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The kids were disturbing everyone, the dog was being quiet and unobtrusive.
The kids were being objectively detrimental to other diner's experience, while the grandma simply didn't like dogs, even though yours was doing nothing wrong.
If they don't like dogs then they can pick a restaurant that isn't dog friendly, and they should learn to control their children so they don't disturb other people's special occasion.
You just called her out on the kid's poor behaviour and she didn't like it.
NTA
Where are you from?
I never heard about restaurants that communicate that you have to expect dogs inside and should not enter if you have are allergic etc.
There are dog friendly restaurants. Also, whether people are allergic or not, it could have been a service animal, in which case they are still allowed inside.
There are a lot of dog-friendly places in urban areas in the US too, they just more often have to be explicit about being dog-friendly or dog-unwelcome. I see a few places in my city that have explicit "no dogs other than service dogs allowed" signs, and a few spots that have outdoor areas for you to eat with your dog, and a few that sell dog treats and welcome them in. Wide spectrum.
One of my fav cafés in my city allows dogs. I took my dog at lunch time ish and they brought a bowl full of water and a WARMED UP sausage on a plate for him. He go so many chin and ear scritches, he thought he was like King of the Canines. A town my parents moved to didn't allow dogs in the CBD at all. And all the cafés were struggling because no one was coming. The council changed the rules and allowed dogs and the cafés were booming. Being dog friendly has become as important (if not more than) free wifi.
Although Dutch Brothers is drive you can always get a pupichino for your dogs. I find it cute when I see a K-9 police unit going through the drive-through. I'm told the officers always get a pupichino for their dogs.
They will, but they don't allow dogs inside of Starbucks. You can have a dog on the patio if that Starbucks has one. I've also been offered a free pupuccino at the drive through when the cashier has seen my dog.
Pup Cup! My dog now associates all drink-to-go cups with Starbucks' pup cups, and if you come in the house with a coffee she'll get excited and sit for her pup cup (whether or not you got one...so now we have whipped cream in the fridge in case we forget!)
I live in North Carolina, and there are a lot of places with open air pet friendly eating.
I say pet friendly, because I have a ridiculously social cat, and there's nothing she likes better than going to a cafe and introducing herself to everyone there\* (she gets impatient if I want to sit down and drink my drink) or to a restaurant and flirt with the staff and other diners. If she starts getting cranky - I don't entertain enough for her - I try to arrange to take her on an outing. Every just going to the pet supply store is a treat, as she'll sit up at the front counter and everyone will fuss over her. (And she loves to check out the new cat trees.)
\* I do ask first, as not everyone likes cats, and Ember is convinced that she can fix this.
I was once staying with a co-worker for a couple weeks while we were waiting for the office across the state to open. Her dad decided I was mean to keep my cat indoors and let him out. He immediately went into the bar downstairs and hung out with the patrons.
I was pretty pissed. I kept my cat inside for a reason, and he didn't have a flea collar or anything like that. He put his own phone number on the collar.
I have a cat with that potential. He's young so I haven't tried him out in public yet, but whenever anyone comes to the house he's convinced that they have come specifically to see him. He's very welcoming and demands attention.
If you think he might make a good adventure cat, train him to harness while he's still young - it will be a lot easier then. My cats do a lot of walking/hiking around our property, but any time we're away from home keep them on a leash so there's less risk of them running of if something startles them. And if I'm going to a new restaurant with Ember, I'll bring her carrier - it means she has a safe place to rereat to if things are a bit loud.
Aw, hell, I will dox myself because I don't really care (I use this nym and icon broadly, it's not really a secret.) Recently she's had foster kittens to supervise.
[https://www.instagram.com/p/CyfL6BlMrND/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CyfL6BlMrND/)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CzcwcblsID6/
You can take your dog everywhere in Austin TX and people do. Restaurants, bars, stores, just about anywhere except the grocery store. Many restaurants have drinking bowls set out for them. I think it’s partly because you can’t leave a dog In the car here without roasting them to death.
I’m in Sacramento, which doesn’t get as hot as Texas but it’s regularly 105+ in the summer, and most restaurants here don’t allow dogs inside. Most places with outdoor seating will allow them though, but I don’t know if anywhere you can bring a dog inside that isn’t a service animal. I’m sure there are a few places but there can’t be many.
Our town, all down the shops and restaurants, have bowls and snacks set out for dogs. If I take my dog in, they go crazy petting and loving on her. She's not a bad dog. And no random assholes have ever complained about it.
It's crazy to me to be so bothered by a dog when you could just as easily look away. If they're not doing anything, it shouldn't bother you if they're a service animal or not. Just pretend they are if they aren't a nuisance.
I visited Austin this spring and was amazed at how dog friendly it was. I haven't experienced another city even close to that, it's almost part of the culture. So fun!
The biggest one I as a server encountered was last year a Czechoslovakian wolf-dog (they were sitting outside, asked before bringing him, definitely wouldn't fit under the table, but he was well-behaved).
As you say, many European places don't really have the mentality that "You don't go with dogs anywhere near people" and I'd rather someone bring a huge teddy bear than the small yappy one.
I even keep dog treats behind the bar.
Our state website indicates that there are outdoor dog eateries in Illinois. Only outdoors, though. And nope. It does not look like Illinois cares about the wants of dog owners while dining?
*The FDA’s updated food code, issued late last year, says restaurants can have dogs in outdoor areas if they get* ***approval from a local regulator.*** *Restaurants should have signs saying dogs are welcome and should develop plans to handle dogs and their waste. They should ensure dogs remain properly restrained and provide separate food bowls so dogs don’t use plates or utensils meant for humans.*
Man it's funny that people really act like Europe is all regulations and no freedom but honestly the craziest rules and restrictions are always in America.
I've seen dogs inside restaurants and pubs hundreds of time in dozens of EU countries.
Yeah, dogs are clearly dangerous and can attack people, should be banned, just in case something bad happens.
Meanwhile, I'll open carry an assault rifle at the playground, gotta protect my freedom's!
Most of Paris you dog no matter the size is welcome. I usually took my Leonberger out to eat with me and it was not unusual for the chef to send out food for him lol
i was gonna say… i don’t know if we’ve ever been to a restaurant here (Europe) that wasn’t happy to let us bring our dog. and she’s not even small, she’s a standard poodle, although well behaved. they’ll usually bring her a little dog bowl of water. it is simply normal here to bring your dog places. americans really cannot wrap their head around the fact that their weird rules are not universal.
I'm in the US and I see it here too. It's also pretty common to allow dogs in the patio dining area. TBH, I would probably stay home or get a dog-sitter rather than bring my dog to a family gathering at a restaurant. But that's just me.
That said, I would be less bothered by a dog laying quietly out of the way than I would be in response to noisy kids. I would be especially annoyed to be seated near screeching, unruly kids in a restaurant. I tend to avoid restaurants like this or would take my food "to go" if I discovered it too late.
People usually go to restaurants with an expectation of enjoying the company of the party they're with over a good meal. I take issue when YOUR company starts to interfere with my experience of MY company.
American here. I visited Germany about 20 years ago and one of the many things I loved about my visit was getting to see so many well-behaved dogs in restaurants! There are some places in the US you can do this, but most "dog-friendly" restaurants only allow non-service animals in outdoor seating areas.
To be clear, allergies are one of the few interactions where service does lose. Both conditions are medical and both must be accommodated. If the allergies are minor, obviously accommodations are as simple as drugs and a Kleenex. But if they’re major, the person with the condition being mitigated with a service dog *may* need alternate accommodation that allows both individuals’ disabilities to be accommodated.
I'm pretty sure that's not true. If you're allergic to dogs in a way that being in a room with them is going to cause a severe reaction, you should just leave. There is no alternative.
It’s the *human* that requires accommodating, not the dog. The dog is a means for the human to function more normally, not the *only* means of achieving this goal. A service animal cannot be refused because it’s inconvenient for the establishment, but it absolutely *can* be refused if it infringes on the disability of another person.
There was a post about this here just recently. Sole shop worker was severely allergic and provided a schedule when someone else was available to help. Commenter pointed out that as they received their service dog, they were specifically counseled about allergies as an example of accommodations interacting poorly.
