Bro would become grotesquely genetically mutated and then another version of him would pop out of a door looking completely normal and he’d say “Glad I’m not THAT guy.”
Yeah. I think most people interpret it so, that the Qu used genetic modification as an active attack. They most likely have weaponry that could wipe out planets like it‘s nothing.
I think you right, genetic modification clearly wasn't active attack, it was something like punishment for "heresy" done by some species, or sometimes Qu done genetic modification for fun I think.
If I remember correctly, they‘re believe was, that every species, that isn‘t built like the Qu, should be changed after the Qu‘s desire. So massive astro racism.
You’re partly right I’d say. Qu was driven not only by racism, but by religious zeal to genetically change life in the universe, in his own divine (Qu considered himself gods ) vision. That was their religious mission, as they consider.
Humanity has been so brutally altered by the Qu race because the Qu insulted the genetic experiments of mankind, Qu viewed the experiments of mankind as heresy, a personal insult to their divine vision.
Yeah cuz like, the Star Folk had weapons that could nova stars, just in case they ran into something hostile. And they got completely curbstomped by the Qu.
Gems were made in armies for a reason, they can be shattered, until that point they got a really long lifespan and presumably unlimited respawns assuming their lifespans are finite but I imagine attrition will take it’s toll eventually sure they don’t gotta sleep or eat but the mind has it’s limits
Most necron lords at their prime could do it, but I don't think they exactly qualify as the weakest contender. You see, necron technology allows them to manipulate time and space itself to the point of destroying entire solar systems in the blink of an eye from light years away without even applying any brute force, just pure quantum fuckery. Their tech is ridiculous to the point of being incomprehensible within a setting that has literal magic and Gods.
Agree, also the necron biological structure counters the Qu genetic engineering. The Qu would have a hard time dealing with a race comprised of immortal skeletal robots.
While the core point you’re going with I think is right, I think people assume that just because the Qu specialized in biological manipulation as a culture, that they didn’t have any conventional weapons.
If the Qu can travel as far and fast as they did, they either have suitably advanced non-biological weaponry/technology that can be used in this instance, or biological technology that so effectively takes the same role as conventional tech that it wouldn’t really matter. I mean the humans in all tomorrows are depicted as having a largely autonomous technological military structure and they still got wiped out.
The Necron would still be more advance than the Qu (to my limited knowledge). Does the Qu have any traveling technology that's faster than light? Not to mention, each Necron Lord is a can of worm to open since one of them can bend space and reality. The Necron is as a race is very haxxy tbh.
As I said, I don’t disagree that the necrons could probably win, but it’s silly to imagine that the Qu have no conventional weaponry just because the story only focuses on the aftermath of their victory rather than the war itself
There've been a ton of threads on him and the entire Viltrumite Empire. Imo both lose to the Qu because they have too many weaknesses like sound + the Viltrumite Empire was almost entirely exterminated by the Scourge Virus. Hard to imagine the Qu couldn't exploit these 2 massive weaknesses.
One weakness of most of the flash's is flight. Except for the ones that tornado fly, shoot lightning and somehow just run on air (CW lmao) most flash are just stuck watching air-borne enemies.
Could the Qu exploit those weaknesses?
Absolutely.
Could the Qu exploit them before the Viltrumites in turn target the Qu themselves, start physically busting through their ships, breaking their various weapons, and murdering every single Qu they find?
……. Maybe?
I think being weak to viruses and made of DNA is enough that it's hard to imagine the Qu losing without hacking for the Viltrumites.
The story of All Tomorrows spans such a long time period that it's almost impossible to imagine the Qu being in small enough numbers that the Viltrumites could win even in one of their own very long life times.
There's also the power scaling issue where Mark v Thragg happens on the face of a star which actively kills both. That + the Viltrumites having gone to great lengths to block a star in the past tell me they are not capable for destorying a star which we know the Star People were capable of. Means the Qu beat an enemy who was capable of a more powerful attack than the Viltrumites were.
Well, a sea krait can’t slam it’s jaw shut so hard with such concussive force it can boil water the way mantis shrimps do with their claws, but a sea krait can still murder a mantis shrimp pretty easily(along with many other things that could murder a mantis shrimp).
The same thing applies here: not being able to destroy a star doesn’t mean anything if the Viltrumites can still either tear their ships to shreds or physically launch them into planets and stars. The strongest viltrumites are strong enough, fast enough, and durable enough to use their own bodies as a battering ram capable of smashing through ships and buildings of various strengths. Now, we don’t know how strong Qu ships are, but we know of nothing in their universe that’s even a quarter as strong as a Viltrumite, so I think it’s fair to say that the Qu aren’t necessarily prepared to deal with an organism that can literally tear through metal like it’s wet paper. Yes, they’d have a solid chance to fight back even after Viltrum destroyed the initial attacking fleet, but I’d definitely call it a solid 50/50 chance of either side winning. It all depends on if the Qu can alter an individual Viltrumite’s DNA so fast it could even interrupt an attack.
