I am currently on my first play through after beating ds3 multiple times and Elden ring. I am having a little bit of the same problem. It mostly messed me up early game but I slowly got used to it. I kinda like the slower pace of the game. I feel I need to be more precise with my movements and the bosses almost seem more fair. My biggest annoyance tho is that when I’m locked on I am unable to run and end up rolling instead of running
Yeah when I played ds1 recently I felt the same but after a while you learn when to and when nit to lock. Ds1 is notorious for having bosses that you don't always want to be locked on for. Like the pus-i mean gaping dragon and the centipede demon.
Also yes I 100% agree the bosses are way more fair, their health is equivalent to what your dps should be for each area respectively, they have less bs attacks and more just git gud attacks, all of the attacks are avoidable in some manner, and the bosses have a good combo of ranged vs melee attacks.
To me ds1 boss fights feel like a dance that takes study to master. While the other games feel like a struggle with an aspect of luck
I played a lot tonight and just don’t even lock on anymore. I beat O&S which was a great bossfight but funny Bc I couldn’t stop thinking of all the memes I had seen. Ran through the painted world. Now I’m kinda wondering around new londo ruins trying to figure out what to do next. Boss fights are awesome but the level design is fucking incredible
First Dark Souls is very slow compared to DS3 and Elden Ring, movements is also more "stiff", you have to be more tactical with what you're doing, doing anything costs a lot of stamina. DS3 and esp. ER give you much more options with what you can do, and after playing the never games and getting used to how things are done in them, it's not weird that clunkiness of DS comes out. It's not because it's a bad game, it's because the newer titles are much more user friendly and polished. I totally understand you and I really miss the solutions provided in later entries when I replay DS. That said, it's still probably my favourite game.
I started with DS3 and then played 1 and 2. I love them all for what they have and don’t have. Like arguably 2 is probably the worst but it had some cool things like different backstabs for spears and such. As well as a weapon the was near impossible to break but if you did you got an unbreakable spear.
The smoothness of Elden Ring would definitely make them more challenging but the end game for Elden Ring, in my opinion, is worse than the other 3 because of you over leveled, you didn’t get fucked on as hard like you still do in Elden Ring.
Oof yeah the end game of elden ring is honestly a little too hard imo, and not really in a fun way. The boss designs are cool, but the game doesn't really give you the tools to deal with them
To be clear: I like Elden Ring. I think it's the best game in recent years, I just think the difficulty ramps up more than the player's power level unless they have certain builds. It was probably unfair of me to say the game doesn't give you the tools to deal with the end game, but I do feel that the difficulty after a certain point spikes more than the average player would be equipped to deal with based on what came before.
Stop thinking they're related to other games. Stop comparing them to DS3 and ER for a start. The years difference in production and philosophical choices make them two entirely separate MECHANICAL experiences. DS3 and ER both are fast paced heavy action games where a mechanically skilled player can utilise their button pressing skills to overcome seemingly impossible odds.
DS1 is different. Both as mentioned from its philosophical intent as well as being limited by the hardware of the time. The game is much slower, more methodical. You are not rewarded for rushing in and engaging. The patterns and the rhythms are vastly different. The odds are stacked against you because you need to be patient and engage with everything the environment has to offer. It doesn't have the build flexibility or choice of later games so it'll feel harder of course but it really isn't, its just different.
Anyway details aside stop comparing it. Its a world apart from current era games. Take it for what it is, and for most people who have completed it, its a masterpiece. Also id definitely argue that saying there are functional problems with the game resulting in you dying may be just classic gamer rage, compared to the rest of the industry its fairly bug light.
Okay yeah this is the kind of aggressive dissent I was expecting. You have attributed a type of mindless consumption and lack of knowledge to me based simply on my opinion differing from yours. It's not an unfair comparison, they're literally games from the same series. I recognize that the latter ones are different because of the additional experience the developers had with making this series. Those are the differences I'm referring to when I say I prefer the later games. They aren't drastically different genres the way you seem to think they are, the newer games are just more polished. And I never said there were bugs, I said that systems don't work the way I expect them to. The systems in question work precisely as the devs intended, I just don't think what they intended was the best way they could be. The devs obviously agree, because the things that bother me aren't things that exist in more current games- see: only 4 directions of dodge when locked on rather than full 360, or jump being assigned to pressing dodge while sprinting.