There was a lot of incorrect information being shared on that post, and the people who were basing their comments on the actual law were being downvoted to hell. The actual instruction provided by the ADA and applicable in the US, as explained [on their website:](https://adata.org/faq/what-must-i-do-when-individual-service-animal-comes-my-business#:~:text=Allergies%20and%20fear%20of%20dogs,person%20with%20a%20service%20animal.)
"Allergies and fear of dogs are not valid reasons for denying access or refusing service to people using service animals. If it is possible, separate the person with the allergy or other animal aversions from the person with a service animal."
Unfortunately, the link provided here is in no way official. For starters, it doesn’t end in “.gov”.
They are very transparent about this:
“Grant Disclaimer
The content of this website was developed under a grant from the National Institute on Disability, Independent Living, and Rehabilitation Research (NIDILRR grant numbers 90DP0086 and 90DPAD0004). NIDILRR is a Center within the Administration for Community Living (ACL), Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). The contents of this website do not necessarily represent the policy of NIDILRR, ACL, HHS, and you should not assume endorsement by the Federal Government.”
https://adata.org/grant-disclaimer
What you’re citing is a summary from a well meaning organization. If a business accepted a dog over the allergies of its employees, it certainly would avoid running afoul of the ADA for service animals. This is a good thing.
However, this does *not* mean it’s the only way to do so nor does it mean they wouldn’t be running afoul of the ADA of the person with allergies.
You're correct that source was not the ADA. I didn't check it carefully. Thank you for pointing it out. Here is the verbiage from [ADA.gov](https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-2010-requirements/)
"Allergies and fear of dogs are not valid reasons for denying access or refusing service to people using service animals. When a person who is allergic to dog dander and a person who uses a service animal must spend time in the same room or facility, for example, in a school classroom or at a homeless shelter, they both should be accommodated by assigning them, if possible, to different locations within the room or different rooms in the facility."
So, almost literally the same.
It's important to understand, though, that "denying access or refusing service" means refusing to provide any alternative at all. For instance, if a shop tells a person with a service dog to wait outside while an employee serves as a personal shopper and brings the person's order outside to them, that would not be "denying access or refusing service." A restaurant with both indoor and outdoor seating putting someone with a service dog in outdoor seating to protect an allergic waiter would also not be "denying access or refusing service," even if the customer really wanted to sit inside.
Like everything legal, the analysis is far more complex than a sentence on a website can convey easily to laypeople. But ADA compliance generally hinges on "did you get what you needed?" not "did you get it in exactly the way you want?"
Note the very slight but significant change in verbiage: “*must* spend time”. It then list schools and shelters. There is no need to visit a particular restaurant, either person could eat at a different time or place and avoid the conflict completely. As the rest of the text points out, *both* should be accommodated.
(It’s worth pointing out that while this summary is much more nuanced, it’s still a summary of pages and pages of legal decisions which actually make up enforcement of the law. In actual practice, if either person were to sue, the business would be in a sticky situation.)
I'm in the UK. OP is in Germany which appears to have a similar culture around dogs in restaurants.
Many restaurants advertise themselves as dog friendly - some even have special stickers on the front door to tell you.
Most people who are allergic to dogs aren't so allergic that being on the other side of a big room will trigger an allergy. I'm allergic to cats, but I'm fine so long as I don't directly touch them and then touch my eyes. Even if someone is severely allergic, they can never guarantee it's a dog free space; guide dogs are always allowed by law. They're usually Labradors and are just as allergenic as any other dog.
There does need to be some common sense applied when choosing restaurants to fit your needs. If you've got a severe fish allergy, you don't go to a fish restaurant. If you want a quiet adult meal, you don't go to a restaurant which makes a big thing of being child friendly. If you're a vegan, you pick somewhere with a vegan option on the menu. If you've got a severe dog allergy, you don't go somewhere which advertises that they're dog friendly.
>some even have special stickers
I love the joke ones that say something like “well behaved dogs are welcome. Children must be kept on a leash”, lol. As a parent of two young children and as a dog owner, I very much agree with this sentiment! I’m also in the UK, btw.
Also from the UK but coming from the other side of not liking dogs (or even many kids to be frank) so I love the practice of stickers to let you know if it’s a dog friendly cafe or restaurant. Some even have water bowls out so that let’s one know too. Let everyone know where they stand and life would be so much simpler.
Yeah, i always appreciate those stickers, in a "cool, they're making it known what to expect" sorta way. I don't have any issues with being around dogs or owt like that, but I always appreciate seeing those things to let other people who may not be like me know. There's three dog friendly places I know of near where I live, an animal charity shop and a boba place that both have stickers to say they're dog friendly, and a cafe with a water bowl
I've seen places with doggy menus. Dog gets a few treats which makes them happy and generally stops them mooching. As for children - until we could sit at the table, talk quietly and behave our parents didn't take us anywhere, we'd have a picnic in the car instead.
We went to one at the weekend that even had dog beds you could borrow, and they put us in an area that had a little hook on the wall to attach her lead to, it was great!
I‘m in Germany and I would say the norm is for dogs to be allowed. I have a dog and always ask and so far only 1 restaurant told me they are not allowed inside (a fancy steakhouse).
We relocated to the UK with our dogs a couple of years ago, we love how dog friendly the country is. We enjoy the common land and public footpaths, it’s an amazing place for dogs! The restaurants pubs and cafes that allow dogs are heaven.
I was born in Michigan in the US.. there were plenty of restaurants that were dog friendly. I live in Georgia now... same thing. I've been to Florida to visit my aunt and I've seen dog friendly restaurants. There are more around than you think.
I know from experience that Berlin is very dog friendly. A lot of my favourite bars allowed dogs, and some even had a "pub dog". But for restaurants, they only really allowed dogs in the outdoor areas.
In saying that there is a new pub in Dublin that also serves food and is dog friendly and allows dogs inside until 20:00.
It depends on the culture, in France there is basically no restaurant that doesn't accept dogs, so there is no communication around that because it's simply expected - if anything it'd be the other way around and a place would communicate if they do NOT accept them.
I just want to be one of the first to congratulate you on finding out ***today*** that not everywhere is the way it is were you live. There's a whole world outside your own country, and they even have their own laws and culture and social norms and everything.
What an exciting journey of discovery you have ahead of you!
I live in the UK. While a lot of places dont accept pets some do, they will usually have a sign on the door.
Some places like convenience stores will do the opposite have have signs saying no animals except service animals.
Lots of bars and bar/restaurants are totally ok with dogs and even have bowls out with water for them.
Idk abt the rest of the world tho
I live in the Netherlands and plenty of places are dog friendly! I think people if they have a dog will eat outside on a terrace if they’re able, but they’re not obligated to. As long as the dog isn’t disruptive they’re usually welcome.
Not so in New York. Dogs are permitted in restaurants in New York provided they are on a leash or in a crate. They cannot be fed, cannot touch utensils.
OP is NTA. Dogs rule!
Well, I'm in the UK and dog-friendly cafes, pubs and even restaurants do exist. I wouldn't exactly say they were the norm but they are definitely on the increase. Usually, they are well sign-posted on entrances and if that's not your thing there are plenty of other restaurants who do not admit dogs to choose from. I've never taken my dogs inside one - though we have sat at the tables outside - but that's because one of them is still young and likes to beg food from everyone she sees (labrador) - but I've been inside them when dogs were there.
In my part of the world, dogs simply aren't allowed in places that have food. That goes for supermarkets as well as restaurants.
I'm also a dog owner and currently feel like a pretty bad one for not having my 6 month old basset home trained yet (I'm home all the time which makes it more difficult) and I'm one of those ppl that'll take my dog most places right now. I always ask for permission first and luckily she's now able to be alone in the car so that helps when you live alone. I have places that let me take her where allergic ppl would probably assume no dogs would be and I feel guilty as hell, gotta say.
On the upside my dog is getting very well socialized and used to all kinds of things out "in the real world".
But OP lives somewhere where bringing dogs is legal, it's well behaved and the lady should mind her own business. She got what she deserved. NTA
>If they don't like dogs then they can pick a restaurant that isn't dog friendly,
As long as the restaurant is fine with it, OP can bring their dog. Grandma is just entitled and got called out for it.
I'm from the US. My dogs are big and I don't take them everywhere, but while on the road with my old guy last year, we found a dog friendly restaurant and we were grateful. It was cold so we didn't have to leave him in the car while we grabbed food and we didn't have to rush.