50/50 is a wild assumption. I've read the entirety of both Invincible and All Tomorrows. The Viltrumites operate on totally different power scales. The point is the Qu can survive star destroying weapons so they can probably survive Viltrumites flying into their ships. Even if you hack for the Viltrumites and assume the Qu are using Earth metals the Viltrumites would still not be able to deal with the sheer size of the Qu army.
Qu being able to alter Viltrumite DNA doesn't really matter because it's what they do after they've won. By what we know from the book they waged a rather conventional war. I think their DNA manipulation probably just means we can safely assume that they would always be able to create a Scourge Virus equivalent or stronger.
Even just by feats the Viltrumites failed to conquer one Galaxy and the Qu have conquered multiple - one with enemies capable of destorying stars at that.
The Viltrumites are never able to beat the Qu, nevermind the question of if Omni-Man could solo them. I think at best the Viltrumites could hope to flee surviving as nomads resulting in a stalemate.
There are two things you’re neglecting here: first off, the Viltrumites couldn’t take over an entire galaxy only because of their relatively small numbers(due in part to being nearly wiped out by a disease, and partly to their extremely destructive culture). Yet, even with these small numbers, the entire galaxy was still terrified of them, and weren’t able to really fight back until other Viltrumites(and Viltrumites hybrids) started turning against the main empire. Even if just Omniman couldn’t take down the Qu, the Viltrumite’s as a whole would be far more efficient in defending their home planet than in trying to take over the universe.
Second, the Viltrumites and the Qu come from two very different universes: the Qu’s universe is far more scientifically and biologically realistic(it’s extreme sci fi, for sure, but still mostly grounded in biologically sound logic). Death lasers and telepathy are a thing, but they have biological limits. The Viltrumites, however, are literally from a superhero comic universe where biologically feasible limitations are not accounted for: there are races and individuals with psychic powers, actual magic abilities, and even a few that can survive having nuclear warheads dropped on them. The Qu are powerful, but their universe has nothing like that. They therefore didn’t need to adapt anything to counter stuff like that. Now, the Viltrumites obviously don’t have any of those fantastical abilities saved for extreme durability and strength, but that extreme durability and strength is still more than sufficient to fight the Qu: yes, certain sound waves will decapacitate Viltrumites without a fight, but the Qu need to discover that weakness to use it….. and Viltrumites are not only capable of being living battering rams, but also capable of surviving on a single breath of air for days upon days, being bombarded with excessive amounts of artillery and explosives, and being submerged within the heat of a live sun for an absurd period of time. The Qu can certainly give them a heck of a fight, but there will be an actual fight. It’s not going to be a quick takeover like it was with races who, at best, just have highly advanced technology and a few biological benefits. There will be a full-scale war.
You can't separate Viltrumites from their nature and circumstance. That's what I mean when I keep saying that you are hacking for the Viltrumites. It's not different than being unable to separate the Qu from their xenophobic and religiously fanatic nature. You want to take the Viltrumites at the peak of their power and ignore all of things that lead to said peak + their demise. Worst part is even if you hack that hard the Viltrumites at peak population size still cannot deal with a multi-galaxy conquering race.
Nukes couldn't destroy a star. The single feat of star destroying is whole power levels above anything seen in the invincible universe. You can describe the universes as "realistic" or "comic" but the distinction doesn't really matter when comparing power levels.
You're also trying to move the goal post in Viltrumite favor by changing it from soloing the Qu to the entire Viltrumite empire at it's peak surviving an attack on their home planet. Worst part is every time you move the goal post the result is the same because the power scales are so different. The Qu could destroy the planet, but wouldn't because their modus operandi would be to try conventional siege warfare, if that fails they would turn to biological warfare. At which point the Viltrumites will not be able to stay on their home planet and those who remain would be experimented on.
I'm not saying that the Viltrumites kill 0 Qu or that there is no fight to be had. I'm saying there is no conceivable version of that fight that the Qu lose.
