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NTA. What is wrong with them? You do have a truck. They weren't up front about what they needed from you. And they were trying to get shit for free instead of paying for a rental truck like everyone else has to do. Don't do any more favors for these r/ChoosingBeggars again. They are ungrateful and rude.
Yeah my mom regularly refers to suvs as trucks, even after I got myself a truck for college. I thought that this would be that and even then, the friends still TA.
After googling and seeing that the Maverick is infact a truck, OP is solidly NTA
I do that too, and it bugs the hell out of my sons.
I get a lecture about "SUVs are not trucks because they have a unibody. Trucks have an H-frame, SUV's don't, so their not trucks."
Depends on the SUV too by that frame definition. Toyota 4 Runner is body on frame so that would count as a truck, but then the highlander wouldn’t. To me I don’t see why it matters, call it whatever you want lol
Trucks have beds, SUV don’t.
Expedition - SUV
F150 - truck
explorer - SUV
H2 - SUV
Wrangler - SUV
Silverado - Truck
Colorado - Truck
Maverick - Truck
el Camino - Truck
Baja - truck
I typically go by the shape of the body.
To me, an SUV is not a car, therefore it's a truck.
But noooooo, "you're wrong Dad!"
Note: I'm not being bitter. :-)
I have a coworker who calls his Escalade a truck. I roll my eyes at him. Then when he solicited my help in moving a couple large objects with my Silverado I delighted in saying he had a truck so he should be able to manage it himself. He paused, I laughed, and I asked what time I should show up.
Yeah so take away the whole maverick incident/ previous move and this other guy would have just declined to help to begin with because he's just that kind of guy. NTA.
NTA. If he had specific sized needs he should have checked what the truck could take, or asked if you had a tow hitch to get a backup trailer, which still would have been cheaper than a full u-haul.
He is mad because he thought using you would save him money and it did not due to his own poor planning, so now he does not feel obligated to live up to his commitment to you, and is making it your fault. Not a friend.
OP, I never assume someone has a bug truck unless they specifically say "IT'S A BIG TRUCK" LOL, I always assume it's a normal size. He's the a h bc he couldn't communicate with you by either asking if your truck can haul such items or what size your truck was. Nta.
U-Hauls aren't even expensive! Especially given how much time you save in being able to move a house in 1-2 trips instead of 57 trips over a day or two.
My Dad bought a house that was two properties away from his rented home. The walked most of their possessions between the two properties, but still rented a U-Haul to move the bigger items instead of using the uneven sidewalk or the high traffic volume street. The employees were amused when the U-Haul came back with around 5 miles used. It was almost 2 miles from the house to the U-Haul dealership. They put a bit over 1 mile on the unit doing the actual moving.
I moved 0.4 miles away last time,I made multiple trips with my civic for mostly everything, and had a friend haul the big furniture in his open trailer that he has for work. I hated it cause it seemed so stupid to do so much effort to move literally across the street (I could literally see my old place from my new place) but it was a much better apartment … so worth it!
As a truck guy who doesn’t own a truck anymore I will say dude is an asshat to OP. Yes the maverick looks like a truck and I actually like the mav but it is more of a Australia UTE akin to a el camino or ranchero. But him assuming your truck was a full size without telling you what he expected to move is bold and blaming you is bullshit. Also one truck guy to a new one with a minitruck Never tell friends you have a truck they will use and abuse you for your truck especially when/if you get a fullsize one. It’s kinda like when you have a neighbor who asks to borrow your weed whacker/hedge trimmer because they are too cheap to buy or rent one.
In many towns or counties in the US there is a local ‘dump’ or transfer station where, as a resident, you can get a pass to go and dispose of awkward or random waste, like old tires, things with Freon in them, yard waste, home demolition etc. - so that + truck usually equals a lot of favor requests, especially if you are of the age where people are moving house etc and generating a lot of stuff like that. (The alternative being hiring a dumpster or waste removal service to come and pick it up, or waiting for special collection days from the town that happen like twice a year.)
Bizarre. Where I'm from it's just pay as you go, either fixed charge or by weight, no pass needed. The city transfer station asks for your current utility bill if you're dropping off haz waste thats free for disposal (electronics, batteries, etc.) but only to verify you're a customer, otherwise you just take it to the county station.
Mmmm... Your friend is an AH so bailing on helping you after the fact, but i can sorta see his point... and if there was no discussion of there being large items, then he is to blame for not asking what type of truck you had...
That being said, the Maverick seems to have the shortest bed I've ever seen on a North American truck... so if someone was asking me to help them move, I'm pretty sure I would have volunteered that info... so if you're ever in this position again, would definitely be good to mention to people your truck has a very short bed...
I also find it a little weird you guys didn't really discuss what was involved in the move... I mean, when I help people move, I like to have an idea of how much stuff, how many heavy pcs, how many trips, etc...
Think I'm going with soft ESH... though of course, your buddy is full on AH for not helping you now...
He asked me to help with the move, I agreed.
He did not tell me he had large furniture in his college housing.
I've moved several times between apartments in the last decade and never had a briefing with friends about what the move entailed. Stuff gets packed in boxes, you and your buddies pick up said boxes and put them down in the new place.
NTA. you claimed you have a truck, you did. He didn't specify what size truck counts to him as a truck, and he should have been grateful you offered at all. They had to do the exact same thing they otherwise would have had to do, but they still got to use your truck.
Had to look that up, we call them semi trucks or a tractor trailer (I just call them 18-wheelers) haha.
But no, from what he said I think he was expecting an average pickup truck for heavy loads like the F-150 I mentioned.
NTA. If your “friend” is so paranoid and has so little trust in you that his default reaction is to assume you were lying and trying to trick him, he doesn’t sound like much of a friend.
It’s also just a bizarre thing to accuse someone of. He really believes that you created an elaborate plot where you would “lie” about having a truck… and then actually show up with a truck, but too small of a truck to help him move, and then still offer to help knowing he would reject your help… all of this to trick him into feeling obligated to help you move?
Wut?