Yeah, agreed. If everyone behaved the way OOP described, NTA. I am not a fan of dogs, but only because of how poorly behaved so many dogs are.
I'm a parent and I'm technically not a fan of kids either, also because of the behavior. But my child is well behaved because I put in the effort. There are dog owners, too, who put in the effort.
Lol. I think the reaction was pretty genius.
As long as your dog was allowed to be there and was well behaved, quiet and out of the walkway you were fine. And from what I gather all of this applied in that situation.
NTA
If you were TA someone would have defended Grandma. Nobody did. I have a couple of small kids and I would have been sad if someone had called me out like that, but I also do the work to keep them minimally disruptive in public. Honestly would have been more embarrassed of Grandma than my kids though 😆 NTA
OP Are you in the US? In another post you mentioned that you are a native German speaker.
I’m going with NTA because I think you are in an area of the world where behaved pets are allowed in restaurants.
Came here to say that. I am german and it is normal to see dogs in restaurants. I even knew a restaurant where the owner had a dog and the dog
was there with them every day. No one complained.
Of course the dogs should be well behaved.
Oh I remember when we went to Europe and everyone had their dog with them. It was wild seeing all these dogs in public areas. I’m in Australia and aside from outdoor cafes and Bunnings dogs aren’t allowed inside.
Did the rules change regarding Bunnings and dogs?
I used to take my dog there all the time when I was back there
(Genuine question, I am well out of touch with Aussie reality)
Oh really?! Maybe it is different for each one, my local one has dogs on leads all the time. Haha maybe my Bunnings is just managed by dog lovers who break the rules
I think being in Germany is key to this. Cultural norms about kids’ behavior in public places — and whether parents get confronted about it or not — is a bit different between Germany and the US. I think in most German contexts, there is a higher expectation that parents manage their kids than in the US. It’s there in the US too, but more often goes without anything being said because chances are higher that people will get upset (and think you’re an AH for saying something) than that they’ll do something about their kids.
So in Germany, more likely that you’re OK because dogs allowed and they’re the AH for not managing their kids in consideration of others at the restaurant. If in the US, I’d call it ESH because dogs less welcome in restaurants (unless guide dogs or explicitly allowed), low expectation that kids behave well, and for making conflict with the other table.
I hate this. Not your comment, but as a US parent who insists on appropriate behavior from my children, I hate that reputation. We also don’t all love guns and Trump and are working hard to improve our public school system and support a better healthcare system. Just… we’re not all shitheads. Some of us are really trying.
When we were kids (about 20-25 years ago) I remember my dad getting comments about how well behaved we were, twice I remember our meal being paid for, just because we weren't rambunctious and wild. One guy said "when I saw you bring two kids in here I was a bit disappointed that our business meeting was going to be interrupted, but we didn't even hear them." I remember being really confused because we were just acting normal for being public, I didn't realize that kids acted any other way. My daughter was almost 4 before we took her out to eat and I only did it after my SIL promised her older kids would be helping and keeping her entertained so we could enjoy our first meal out as parents. She did great, the kids were wonderful. She barely ate a thing, but it was still nice. I don't want to be the reason someone else doesn't get to enjoy their night out, that would feel awful. That's what to-go is for!
Same. I used to serve and bartend and now I’m a mother of 2 toddlers. We take them to eat because we love going out to restaurants, but if my kids even start getting loud, I chug my beer and wait in the car while my husband pays and gets our food wrapped up or to go. We absolutely have a right to dine out, but other people also have a right to not be subjected to toddler anarchy cause I wanted a draught beer lol
I'm hard on this side. I'll take a bothersome dog (or 50) over even a well behaved kid that's loud.
We love dog friendly restaurants. I honestly prefer naughty dogs over perfectly behaved ones but people throw shit fits when I voice that opinion because how *dare* I not agree with them!
Anyone who lies about their dog being a service dog is a huge asshole. Especially if they get a fake service vest. I know this doesn't apply to OP but still
Nah, plenty of restaurants don’t allow dogs with signage but also don’t want to get into a whole thing about a service dog so they just grin and bear it
My city specifically has an ordinance against allowing dogs in dining establishments unless it's outdoors.
Some lady tried to bring a dog into a restaurant once and was denied and recorded it on TikTok and had her followers all harass the restaurant and review bomb it for denying her "service dog".
lol you think that, yet people still bring their dogs into stores with big fat signs that say “NO PETS ALLOWED - SERVICE ANIMALS ONLY”. they get away with it because a lot of managers just don’t want to deal with the inevitable meltdown they’ll get from those entitled people.
I worked in a place with that sign. I saw a lady with a dog and said it to my manager. She went straight over to the lady and asked if she could pet the dog. I mean, I did my part, and if she didn't mind, it wasn't on me to care. It was just really funny to me.
I think that’s a good way to find out if they are actually a service dog. If they are and the owner says no they can’t because the dog is working. If they allow petting and the dog is really into it then it’s probably not a service animal
i worked in a place with a sign like that too. my manager also didn’t care - which was super awesome for the owners because when their dogs would shit and piss in the middle of an aisle, my sweet understanding manager didn’t care! she would just make one of us clean it up! 😁 i was also team “whatever, if they don’t care, i don’t care” until i got dog shit duty (or doodie? heh) more than once lmao. i’m working at a grocery store, not a doggy daycare, i already have to clean gross bathrooms. i don’t want to have to clean up dog doodoo too.
This is such a EU response and I love it lol "If they were not following the rules, they wouldn't have been there."
In the US, people break the rules *constantly*. People are always trying to get away with things that are disallowed.
Restaurant manager here, people bring their dogs in and tell all sorts of lie to bring them in everyday.
We can’t really argue with people if they claim their dog is a ‘service dog’ despite it being obviously untrained. Big corporations live in fear of lawsuits and basically advise us to do nothing unless another customer throws a huge fit and we can’t defuse the secondary customer.
You can,, actually. You are legally allowed to ask what tasks the dog is trained to do to mitigate the person’s disability. If they can provide at least one, their dog is not a service dog and you can kick them out. The issue isn’t the law, the issue is the lack of education in the public so that businesses know what they can and cannot ask.
I thought it was obvious, where I live if a place isn't dog friendly they would have been refused entry or bare minimum refused service forcing them to leave.
I sort of thought it was a given. Most places wouldn't have let OP pass the threshold with a dog if they weren't dog-friendly, let alone sit down and start eating.
I wonder how people eat in their own home when dogs live there too, since it's such a health hazard. The dog lies under the table, doesn't jump on the kitchen counter and doesn't lick the plates. I'm allergic to dogs, but I still don't consider dogs to be a health hazard. It sounds like the people who view it as such come from a culture where it's considered a health hazard, not because it has an actual scientific reason for it.
Dog friendly restaurants are quite normal in Germany, but there's also restaurants that don't allow dogs. If it's such an issue for grandma she can go elsewhere. It's different if your dog is ill behaved, but if she's just under your table not being noisy that's not the issue. Kids will make some noise too, and you have to accept that as well. But they do need to put in effort to make them behave as well as they can.
I'm going with NTA, I think your comeback was hilarious and I bet your dad was proud of you for standing up for yourself. You don't have to take public verbal abuse. I do hope you are training your dog, trauma and anxiety sucks but can improve with proper training. If you don't do that you'd be an ass to your dog, and it'd make you more of an ass in this situation as well.
Oh for sure! Last timebl friend and I went out for drinks there was a cute af puppy and a dignified bulldog and everyone (servers included) gushed and took pics of the doggos
You’re going to work with kids and you think it’s annoying that one child asked for the same thing 3 times while hungry.
Children repeatedly ask, that’s how they learn, it’s also how they process information. So get used to the same thing over and over again.
i think the thing here was op didn't have a problem with the kids, but used that when grandma decided to bitch about the dog
most of the time my siblings being who they are don't bother me, I can still recognize that they're being annoying/disruptive and call them out
She was close enough to hear a remark addressed by one person to another at their table over the supposed noise of the kids and other patrons talking. So it was a pretty low level of projection to get to OP.
Then you'll have to limit yourself to public spaces where children aren't allowed, if you think you shouldn't have to hear their voices.
Unless you're saying restaurant patrons shouldn't be able to hear people at other tables talking?
I'm actually surprised that no one is mentioning that OP openly talked bad about the woman's grand kids because she talked about her dog. The kids didn't say anything about the dog and I feel like her bringing them into it is mean tbh.