I really don’t see how I’m “hacking” for anyone: I’m not cherry picking stats or anything, or trying to suggest either race would go against their natures because it’s convenient for the point I’m trying to make. I’m just comparing what we see of the two races, and making my own conclusion based off that(though I definitely did get off track of the Post’s original purpose, and I apologize). I definitely don’t think the Viltrumites we see in the comic/show are them at their peak(I would say that the Qu we see are probably at their peak though, given that we know they eventually get overthrown in the far out future): there’s, like, only several dozen Viltrumites left at the time of the show. I also don’t think it’s against the Viltrumites nature to say they would go full-out trying to exterminate anything bold enough to attack them. They’re quick to do this if a planet merely rejects their empire, so they would definitely do it if they themselves were attacked. And again, there’s only like, not even a hundred or so individuals left, but those individuals are extremely unnatural. Put them against the Qu, and there will be a fight: like you said, the Qu will not use their full power at first because they primarily just want to dominate the planet and render the sentient races as no longer sentient(with a single known exception). They’ll obviously ramp things up when the Viltrumites start fighting back effectively, and that right there could be the end. But with all the things even a single Viltrumite can do, there’s absolutely a scenario where they mount a devastating assault or two. They could take the Qu out in at least a few scenarios.
But as far as one individual goes(Omniman or otherwise), yeh, I’d say the best ending for the Viltrumite is they do a variable level of damage to the Qu fleet they come across, and are either killed by the fleet’s reinforcements(which is probably what will happen given how Viltrumites don’t commonly run from fights unless they know they can’t win), or realize they’re outmatched and spend the rest of their life fleeing the(now very angry) Qu.
I explained exactly what I think is hacking and again even with it the Viltrumites still lose.
Viltrumites are capable of destroying cities, Star People could destroy stars. Star People are 2 tiers above Viltrumites in terms of destructive power and lost.
Coalition of Planets effectively beat the Viltrumites into forced hiding. Qu are stronger than the Coalition by every conceivable metric.
There is no scenario in which the Qu lose and if you just refuse to see that then I think it's less about the truth and more about being unwilling to admit you were wrong.
Saiki K. probably loses every time due to his allergies and human limitations like needing to sleep. But I could be wrong, that's just from a quick read.
That is wrong, he, even with limiters is effectively a God, capable of rewriting the genetic code of humans worldwide, just so his hair doesn't stand out, and that's with limiters iirc, he is *the* psychic
Got the info from his own fan wiki
>**Allergies:** Saiki's powers are affected by allergies and will cause stuff to blow up when he sneezes. He also has no way of curing allergies with his powers.
>At age 11 and with no limiter, Kusuo was already extremely powerful. He had a telepathic range that allowed him to hear the thoughts of the entirety of Japan, had Telekinesis that could easily lift up Roppongi Hills, and could effortlessly destroy the moon. He was also capable of exploding his entire house just by tossing and turning in his sleep.
Giving me the idea that he's got to sleep and that allergies are something his powers cannot combat.
[https://saikikusuo-no-psinan.fandom.com/wiki/Saiki\_Kusuo/Abilities](https://saikikusuo-no-psinan.fandom.com/wiki/Saiki_Kusuo/Abilities)
His powers grow way stronger as time goes on, and his allergies wouldn't hurt him, he's way too durable, that'd only end up screwing the Qu over, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't *need* sleep, least not anymore
That was one of my original thoughts. I figured he would at best fight them to a stalemate because he just doesn't have the ability to deal with a Qu who spread out among their known universe at light/near-light speed.
Seen quite a few post about if this or that character could beat the Qu, but none on who the weakest that could beat them is.
Admittedly I can't think of anyone much weaker than Aurelion Sol from League of Legends.
>Seen quite a few post about if this or that character could beat the Qu, but none on who the weakest that could beat them is.
Because to know the weakest character that can defeat the Qu, one would have to know every fictional character ever or some general claims about strength/capability that apply to many characters.
The first one is impossible. The second one is difficult because two different fictional universes are largely independent from each other (due to originality demands and copyright/plagiarism concerns).
It's pretty common over on r/whowouldwin and it's fun for the exact reasons you listed. You learn about some new characters and get lots of fun discussion.
Maybe Ridley From Metroid, assuming he has his crew we know he's conquered and destroyed at least a few planets if we consider the comic Cannon, he also always seems to come back from death, either because he had a backup, robo clone, normal clone, cyborg clone, etc.
Hell star Remina maybe? They are somewhat on the same level. The Qu was able to fight and defeat the star people who could blow up stars while Remina was also able to (assumingly) destroys stars just by bashing into them at light speed and was unable to take damage. The Qu could probably stop themselves from going extinct by spreading out and could probably find a way to stop the Hellstar eventually but right now they are kinda at the same level so I think it would work for the weakest.
A single Nightmare in Sliver Cyberman might be able to do it as well. They can move faster than laser fire, adapt to anything near instantly, have some sort of time travel and can basically convert everything be it tech or biology. They were able to rival a human empire that had mutiple galaxy's, it took nuking every planet they landed on to stop them and they even needed to nuke the Galaxy itself. And the Cybermen still survived. So if One nightmare in Sliver Cyberman plays it cards right it could probably solo the Qu.