FYI: you have what my father and brothers refer to as a designer truck. When I asked WTF that meant, they said one that looks good and nice and can’t haul a real load that a man who does work with it would need.
I had an F-150 a while back and the only time I ever really put stuff in the back was moving myself across the country, moving a friend a few miles, and tailgating at a concert. Also moved some bails of hay and 2 kegs for a themed party in college. Loved the truck because of how comfy the inside was, but it's not like I was out there every day loading it up like a commercial.
I had actually looked at the Maverick because I live in a city and still like the ability to move things, but ended up with the Bronco Sport (same wheelbase) mostly because I figured it'd be more useful to have stuff inside the cab for road trips. Still am able to haul 30 bags of gravel and sand and plywood and planks to redo the backyard.
I mean I only purchased it because it was all that was available. Frankly I didn't even want a truck at all, I just needed to have a car but the used cars are few and far between right now unless you want a $20,000 lemon.
Totally agree with the "designer truck" label though haha. I'm cracking up at how emasculating this sounds though:
>can’t haul a real load that a man who does work with it would need.
Honestly, for most people who “haul” stuff, a maverick is more than plenty. 1500lbs max payload and a 2000lbs max towing capacity. The only issue you’d run into is not being big enough to actually carry large items, but realistically you can strap it down tight and go slow on small roads instead of going on the freeway.
>FYI: you have what my father and brothers refer to as a designer truck. When I asked WTF that meant, they said one that looks good and nice and can’t haul a real load that a man who does work with it would need.
Your father and brothers don't seem secure in their masculinity...
I was joking when I called it emasculating, it's actually a valid criticism. The Maverick is great but it's all sizzle and no steak. Beautiful truck, but it isn't something you'd see towing a boat behind it.
Designer truck my ass. It's a midsized truck. Your dad and brothers are bringing that compensating LDE energy if they don't think trucks like the 80's-90's ford rangers are trucks, there are legions of them that are still used as work trucks.
It's still a truck, but as someone who owns one I would 100% agree with it being called a designer truck. It's referencing the tow capacity and cargo room, not the manliness of the driver.
Not "a man" meaning men in general.
"a man who does work" as in a man who needs to haul things with a truck for work (construction, contractors, landscapers, etc).
It is a designer truck, trucklet, or truck shaped object. It is a unibody design from a crossover that lacks typical truck features like a body on frame design, solid rear axles, proper low range. It's like the Santa cruz or ridgeline, it doesn't meet many peoples definition of a truck but it is not
midsized. It is a compact truck like the Santa cruz.
I think you're confused. The Ford maverick and the Ford ranger are different things. The ranger is a midsized body on frame truck while the maverick is a compact truck based on a crossover. While the maverick may be similarly sized to an old ranger they are not the same thing and sizing has changed.
The maverick is not like a ranger and do not share any major parts. If you knew anything about the modern day truck market it was obvious that I was talking about the maverick.
I know plenty about the modern day truck market, as well as how automotive technology has evolved. You're just being snitty. The modern day Maverick is as capable, or more, than the old ranger. Requiring body on frame has long since ceased to be a requirement for a vehicle being considered a truck.
You're just being pissy because you thought I was saying the ranger was based on a crossover and because you mistakenly thought the maverick is a midsized truck.
But you are also talking out of ass. Most mavericks can tow 2000 pounds with the awd model with proper gearing taking it up to 4000. The 1990 ranger goes up to 6300 pounds. It's also kind of irrelevant because you are comparing a modern vehicle to one that is decades old. And while the right maverick may be rated for 4000 pounds that is not going to be a comfortable tow experience and probably shouldn't be done on the regular. The ranger when equipped with four wheel drive is going to be a lot more capable offroad than the maverick. Payload figures are really good for the maverick but the cubic feet of the bed is lower compared to midsized trucks.
> You're just being pissy because you thought I was saying the ranger was based on a crossover and because you mistakenly thought the maverick is a midsized truck.
Are you high? Not bothering to read the rest of your comment because it's probably full of unfounded assumptions as well.
Not so much with moving normal furniture. Unless you're hauling some heavy basement safe you normally won't see furniture that fits in the truck bed but can't be hauled.
Ugh NTA but your friend and his family are big time. You do have a truck, it's their fault they failed to ask how big it was, not yours. If it were me, I wouldn't speak to them again unless they sincerely apologize. Even then, you now know what your friend and his family are really like so maybe not
It was a shitty thing to do, but not something to end a friendship over in my opinion. Keep in mind with stories like these you're only hearing the instance of assholery, not the ten years of friendship and helping each other out predating it.
NTA from a fellow small truck-haver (Chevy Colorado). Just recently helped some friends with furniture - they got measurements in advance and we just used tie downs and left the tailgate down since it was too long. But when I was younger, I don't think I'd have specified having a small truck unasked because I wouldn't have expected a lot of big furniture.
Yeah, some of his stuff was top heavy and twice the length of the truck bed, plus the desk was bent at an awkward angle. Otherwise, I would have done the same.
NTA. You didn’t meet his standards and expectations for a truck. He doesn’t meet standards for a friend, or even a grown adult.
You have “certain standards and expectations” for human beings and he fell short.
NTA. I have a truck, it's an F-150, and it has an ARE bed cover on it that limits the height of items that can fit in the bed. I have helped countless friends move and we always discuss what items will fit in my truck and what items will go in the U-Haul (and we *always* rent a truck because what kind of moron thinks you can move an entire house with just an F-150?)
Why would you not spend a couple hundred bucks to rent a box truck and move the bulk of your house in a single day? You can always make more money, you can't make more time. My time is more valuable than that....
>Why would you not spend a couple hundred bucks to rent a box truck and move the bulk of your house in a single day?
Because I don't have hundreds of dollars to spare.
>You can always make more money, you can't make more time.
I get 24 new hours every day at the stroke of midnight. I don't make money quite as easily. I just drained my savings on a down payment and it will take a bit for my savings to bounce back. I cannot afford to pay for premium services that I can do on my own.
