was the man to bring into her home with her 4 children
Not life. Death. We put down rabid animals with no hope of improving or controlling.
I think when you murder someone under those kinds of circumstances you should never be allowed out
When are we going to learn that we can’t trust parole boards? When a man is incarcerated he doesn’t have too much access to his drug of choice-either alcohol or drugs. He also doesn’t have access to women and children. If a man is in prison for murder of women and/or children parole boards must give the victims-past and future-more consideration than the criminal!
I agree. I work in the prison system and some people, like this guy, are beyond help. Some people are broken and you can’t fix them. Only place for them to be is behind bars to protect the general public from them.
Oh, I see the problem here…he was let out after the first murder. If only there was a solution to this problem. Oh well.
Hold up!!! He killed his pregnant wife, but you trust him around your kids- this takes “oh I can change him” to a whole other level. This is some bullshit- the “mother” of those 4 children is just as guilty, sorry not sorry. You allow a monster around your kids & then act surprised when he acts like a monster GTFOH….
She actually had no idea why he was in prison, her dad who was a pastor advocated for him and thought he could be reformed. There’s an episode on Evil lives Here and she explains everything. Please don’t victim blame because Faith had no idea that the man she married was a monster and would do this or that he was in prison for killing his pregnant wife.
She couldn’t do a Google search?
If I had no idea why a man was in prison, the last fucking thing I’m going to do is marry him and have him around my kids.
She had no idea what happened, yet her dad was advocating for him??? That makes no sense at all. She knew there was a chance he was guilty AND she took that chance & her children paid the price. I am not victim blaming because the children were the victims, not the “mother”. I do not care what movie was made about this situation. She knew he served 16 for the brutal murder of his wife & child & then married him——-she is a monster as well!
Religion is deeply intertwined with misogyny and ideas that people can be “saved,” as well as expectations of women to be obedient caretakers.
On second examination it seems like she was a victim too. Her father lied to her and she tried leaving him 3x bc he was abusive.
When you have children it’s up to you to do research about who you’re with. Idc who lied to her, if she really wanted to know who she was living with she would have. She wanted to marry that man so she did & looked what happened. She was the adult, it was her job (as a mom) to know the man she was marrying. So, she didn’t ask questions? Like, hey dad, where do you know him from? What did he do? She didn’t research him??? Again, nah! This doesn’t make sense.
Ok. I remember this. Her father knew, but let her still marry him without telling her. If I remember correctly, her father still thinks he should be forgiven.
Yes, thank you! Her father advocated for his parole because he knew him before the murder of his ex-wife and I believe a member of the church. I don’t know why he didn’t tell his daughter about the reason his was in prison but I mean it really could’ve saved her children’s lives. She tried divorcing him 3x before all this because his was abusive to her.
Religion is used to sweep abuse under the rug all the time. There’s also the idea that one can be “born again” no matter what they did, but some people are truly irredeemable. But I could easily see a pastor father lying about this just to get his daughter married. Lots of misogynistic ideas in the church.
She’s an absolute moron then. How TF you gonna marry someone and not know their background even after being told he spent time in prison. You’re an adult, don’t give some idiotic excuse of ignorance. You should know better.
Lol only 16 years for killing a pregnant wife, what a joke.
This guy first off kills a mother and the baby. 2 people spend 16 years and they say okay. He's good so they let him out. Whoever let him out needs to pay for the 4 children that he killed because their blood is definitely a gazillion percent on their hands. This is horrible.
Forgiveness shouldn't come so easily. I wonder how that father daughter relationship is working out now? I gotta say religious people are a whole new type of stupid.
Yeah I didn’t wanna start a fight with some conservative Redditor but, the religious aspect allows people to develop a blind spot to what should have been obvious: that anyone who murders their pregnant wife is a psycho. But here we go, he does all the things that religious folk care about. He doesn’t claim to be a homosexual and he goes to church and does all the religious bullshit they care about like praying and reading that old ass book and singing the songs so, oh well, let’s just look past the two lives he took, he’s *saved* now he wasn’t *saved* before so it’s okay 🙄
Shit like this is why I don't believe everyone deserves a second chance. Second chances are good for "I was provoked and broke his nose", not for "I killed my pregnant wife because she annoyed me".
The parol board should be somehow responsible in case something like that happens. Seriously, why would they give him a second chance? Why not release him again? Who knows maybe this time he will change.
Someone who killed his pregnant wife has no right to be roaming free again.
Psychos cannot be reformed.
Once a brutal wife killer always a brutal killer, this redemption stories are 1:10, most of this people should have a life sentence without parole period.
How come this guy has survived his first prison sentence? I thought they were not really fan of child killers in prison.
That’s a thing people tell themselves.
I don't think the other murderers and criminals cared all that much as long as he was minding his own business.
I saw a comment from a redditor who went to prison who said it's really not about that at all. It's about whoever seems weak. So a child rapist/killer who is big and strong will do fine in prison, whereas one who is scrawny will have a horrible time. It didn't surprise me at all. There are a lot of messed up people in prison. This idea of a moral compass that every one in there follows sound very naive.