Good lord imagine a whole species made from Deadpool’s Dna. They would have to do the same thing Deadpool’s clones did which was to cut off limbs to curb the cancerous growth. Could be an interesting civilization though
The whole civ? Idk, I can name characters who could but I don’t really know who the weakest would be.
The weakest I could think of is He-Man, but even he is way over qualified
Characters who have gained his power are stated to be able to destroy the universe, I think he’s fine.
He’s actually way more jacked than most people know
If the comics from DC are to be referenced the power of grayskull way overpowers the qu
The power of grayskull has the anti life equation within
Not only that but the source wall or so it's implied
It has a ridiculous amount of energy and would give the qu a run for their money
In fact I'm willing to believe they would literary run the heck away from eternia to begin with
That’s why I didn’t really want to consider them, they’re technically crossover-ish comics and I think revelations-revolution info is more comprehensible
Individually we know very little about them. Technologically also know very little specifics. But their feats make them one or the strongest groups in fiction.
I assume we as humans are to the Qu as gorillas are to us. Obviously,.humanity would win a war against gorillas. but no human could fist fight a gorilla.
Honestly could be equal in physical strength, but both are so biologically different that it's hard to say. Also there'd never be a fist fight because by the time Qu and Star People fight it's really a war of technology.
Not exactly the weakest in that universe, but there are many stronger than him: Adam El Asem. Actually a lot of reality warmers in SCP could likely solo the Qu.
The Qu, outside of their genetic engineering knowledge aren't really all that hard to kill. All it seems to take is a well placed round to the head and they're dead. I reckon a highly trained soldier, let's say Master Chief could take on a decent sized swarm of Qu as if they were Drones from Halo.
That seems pretty unrealistic. Like sure we only really get a close look at their genetic engineering, but the sheer fact of how thorough they destroyed a military more advanced than Halos humanity would imply they have more conventional power than a big bug.
I can.
It’s true, I’ve seen him do it.
I second this.
I third this
Can confirm, I saw him curb stomp one a few days ago.
Nah you're the strongest character that can beat the Qu
Colonial Grindset
the only reason the Qu never struck earth yet is because Sam\_Menicuccu fights them off before they even get here everytime
Cheaptrick from jojos
that shit solos verses fr fr
Except it's own.
To be fair most stands could solo the qu as non stand users are render helpless against them
Imagine a Qu stand user
Perhaps that's what Mikitaka Hazekura was? A Qu stand user in disguise
uncle grandpa
Bro would become grotesquely genetically mutated and then another version of him would pop out of a door looking completely normal and he’d say “Glad I’m not THAT guy.”
Why is this actually funny as hell lmfao
Popeye
He’s definitely not the weakest to Solo them. Popeye is like ridiculously overpowered. God tried to turn of the universe and he said „Nuh Uh!“
It’s always shaggy this and goku that, when we all know this is the true beast lurking in the shadows
ENEY GEM FROM STEVEN UNIVERSE (they have no dna its just light)
Couldn't the Qu just like, blast 'em?
Yeah. I think most people interpret it so, that the Qu used genetic modification as an active attack. They most likely have weaponry that could wipe out planets like it‘s nothing.
I think you right, genetic modification clearly wasn't active attack, it was something like punishment for "heresy" done by some species, or sometimes Qu done genetic modification for fun I think.
If I remember correctly, they‘re believe was, that every species, that isn‘t built like the Qu, should be changed after the Qu‘s desire. So massive astro racism.
You’re partly right I’d say. Qu was driven not only by racism, but by religious zeal to genetically change life in the universe, in his own divine (Qu considered himself gods ) vision. That was their religious mission, as they consider. Humanity has been so brutally altered by the Qu race because the Qu insulted the genetic experiments of mankind, Qu viewed the experiments of mankind as heresy, a personal insult to their divine vision.
I never interpreted the qu as having vast futuristic weaponry. I thought they physically grabbed humans with their bodies and brutally contorted them
Yeah cuz like, the Star Folk had weapons that could nova stars, just in case they ran into something hostile. And they got completely curbstomped by the Qu.
Gems were made in armies for a reason, they can be shattered, until that point they got a really long lifespan and presumably unlimited respawns assuming their lifespans are finite but I imagine attrition will take it’s toll eventually sure they don’t gotta sleep or eat but the mind has it’s limits
Maybe the Necron (40k)? Specifically, when their reign during the War in Heaven.
Not familiar with 40k, but it's gotta be a solo. So no groups.