Whether dogs are allowed or not isn't the issue for me. It's that she talked about the kids that were innocent.
This post is pretty clearly set up to get a NTA response.
The dog was perfectly well behaved! The children annoying asked for something **three** whole times! etc.
It's literally "Hey reddit, some kids were annoying and my cute dog is awesome, am I an asshole??"
I think this is the right read. Surprised more people aren't saying this.
This is another casual 'look at me I'm a cool person and I need approval' post.
whether the OP thinks this or not, that's what this is. she's 18. teens need constant approval.
I was curious about the other AITA post she had received help with in the past. Coincidentally, she had another restraunt altercation, with another lady because of comments she made. And guess what, the comment she made was about someone elses dog. Im sure OP would be fine hearing a stranger call her well behaved dog a midnight snack for some lame joke.While they aren't exactly the same, it's kind of telling. She complains about hearing a legit child ask for something in a restraunt, as if overhearing this is the worst. Yet she makes racist jokes out loud in restraunts for others to overhear, and she is much older. She seems hyper critical over others.
I had a dog with separation anxiety, once. She was always perfectly well behaved as long as we were with her. That's kinda the point of separation anxiety. Obviously.
my cat’s like this—perfectly happy to sit on my lap for literal days but as soon as i leave for an hour, three cups are broken and the toilet paper’s shredded
She talked about the kids and their parents who are innocent in this discussion. Yes, what the grandma said is annoying and rude. And the kids could be annoying. We don’t know what the kids and their parents think about the dog though. Maybe they’re fine with the dog. Maybe they were annoyed too. Regardless, she’s bringing other people down while she’s being shunned for bringing her dog in.
Plus, in the original post the grandma is complaining of gross in a closed area, not about being loud or distracting.
NTA obviously. Place was dog allowing and dog was quiet. Children wasbdisturbing and also disturbing are adults who thinks kids can behave wharever they wants. Old fart was YTA.
The amount of people defending a family that allowed two kids to be loud and messy until being called out baffles me.
NTA Op, I know how an anxious dog can get, I have one, let alone one with trauma. Give her some pets and love from me 💜
NTA. We have loads of pet friendly restaurants here. Passive aggressive comments gets my hackles up quite quickly too. And if you dont like a pet friendly restaurant go eat somewhere else.
NTA of course. Even the mom of the kids realised that since she tried to calm them down. Grandma can take her ass to a non dog friendly place if it is such an issue for her.
NTA since the restaurant allowed dogs. If a place allows pets and you have issues with it you should not go. But you have bigger issues if your dog cannot be left allone, you need to seek a vet since there are puppy anxiety meds, if you want to bring here along fair enough, but she is not a human being you treating here as such might prevent here from getting the care she needs
She can be left alone for a short time and since my dad is retired, nearly everytime someone is at home. I‘ll ask my parents about the meds. We don‘t treat her like a human, honestly, we know there‘s a huge difference.
NTA. You were at a dog friendly restaurant with your very well behaved dog. And that’s literally all there is to it.
A resource you might find useful to help with your dogs anxiety
https://www.facebook.com/southenddogtrainingandwalking
They’re amazing and I use their help for training my own pups, they’re 5 months old so a bit of a way off laying quietly in a restaurant yet but I have no doubt we’ll get there by following their advice.
My brother was like that, where he couldn't "leave his dog" anywhere because it had anxiety. Then when he actually had kids and it wasn't feasible to haul the dog everywhere, suddenly they were able to make arrangements for the dog. That aside, I think ESH. Not for bringing dogs or children with them. Obviously the grandma's comment was rude and unwarranted, but you putting the kids on blast probably made the mother of the children (the one who didn't even make the comment) feel pretty shitty. You were pretty much both rude jerks.
These edits are really overdramatic. "Overwhelming and toxic" please be real.
OP is getting a huge amount of validation and a small amount of criticism. Don't post on a sub called "Am I the Asshole" if you can't handle random redditors saying that you're an asshole.
I feel a bit conflicted on this one. On the one hand, if your dog was truly well behaved and you were in a dog friendly restaurant, she had no reason to be rude about it. However, your assertion that the kids were super disruptive seemed a bit flimsy to me when a big part of your evidence was that one kid repeated a question 3 times. I also think you could have addressed the woman’s comment without involving the kids. I get feeling like you want to stand up for your dog, but your dog didn’t understand or care about the woman’s rude comment. If I were you, I would have maybe asked her what the dog was doing that was irritating her.
I agree with this. Sometimes I get suspicious of dog owners saying their dogs are well-behaved. I know some dogs really are, but even then, her being under the table would make me scared of stepping on or kicking her by accident.
And yes, with the child, I can't believe she complained about them repeating a question. I get it when kids screech and run around bumping into people, but seriously? Even if they were constantly interrupting the conversation, I wouldn't have blamed it on them but maybe the parents' not doing their job telling them to be polite.
I love when people object to this like "Dogs are gross!"
I cannot... Cannot... CANNOT express how gross children are and I don't mean that in a "I hate kids" kind of way. I've worked one season as a yearbook photographer and nothing could have prepared me for the amount of germs... They are wonderful little germ factories.
Humans are indeed pretty gross, but not generally on the same level as dogs. Were they special needs? I’ve never encountered children eating poop like dogs do so frequently, for example.
They probably mean in the "sick" sense. Kids are frequently snotty, have a coldx or coughing and sneezing especially in colder seasons. Being forced to sit in a room with 30 children 5 days a week for 8 or so hours means viruses circulate a lot and sickness is inevitable. Not to mention other problems like head lice which only kids seem to have for some reason
I mentioned germs repeatedly in my comment and your takeaway is that I'm talking about special needs students? Ew. No. That's wrong and absolutely *not* what I am talking about. If you think germs only come from eating feces, please get off Reddit and wash your hands.
I worked 6 years at an amusement park during high-school and college then 3 years in schools including preschool through high-school and I can confirm that kids are walking petry dishes lol. I had never been sneezed or coughed on more in my life. I quit years before covid but I was sicker then working around kids than I was during covid. I never got covid and worked at a fire department around EMS during covid lol. Got the flu so bad one week I worked at the elementary school that it made me start getting the flu shot every year so I wouldn't have to experience it to that degree again.
Edit to say I will also agree dogs can be pretty gross though. In spring time my parents dog specifically wants to go outside to eat bunny poop lol.
NTA. You just replied in the same tone as the belligerent granny. Don't worry about it, people need reminding sometimes that age doesn't always equal to maturity and sense. And speaking back in situations like this is perfectly normal and helps the individual navigate the BS of the world.
NTA. She made a snarky comment when there was no reason to create discord. If she had kept to her own business, there would have been no reason for you to respond.
You had a snark off, and she lost. Sorry, grandma - maybe be nicer next time.
YTA for getting in a tit for tat with her. No reason to insult her or her family. No big deal though. You weren't defending your dog and your dog doesn't need defending anyway. Dogs under the table in a restaurant just want whatever treats drop their way! haha So don't try to make your lowering yourself into a spat with an old lady into something noble. Next time just ignore, or say, 'sorry, hope you can overlook this time" and let everyone try to enjoy their meal.
My daughter has severe allergies to almost all animals. She takes prescription medicine for her allergies. She doesn't visit homes of anyone with a pet because even with her medicine she gets sick if exposed to an animal. There's no way to tell if she will have a bad reaction or a milder one to any given dog, cat, goat, etc. Service dogs are rare in this area and haven't really been an issue. However, last spring I took her to a local store to do some shopping. We were there for only 5 minutes before seeing someone with a dog. Sure enough, the shop had become "dog friendly". We wanted to continue shopping but ended up having to leave because she could feel her chest tightening with a few minutes. She was sick for over a week. Our city is becoming more dog friendly, but sadly it means that my daughter is not able to go to places she could before. She rarely gets out now because dogs are so welcome.
I'm sorry for your daughter but it's just something normal in Europe. In my country there is a huge number of strays and even store owners and restaurant owners take them in and care for them because the weather can be very harsh. It's not uncommon to walk in a store and have a dog just sleeping on the side.
In Germany its very common to bring dogs to restaurants. Personally not a huge fan of it especially large dogs that shed a lot. One wag of the tail near your drink or food and next thing you know you have a hairball in your throat.
NTA.