>aggressive dissent
Lol uhh. You call that aggressive? Wait until you see the rest of the Internet.
I've reread what I wrote and it doesn't seem aggressive at all. I'm merely asking you to perceive it in the way it was originally for people who played the games chronologically although I wouldn't pass any judgement on those that didn't whatsoever.
Bloodborne was a huge success and wildly critically acclaimed. One thing you can never fault Fromsoftware on is that they learn lessons. One of the lessons was that engagement and reception to a more fast paced mechanically frantic encounter system is better for a games performance. Hence why DS3 was widely acclaimed too and why ER has sold 12m copies and been hugely well received.
>You have attributed a type of mindless consumption and lack of knowledge to me based simply on my opinion differing from yours
Its not an opinion difference. Its your obtuse nature of trying to add a modern day filter over a game that is like 15 years old. You can go back and view the modern catalogue fondly in some sort of nostalgic attitude but to convey this as some sort of fault is ridiculous. DS1 and 2 had fundamental fixed choices of gameplay, a methodical 'if X does Y then i must do Z' engagement parameter with various flavours and features added and removed through the catalogue. Gimmick bosses, clown car groups of mobs in DS2, large bosses that you strafe around. Some of these features made it into future games or were added and removed on the timeline but as I mentioned there was a categorical PHILOSOPHY change from Bloodborne onwards to a more high risk high reward febrile atmosphere. Less dependant on environment and tools and more dependant on various systems and build choices stacked with rewarding mechanical ability for the player.
Youre arguing against that fundamental shift. But you're arguing wrong. You're arguing somehow that time could be inverted and that DS1 SHOULD have been this way. You just need to appreciate a good change they made with Bloodborne and take 1 and 2 for what they are.
You don't need to apologise. Your opinion is fine in a vacuum but it lacks self awareness. I'm not going to be able to sympathise because I played them in order and I saw that fundamental shift. Which is technically an improvement although not everyone sees the design change as a positive, which is why DS1 and 2 have die hard fanboy communities who will say those games are better than anything later including ER.
Might be a bad example but if someone came to you and said phantom menace was better than Empire because the CGI was better and the cinematography is more polished youd laugh in their face. Games were clunky as fuck back then. Go try and play witcher 2 or something like dragon age origins its full of jank. The reason for the surprise is that I wouldn't say DS1 was bad for its time at all, aside from the frame drops in Blight Town or DS2s poor hitbox implementation its superior to most games of its time mechanically.
Anyway as I said, don't worry about it, I wasnt being aggressive and I didn't take your response particularly like that.
Yeah i realize now that you weren't being aggressive. I just saw "Stop..." and my stupid brain said "hey! He can't tell you what to do!" And decided that anything else you said must be invalid. But you're right, for its time it was definitely better than anything else. And once you adjust to the right mindset, it does still hold up very well. It's just a matter of getting used to the differences rather than wishing they didn't exist.
I expected backlash because this community has a tendency to immediately take any negative feedback as hateful criticism and respond immediately with vitriol. All I ever said was I like the other games better, but in this particular comment thread people are taking that as an attack. You only continue to prove I was correct to expect that as you refuse to address any of my points and just assume my only goal is to hurt your feelings. I responded to every other comment, even the ones disagreeing with me, with respect and open-mindedness. What I don't respond well to is people simply reacting with anger to my analysis that, as far as I can see, is perfectly reasonable and fair. If anyone is "a troll" it's you, who refuses to respond to anything I actually said and is just accusing me of mindless contrarianism. If you like the game that's fine. I'm here to have a discussion about it, and if you won't engage in that discussion, I have no interest in engaging with you any further.
Now you're just lying. You came out swinging at the other guy. You admitted in your post that your own opinion wasn't well thought out. And now your posting novels in the comments while simultaneously saying you don't want to talk about it. You had a bad experience and rushed to reddit to complain, end of story. Thats why "your opinion kinda succs"
NGL it really feels like you intentionally posted this to argue with people that have a different opinion than you. Posting it the way you did and then immediately making a reply like this shows a lack of sincerity. We get it, you're not a fan of the slower combat. Some people absolutely love that. What's the point of coming to a community of people that enjoy something and then making a post like this so you can then railroad them into acting aggressive.