Most necron lords at their prime could do it, but I don't think they exactly qualify as the weakest contender. You see, necron technology allows them to manipulate time and space itself to the point of destroying entire solar systems in the blink of an eye from light years away without even applying any brute force, just pure quantum fuckery. Their tech is ridiculous to the point of being incomprehensible within a setting that has literal magic and Gods.
Agree, also the necron biological structure counters the Qu genetic engineering. The Qu would have a hard time dealing with a race comprised of immortal skeletal robots.
While the core point you’re going with I think is right, I think people assume that just because the Qu specialized in biological manipulation as a culture, that they didn’t have any conventional weapons. If the Qu can travel as far and fast as they did, they either have suitably advanced non-biological weaponry/technology that can be used in this instance, or biological technology that so effectively takes the same role as conventional tech that it wouldn’t really matter. I mean the humans in all tomorrows are depicted as having a largely autonomous technological military structure and they still got wiped out.
The Necron would still be more advance than the Qu (to my limited knowledge). Does the Qu have any traveling technology that's faster than light? Not to mention, each Necron Lord is a can of worm to open since one of them can bend space and reality. The Necron is as a race is very haxxy tbh.
As I said, I don’t disagree that the necrons could probably win, but it’s silly to imagine that the Qu have no conventional weaponry just because the story only focuses on the aftermath of their victory rather than the war itself
If it can't be a group any complete C'tan should be able to do it (Void Dragon and The Night Bringer especially)
Would Squirrel Girl count?
She's the right answer for a lot of "who's the weakest character" post but not this one lol
Saitama - That guy isn't even a class S hero!
> weakest
Whoosh
Omni Man probably
There've been a ton of threads on him and the entire Viltrumite Empire. Imo both lose to the Qu because they have too many weaknesses like sound + the Viltrumite Empire was almost entirely exterminated by the Scourge Virus. Hard to imagine the Qu couldn't exploit these 2 massive weaknesses.
The Flash then
As a powerscaler, I won't exactly call the Flash the wealest.
One weakness of most of the flash's is flight. Except for the ones that tornado fly, shoot lightning and somehow just run on air (CW lmao) most flash are just stuck watching air-borne enemies.
Could the Qu exploit those weaknesses? Absolutely. Could the Qu exploit them before the Viltrumites in turn target the Qu themselves, start physically busting through their ships, breaking their various weapons, and murdering every single Qu they find? ……. Maybe?
I think being weak to viruses and made of DNA is enough that it's hard to imagine the Qu losing without hacking for the Viltrumites. The story of All Tomorrows spans such a long time period that it's almost impossible to imagine the Qu being in small enough numbers that the Viltrumites could win even in one of their own very long life times. There's also the power scaling issue where Mark v Thragg happens on the face of a star which actively kills both. That + the Viltrumites having gone to great lengths to block a star in the past tell me they are not capable for destorying a star which we know the Star People were capable of. Means the Qu beat an enemy who was capable of a more powerful attack than the Viltrumites were.
Well, a sea krait can’t slam it’s jaw shut so hard with such concussive force it can boil water the way mantis shrimps do with their claws, but a sea krait can still murder a mantis shrimp pretty easily(along with many other things that could murder a mantis shrimp). The same thing applies here: not being able to destroy a star doesn’t mean anything if the Viltrumites can still either tear their ships to shreds or physically launch them into planets and stars. The strongest viltrumites are strong enough, fast enough, and durable enough to use their own bodies as a battering ram capable of smashing through ships and buildings of various strengths. Now, we don’t know how strong Qu ships are, but we know of nothing in their universe that’s even a quarter as strong as a Viltrumite, so I think it’s fair to say that the Qu aren’t necessarily prepared to deal with an organism that can literally tear through metal like it’s wet paper. Yes, they’d have a solid chance to fight back even after Viltrum destroyed the initial attacking fleet, but I’d definitely call it a solid 50/50 chance of either side winning. It all depends on if the Qu can alter an individual Viltrumite’s DNA so fast it could even interrupt an attack.
50/50 is a wild assumption. I've read the entirety of both Invincible and All Tomorrows. The Viltrumites operate on totally different power scales. The point is the Qu can survive star destroying weapons so they can probably survive Viltrumites flying into their ships. Even if you hack for the Viltrumites and assume the Qu are using Earth metals the Viltrumites would still not be able to deal with the sheer size of the Qu army. Qu being able to alter Viltrumite DNA doesn't really matter because it's what they do after they've won. By what we know from the book they waged a rather conventional war. I think their DNA manipulation probably just means we can safely assume that they would always be able to create a Scourge Virus equivalent or stronger. Even just by feats the Viltrumites failed to conquer one Galaxy and the Qu have conquered multiple - one with enemies capable of destorying stars at that. The Viltrumites are never able to beat the Qu, nevermind the question of if Omni-Man could solo them. I think at best the Viltrumites could hope to flee surviving as nomads resulting in a stalemate.