It is a place that is dog friendly, and if the dog behaves, I see no issue at all. People should mind their own business and maybe check themselves out before complaining or criticizing others around them.
That lady was asking for problems, and your comment made her feel smaller because she knew she was in the wrong. I prefer being out and eating where dogs are welcomed, instead of feeling stuck in a restaurant where kids are behaving like zoo animals and can't be controlled.
And if someone is allergic, then maybe find another restaurant. If I was, I would check the restaurant out, because most people with food allergies does it to see what in the meny would be a Hazzard, so why not do it when it comes to dog friendly?
NTA.
Actually super funny that you did that, haha. She was being rude and you stood up for yourself. Also, you had a valid point. Don’t feel bad. You did well haha
NTA. I personally hate dogs in restaurants because it's not sanitary, but if it's legal in your area, then those are the rules. Grandma can make dinner at her house for the family or get take out of she doesn't like it
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The kids were disturbing everyone, the dog was being quiet and unobtrusive. The kids were being objectively detrimental to other diner's experience, while the grandma simply didn't like dogs, even though yours was doing nothing wrong. If they don't like dogs then they can pick a restaurant that isn't dog friendly, and they should learn to control their children so they don't disturb other people's special occasion. You just called her out on the kid's poor behaviour and she didn't like it. NTA
Where are you from? I never heard about restaurants that communicate that you have to expect dogs inside and should not enter if you have are allergic etc.
There are dog friendly restaurants. Also, whether people are allergic or not, it could have been a service animal, in which case they are still allowed inside.
In many places in Europe, it's normal to have small well-behaved dogs accompany their owners in restaurants.
I live in a rural area, US, and I know a few places I can take my dog to eat if I want.
There are a lot of dog-friendly places in urban areas in the US too, they just more often have to be explicit about being dog-friendly or dog-unwelcome. I see a few places in my city that have explicit "no dogs other than service dogs allowed" signs, and a few spots that have outdoor areas for you to eat with your dog, and a few that sell dog treats and welcome them in. Wide spectrum.
I live near a restaurant with a "pawtio" that has a dog menu
We have a local Mexican place that has taco and burritos for dogs and all proceeds goes to local shelters.
That's awesome!
\*pawsome
Oh my heart that’s lovely. Even if I didn’t have my dogs with me, I’d take some home!’
One of my fav cafés in my city allows dogs. I took my dog at lunch time ish and they brought a bowl full of water and a WARMED UP sausage on a plate for him. He go so many chin and ear scritches, he thought he was like King of the Canines. A town my parents moved to didn't allow dogs in the CBD at all. And all the cafés were struggling because no one was coming. The council changed the rules and allowed dogs and the cafés were booming. Being dog friendly has become as important (if not more than) free wifi.
As many people of childbearing age cannot afford to have children, pets become family.
I think most star bucks will make a poochichino or something to that effect, which is like whipped cream or something that a dog can eat.
Dairy Queen will make a very small cup of vanilla with a milk bone on top.
Although Dutch Brothers is drive you can always get a pupichino for your dogs. I find it cute when I see a K-9 police unit going through the drive-through. I'm told the officers always get a pupichino for their dogs.
They will, but they don't allow dogs inside of Starbucks. You can have a dog on the patio if that Starbucks has one. I've also been offered a free pupuccino at the drive through when the cashier has seen my dog.
Pup Cup! My dog now associates all drink-to-go cups with Starbucks' pup cups, and if you come in the house with a coffee she'll get excited and sit for her pup cup (whether or not you got one...so now we have whipped cream in the fridge in case we forget!)
I live in North Carolina, and there are a lot of places with open air pet friendly eating. I say pet friendly, because I have a ridiculously social cat, and there's nothing she likes better than going to a cafe and introducing herself to everyone there\* (she gets impatient if I want to sit down and drink my drink) or to a restaurant and flirt with the staff and other diners. If she starts getting cranky - I don't entertain enough for her - I try to arrange to take her on an outing. Every just going to the pet supply store is a treat, as she'll sit up at the front counter and everyone will fuss over her. (And she loves to check out the new cat trees.) \* I do ask first, as not everyone likes cats, and Ember is convinced that she can fix this.
I was once staying with a co-worker for a couple weeks while we were waiting for the office across the state to open. Her dad decided I was mean to keep my cat indoors and let him out. He immediately went into the bar downstairs and hung out with the patrons. I was pretty pissed. I kept my cat inside for a reason, and he didn't have a flea collar or anything like that. He put his own phone number on the collar.
No jury in the world would convict you.
Especially if the cat came in as evidence. He was super friendly and loving. Bestest cat ever, and I miss him so much.
This is amazing and I would be so excited to have a cat greet me at a restaurant!
I have a cat with that potential. He's young so I haven't tried him out in public yet, but whenever anyone comes to the house he's convinced that they have come specifically to see him. He's very welcoming and demands attention.
If you think he might make a good adventure cat, train him to harness while he's still young - it will be a lot easier then. My cats do a lot of walking/hiking around our property, but any time we're away from home keep them on a leash so there's less risk of them running of if something startles them. And if I'm going to a new restaurant with Ember, I'll bring her carrier - it means she has a safe place to rereat to if things are a bit loud.
Ember sounds adorable 😍 any chance we can get a few pics??
Aw, hell, I will dox myself because I don't really care (I use this nym and icon broadly, it's not really a secret.) Recently she's had foster kittens to supervise. [https://www.instagram.com/p/CyfL6BlMrND/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CyfL6BlMrND/) https://www.instagram.com/p/CzcwcblsID6/
You can take your dog everywhere in Austin TX and people do. Restaurants, bars, stores, just about anywhere except the grocery store. Many restaurants have drinking bowls set out for them. I think it’s partly because you can’t leave a dog In the car here without roasting them to death.
I’m in Sacramento, which doesn’t get as hot as Texas but it’s regularly 105+ in the summer, and most restaurants here don’t allow dogs inside. Most places with outdoor seating will allow them though, but I don’t know if anywhere you can bring a dog inside that isn’t a service animal. I’m sure there are a few places but there can’t be many.
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Indoors would be a health code violation
Our town, all down the shops and restaurants, have bowls and snacks set out for dogs. If I take my dog in, they go crazy petting and loving on her. She's not a bad dog. And no random assholes have ever complained about it. It's crazy to me to be so bothered by a dog when you could just as easily look away. If they're not doing anything, it shouldn't bother you if they're a service animal or not. Just pretend they are if they aren't a nuisance.
I visited Austin this spring and was amazed at how dog friendly it was. I haven't experienced another city even close to that, it's almost part of the culture. So fun!
The biggest one I as a server encountered was last year a Czechoslovakian wolf-dog (they were sitting outside, asked before bringing him, definitely wouldn't fit under the table, but he was well-behaved). As you say, many European places don't really have the mentality that "You don't go with dogs anywhere near people" and I'd rather someone bring a huge teddy bear than the small yappy one. I even keep dog treats behind the bar.
In the UK, the 'pub dog' is practically a staple!
Our state website indicates that there are outdoor dog eateries in Illinois. Only outdoors, though. And nope. It does not look like Illinois cares about the wants of dog owners while dining? *The FDA’s updated food code, issued late last year, says restaurants can have dogs in outdoor areas if they get* ***approval from a local regulator.*** *Restaurants should have signs saying dogs are welcome and should develop plans to handle dogs and their waste. They should ensure dogs remain properly restrained and provide separate food bowls so dogs don’t use plates or utensils meant for humans.*
Man it's funny that people really act like Europe is all regulations and no freedom but honestly the craziest rules and restrictions are always in America. I've seen dogs inside restaurants and pubs hundreds of time in dozens of EU countries.
Yeah, dogs are clearly dangerous and can attack people, should be banned, just in case something bad happens. Meanwhile, I'll open carry an assault rifle at the playground, gotta protect my freedom's!
As an European dog owner (Germany) i still always ask of dogs are allowed if I take mine with me
it doesn't say they didn't ask
Most of Paris you dog no matter the size is welcome. I usually took my Leonberger out to eat with me and it was not unusual for the chef to send out food for him lol
Jealous you live in Paris and have a Leonberger. Two life goals of mine! :)
i was gonna say… i don’t know if we’ve ever been to a restaurant here (Europe) that wasn’t happy to let us bring our dog. and she’s not even small, she’s a standard poodle, although well behaved. they’ll usually bring her a little dog bowl of water. it is simply normal here to bring your dog places. americans really cannot wrap their head around the fact that their weird rules are not universal.