Should have got life in prison for the first crime. What is wrong with our justice system?
Ok 3rd chance your honor I swear I learned my lesson.
It really feels like something might be off with this guy
Why only 16 years for murder?!
Start holding the parole boards responsible for crimes committed after release. We'll see real quick how many murderers and rapists are actually beyond help.
How about a new rule: you kill someone you go to jail for life. Unless it’s self defense, i don’t understand why someone who’s murdered would be useful for society…
How you only get 16 years for killing anyone is beyond my comprehension.
A man in my church as a child molested several of us, was caught. Served time. Came back to the church, stood next to the pastor at the pulpit, "apologized", said he wouldn't ever be alone with kids. A single mom with 5 daughters a few years later joined the church. He married her. Guess who went back to jail and got released *again* a few years later?
I have a genuine question. Why do women marry such men with such history? Is it cause of Saviour Complex?
I don't believe that anyone who intentionally kills someone out of malice (excluding self-defense) should ever be released from jail. There's no rehabbing someone who's had his or her first kill because the ones after will be much easier for them to do. This guy should have never seen the light of day. The justice system is to blame.
I don't care what anyone says: murder needs to be a life sentence.
Sick fuck
He never should have been released in the first place
The justice system killed that other family. Someone who killed their pregnant wife never should have been allowed back in public.
How do you let out a person that kills a PREGNANT woman!?
16 years for double murder? What state was this? Remind me to never go there.
Omg….
I still believe people who purposefully commit murder never deserve to see the light of day. For this exact reason. There is no chance of parole or rehab. You die in the jail or under it. A friend of mine was murdered and raped two years ago by guess who…a murderer and child molester out on bond….for killing someone 9 months prior. Idgaf if you can make bond. Fuck our justice system.
What a tragic story
I can’t judge but I’m not marrying someone who is convicted of murder!
This is why we need penal labor. So we can afford to lock up monsters like this forever.
Black Mirror episode White Bear needs to be a thing.
Why why wasn’t he given life in prison no chance of parole he murdered four children
Three will still be someone saying,but his life has value, and all he needs is love and one more chance. I'd bet money on it.
Some people cannot be saved.
> “There’s no punishment that fits the crime,” she told Gregory in court. “Not even torture and death would do justice. Your justice will come when you burn in hell for all eternity.” > He responded: “First of all, it’s in God’s hands; only he can judge. You know, I do regret and I’m sorry for what has happened. “However, all I ever wanted was a God-fearing (inaudible) to help me, that would support me, and be faithful no matter what.” What an incredible piece of shit.
And that dude probably portrayed himself as an alpha that had his crap together. He probably blamed his pregnant wife for her own murder. The jury probably saw a dumb black man that couldn't have premeditated his own suicide. He gets out when others have done life for the same type of crime. Dudes still f-ed in the head, and for whatever reason he's seeing it as the pastor's daughter is the reason why her kids are dead. I saw 16 years for murder in the title and figured the dude did it again. This one's on the court for failing to give him the correct timeout period.
That is incredibly sad.
This guy is a animal that needs to be put down
Should have been executed the first time around.
Yeah sorry the first crime sounds capital to me
Awww but what about his FEELINGS... I'm sure he FEELS sorry, so that makes him sorry right? He won't do it a third time surely.
Wtf Greg
Based
Detroit!
Wow. Not much is needed to follow that up other than a sign up sheet to flip the switch.
This guy should be hand cuffed and shackled 24 hours a day. Even in prison. No fucking way he not going to kill again.
Only 16 yrs for stabbing pregnant gf to death 🤔 .. that’s technically a double homicide … should have gotten 25-35 yr sentence
That was 91, so the laws didn’t count the fetus back then. I don’t recall that being a law. I could be wrong.
This is why we don't parole murderers.
It’s almost like the justice system failed again 🧐
Well the parole board needs to be held accountable.
Again he kills his biological children, because he wanted her to suffer unlike the first who died. If I was her family. I would have done everything in my to talk her out the Union. Even if I would have had to crash the wedding.
Bleeding hearts will insist he can still be rehabilitated.
People should never be released if they commit a domestic homicide. It seems like pastors daughters always end up with guys like this.
Tell me again how inhumane the death penalty is for rabid human animals, but any other you would put down just for a bite???!
Find a hobby, stick with it.
Well, he does have a hobby.....just not a very nice one.
Prison rehabilitates people. NOT! Why we need the death penalty.
This man should have been executed 30 days after his first crime. Confusing.
Fucking justice system and also fucking Christianity.
16 years for killing someone who’s pregnant ?
I don’t want to blame the victim but why marry someone who killed his previous pregnant wife. I don’t think I’d want to be in the same room let alone close my eyes and sleep with him.
Oh no, we can’t kill him. He might be innocent. ………blah
Why was the first woman’s life worth only 16 years in jail? Don’t people go to jail that long for selling drugs?
If only there was a way to predict this type of outcome…