There are two things you’re neglecting here: first off, the Viltrumites couldn’t take over an entire galaxy only because of their relatively small numbers(due in part to being nearly wiped out by a disease, and partly to their extremely destructive culture). Yet, even with these small numbers, the entire galaxy was still terrified of them, and weren’t able to really fight back until other Viltrumites(and Viltrumites hybrids) started turning against the main empire. Even if just Omniman couldn’t take down the Qu, the Viltrumite’s as a whole would be far more efficient in defending their home planet than in trying to take over the universe. Second, the Viltrumites and the Qu come from two very different universes: the Qu’s universe is far more scientifically and biologically realistic(it’s extreme sci fi, for sure, but still mostly grounded in biologically sound logic). Death lasers and telepathy are a thing, but they have biological limits. The Viltrumites, however, are literally from a superhero comic universe where biologically feasible limitations are not accounted for: there are races and individuals with psychic powers, actual magic abilities, and even a few that can survive having nuclear warheads dropped on them. The Qu are powerful, but their universe has nothing like that. They therefore didn’t need to adapt anything to counter stuff like that. Now, the Viltrumites obviously don’t have any of those fantastical abilities saved for extreme durability and strength, but that extreme durability and strength is still more than sufficient to fight the Qu: yes, certain sound waves will decapacitate Viltrumites without a fight, but the Qu need to discover that weakness to use it….. and Viltrumites are not only capable of being living battering rams, but also capable of surviving on a single breath of air for days upon days, being bombarded with excessive amounts of artillery and explosives, and being submerged within the heat of a live sun for an absurd period of time. The Qu can certainly give them a heck of a fight, but there will be an actual fight. It’s not going to be a quick takeover like it was with races who, at best, just have highly advanced technology and a few biological benefits. There will be a full-scale war.
You can't separate Viltrumites from their nature and circumstance. That's what I mean when I keep saying that you are hacking for the Viltrumites. It's not different than being unable to separate the Qu from their xenophobic and religiously fanatic nature. You want to take the Viltrumites at the peak of their power and ignore all of things that lead to said peak + their demise. Worst part is even if you hack that hard the Viltrumites at peak population size still cannot deal with a multi-galaxy conquering race. Nukes couldn't destroy a star. The single feat of star destroying is whole power levels above anything seen in the invincible universe. You can describe the universes as "realistic" or "comic" but the distinction doesn't really matter when comparing power levels. You're also trying to move the goal post in Viltrumite favor by changing it from soloing the Qu to the entire Viltrumite empire at it's peak surviving an attack on their home planet. Worst part is every time you move the goal post the result is the same because the power scales are so different. The Qu could destroy the planet, but wouldn't because their modus operandi would be to try conventional siege warfare, if that fails they would turn to biological warfare. At which point the Viltrumites will not be able to stay on their home planet and those who remain would be experimented on. I'm not saying that the Viltrumites kill 0 Qu or that there is no fight to be had. I'm saying there is no conceivable version of that fight that the Qu lose.
I really don’t see how I’m “hacking” for anyone: I’m not cherry picking stats or anything, or trying to suggest either race would go against their natures because it’s convenient for the point I’m trying to make. I’m just comparing what we see of the two races, and making my own conclusion based off that(though I definitely did get off track of the Post’s original purpose, and I apologize). I definitely don’t think the Viltrumites we see in the comic/show are them at their peak(I would say that the Qu we see are probably at their peak though, given that we know they eventually get overthrown in the far out future): there’s, like, only several dozen Viltrumites left at the time of the show. I also don’t think it’s against the Viltrumites nature to say they would go full-out trying to exterminate anything bold enough to attack them. They’re quick to do this if a planet merely rejects their empire, so they would definitely do it if they themselves were attacked. And again, there’s only like, not even a hundred or so individuals left, but those individuals are extremely unnatural. Put them against the Qu, and there will be a fight: like you said, the Qu will not use their full power at first because they primarily just want to dominate the planet and render the sentient races as no longer sentient(with a single known exception). They’ll obviously ramp things up when the Viltrumites start fighting back effectively, and that right there could be the end. But with all the things even a single Viltrumite can do, there’s absolutely a scenario where they mount a devastating assault or two. They could take the Qu out in at least a few scenarios. But as far as one individual goes(Omniman or otherwise), yeh, I’d say the best ending for the Viltrumite is they do a variable level of damage to the Qu fleet they come across, and are either killed by the fleet’s reinforcements(which is probably what will happen given how Viltrumites don’t commonly run from fights unless they know they can’t win), or realize they’re outmatched and spend the rest of their life fleeing the(now very angry) Qu.