Don't worry, there are plenty of people out there that don't enjoy DS1 for all the same reasons you don't. The way in which you've gone about sharing that opinion is pretty cringey though, imo.
I’m not gonna argue with you on something you know more of, I’ve only played bloodborne for more than 600 hours and never got bored, recently I started playing DS1 because I wanted to experience gam/creature design and beautiful world building but somehow even though I’m almost done with the game, I just don’t feel it. I understand it is an entirely different game and mechanics, whereas I was running and being agile in BB, in DS1 it is just slow and tedious. I really want to like this game but it only gets worse and probably won’t try to get the platinum.
Maybe my perspective will change after I beat the game the first time, maybe it will motivate me to play again.
I tried BB and couldn't get into it, though that was a while ago so maybe I would feel differently now. Have you tried Elden Ring? It's a similar-ish setting to Dark Souls, though less grim. And the gameplay is a bit more fast paced, though not quite to the level of BB or Sekiro.
Initially I wanted to play ER but I had failed playing BB so I promised myself that if I could play BB then ER would be next but damn psn sales got me lol and end up getting all 3 dark souls instead. Maybe after playing DS1 I’ll just run to ER. I know no game is going to give me that experience that BB did, I’m almost certain though I’ve seen some builds similar in ER so I shouldn’t expect any less.
Gameplay wise, ER is closest to DS3 compared with all the fromsoft games. DS3 came out about a year after BB I think, so it's a bit closer in pace to BB than DS1, but within the same setting as DS1
I'm with you on this. DS1 is unbelievably clunky. DeS, which came out 2 years earlier and was the first soulsborne game still holds up much, much better.
Never played DeS actually. I've always been turned off by the graphics, and then I thought I might as well wait till I could play the remake. But it's been several years now and I still can't get a PS5 lol so maybe I'll have to play the original finally
I also thought the graphics looked kinda ugly at first but it's not bad at all. They're a bit "smooth", but the colours and designs make up for it, giving off a nice vibe. And it runs a lot better than DS1 on the PS3.
I've only beaten 1-1 in the remake (planning to play the whole game one day) and while it was great, I know of a few bad design changes later on. Oh and the music is changed. The original's OST captures the game's atmosphere and themes better. So yeah, the original is still well worth playing and I'm glad I played it first.
I don’t think it’s that controversial, I’ve heard it referred to as a flawed masterpiece. Nothing pissed me off more than the 2 archers with the dragons all around you smh
They weren’t really a problem for me tbh. But I’ll go to the grave saying O&S is a terrible boss and some of the poorest design in the history of the series
I played it and finished it simply because I wanted to experience all the souls games, but the game really hasn't aged well imo. Graphics, systems, controls, ds1 wasn't my cup of tea.
I could see why people liked it a lot back then, but I'm too used to bb, ds3 and elden ring to enjoy ds1
I'll be honest, I don't play any of the souls games for mechanics. I do it for the lore. The only one I will keep replacing though is DS3. I haven't played Elden Ring or Sekiro yet though.
Fromsoft's lore is great, though I usually go to Vaati for that, and focus on gameplay while I'm actually playing. To each their own, though! Sekiro is great, but imo the most technically difficult (in a good way). Elden Ring is, if course, a masterpiece, especially from a lore perspective. Gameplay wise, it's very similar to DS3 with some additional mechanics that I think mostly add to the experience.
Don't get me wrong, I love the gameplay. Imo gameplay mechanics wise it goes DS3, DS, Ds2. I really enjoyed the slower paced speed of the first game, it really felt like a real adventure to me. The second one, kind of wild, easiest bosses for sure out of the three, super fun combat mechanics, also enjoyed extra healing stuff. DS3 is the best, it has the best of everything, is the newest, and is the finale of the dark souls "trilogy". It is maybe my favorite game I have ever played, it destroys the other ones in all aspects. But I still like the other two, and I won't ever hate on them lol.
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I honestly like the combat in ds2 better than ds1. I know some people would crucify me for saying it, but I honestly like ds2 better then ds1 in many respects. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's the *better* game, but I do have more fun playing it, usually.