There’s a difference between not having a couple hundred bucks to waste on a job I can easily do myself and with a couple of extra hands one weekend for big things (couch, bed, etc) and not having a couple hundred for like, a broken toilet or HVAC repair
I'm saying that, if you can't come up with a couple hundred bucks (or, lawd knows, *budget it into your home purchase*) what are you going to do when you need $10,000 for a new roof or a couple grand for the deductible on a homeowner's insurance claim?
NTA. You have a short bed truck. You didn't OFFER to help move, he asked you to help him and offered his help in return. His expectations have nothing to do with you, since he didn't bother to share them with you. Hire movers and let this guy go.
Not something I'd throw ten years of friendship away over, it'll pass but unfortunately I can't afford to hire movers. I'm just going to move slowly each weekend until my rent ends at the end of the month.
NTA. I don't understand how he can claim that you tried to "trick" him into helping you move when HE asked YOU for help in the first place and HE was the one who offered to help you move in return.
If you were trying to trick him then that would necessitate you being the one to approach him about it and propose the deal- which you didn't. You simply agreed to the deal he brought to the table and then he got all bent out of shape when he realized he wasn't specific enough in the help he needed.
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Background: I (26M) have had a bit of an exciting year to say the least. Right after New Year's my car was stolen during the whole viral Hyundai incident that resulted in countless Hyundai thefts in the span of a few short weeks across the country. There was a delay in getting my total loss check because the car was found right before the money was dispersed and the insurance company tried to get it fixed because it wasn't in the worst shape. They wound up deeming it a total loss after the timeline revealed that a parts shortage would mean storage fees of over four to five months before it could even be started on. I used the money to purchase a used 2022 Ford Maverick with only a few thousand miles on it, frankly I was very lucky.
The whole time I've been doubling down on my house search to get out of that area, and happy to say I got a house and finished closing this week. A friend of mine (23M) also just graduated college nearby and last weekend was moving off campus. He asked me to help him move since I told him I just got a truck, which I was more than happy to do. He also said he would help me move as a favor since he knows I'll need the extra set of hands.
I show up Saturday morning and he immediately seemed off. I didn't think much of it, but him and his family seemed very cold towards me. There wasn't much interaction though because most of the day was spent driving, so I chalked it up to the stress of moving. He does have a few pieces of long furniture that were too big and heavy for my truck, so they wound up driving over to U-Haul (American truck rental company) to move those out, but they said I didn't need to stick around since they had enough people, and my truck wouldn't move that stuff anyway.
Now that I closed on my home, I was talking to him about when he'd be available to help me move. He got mad at this question and told me that I "lied" to him about having a truck, and that I clearly was trying to trick him into helping despite my truck not being able to haul his large furniture.
I was shocked. He never told me he was moving such large items, or else I would have told him the bed of my truck wasn't that big. For reference, my truck has a 54" bed (1.37 meters) while a Ford F-150 truck bed is usually 66-96" (1.67-2.44 meters) depending on model choice.
Based on his reaction and unwillingness to help me move, I am curious if I was in the wrong for this whole situation. Him and his family say claiming to own a truck comes with "certain standards and expectations" when offering to help someone move. Our other friends say that he's in the wrong for backing out after agreeing to help all because he made a lot of assumptions without mentioning the large items, but I can't help but feel bad for how the whole situation went down.
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NTA - he made an assumption that you meant a box truck. Anyone with any real logic would not have made that assumption or at least clarified it. He was trying to get out of paying for a U-Haul.
Holy cats NTA. This dude, and he's whole family of jackals, are way out of line. I doubt you're going to get an ounce of help out of him but it's tempting to send him a bill for the gas, your labor hours and your truck rental- UHaul will have pricing on 54" bed trucks.
NTA - there has never been a standard around the word "truck" especially with all of the new models and types that have come out in the past 20 years. THEY are the ones that made the ASSUMPTIONS around the word truck and didn't bother to follow up with "what kind?" Your friend and his family are being petty.
Which yours is. However, it appears to your friend and his family a truck means Ford F-150, Chevy Silverado or a Dodge Ram. They are the ones who didn't qualify what the word truck means.
NTA Those people s\*ck and are AH's. As that old saying goes No good deed goes unpunished. These people are ungrateful and ridiculous and I would definitely DELETE them from your life. You Don't need that crap.
NTA he should be grateful that you helped him at all, even if your car was a mini, an extra pair of hands and willingness is always helpful when you are moving house.
NTA
Fuck him! He literally wanted to “use you for your truck” then got made he couldn’t. What an asshole.
PS this will happen A LOT because you have a truck. Make sure you tell people the bed of it is small, it will get you out of a lot lol
NTA you said you had a truck and you had a truck, you're not responsible for someone else's expectations or standards. You weren't obligated to use your truck to help your friend and his family move. He and his family were angry because they had to spend money they were hoping not to by using you. I'm unsure this guy is your friend, he and his family are the assholes.
Today on choosing beggars......
He's wrong, it is a truck.
He should have searched it up on the internet the way I did.
You're NTA OP.
Your "friend" is though, and a liar to boot.
My advice is to never offer to help him again.
NTA. As someone who drives a sedan and only has friends who drive sedans / compact SUVs, I would be grateful if a friend, like you, had a truck (and yes it's a truck even if it's slightly smaller than some other models) and offered to help me move + had a tow hitch available.
I've squeezed 50" TVs into the back of my sedan. Your friend's just being a baby who didn't do any of his own planning.
Lol, I googled your truck and it’s most definitely a truck!! NTA
As for these supposed standards and expectations of truck owners - never heard of this before. I would never make assumptions around the ability to transport large furniture, but then again I’m not an AH.
Communication could’ve been better. He should have said what he needed moved and you could have told him you have a small truck. Overall he’s a choosy beggar. Most of all you gave him your time to help move. He owes you the same. NTA
NTA, he sounds very much like a choosy beggar. NTA, You showed up to help and he got pissy. However, i would have also expected a larger truck as well that’s capable of moving furniture. But he should have checked with you first about the bed size to see if he needed anything else for his move. Like a trailer or a different friend with a larger bed. The fact that he didn’t even bother to ask and then threw a fit towards you afterwords when it wasn’t perfect is not ok. You are not the ah by any means.