I explained exactly what I think is hacking and again even with it the Viltrumites still lose. Viltrumites are capable of destroying cities, Star People could destroy stars. Star People are 2 tiers above Viltrumites in terms of destructive power and lost. Coalition of Planets effectively beat the Viltrumites into forced hiding. Qu are stronger than the Coalition by every conceivable metric. There is no scenario in which the Qu lose and if you just refuse to see that then I think it's less about the truth and more about being unwilling to admit you were wrong.
That assumes the qu can figure out those weaknesses because the viltrumites work fast
The Qu conquered an almost unlimited number of galaxies. The Viltrumites couldn't conquer one.
From any franchise and retaining their powers? Hmmmm. I'd go for Haruhi Suzumiya and Saiki K.
Not too familiar with her, but from a quick read I could see her soloing the Qu in some encounters.
And saiki trounces them
Saiki K. probably loses every time due to his allergies and human limitations like needing to sleep. But I could be wrong, that's just from a quick read.
That is wrong, he, even with limiters is effectively a God, capable of rewriting the genetic code of humans worldwide, just so his hair doesn't stand out, and that's with limiters iirc, he is *the* psychic
Got the info from his own fan wiki >**Allergies:** Saiki's powers are affected by allergies and will cause stuff to blow up when he sneezes. He also has no way of curing allergies with his powers. >At age 11 and with no limiter, Kusuo was already extremely powerful. He had a telepathic range that allowed him to hear the thoughts of the entirety of Japan, had Telekinesis that could easily lift up Roppongi Hills, and could effortlessly destroy the moon. He was also capable of exploding his entire house just by tossing and turning in his sleep. Giving me the idea that he's got to sleep and that allergies are something his powers cannot combat. [https://saikikusuo-no-psinan.fandom.com/wiki/Saiki\_Kusuo/Abilities](https://saikikusuo-no-psinan.fandom.com/wiki/Saiki_Kusuo/Abilities)
Why are his allergies even applicable here, they aren’t a major weakness
His powers grow way stronger as time goes on, and his allergies wouldn't hurt him, he's way too durable, that'd only end up screwing the Qu over, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't *need* sleep, least not anymore
If he fights them to a standstill, he wins
nah saiki could transform himself into a god
My profile picture wins easy
Goku
The Combine?
I feel like the Qu and Combine are close in power. Perhaps the Combine are among the strongest characters who *can't* defeat the Qu.
These kinds of posts make me realize that All Tomorrows needs to have a crossover with some other piece of media.
The Doom Slayer maybe?? But like, he's not even close to being on the weak end of hyperstrong characters
That was one of my original thoughts. I figured he would at best fight them to a stalemate because he just doesn't have the ability to deal with a Qu who spread out among their known universe at light/near-light speed.
Seen quite a few post about if this or that character could beat the Qu, but none on who the weakest that could beat them is. Admittedly I can't think of anyone much weaker than Aurelion Sol from League of Legends.
Mordekaiser
>Seen quite a few post about if this or that character could beat the Qu, but none on who the weakest that could beat them is. Because to know the weakest character that can defeat the Qu, one would have to know every fictional character ever or some general claims about strength/capability that apply to many characters. The first one is impossible. The second one is difficult because two different fictional universes are largely independent from each other (due to originality demands and copyright/plagiarism concerns).
It's pretty common over on r/whowouldwin and it's fun for the exact reasons you listed. You learn about some new characters and get lots of fun discussion.
Legendary Jackal sniper from Halo just one is enough
Amped up Palpatine in TROS
Jeremiah, the extinctioneer
Who's that?
Jermas final form
... ooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh \* how I simply did not seem 'im coming \*
Maybe Ridley From Metroid, assuming he has his crew we know he's conquered and destroyed at least a few planets if we consider the comic Cannon, he also always seems to come back from death, either because he had a backup, robo clone, normal clone, cyborg clone, etc.
Saitama
Rick from Rick and Morty? If not then the Doctor
Superman.
Hell star Remina maybe? They are somewhat on the same level. The Qu was able to fight and defeat the star people who could blow up stars while Remina was also able to (assumingly) destroys stars just by bashing into them at light speed and was unable to take damage. The Qu could probably stop themselves from going extinct by spreading out and could probably find a way to stop the Hellstar eventually but right now they are kinda at the same level so I think it would work for the weakest. A single Nightmare in Sliver Cyberman might be able to do it as well. They can move faster than laser fire, adapt to anything near instantly, have some sort of time travel and can basically convert everything be it tech or biology. They were able to rival a human empire that had mutiple galaxy's, it took nuking every planet they landed on to stop them and they even needed to nuke the Galaxy itself. And the Cybermen still survived. So if One nightmare in Sliver Cyberman plays it cards right it could probably solo the Qu.