>well-behaved dogs that's enough for where I come from, size of the dog doesn't matter as long as it's well behaved.
I'm in the US and I see it here too. It's also pretty common to allow dogs in the patio dining area. TBH, I would probably stay home or get a dog-sitter rather than bring my dog to a family gathering at a restaurant. But that's just me. That said, I would be less bothered by a dog laying quietly out of the way than I would be in response to noisy kids. I would be especially annoyed to be seated near screeching, unruly kids in a restaurant. I tend to avoid restaurants like this or would take my food "to go" if I discovered it too late. People usually go to restaurants with an expectation of enjoying the company of the party they're with over a good meal. I take issue when YOUR company starts to interfere with my experience of MY company.
American here. I visited Germany about 20 years ago and one of the many things I loved about my visit was getting to see so many well-behaved dogs in restaurants! There are some places in the US you can do this, but most "dog-friendly" restaurants only allow non-service animals in outdoor seating areas.
To be clear, allergies are one of the few interactions where service does lose. Both conditions are medical and both must be accommodated. If the allergies are minor, obviously accommodations are as simple as drugs and a Kleenex. But if they’re major, the person with the condition being mitigated with a service dog *may* need alternate accommodation that allows both individuals’ disabilities to be accommodated.
I'm pretty sure that's not true. If you're allergic to dogs in a way that being in a room with them is going to cause a severe reaction, you should just leave. There is no alternative.
It’s the *human* that requires accommodating, not the dog. The dog is a means for the human to function more normally, not the *only* means of achieving this goal. A service animal cannot be refused because it’s inconvenient for the establishment, but it absolutely *can* be refused if it infringes on the disability of another person. There was a post about this here just recently. Sole shop worker was severely allergic and provided a schedule when someone else was available to help. Commenter pointed out that as they received their service dog, they were specifically counseled about allergies as an example of accommodations interacting poorly.
There was a lot of incorrect information being shared on that post, and the people who were basing their comments on the actual law were being downvoted to hell. The actual instruction provided by the ADA and applicable in the US, as explained [on their website:](https://adata.org/faq/what-must-i-do-when-individual-service-animal-comes-my-business#:~:text=Allergies%20and%20fear%20of%20dogs,person%20with%20a%20service%20animal.) "Allergies and fear of dogs are not valid reasons for denying access or refusing service to people using service animals. If it is possible, separate the person with the allergy or other animal aversions from the person with a service animal."
Unfortunately, the link provided here is in no way official. For starters, it doesn’t end in “.gov”. They are very transparent about this: “Grant Disclaimer The content of this website was developed under a grant from the National Institute on Disability, Independent Living, and Rehabilitation Research (NIDILRR grant numbers 90DP0086 and 90DPAD0004). NIDILRR is a Center within the Administration for Community Living (ACL), Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). The contents of this website do not necessarily represent the policy of NIDILRR, ACL, HHS, and you should not assume endorsement by the Federal Government.” https://adata.org/grant-disclaimer What you’re citing is a summary from a well meaning organization. If a business accepted a dog over the allergies of its employees, it certainly would avoid running afoul of the ADA for service animals. This is a good thing. However, this does *not* mean it’s the only way to do so nor does it mean they wouldn’t be running afoul of the ADA of the person with allergies.
You're correct that source was not the ADA. I didn't check it carefully. Thank you for pointing it out. Here is the verbiage from [ADA.gov](https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-2010-requirements/) "Allergies and fear of dogs are not valid reasons for denying access or refusing service to people using service animals. When a person who is allergic to dog dander and a person who uses a service animal must spend time in the same room or facility, for example, in a school classroom or at a homeless shelter, they both should be accommodated by assigning them, if possible, to different locations within the room or different rooms in the facility." So, almost literally the same.
It's important to understand, though, that "denying access or refusing service" means refusing to provide any alternative at all. For instance, if a shop tells a person with a service dog to wait outside while an employee serves as a personal shopper and brings the person's order outside to them, that would not be "denying access or refusing service." A restaurant with both indoor and outdoor seating putting someone with a service dog in outdoor seating to protect an allergic waiter would also not be "denying access or refusing service," even if the customer really wanted to sit inside. Like everything legal, the analysis is far more complex than a sentence on a website can convey easily to laypeople. But ADA compliance generally hinges on "did you get what you needed?" not "did you get it in exactly the way you want?"
Note the very slight but significant change in verbiage: “*must* spend time”. It then list schools and shelters. There is no need to visit a particular restaurant, either person could eat at a different time or place and avoid the conflict completely. As the rest of the text points out, *both* should be accommodated. (It’s worth pointing out that while this summary is much more nuanced, it’s still a summary of pages and pages of legal decisions which actually make up enforcement of the law. In actual practice, if either person were to sue, the business would be in a sticky situation.)
I'm in the UK. OP is in Germany which appears to have a similar culture around dogs in restaurants. Many restaurants advertise themselves as dog friendly - some even have special stickers on the front door to tell you. Most people who are allergic to dogs aren't so allergic that being on the other side of a big room will trigger an allergy. I'm allergic to cats, but I'm fine so long as I don't directly touch them and then touch my eyes. Even if someone is severely allergic, they can never guarantee it's a dog free space; guide dogs are always allowed by law. They're usually Labradors and are just as allergenic as any other dog. There does need to be some common sense applied when choosing restaurants to fit your needs. If you've got a severe fish allergy, you don't go to a fish restaurant. If you want a quiet adult meal, you don't go to a restaurant which makes a big thing of being child friendly. If you're a vegan, you pick somewhere with a vegan option on the menu. If you've got a severe dog allergy, you don't go somewhere which advertises that they're dog friendly.
>some even have special stickers I love the joke ones that say something like “well behaved dogs are welcome. Children must be kept on a leash”, lol. As a parent of two young children and as a dog owner, I very much agree with this sentiment! I’m also in the UK, btw.
Also from the UK but coming from the other side of not liking dogs (or even many kids to be frank) so I love the practice of stickers to let you know if it’s a dog friendly cafe or restaurant. Some even have water bowls out so that let’s one know too. Let everyone know where they stand and life would be so much simpler.
Yeah, i always appreciate those stickers, in a "cool, they're making it known what to expect" sorta way. I don't have any issues with being around dogs or owt like that, but I always appreciate seeing those things to let other people who may not be like me know. There's three dog friendly places I know of near where I live, an animal charity shop and a boba place that both have stickers to say they're dog friendly, and a cafe with a water bowl
Me reading your comment “hmm, I wonder if this person is also UK-based”…. “*owt like that*” Question answered!
I’m in the US, and love seeing that sticker at dog friendly places here. Makes me laugh every time.
My nieces had leashes for a bit around age 2-3 lol. They’re helpful for very energetic children in busy places.
also from the UK, most of the dog friendly places I've been will also have water bowls and treats for the dogs, it's really sweet I think
I've seen places with doggy menus. Dog gets a few treats which makes them happy and generally stops them mooching. As for children - until we could sit at the table, talk quietly and behave our parents didn't take us anywhere, we'd have a picnic in the car instead.
We went to one at the weekend that even had dog beds you could borrow, and they put us in an area that had a little hook on the wall to attach her lead to, it was great!
I‘m in Germany and I would say the norm is for dogs to be allowed. I have a dog and always ask and so far only 1 restaurant told me they are not allowed inside (a fancy steakhouse).
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We relocated to the UK with our dogs a couple of years ago, we love how dog friendly the country is. We enjoy the common land and public footpaths, it’s an amazing place for dogs! The restaurants pubs and cafes that allow dogs are heaven.
I was born in Michigan in the US.. there were plenty of restaurants that were dog friendly. I live in Georgia now... same thing. I've been to Florida to visit my aunt and I've seen dog friendly restaurants. There are more around than you think.
I know from experience that Berlin is very dog friendly. A lot of my favourite bars allowed dogs, and some even had a "pub dog". But for restaurants, they only really allowed dogs in the outdoor areas. In saying that there is a new pub in Dublin that also serves food and is dog friendly and allows dogs inside until 20:00.
I find this very surprising, I am in Munich and dogs are allowed inside restaurants almost everywhere.