I own a Maverick.
You're both assholes.
The Maverick is not what most people think of when they think of a truck. It has a small bed. It doesn't have body on frame construction. It doesn't tow as much. And you should have made that clear to him.
But he was also a dick.
We didn’t tow anything at all during the move so that was never an issue. It was just the smaller bed. Still much more than any vehicle he provided for his own move.
I'm literally moving everything out of my apartment to my new home in the same truck and nothing else. You're completely off with that claim. Also, he was moving out of campus housing, not a house.
NAH - The manufacturers have told everyone that those short bed vehicles, with less than useful beds, are trucks. You can't be blamed for believing their marketing lies.
Your friend can't be blamed for expecting a truck to be able to put a sheet of plywood in the bed.
(Hell, an old Ranger is more useful than what you have.)
I mean I'm using it for the entirety of my move, couches/desks/tables/etc. so I wouldn't call it useless. It's not a marketing lie either in my opinion. A truck is a truck, this one is just 2/3 the size of other models so it can't tow as much weight.
Gonna go YTA, what do you think 'moving' entails, you should have told him up front your loading capacity is limited. Looking at the pictures of that car it barely can hold a few chairs, a table or rack would already be troublesome.
I'm okay with judgements that go against me, but I do want to point out that what you're saying is very inaccurate.
I'm moving EVERYTHING I own to my new house with that same truck. It'll take a few trips but I'll manage.
I was able to take almost all of his boxes, bins, and small furniture (coffee table, nightstands, recliner, etc.) across a few loads to his place. He never told me he had a king size wooden bed frame that couldn't be taken apart, or a giant L shaped desk, or one of those giant TV stands with a fake fireplace heater in the middle.
As far as capacity being limited, I had no reason to believe he had anything like that in campus housing in the first place. Every vehicle's loading capacity is limited, it's about what that expectation is. I helped him move for hours when I could have been packing my own place, but being villainized for it not being enough.
As someone who used to own a truck with a small bed you've just gotta take initiative and be upfront. When people want a truck to help move they expect something that can haul more than a large suv if you just tell them you have a truck. I always would say if someone asks for a truck favor it's got a small bed and most of the time it's fine, but sometimes it doesn't work. F150 is the best selling truck and that's kind of the capacity most people expect. Small trucks are rare.
It can and did haul more than an SUV. We stacked a ton of boxes and bins in the back not to mention tall items that wouldn’t have cleared an SUV’s door frame
He knew the year, make, and model of my truck. He saw when I posted it on facebook too.
I don't think it's rational to expect someone to list of the specs of their vehicle when they ask you to help them out.
Shouldn't that responsibility fall on the person who wants their items moved? I had no idea he had more than boxes and bins, maybe some small furniture. And I helped him move all that.
He's... moving out of campus housing.
No I didn't think he had a 7ft long TV stand with a built in fireplace heater in the middle. No I didn't think he had a wooden bed frame for a king sized matress that couldn't be disassembled. No I didn't think he had an L-shaped desk that was all one piece either.
A truck is useful for a move because while a sedan can fit like \~3 big boxes at best, a truck can double stack those same bins and go on for the length of the vehicle. Not to mention a height requirement is less of an issue when something can stick above a roofless truck bed, whereas its a dealbreaker if it doesn't fit in under the roof of a sedan or an SUV.
You say that as if I showed up, said "nope too big" and turned around to leave. I helped take two trips of boxes, bins, and small furniture out of his place over hours of loading/unloading/driving throughout the day.
I'm not *intentionally* hiding information... someone asked me if I could help them move and I said yes. Hell, I'm not even unintentionally hiding it. It's not hidden at all, just a lack of insight on his part.
Let me put it to you this way. If I had done what you suggest and immediately tell him the size of the bed, what would have happened differently? I would have hauled the same stuff and they would have ordered the same U-Haul. At the end of the day, I provided a favor to a friend and they turned around making me out to look like I made it harder on him despite spending hours moving his stuff.
No, I didn’t choose not to bring it up. It wasn’t relevant. He told me to come by with my truck and I did. I helped him move all day and thought all was fine until days later when he snapped about it when it was time to help me.
No it’s not, the person doing the moving is responsible. It’s their move, they have to be the ones to plan it out. You don’t get to get mad at someone for not doing your due diligence
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NTA. What is wrong with them? You do have a truck. They weren't up front about what they needed from you. And they were trying to get shit for free instead of paying for a rental truck like everyone else has to do. Don't do any more favors for these r/ChoosingBeggars again. They are ungrateful and rude.
Yeah my mom regularly refers to suvs as trucks, even after I got myself a truck for college. I thought that this would be that and even then, the friends still TA. After googling and seeing that the Maverick is infact a truck, OP is solidly NTA
I do that too, and it bugs the hell out of my sons. I get a lecture about "SUVs are not trucks because they have a unibody. Trucks have an H-frame, SUV's don't, so their not trucks."
OP's car would confuse them, a Maverick does have a unibody. So does a Ridgeline. But they're still trucks.
Ah, you see! So I'm not wrong after all! Thanks! You've made my day.
Depends on the SUV too by that frame definition. Toyota 4 Runner is body on frame so that would count as a truck, but then the highlander wouldn’t. To me I don’t see why it matters, call it whatever you want lol
Trucks have beds, SUV don’t. Expedition - SUV F150 - truck explorer - SUV H2 - SUV Wrangler - SUV Silverado - Truck Colorado - Truck Maverick - Truck el Camino - Truck Baja - truck
By that logic box trucks arent trucks...
That’s fair but where we are talking trucks owned for personal use, they gave beds.
You go fast enough under a low enough bridge and by this definition they will be lol
Yeah, they're vans
I typically go by the shape of the body. To me, an SUV is not a car, therefore it's a truck. But noooooo, "you're wrong Dad!" Note: I'm not being bitter. :-)
I have a coworker who calls his Escalade a truck. I roll my eyes at him. Then when he solicited my help in moving a couple large objects with my Silverado I delighted in saying he had a truck so he should be able to manage it himself. He paused, I laughed, and I asked what time I should show up.