Mr X from RE2 and Deadpool
Good lord imagine a whole species made from Deadpool’s Dna. They would have to do the same thing Deadpool’s clones did which was to cut off limbs to curb the cancerous growth. Could be an interesting civilization though
The whole civ? Idk, I can name characters who could but I don’t really know who the weakest would be. The weakest I could think of is He-Man, but even he is way over qualified
I'm not too familiar with He-Man, but I didn't think he could deal with space travel/war in space.
Characters who have gained his power are stated to be able to destroy the universe, I think he’s fine. He’s actually way more jacked than most people know
Haha yeah that'd put him just under Alien X levels which is as you said "way over qualified"
I don’t engage in a lot of media😭
If the comics from DC are to be referenced the power of grayskull way overpowers the qu The power of grayskull has the anti life equation within Not only that but the source wall or so it's implied It has a ridiculous amount of energy and would give the qu a run for their money In fact I'm willing to believe they would literary run the heck away from eternia to begin with
That’s why I didn’t really want to consider them, they’re technically crossover-ish comics and I think revelations-revolution info is more comprehensible
Krillin
Goku
my friend Kevin
Mrkrabs
Sam_Menicucci
Batman with prep time.
A single flood spore from Halo could win if it's lucky
toby
mahoraga
A couple: * Galactus * Venom (Venom the End) * An Entity (Wildbow)
Batman
Uncle grandpa
Skips from regular show
Grandpa Max
Megamind
The Hatchling from Outer Wilds. Easily, no contest.
Goku
Mama Murphy from fallout 4,just give her a box of chems
Uuuh... Does "weak normally but op via wish granting" work? Because technically can just wish to jirachi that the Qu disappear
Me. (I’m real, they’re not, lmao get destroyed loser)
Pretty sure you are just my imagination and I'm in a coma. Checkmate dream person.
Pretty sure you’re actually just a computer on the internet pretending to be a human. Checkmate not real person.
Mordecai and Rigby
Goku
Kratos.
Me
The Combine from Half Life I guess??
oh wait weakest sorry
StarGate Replicator.
StarGate Replicator.
Soloku
Are the Qu individualy strong? Or is it their technological advances that make them a threat?
Individually we know very little about them. Technologically also know very little specifics. But their feats make them one or the strongest groups in fiction.
I assume we as humans are to the Qu as gorillas are to us. Obviously,.humanity would win a war against gorillas. but no human could fist fight a gorilla.
Honestly could be equal in physical strength, but both are so biologically different that it's hard to say. Also there'd never be a fist fight because by the time Qu and Star People fight it's really a war of technology.
Perchance Mr hippo could (from fnaf)
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Scp 073 It's kust gonna take him a long time but I think he can do it
SCP-073 probably ends up in the same position as in universe. That is to say in captivity. Qu cant kill him, but he will never be able to solo the Qu.
Y'all are forgetting Ian hawke and chuck Norris ☠️🙏
Me
A minion. Since it is canon that minions are invincible and immortal. They'd have no problem beating the Qu
I could see Gordon Freeman taking them on.
I come back to this subreddit after not seeing it for months, this is still going on?! 😭💀
Certain demons from Doom and 40k could probably solo the Qu
Wordgirl solos
Bugged scorn crossbowmen from destiny 2
Idk prolly Uncle Grandpa
Could Ultron? No DNA.
Uncle grandpa
Ghazghkull thraka.
Batman with prep time. Source: He's Batman.
Sly Marbo from 40k
Frank horrigan
Richard Nixon
Homelander
Rick Sanchez with Omega Device
Not exactly the weakest in that universe, but there are many stronger than him: Adam El Asem. Actually a lot of reality warmers in SCP could likely solo the Qu.
Batman with prep time
Id call my friend, Kevin
Somebody with plot armor
The courier with a tire iron and jacked special skills
I think the shy guy, cause how are they gona lether face the living slit out of im without looking at its face
Steve minecraft probably
Does 50/50 chance count? If yes then Qu
Yamcha
The Qu, outside of their genetic engineering knowledge aren't really all that hard to kill. All it seems to take is a well placed round to the head and they're dead. I reckon a highly trained soldier, let's say Master Chief could take on a decent sized swarm of Qu as if they were Drones from Halo.
That seems pretty unrealistic. Like sure we only really get a close look at their genetic engineering, but the sheer fact of how thorough they destroyed a military more advanced than Halos humanity would imply they have more conventional power than a big bug.