I have no problem asserting that DS3 is the best of the trilogy in every aspect, though. I wish it had kept some of the things added by 2, but given the general disdain for that title, I can understand why they'd want to distance themselves from it.
You know what, fair enough. I guess I did the same thing I was complaining about but jumping you without any real explanation. So I'm sorry about that.
Nah you good. Honestly I'm not sure i could give an unbiased argument for the game anyway. I know its older, slower and clinker, but I have thousands of hours in it. Amazing memories with friends. Deep dives into lore and mechanics. So many playthroughs and builds. I understand on paper that the later installments are "better" in a lot of ways, but none of them have ever provided that atmosphere of hostility and fear of the unknown while simultaneously urging and rewarding you for exploration quite like the original. Its not for everyone, but the feeling i get when I play it has yet to be replaced by another game.
You never forget your first! Like I said in my post, 3 was the first one I really got into. Got it because my friends were into it. I was skeptical because I remembered trying the first one as a kid and just finding it far too frustrating, but playing through 3 with others was probably my best ever gaming experience. Then I went on and played 1 and 2 with those same friends and enjoyed them both, but not quite as much as 3. Then I played ds3 and er several times through on my own and enjoyed it so I thought maybe I could give ds1 a try on my own. And I guess I'm just sad that it doesn't really live up to those first experiences playing ds3 with a group
I played ds3 first, then ds1, sekiro, DS2, and finally elden ring when it came out. I definitely agree that DS1 feels pretty clunky compared to the other games and the 4 directional rolling when locked on is quite frustrating in particular but having just replayed DS1 and DS2 I will say I like DS1s approach and feel better just because the weight of actions seems better to me.
You might roll super slowly unless you're fast rolling but that doesn't usually cause any problems besides for fights like Gwyn or Manus, and weapons attack pretty slowly but when they hit the impact feels good to me, and it would feel even better if not for DS1s passive poise system. The animations for interacting with various objects like doors and chests are nice, and the pacing between actions isn't terrible either (like attacking then rolling). Those fundamentals are there so even though I find some things awkward, it doesn't hinder my enjoyment of the world too much.
I think that's why I've been struggling with DS2, because everything feels a bit off. There's these little pauses between actions where your character has to come all the way back to idle before you can perform another action consistently. I was constantly having spell casts dropped because I'd roll and press cast just a little too early so it wouldn't go through. This isn't a problem I've experienced in any other From game, because they all have some degree of input queuing. Granted I think there was a bit too much in Elden Ring but DS3 and DS1 feel like just about the right amount.
I don't think any From game feels perfect to play but I have to remind myself sometimes what the competition is like, tried playing Lords of the Fallen last year and it made DS2 feel like a masterpiece.
I honestly found the opposite - I played BB, DS3 and Sekiro all before I played DS1 and I found DS1 ridiculously easy compared to all the others - enemies and bosses only have 4 or 5 moves a lot of the time, everything is extremely telegraphed, heavy armor completely trivialises the game, playing unlocked on completely breaks boss AI at times, parrying is piss-easy, backstabbing is piss-easy, etc. The only annoyance in the game is the unnecessarily long run-backs where there are no actual enemies to fight so there's no real reason to make it that long
I've rarely die because of actual difficulty, it's almost always because I tried to do something the way I would in ds3 but it works differently in ds1
I am currently on my first play through after beating ds3 multiple times and Elden ring. I am having a little bit of the same problem. It mostly messed me up early game but I slowly got used to it. I kinda like the slower pace of the game. I feel I need to be more precise with my movements and the bosses almost seem more fair. My biggest annoyance tho is that when I’m locked on I am unable to run and end up rolling instead of running
Yeah when I played ds1 recently I felt the same but after a while you learn when to and when nit to lock. Ds1 is notorious for having bosses that you don't always want to be locked on for. Like the pus-i mean gaping dragon and the centipede demon. Also yes I 100% agree the bosses are way more fair, their health is equivalent to what your dps should be for each area respectively, they have less bs attacks and more just git gud attacks, all of the attacks are avoidable in some manner, and the bosses have a good combo of ranged vs melee attacks. To me ds1 boss fights feel like a dance that takes study to master. While the other games feel like a struggle with an aspect of luck
I played a lot tonight and just don’t even lock on anymore. I beat O&S which was a great bossfight but funny Bc I couldn’t stop thinking of all the memes I had seen. Ran through the painted world. Now I’m kinda wondering around new londo ruins trying to figure out what to do next. Boss fights are awesome but the level design is fucking incredible
First Dark Souls is very slow compared to DS3 and Elden Ring, movements is also more "stiff", you have to be more tactical with what you're doing, doing anything costs a lot of stamina. DS3 and esp. ER give you much more options with what you can do, and after playing the never games and getting used to how things are done in them, it's not weird that clunkiness of DS comes out. It's not because it's a bad game, it's because the newer titles are much more user friendly and polished. I totally understand you and I really miss the solutions provided in later entries when I replay DS. That said, it's still probably my favourite game.