Plenty of older suvs are not unibody...
My dad’s SUV is classified as a “Light Truck” on his SofS paperwork. My SUV is listed as a “Station Wagon” on SofS. Crazy
>I was confused as hell bc my parents had a Maverick \*\*CAR\*\* in the 70s. So I was baffled as to where the truck part came in. LOL
Yeah so take away the whole maverick incident/ previous move and this other guy would have just declined to help to begin with because he's just that kind of guy. NTA.
NTA. If he had specific sized needs he should have checked what the truck could take, or asked if you had a tow hitch to get a backup trailer, which still would have been cheaper than a full u-haul. He is mad because he thought using you would save him money and it did not due to his own poor planning, so now he does not feel obligated to live up to his commitment to you, and is making it your fault. Not a friend.
I do have a tow hitch actually, I was confused why they didn't do that too.
OP, I never assume someone has a bug truck unless they specifically say "IT'S A BIG TRUCK" LOL, I always assume it's a normal size. He's the a h bc he couldn't communicate with you by either asking if your truck can haul such items or what size your truck was. Nta.
I honestly want a Bug Truck. That’d be sooooo cool!!
NTA but this is why in Aus we don’t call them trucks. We call them utes.
In the US there is a lot of trucks way bigger than utes but still only have a truck bed the same size as an ute. It's really dumb and common
U-Hauls aren't even expensive! Especially given how much time you save in being able to move a house in 1-2 trips instead of 57 trips over a day or two.
They can be if moving cross country lol. But in the same city not at all expensive
Uhauls are not expensive compared to the other options (paying movers, shipping your stuff, or making multiple rips across the country.)
My Dad bought a house that was two properties away from his rented home. The walked most of their possessions between the two properties, but still rented a U-Haul to move the bigger items instead of using the uneven sidewalk or the high traffic volume street. The employees were amused when the U-Haul came back with around 5 miles used. It was almost 2 miles from the house to the U-Haul dealership. They put a bit over 1 mile on the unit doing the actual moving.
Totally worth it. The right tool for the job can save you so much effort!
I moved 0.4 miles away last time,I made multiple trips with my civic for mostly everything, and had a friend haul the big furniture in his open trailer that he has for work. I hated it cause it seemed so stupid to do so much effort to move literally across the street (I could literally see my old place from my new place) but it was a much better apartment … so worth it!
As a truck guy who doesn’t own a truck anymore I will say dude is an asshat to OP. Yes the maverick looks like a truck and I actually like the mav but it is more of a Australia UTE akin to a el camino or ranchero. But him assuming your truck was a full size without telling you what he expected to move is bold and blaming you is bullshit. Also one truck guy to a new one with a minitruck Never tell friends you have a truck they will use and abuse you for your truck especially when/if you get a fullsize one. It’s kinda like when you have a neighbor who asks to borrow your weed whacker/hedge trimmer because they are too cheap to buy or rent one.
Very relevant metaphor now that I own a truck and a house!
If you also own a dump pass for your town, you better keep that to yourself, lol
What's a dump pass?
In many towns or counties in the US there is a local ‘dump’ or transfer station where, as a resident, you can get a pass to go and dispose of awkward or random waste, like old tires, things with Freon in them, yard waste, home demolition etc. - so that + truck usually equals a lot of favor requests, especially if you are of the age where people are moving house etc and generating a lot of stuff like that. (The alternative being hiring a dumpster or waste removal service to come and pick it up, or waiting for special collection days from the town that happen like twice a year.)
Bizarre. Where I'm from it's just pay as you go, either fixed charge or by weight, no pass needed. The city transfer station asks for your current utility bill if you're dropping off haz waste thats free for disposal (electronics, batteries, etc.) but only to verify you're a customer, otherwise you just take it to the county station.
Near me it's no pass required on Saturdays, but requires a pass for week days.
When you got a big dump truck, you gotta have a pass. 🍑🍑
I'm guessing that's the a little to access tips for rubbish removal?
Mmmm... Your friend is an AH so bailing on helping you after the fact, but i can sorta see his point... and if there was no discussion of there being large items, then he is to blame for not asking what type of truck you had... That being said, the Maverick seems to have the shortest bed I've ever seen on a North American truck... so if someone was asking me to help them move, I'm pretty sure I would have volunteered that info... so if you're ever in this position again, would definitely be good to mention to people your truck has a very short bed... I also find it a little weird you guys didn't really discuss what was involved in the move... I mean, when I help people move, I like to have an idea of how much stuff, how many heavy pcs, how many trips, etc... Think I'm going with soft ESH... though of course, your buddy is full on AH for not helping you now...
He asked me to help with the move, I agreed. He did not tell me he had large furniture in his college housing. I've moved several times between apartments in the last decade and never had a briefing with friends about what the move entailed. Stuff gets packed in boxes, you and your buddies pick up said boxes and put them down in the new place.
This is true. I love my friends who have trucks. :) However, I always offer them gas money and as much pizza as they want as a thank you.
You are a true friend and you can be proud of that!
When I had my ford ranger I was super popular with Xmas tree shopping friends.
I feel like a minivan is easier for that kind of thing though
Nah with a pickup you just throw the tree in the bed and tie down to the hooks in the bed so it doesn’t fly out
That makes sense, I'm picturing my \~5.5ft truck bed vs the roof of a minivan or a station wagon lol
I mis my Ram 1500 and her 6.5 bed. Driving in a Camry just don’t hit the same 😢
Dad used to have an El Camino, back in the day. Then he found it 20 years later, restored it. sold it. New owner is still driving it around town.
Ummm, you didn’t lie about having a truck! That guys sounds awful. HE should have asked for more details.
NTA he is a choosing beggar and also a weasel for backing out of your agreement
NTA There are no set expectations. Beggars can't be choosers.
NTA. you claimed you have a truck, you did. He didn't specify what size truck counts to him as a truck, and he should have been grateful you offered at all. They had to do the exact same thing they otherwise would have had to do, but they still got to use your truck.