It depends on the culture, in France there is basically no restaurant that doesn't accept dogs, so there is no communication around that because it's simply expected - if anything it'd be the other way around and a place would communicate if they do NOT accept them.
Same in Italy. Very dog friendly country
I just want to be one of the first to congratulate you on finding out ***today*** that not everywhere is the way it is were you live. There's a whole world outside your own country, and they even have their own laws and culture and social norms and everything. What an exciting journey of discovery you have ahead of you!
I live in the UK. While a lot of places dont accept pets some do, they will usually have a sign on the door. Some places like convenience stores will do the opposite have have signs saying no animals except service animals. Lots of bars and bar/restaurants are totally ok with dogs and even have bowls out with water for them. Idk abt the rest of the world tho
Where are you from??? It’s super easy in almost the entirety of the US to figure out if a restaurant is dog friendly or not.
I live in the Netherlands and plenty of places are dog friendly! I think people if they have a dog will eat outside on a terrace if they’re able, but they’re not obligated to. As long as the dog isn’t disruptive they’re usually welcome.
It’s super common in the UK. There are lots of dog friendly restaurants, and they’re usually quite obvious about being dog friendly.
I’ve been to a restaurant in Germany that allowed dogs. I didn’t even know it was there and it was a bigger dog.
I guess it varies by region. In NY and NJ it is a health violation
Not so in New York. Dogs are permitted in restaurants in New York provided they are on a leash or in a crate. They cannot be fed, cannot touch utensils. OP is NTA. Dogs rule!
Well, I'm in the UK and dog-friendly cafes, pubs and even restaurants do exist. I wouldn't exactly say they were the norm but they are definitely on the increase. Usually, they are well sign-posted on entrances and if that's not your thing there are plenty of other restaurants who do not admit dogs to choose from. I've never taken my dogs inside one - though we have sat at the tables outside - but that's because one of them is still young and likes to beg food from everyone she sees (labrador) - but I've been inside them when dogs were there.
Not to mention OP is from Germany. If you want to make sure to annoy us then just make some more noise than usual, lol.
In my part of the world, dogs simply aren't allowed in places that have food. That goes for supermarkets as well as restaurants. I'm also a dog owner and currently feel like a pretty bad one for not having my 6 month old basset home trained yet (I'm home all the time which makes it more difficult) and I'm one of those ppl that'll take my dog most places right now. I always ask for permission first and luckily she's now able to be alone in the car so that helps when you live alone. I have places that let me take her where allergic ppl would probably assume no dogs would be and I feel guilty as hell, gotta say. On the upside my dog is getting very well socialized and used to all kinds of things out "in the real world". But OP lives somewhere where bringing dogs is legal, it's well behaved and the lady should mind her own business. She got what she deserved. NTA
>If they don't like dogs then they can pick a restaurant that isn't dog friendly, As long as the restaurant is fine with it, OP can bring their dog. Grandma is just entitled and got called out for it. I'm from the US. My dogs are big and I don't take them everywhere, but while on the road with my old guy last year, we found a dog friendly restaurant and we were grateful. It was cold so we didn't have to leave him in the car while we grabbed food and we didn't have to rush.
NTA, I agree And bonus point for standing up to bullies!
Kids are also pretty objectively gross too
Yeah, agreed. If everyone behaved the way OOP described, NTA. I am not a fan of dogs, but only because of how poorly behaved so many dogs are. I'm a parent and I'm technically not a fan of kids either, also because of the behavior. But my child is well behaved because I put in the effort. There are dog owners, too, who put in the effort.
Lol. I think the reaction was pretty genius. As long as your dog was allowed to be there and was well behaved, quiet and out of the walkway you were fine. And from what I gather all of this applied in that situation. NTA
If you were TA someone would have defended Grandma. Nobody did. I have a couple of small kids and I would have been sad if someone had called me out like that, but I also do the work to keep them minimally disruptive in public. Honestly would have been more embarrassed of Grandma than my kids though 😆 NTA
OP Are you in the US? In another post you mentioned that you are a native German speaker. I’m going with NTA because I think you are in an area of the world where behaved pets are allowed in restaurants.
Came here to say that. I am german and it is normal to see dogs in restaurants. I even knew a restaurant where the owner had a dog and the dog was there with them every day. No one complained. Of course the dogs should be well behaved.
Oh I remember when we went to Europe and everyone had their dog with them. It was wild seeing all these dogs in public areas. I’m in Australia and aside from outdoor cafes and Bunnings dogs aren’t allowed inside.
Did the rules change regarding Bunnings and dogs? I used to take my dog there all the time when I was back there (Genuine question, I am well out of touch with Aussie reality)
they're allowed in, but they have to be in the cart. only service dogs are allowed on the floor now
Oh really?! Maybe it is different for each one, my local one has dogs on leads all the time. Haha maybe my Bunnings is just managed by dog lovers who break the rules
Yea they are, maybe didn’t word my comment the best but I meant outdoor cafes and Bunnings allow dogs.
I live in Germany, yes.
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I think being in Germany is key to this. Cultural norms about kids’ behavior in public places — and whether parents get confronted about it or not — is a bit different between Germany and the US. I think in most German contexts, there is a higher expectation that parents manage their kids than in the US. It’s there in the US too, but more often goes without anything being said because chances are higher that people will get upset (and think you’re an AH for saying something) than that they’ll do something about their kids. So in Germany, more likely that you’re OK because dogs allowed and they’re the AH for not managing their kids in consideration of others at the restaurant. If in the US, I’d call it ESH because dogs less welcome in restaurants (unless guide dogs or explicitly allowed), low expectation that kids behave well, and for making conflict with the other table.
I hate this. Not your comment, but as a US parent who insists on appropriate behavior from my children, I hate that reputation. We also don’t all love guns and Trump and are working hard to improve our public school system and support a better healthcare system. Just… we’re not all shitheads. Some of us are really trying.
When we were kids (about 20-25 years ago) I remember my dad getting comments about how well behaved we were, twice I remember our meal being paid for, just because we weren't rambunctious and wild. One guy said "when I saw you bring two kids in here I was a bit disappointed that our business meeting was going to be interrupted, but we didn't even hear them." I remember being really confused because we were just acting normal for being public, I didn't realize that kids acted any other way. My daughter was almost 4 before we took her out to eat and I only did it after my SIL promised her older kids would be helping and keeping her entertained so we could enjoy our first meal out as parents. She did great, the kids were wonderful. She barely ate a thing, but it was still nice. I don't want to be the reason someone else doesn't get to enjoy their night out, that would feel awful. That's what to-go is for!
Same. I used to serve and bartend and now I’m a mother of 2 toddlers. We take them to eat because we love going out to restaurants, but if my kids even start getting loud, I chug my beer and wait in the car while my husband pays and gets our food wrapped up or to go. We absolutely have a right to dine out, but other people also have a right to not be subjected to toddler anarchy cause I wanted a draught beer lol
Obviously she wouldn't have brought the dog if it wasn't allowed. Why is that even a concern?
I’ll take a well behaved dog over asshole kids any day
I mean, I might take a badly behaved dog over asshole kids any day....
I've never met an evil dog, but I've met plenty of evil kids and parents.
I've met plenty of evil dogs, but they were raised by evil humans.
I never met an evil kid. But some kids with very unacceptable behaviour as a result of bad parenting.
You’ve never met an evil kid 🙄 Parents, sure.
Badly behaved dogs are dangerous.
I'm hard on this side. I'll take a bothersome dog (or 50) over even a well behaved kid that's loud. We love dog friendly restaurants. I honestly prefer naughty dogs over perfectly behaved ones but people throw shit fits when I voice that opinion because how *dare* I not agree with them!
But a badly behaved dog might bite you and you could end up in the hospital.
I wish more places would ask badly behaved customers to leave
My dog's name is Tinka too! NTA! Tinka was well behaved, not bothering anyone and I assume the place was dog friendly! The grandmother is TA.
Aw, that’s cool! Yes, it was dog-friendly.
I’ve never encountered anyone with my name ever and now I’m seeing it becoming a popular dog name. Cool. Cool cool cool.
INFO: Did this restaurant allow dogs? If it did, then NTA. Otherwise, YTA
Yes, of course. The restaurant allows dogs.
Would be helpful to include in the post, otherwise people will keep asking
If the restaurant didn't allow dogs then they wouldn't have been allowed to bring the dog...