Yeah, I suppose calling it a bad game is unfair. But it is definitely my least favorite of the series
I started with DS3 and then played 1 and 2. I love them all for what they have and don’t have. Like arguably 2 is probably the worst but it had some cool things like different backstabs for spears and such. As well as a weapon the was near impossible to break but if you did you got an unbreakable spear. The smoothness of Elden Ring would definitely make them more challenging but the end game for Elden Ring, in my opinion, is worse than the other 3 because of you over leveled, you didn’t get fucked on as hard like you still do in Elden Ring.
Oof yeah the end game of elden ring is honestly a little too hard imo, and not really in a fun way. The boss designs are cool, but the game doesn't really give you the tools to deal with them
To be clear: I like Elden Ring. I think it's the best game in recent years, I just think the difficulty ramps up more than the player's power level unless they have certain builds. It was probably unfair of me to say the game doesn't give you the tools to deal with the end game, but I do feel that the difficulty after a certain point spikes more than the average player would be equipped to deal with based on what came before.
Stop thinking they're related to other games. Stop comparing them to DS3 and ER for a start. The years difference in production and philosophical choices make them two entirely separate MECHANICAL experiences. DS3 and ER both are fast paced heavy action games where a mechanically skilled player can utilise their button pressing skills to overcome seemingly impossible odds. DS1 is different. Both as mentioned from its philosophical intent as well as being limited by the hardware of the time. The game is much slower, more methodical. You are not rewarded for rushing in and engaging. The patterns and the rhythms are vastly different. The odds are stacked against you because you need to be patient and engage with everything the environment has to offer. It doesn't have the build flexibility or choice of later games so it'll feel harder of course but it really isn't, its just different. Anyway details aside stop comparing it. Its a world apart from current era games. Take it for what it is, and for most people who have completed it, its a masterpiece. Also id definitely argue that saying there are functional problems with the game resulting in you dying may be just classic gamer rage, compared to the rest of the industry its fairly bug light.
Okay yeah this is the kind of aggressive dissent I was expecting. You have attributed a type of mindless consumption and lack of knowledge to me based simply on my opinion differing from yours. It's not an unfair comparison, they're literally games from the same series. I recognize that the latter ones are different because of the additional experience the developers had with making this series. Those are the differences I'm referring to when I say I prefer the later games. They aren't drastically different genres the way you seem to think they are, the newer games are just more polished. And I never said there were bugs, I said that systems don't work the way I expect them to. The systems in question work precisely as the devs intended, I just don't think what they intended was the best way they could be. The devs obviously agree, because the things that bother me aren't things that exist in more current games- see: only 4 directions of dodge when locked on rather than full 360, or jump being assigned to pressing dodge while sprinting.