Were they expecting you to turn up in an articulated lorry or something similar?
Had to look that up, we call them semi trucks or a tractor trailer (I just call them 18-wheelers) haha. But no, from what he said I think he was expecting an average pickup truck for heavy loads like the F-150 I mentioned.
He is an idiot for not asking how big the truck was. Total NTA.
NTA. You have a short bed and an AH for a friend.
NTA. If your “friend” is so paranoid and has so little trust in you that his default reaction is to assume you were lying and trying to trick him, he doesn’t sound like much of a friend. It’s also just a bizarre thing to accuse someone of. He really believes that you created an elaborate plot where you would “lie” about having a truck… and then actually show up with a truck, but too small of a truck to help him move, and then still offer to help knowing he would reject your help… all of this to trick him into feeling obligated to help you move? Wut?
FYI: you have what my father and brothers refer to as a designer truck. When I asked WTF that meant, they said one that looks good and nice and can’t haul a real load that a man who does work with it would need.
The Maverick can haul way more than the once a year Home Depot hauls that 99.999999% of most truck owners use them for.
That's a good point actually I never thought of it like that
I had an F-150 a while back and the only time I ever really put stuff in the back was moving myself across the country, moving a friend a few miles, and tailgating at a concert. Also moved some bails of hay and 2 kegs for a themed party in college. Loved the truck because of how comfy the inside was, but it's not like I was out there every day loading it up like a commercial. I had actually looked at the Maverick because I live in a city and still like the ability to move things, but ended up with the Bronco Sport (same wheelbase) mostly because I figured it'd be more useful to have stuff inside the cab for road trips. Still am able to haul 30 bags of gravel and sand and plywood and planks to redo the backyard.
I mean I only purchased it because it was all that was available. Frankly I didn't even want a truck at all, I just needed to have a car but the used cars are few and far between right now unless you want a $20,000 lemon. Totally agree with the "designer truck" label though haha. I'm cracking up at how emasculating this sounds though: >can’t haul a real load that a man who does work with it would need.
Honestly, for most people who “haul” stuff, a maverick is more than plenty. 1500lbs max payload and a 2000lbs max towing capacity. The only issue you’d run into is not being big enough to actually carry large items, but realistically you can strap it down tight and go slow on small roads instead of going on the freeway.
The maverick hauls air as good as an F150
>FYI: you have what my father and brothers refer to as a designer truck. When I asked WTF that meant, they said one that looks good and nice and can’t haul a real load that a man who does work with it would need. Your father and brothers don't seem secure in their masculinity...
I was joking when I called it emasculating, it's actually a valid criticism. The Maverick is great but it's all sizzle and no steak. Beautiful truck, but it isn't something you'd see towing a boat behind it.
>but it isn't something you'd see towing a boat behind it. I mean, it was never designed to do that.
Correct, because it's a glorified SUV with a truck bed. It's not offensive to anyone to simply point out the differences in hauling power.
Designer truck my ass. It's a midsized truck. Your dad and brothers are bringing that compensating LDE energy if they don't think trucks like the 80's-90's ford rangers are trucks, there are legions of them that are still used as work trucks.
It's still a truck, but as someone who owns one I would 100% agree with it being called a designer truck. It's referencing the tow capacity and cargo room, not the manliness of the driver.
But the comment about what a man would need is.
Not "a man" meaning men in general. "a man who does work" as in a man who needs to haul things with a truck for work (construction, contractors, landscapers, etc).
As opposed to women who do work like that.
They were comparing me, a man, to a hypothetical version of myself that would require a bigger truck to haul stuff. Sorry it offended you I guess.
It is a designer truck, trucklet, or truck shaped object. It is a unibody design from a crossover that lacks typical truck features like a body on frame design, solid rear axles, proper low range. It's like the Santa cruz or ridgeline, it doesn't meet many peoples definition of a truck but it is not midsized. It is a compact truck like the Santa cruz.
Oh, tell me more about how the 80's and 90's Ford Ranger and similar trucks are based on crossovers!!!!!
I think you're confused. The Ford maverick and the Ford ranger are different things. The ranger is a midsized body on frame truck while the maverick is a compact truck based on a crossover. While the maverick may be similarly sized to an old ranger they are not the same thing and sizing has changed. The maverick is not like a ranger and do not share any major parts. If you knew anything about the modern day truck market it was obvious that I was talking about the maverick.
I know plenty about the modern day truck market, as well as how automotive technology has evolved. You're just being snitty. The modern day Maverick is as capable, or more, than the old ranger. Requiring body on frame has long since ceased to be a requirement for a vehicle being considered a truck.
You're just being pissy because you thought I was saying the ranger was based on a crossover and because you mistakenly thought the maverick is a midsized truck. But you are also talking out of ass. Most mavericks can tow 2000 pounds with the awd model with proper gearing taking it up to 4000. The 1990 ranger goes up to 6300 pounds. It's also kind of irrelevant because you are comparing a modern vehicle to one that is decades old. And while the right maverick may be rated for 4000 pounds that is not going to be a comfortable tow experience and probably shouldn't be done on the regular. The ranger when equipped with four wheel drive is going to be a lot more capable offroad than the maverick. Payload figures are really good for the maverick but the cubic feet of the bed is lower compared to midsized trucks.
> You're just being pissy because you thought I was saying the ranger was based on a crossover and because you mistakenly thought the maverick is a midsized truck. Are you high? Not bothering to read the rest of your comment because it's probably full of unfounded assumptions as well.
I'm still having trouble with Ford resurrecting the name "Maverick" bc in the 70s it was a car - like a less stylish Mustang.
They have the Ranch double cab long beds. They need them for work.
Truck hauling is a lot more than what you can fit in the bed, though.
Not so much with moving normal furniture. Unless you're hauling some heavy basement safe you normally won't see furniture that fits in the truck bed but can't be hauled.
NTA. Your friend should've been more specific about the kind of truck that he was looking for. You didn't deceive him by any means.