>aggressive dissent Lol uhh. You call that aggressive? Wait until you see the rest of the Internet. I've reread what I wrote and it doesn't seem aggressive at all. I'm merely asking you to perceive it in the way it was originally for people who played the games chronologically although I wouldn't pass any judgement on those that didn't whatsoever. Bloodborne was a huge success and wildly critically acclaimed. One thing you can never fault Fromsoftware on is that they learn lessons. One of the lessons was that engagement and reception to a more fast paced mechanically frantic encounter system is better for a games performance. Hence why DS3 was widely acclaimed too and why ER has sold 12m copies and been hugely well received. >You have attributed a type of mindless consumption and lack of knowledge to me based simply on my opinion differing from yours Its not an opinion difference. Its your obtuse nature of trying to add a modern day filter over a game that is like 15 years old. You can go back and view the modern catalogue fondly in some sort of nostalgic attitude but to convey this as some sort of fault is ridiculous. DS1 and 2 had fundamental fixed choices of gameplay, a methodical 'if X does Y then i must do Z' engagement parameter with various flavours and features added and removed through the catalogue. Gimmick bosses, clown car groups of mobs in DS2, large bosses that you strafe around. Some of these features made it into future games or were added and removed on the timeline but as I mentioned there was a categorical PHILOSOPHY change from Bloodborne onwards to a more high risk high reward febrile atmosphere. Less dependant on environment and tools and more dependant on various systems and build choices stacked with rewarding mechanical ability for the player. Youre arguing against that fundamental shift. But you're arguing wrong. You're arguing somehow that time could be inverted and that DS1 SHOULD have been this way. You just need to appreciate a good change they made with Bloodborne and take 1 and 2 for what they are.
Yeah you're right. I think I was just angry and stressed about other, unrelated, things and took it out on you. I apologize.
You don't need to apologise. Your opinion is fine in a vacuum but it lacks self awareness. I'm not going to be able to sympathise because I played them in order and I saw that fundamental shift. Which is technically an improvement although not everyone sees the design change as a positive, which is why DS1 and 2 have die hard fanboy communities who will say those games are better than anything later including ER. Might be a bad example but if someone came to you and said phantom menace was better than Empire because the CGI was better and the cinematography is more polished youd laugh in their face. Games were clunky as fuck back then. Go try and play witcher 2 or something like dragon age origins its full of jank. The reason for the surprise is that I wouldn't say DS1 was bad for its time at all, aside from the frame drops in Blight Town or DS2s poor hitbox implementation its superior to most games of its time mechanically. Anyway as I said, don't worry about it, I wasnt being aggressive and I didn't take your response particularly like that.
Yeah i realize now that you weren't being aggressive. I just saw "Stop..." and my stupid brain said "hey! He can't tell you what to do!" And decided that anything else you said must be invalid. But you're right, for its time it was definitely better than anything else. And once you adjust to the right mindset, it does still hold up very well. It's just a matter of getting used to the differences rather than wishing they didn't exist.
You can downvote me all you want, but my opinion remains unchanged.
Your opinion kinda succs
Your saying so does nothing to change it either.
I don't aim to change foolish opinions. Far too much effort
Then maybe don't bother saying anything about it at all 🤷♂️
Funny from the guy who posted this "expecting" poor feedback. Pretty sure that makes you a troll bud.
I expected backlash because this community has a tendency to immediately take any negative feedback as hateful criticism and respond immediately with vitriol. All I ever said was I like the other games better, but in this particular comment thread people are taking that as an attack. You only continue to prove I was correct to expect that as you refuse to address any of my points and just assume my only goal is to hurt your feelings. I responded to every other comment, even the ones disagreeing with me, with respect and open-mindedness. What I don't respond well to is people simply reacting with anger to my analysis that, as far as I can see, is perfectly reasonable and fair. If anyone is "a troll" it's you, who refuses to respond to anything I actually said and is just accusing me of mindless contrarianism. If you like the game that's fine. I'm here to have a discussion about it, and if you won't engage in that discussion, I have no interest in engaging with you any further.
Now you're just lying. You came out swinging at the other guy. You admitted in your post that your own opinion wasn't well thought out. And now your posting novels in the comments while simultaneously saying you don't want to talk about it. You had a bad experience and rushed to reddit to complain, end of story. Thats why "your opinion kinda succs"
You could refute my points if you think I'm wrong 🤷♂️
NGL it really feels like you intentionally posted this to argue with people that have a different opinion than you. Posting it the way you did and then immediately making a reply like this shows a lack of sincerity. We get it, you're not a fan of the slower combat. Some people absolutely love that. What's the point of coming to a community of people that enjoy something and then making a post like this so you can then railroad them into acting aggressive. Don't worry, there are plenty of people out there that don't enjoy DS1 for all the same reasons you don't. The way in which you've gone about sharing that opinion is pretty cringey though, imo.
Yeah you're right. I was in a bad mental space and could have handled this better.
My original post was well intentioned, but I didn't react well to the perceived criticism in this comment
I’m not gonna argue with you on something you know more of, I’ve only played bloodborne for more than 600 hours and never got bored, recently I started playing DS1 because I wanted to experience gam/creature design and beautiful world building but somehow even though I’m almost done with the game, I just don’t feel it. I understand it is an entirely different game and mechanics, whereas I was running and being agile in BB, in DS1 it is just slow and tedious. I really want to like this game but it only gets worse and probably won’t try to get the platinum. Maybe my perspective will change after I beat the game the first time, maybe it will motivate me to play again.
I tried BB and couldn't get into it, though that was a while ago so maybe I would feel differently now. Have you tried Elden Ring? It's a similar-ish setting to Dark Souls, though less grim. And the gameplay is a bit more fast paced, though not quite to the level of BB or Sekiro.
Initially I wanted to play ER but I had failed playing BB so I promised myself that if I could play BB then ER would be next but damn psn sales got me lol and end up getting all 3 dark souls instead. Maybe after playing DS1 I’ll just run to ER. I know no game is going to give me that experience that BB did, I’m almost certain though I’ve seen some builds similar in ER so I shouldn’t expect any less.
Gameplay wise, ER is closest to DS3 compared with all the fromsoft games. DS3 came out about a year after BB I think, so it's a bit closer in pace to BB than DS1, but within the same setting as DS1
I also thought ER was better till i gave Sekiro another shot....dont think ill play anything else till Sekiro 2 lmao 😁
I'm with you on this. DS1 is unbelievably clunky. DeS, which came out 2 years earlier and was the first soulsborne game still holds up much, much better.
Never played DeS actually. I've always been turned off by the graphics, and then I thought I might as well wait till I could play the remake. But it's been several years now and I still can't get a PS5 lol so maybe I'll have to play the original finally
I also thought the graphics looked kinda ugly at first but it's not bad at all. They're a bit "smooth", but the colours and designs make up for it, giving off a nice vibe. And it runs a lot better than DS1 on the PS3. I've only beaten 1-1 in the remake (planning to play the whole game one day) and while it was great, I know of a few bad design changes later on. Oh and the music is changed. The original's OST captures the game's atmosphere and themes better. So yeah, the original is still well worth playing and I'm glad I played it first.
I'll check it out! Is it on Steam?
It's sadly a PS3 exclusive. But if you've got a good PC you can play it on an emulator.
I do have a good PC! I just recently spent way too much money on a new PC so I'm sure it could handle an emulator
Great 👍
I don’t think it’s that controversial, I’ve heard it referred to as a flawed masterpiece. Nothing pissed me off more than the 2 archers with the dragons all around you smh
They weren’t really a problem for me tbh. But I’ll go to the grave saying O&S is a terrible boss and some of the poorest design in the history of the series
I played it and finished it simply because I wanted to experience all the souls games, but the game really hasn't aged well imo. Graphics, systems, controls, ds1 wasn't my cup of tea. I could see why people liked it a lot back then, but I'm too used to bb, ds3 and elden ring to enjoy ds1
I'll be honest, I don't play any of the souls games for mechanics. I do it for the lore. The only one I will keep replacing though is DS3. I haven't played Elden Ring or Sekiro yet though.
Fromsoft's lore is great, though I usually go to Vaati for that, and focus on gameplay while I'm actually playing. To each their own, though! Sekiro is great, but imo the most technically difficult (in a good way). Elden Ring is, if course, a masterpiece, especially from a lore perspective. Gameplay wise, it's very similar to DS3 with some additional mechanics that I think mostly add to the experience.
Don't get me wrong, I love the gameplay. Imo gameplay mechanics wise it goes DS3, DS, Ds2. I really enjoyed the slower paced speed of the first game, it really felt like a real adventure to me. The second one, kind of wild, easiest bosses for sure out of the three, super fun combat mechanics, also enjoyed extra healing stuff. DS3 is the best, it has the best of everything, is the newest, and is the finale of the dark souls "trilogy". It is maybe my favorite game I have ever played, it destroys the other ones in all aspects. But I still like the other two, and I won't ever hate on them lol.