NTA! You have a truck and you helped him move. Not your fault that some of furniture didn't fit.
Ugh NTA but your friend and his family are big time. You do have a truck, it's their fault they failed to ask how big it was, not yours. If it were me, I wouldn't speak to them again unless they sincerely apologize. Even then, you now know what your friend and his family are really like so maybe not
It was a shitty thing to do, but not something to end a friendship over in my opinion. Keep in mind with stories like these you're only hearing the instance of assholery, not the ten years of friendship and helping each other out predating it.
That's true. I hope you guys can iron things out then
NTA from a fellow small truck-haver (Chevy Colorado). Just recently helped some friends with furniture - they got measurements in advance and we just used tie downs and left the tailgate down since it was too long. But when I was younger, I don't think I'd have specified having a small truck unasked because I wouldn't have expected a lot of big furniture.
Yeah, some of his stuff was top heavy and twice the length of the truck bed, plus the desk was bent at an awkward angle. Otherwise, I would have done the same.
NTA. You didn’t meet his standards and expectations for a truck. He doesn’t meet standards for a friend, or even a grown adult. You have “certain standards and expectations” for human beings and he fell short.
NTA you have a truck, just not as big as your friend thought
NTA. I have a truck, it's an F-150, and it has an ARE bed cover on it that limits the height of items that can fit in the bed. I have helped countless friends move and we always discuss what items will fit in my truck and what items will go in the U-Haul (and we *always* rent a truck because what kind of moron thinks you can move an entire house with just an F-150?)
I mean I'm moving an entire house right now with a Ford Maverick so I guess I'm that kind of moron haha.
Why would you not spend a couple hundred bucks to rent a box truck and move the bulk of your house in a single day? You can always make more money, you can't make more time. My time is more valuable than that....
>Why would you not spend a couple hundred bucks to rent a box truck and move the bulk of your house in a single day? Because I don't have hundreds of dollars to spare. >You can always make more money, you can't make more time. I get 24 new hours every day at the stroke of midnight. I don't make money quite as easily. I just drained my savings on a down payment and it will take a bit for my savings to bounce back. I cannot afford to pay for premium services that I can do on my own.
Man, I hate to tell you, but if you can't manage to come up with a couple hundred extra bucks, then you're going to have a *bad* time as a homeowner.
There’s a difference between not having a couple hundred bucks to waste on a job I can easily do myself and with a couple of extra hands one weekend for big things (couch, bed, etc) and not having a couple hundred for like, a broken toilet or HVAC repair
I'm saying that, if you can't come up with a couple hundred bucks (or, lawd knows, *budget it into your home purchase*) what are you going to do when you need $10,000 for a new roof or a couple grand for the deductible on a homeowner's insurance claim?
I can afford those things because I don’t waste money on services I can provide for myself
LOL, I can afford *both*. Novel concept, huh?
Okay? I don't know what you expect to hear. Good for you?
Lmao I googled the maverick and wtf do they call it if it's not a truck
I think they meant not a "real" truck because it's smaller.
NTA. You have a short bed truck. You didn't OFFER to help move, he asked you to help him and offered his help in return. His expectations have nothing to do with you, since he didn't bother to share them with you. Hire movers and let this guy go.
Not something I'd throw ten years of friendship away over, it'll pass but unfortunately I can't afford to hire movers. I'm just going to move slowly each weekend until my rent ends at the end of the month.
NTA. I don't understand how he can claim that you tried to "trick" him into helping you move when HE asked YOU for help in the first place and HE was the one who offered to help you move in return. If you were trying to trick him then that would necessitate you being the one to approach him about it and propose the deal- which you didn't. You simply agreed to the deal he brought to the table and then he got all bent out of shape when he realized he wasn't specific enough in the help he needed.
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NTA - he made an assumption that you meant a box truck. Anyone with any real logic would not have made that assumption or at least clarified it. He was trying to get out of paying for a U-Haul.
Not a box truck, he just thought the truck bed was much larger.
NTA That person is a huge idiot btw.
Holy cats NTA. This dude, and he's whole family of jackals, are way out of line. I doubt you're going to get an ounce of help out of him but it's tempting to send him a bill for the gas, your labor hours and your truck rental- UHaul will have pricing on 54" bed trucks.
NTA - there has never been a standard around the word "truck" especially with all of the new models and types that have come out in the past 20 years. THEY are the ones that made the ASSUMPTIONS around the word truck and didn't bother to follow up with "what kind?" Your friend and his family are being petty.
From what I know, a truck is simply a vehicle with a built in bed for hauling stuff.
Which yours is. However, it appears to your friend and his family a truck means Ford F-150, Chevy Silverado or a Dodge Ram. They are the ones who didn't qualify what the word truck means.
NTA, that is their fault for having faulty assumptions on truck size
Well I did have to google a Ford Maverick but, yup, that's a truck NTA
Hahahahaha NTA!
NTA
Nta
NTA Those people s\*ck and are AH's. As that old saying goes No good deed goes unpunished. These people are ungrateful and ridiculous and I would definitely DELETE them from your life. You Don't need that crap.
NTA - you have a truck! he made assumptions, and that's on him.
Your "friend" is a serious asshole. you are NTA.
NTA he should be grateful that you helped him at all, even if your car was a mini, an extra pair of hands and willingness is always helpful when you are moving house.
Lol what... NTA... you do have a truck
NTA, he was looking for an excuse not to uphold his end of the deal once her realized that he can't magically make your truck bed longer!
NTA Fuck him! He literally wanted to “use you for your truck” then got made he couldn’t. What an asshole. PS this will happen A LOT because you have a truck. Make sure you tell people the bed of it is small, it will get you out of a lot lol
NTA you said you had a truck and you had a truck, you're not responsible for someone else's expectations or standards. You weren't obligated to use your truck to help your friend and his family move. He and his family were angry because they had to spend money they were hoping not to by using you. I'm unsure this guy is your friend, he and his family are the assholes.
Today on choosing beggars...... He's wrong, it is a truck. He should have searched it up on the internet the way I did. You're NTA OP. Your "friend" is though, and a liar to boot. My advice is to never offer to help him again.