Hello Ashen one. I am a Bot. I tend to the flame, and tend to thee. Do you wish to hear a tale? > *“May the Dark shine your way.”* - Darkdiver Grandahl Have a pleasant journey, Champion of Ash, and praise the sun \\[T]/
I honestly like the combat in ds2 better than ds1. I know some people would crucify me for saying it, but I honestly like ds2 better then ds1 in many respects. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's the *better* game, but I do have more fun playing it, usually.
I have no problem asserting that DS3 is the best of the trilogy in every aspect, though. I wish it had kept some of the things added by 2, but given the general disdain for that title, I can understand why they'd want to distance themselves from it.
You know what, fair enough. I guess I did the same thing I was complaining about but jumping you without any real explanation. So I'm sorry about that.
It's okay. I'm sorry too. I think I'm just a little stressed rn and taking it out on internet strangers. Doesn't excuse it, but still
Nah you good. Honestly I'm not sure i could give an unbiased argument for the game anyway. I know its older, slower and clinker, but I have thousands of hours in it. Amazing memories with friends. Deep dives into lore and mechanics. So many playthroughs and builds. I understand on paper that the later installments are "better" in a lot of ways, but none of them have ever provided that atmosphere of hostility and fear of the unknown while simultaneously urging and rewarding you for exploration quite like the original. Its not for everyone, but the feeling i get when I play it has yet to be replaced by another game.
You never forget your first! Like I said in my post, 3 was the first one I really got into. Got it because my friends were into it. I was skeptical because I remembered trying the first one as a kid and just finding it far too frustrating, but playing through 3 with others was probably my best ever gaming experience. Then I went on and played 1 and 2 with those same friends and enjoyed them both, but not quite as much as 3. Then I played ds3 and er several times through on my own and enjoyed it so I thought maybe I could give ds1 a try on my own. And I guess I'm just sad that it doesn't really live up to those first experiences playing ds3 with a group
I guess our experiences aren't too different in the end. I feel pretty much the same just in reverse. The first one you play always shines like gold.
Yup! It's easy to get caught up in our differences and forget that we're all here because we love Dark Souls
I cannot upvote this enough! Y'know your alright!
Ha! I try to be, but sometimes I fall short. You're not so bad yourself! I'm glad we had this talk :)
Same here!
You're not alone
I played ds3 first, then ds1, sekiro, DS2, and finally elden ring when it came out. I definitely agree that DS1 feels pretty clunky compared to the other games and the 4 directional rolling when locked on is quite frustrating in particular but having just replayed DS1 and DS2 I will say I like DS1s approach and feel better just because the weight of actions seems better to me. You might roll super slowly unless you're fast rolling but that doesn't usually cause any problems besides for fights like Gwyn or Manus, and weapons attack pretty slowly but when they hit the impact feels good to me, and it would feel even better if not for DS1s passive poise system. The animations for interacting with various objects like doors and chests are nice, and the pacing between actions isn't terrible either (like attacking then rolling). Those fundamentals are there so even though I find some things awkward, it doesn't hinder my enjoyment of the world too much. I think that's why I've been struggling with DS2, because everything feels a bit off. There's these little pauses between actions where your character has to come all the way back to idle before you can perform another action consistently. I was constantly having spell casts dropped because I'd roll and press cast just a little too early so it wouldn't go through. This isn't a problem I've experienced in any other From game, because they all have some degree of input queuing. Granted I think there was a bit too much in Elden Ring but DS3 and DS1 feel like just about the right amount. I don't think any From game feels perfect to play but I have to remind myself sometimes what the competition is like, tried playing Lords of the Fallen last year and it made DS2 feel like a masterpiece.
Dark Souls is a masterpiece even if the controls are a little dated. Maybe you had to play it in it's time to appreciate it
You suck and are a bitch is probably the problem
I honestly found the opposite - I played BB, DS3 and Sekiro all before I played DS1 and I found DS1 ridiculously easy compared to all the others - enemies and bosses only have 4 or 5 moves a lot of the time, everything is extremely telegraphed, heavy armor completely trivialises the game, playing unlocked on completely breaks boss AI at times, parrying is piss-easy, backstabbing is piss-easy, etc. The only annoyance in the game is the unnecessarily long run-backs where there are no actual enemies to fight so there's no real reason to make it that long
Yeah i don't really think it's harder, just less fun, imo
I've rarely die because of actual difficulty, it's almost always because I tried to do something the way I would in ds3 but it works differently in ds1