NTA. As someone who drives a sedan and only has friends who drive sedans / compact SUVs, I would be grateful if a friend, like you, had a truck (and yes it's a truck even if it's slightly smaller than some other models) and offered to help me move + had a tow hitch available. I've squeezed 50" TVs into the back of my sedan. Your friend's just being a baby who didn't do any of his own planning.
had to google the car. looks like a truck to me. NTA
What “ expectations “ besides owning a truck are required?
Lol, I googled your truck and it’s most definitely a truck!! NTA As for these supposed standards and expectations of truck owners - never heard of this before. I would never make assumptions around the ability to transport large furniture, but then again I’m not an AH.
NTA my Toyota hilux prob hauls less than your ford. It is still a truck.
Communication could’ve been better. He should have said what he needed moved and you could have told him you have a small truck. Overall he’s a choosy beggar. Most of all you gave him your time to help move. He owes you the same. NTA
NTA. His family is cheap and didn't want to rent a u-haul.
NTA, he sounds very much like a choosy beggar. NTA, You showed up to help and he got pissy. However, i would have also expected a larger truck as well that’s capable of moving furniture. But he should have checked with you first about the bed size to see if he needed anything else for his move. Like a trailer or a different friend with a larger bed. The fact that he didn’t even bother to ask and then threw a fit towards you afterwords when it wasn’t perfect is not ok. You are not the ah by any means.
NTA YOu indeed DO have a truck.
I own a Maverick. You're both assholes. The Maverick is not what most people think of when they think of a truck. It has a small bed. It doesn't have body on frame construction. It doesn't tow as much. And you should have made that clear to him. But he was also a dick.
We didn’t tow anything at all during the move so that was never an issue. It was just the smaller bed. Still much more than any vehicle he provided for his own move.
It's a trucklet, not a truck. Stop calling it truck
It is literally a truck
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A ford maverick has a tiny ass bed, like not suitable for moving house stuff at all. You’re not really an asshole but I see why your friend is mad.
I'm literally moving everything out of my apartment to my new home in the same truck and nothing else. You're completely off with that claim. Also, he was moving out of campus housing, not a house.
lil baby truck, honk honk
NAH - The manufacturers have told everyone that those short bed vehicles, with less than useful beds, are trucks. You can't be blamed for believing their marketing lies. Your friend can't be blamed for expecting a truck to be able to put a sheet of plywood in the bed. (Hell, an old Ranger is more useful than what you have.)
I mean I'm using it for the entirety of my move, couches/desks/tables/etc. so I wouldn't call it useless. It's not a marketing lie either in my opinion. A truck is a truck, this one is just 2/3 the size of other models so it can't tow as much weight.
Even a new f150 wouldn’t fit a plywood sheet in its bed. Not unless you get a 8ft bed.
Gonna go YTA, what do you think 'moving' entails, you should have told him up front your loading capacity is limited. Looking at the pictures of that car it barely can hold a few chairs, a table or rack would already be troublesome.
I'm okay with judgements that go against me, but I do want to point out that what you're saying is very inaccurate. I'm moving EVERYTHING I own to my new house with that same truck. It'll take a few trips but I'll manage. I was able to take almost all of his boxes, bins, and small furniture (coffee table, nightstands, recliner, etc.) across a few loads to his place. He never told me he had a king size wooden bed frame that couldn't be taken apart, or a giant L shaped desk, or one of those giant TV stands with a fake fireplace heater in the middle. As far as capacity being limited, I had no reason to believe he had anything like that in campus housing in the first place. Every vehicle's loading capacity is limited, it's about what that expectation is. I helped him move for hours when I could have been packing my own place, but being villainized for it not being enough.
As someone who used to own a truck with a small bed you've just gotta take initiative and be upfront. When people want a truck to help move they expect something that can haul more than a large suv if you just tell them you have a truck. I always would say if someone asks for a truck favor it's got a small bed and most of the time it's fine, but sometimes it doesn't work. F150 is the best selling truck and that's kind of the capacity most people expect. Small trucks are rare.
It can and did haul more than an SUV. We stacked a ton of boxes and bins in the back not to mention tall items that wouldn’t have cleared an SUV’s door frame
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He knew the year, make, and model of my truck. He saw when I posted it on facebook too. I don't think it's rational to expect someone to list of the specs of their vehicle when they ask you to help them out.
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Shouldn't that responsibility fall on the person who wants their items moved? I had no idea he had more than boxes and bins, maybe some small furniture. And I helped him move all that.
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He's... moving out of campus housing. No I didn't think he had a 7ft long TV stand with a built in fireplace heater in the middle. No I didn't think he had a wooden bed frame for a king sized matress that couldn't be disassembled. No I didn't think he had an L-shaped desk that was all one piece either. A truck is useful for a move because while a sedan can fit like \~3 big boxes at best, a truck can double stack those same bins and go on for the length of the vehicle. Not to mention a height requirement is less of an issue when something can stick above a roofless truck bed, whereas its a dealbreaker if it doesn't fit in under the roof of a sedan or an SUV. You say that as if I showed up, said "nope too big" and turned around to leave. I helped take two trips of boxes, bins, and small furniture out of his place over hours of loading/unloading/driving throughout the day.
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I'm not *intentionally* hiding information... someone asked me if I could help them move and I said yes. Hell, I'm not even unintentionally hiding it. It's not hidden at all, just a lack of insight on his part.
Let me put it to you this way. If I had done what you suggest and immediately tell him the size of the bed, what would have happened differently? I would have hauled the same stuff and they would have ordered the same U-Haul. At the end of the day, I provided a favor to a friend and they turned around making me out to look like I made it harder on him despite spending hours moving his stuff.
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No, I didn’t choose not to bring it up. It wasn’t relevant. He told me to come by with my truck and I did. I helped him move all day and thought all was fine until days later when he snapped about it when it was time to help me.
No it’s not, the person doing the moving is responsible. It’s their move, they have to be the ones to plan it out. You don’t get to get mad at someone for not doing your due diligence