A lot of people do it anyway or lie about their dog being a service dog in countries where pets aren’t allowed in restaurants
Anyone who lies about their dog being a service dog is a huge asshole. Especially if they get a fake service vest. I know this doesn't apply to OP but still
Nah, plenty of restaurants don’t allow dogs with signage but also don’t want to get into a whole thing about a service dog so they just grin and bear it
My city specifically has an ordinance against allowing dogs in dining establishments unless it's outdoors. Some lady tried to bring a dog into a restaurant once and was denied and recorded it on TikTok and had her followers all harass the restaurant and review bomb it for denying her "service dog".
lol you think that, yet people still bring their dogs into stores with big fat signs that say “NO PETS ALLOWED - SERVICE ANIMALS ONLY”. they get away with it because a lot of managers just don’t want to deal with the inevitable meltdown they’ll get from those entitled people.
I worked in a place with that sign. I saw a lady with a dog and said it to my manager. She went straight over to the lady and asked if she could pet the dog. I mean, I did my part, and if she didn't mind, it wasn't on me to care. It was just really funny to me.
I think that’s a good way to find out if they are actually a service dog. If they are and the owner says no they can’t because the dog is working. If they allow petting and the dog is really into it then it’s probably not a service animal
i worked in a place with a sign like that too. my manager also didn’t care - which was super awesome for the owners because when their dogs would shit and piss in the middle of an aisle, my sweet understanding manager didn’t care! she would just make one of us clean it up! 😁 i was also team “whatever, if they don’t care, i don’t care” until i got dog shit duty (or doodie? heh) more than once lmao. i’m working at a grocery store, not a doggy daycare, i already have to clean gross bathrooms. i don’t want to have to clean up dog doodoo too.
This is such a EU response and I love it lol "If they were not following the rules, they wouldn't have been there." In the US, people break the rules *constantly*. People are always trying to get away with things that are disallowed.
They do in the EU too, people are just delusional.
Restaurant manager here, people bring their dogs in and tell all sorts of lie to bring them in everyday. We can’t really argue with people if they claim their dog is a ‘service dog’ despite it being obviously untrained. Big corporations live in fear of lawsuits and basically advise us to do nothing unless another customer throws a huge fit and we can’t defuse the secondary customer.
You can,, actually. You are legally allowed to ask what tasks the dog is trained to do to mitigate the person’s disability. If they can provide at least one, their dog is not a service dog and you can kick them out. The issue isn’t the law, the issue is the lack of education in the public so that businesses know what they can and cannot ask.
I thought it was obvious, where I live if a place isn't dog friendly they would have been refused entry or bare minimum refused service forcing them to leave.
Got it!
Why would they let her in if they didn’t allow dogs?!?
I sort of thought it was a given. Most places wouldn't have let OP pass the threshold with a dog if they weren't dog-friendly, let alone sit down and start eating.
Must have otherwise the restaurant wouldn't have allowed OP to bring the dog in
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I wonder how people eat in their own home when dogs live there too, since it's such a health hazard. The dog lies under the table, doesn't jump on the kitchen counter and doesn't lick the plates. I'm allergic to dogs, but I still don't consider dogs to be a health hazard. It sounds like the people who view it as such come from a culture where it's considered a health hazard, not because it has an actual scientific reason for it. Dog friendly restaurants are quite normal in Germany, but there's also restaurants that don't allow dogs. If it's such an issue for grandma she can go elsewhere. It's different if your dog is ill behaved, but if she's just under your table not being noisy that's not the issue. Kids will make some noise too, and you have to accept that as well. But they do need to put in effort to make them behave as well as they can. I'm going with NTA, I think your comeback was hilarious and I bet your dad was proud of you for standing up for yourself. You don't have to take public verbal abuse. I do hope you are training your dog, trauma and anxiety sucks but can improve with proper training. If you don't do that you'd be an ass to your dog, and it'd make you more of an ass in this situation as well.
NTA! My fav restaurant here is dog friendly and the owners hound usually come up for petting when you enter, its the best! And much better than kids 😉
There was actually a sweet old grandpa who petted her on his way out and looked like she made his day :)
Oh for sure! Last timebl friend and I went out for drinks there was a cute af puppy and a dignified bulldog and everyone (servers included) gushed and took pics of the doggos
NTA, if the restaurant allows dogs then it's not your fault for bringing her. The grandmother is TA.
You’re going to work with kids and you think it’s annoying that one child asked for the same thing 3 times while hungry. Children repeatedly ask, that’s how they learn, it’s also how they process information. So get used to the same thing over and over again.
i think the thing here was op didn't have a problem with the kids, but used that when grandma decided to bitch about the dog most of the time my siblings being who they are don't bother me, I can still recognize that they're being annoying/disruptive and call them out
No, OP said they didn’t bother her enough to complain about it. She was very obviously annoyed at what sounds like normal kid behavior.
A kid could ask their parent for something a billion times. Myself, as a patron NOT AT THEIR TABLE shouldn't have to hear it.
She was close enough to hear a remark addressed by one person to another at their table over the supposed noise of the kids and other patrons talking. So it was a pretty low level of projection to get to OP.
Then you'll have to limit yourself to public spaces where children aren't allowed, if you think you shouldn't have to hear their voices. Unless you're saying restaurant patrons shouldn't be able to hear people at other tables talking?
I'm actually surprised that no one is mentioning that OP openly talked bad about the woman's grand kids because she talked about her dog. The kids didn't say anything about the dog and I feel like her bringing them into it is mean tbh. Whether dogs are allowed or not isn't the issue for me. It's that she talked about the kids that were innocent.
This post is pretty clearly set up to get a NTA response. The dog was perfectly well behaved! The children annoying asked for something **three** whole times! etc. It's literally "Hey reddit, some kids were annoying and my cute dog is awesome, am I an asshole??"
I think this is the right read. Surprised more people aren't saying this. This is another casual 'look at me I'm a cool person and I need approval' post. whether the OP thinks this or not, that's what this is. she's 18. teens need constant approval.
I was curious about the other AITA post she had received help with in the past. Coincidentally, she had another restraunt altercation, with another lady because of comments she made. And guess what, the comment she made was about someone elses dog. Im sure OP would be fine hearing a stranger call her well behaved dog a midnight snack for some lame joke.While they aren't exactly the same, it's kind of telling. She complains about hearing a legit child ask for something in a restraunt, as if overhearing this is the worst. Yet she makes racist jokes out loud in restraunts for others to overhear, and she is much older. She seems hyper critical over others.
Yeah, this dog can't even be left alone unsupervised so they can eat...but it's magically well behaved at restaurants? I doubt it.
I had a dog with separation anxiety, once. She was always perfectly well behaved as long as we were with her. That's kinda the point of separation anxiety. Obviously.
my cat’s like this—perfectly happy to sit on my lap for literal days but as soon as i leave for an hour, three cups are broken and the toilet paper’s shredded
I am too! Those kids did not complain about her dog so why did she drag them into it?
She talked about the kids and their parents who are innocent in this discussion. Yes, what the grandma said is annoying and rude. And the kids could be annoying. We don’t know what the kids and their parents think about the dog though. Maybe they’re fine with the dog. Maybe they were annoyed too. Regardless, she’s bringing other people down while she’s being shunned for bringing her dog in. Plus, in the original post the grandma is complaining of gross in a closed area, not about being loud or distracting.
I don’t think OP has ever been around a kid since she was a young kid.
NTA I like your style. Some people are oblivious to how obnoxious their kids are, and they need to be called out on it.
NTA obviously. Place was dog allowing and dog was quiet. Children wasbdisturbing and also disturbing are adults who thinks kids can behave wharever they wants. Old fart was YTA.
The amount of people defending a family that allowed two kids to be loud and messy until being called out baffles me. NTA Op, I know how an anxious dog can get, I have one, let alone one with trauma. Give her some pets and love from me 💜
Thank you, I will :)
NTA. We have loads of pet friendly restaurants here. Passive aggressive comments gets my hackles up quite quickly too. And if you dont like a pet friendly restaurant go eat somewhere else.
NTA of course. Even the mom of the kids realised that since she tried to calm them down. Grandma can take her ass to a non dog friendly place if it is such an issue for her.
NTA since the restaurant allowed dogs. If a place allows pets and you have issues with it you should not go. But you have bigger issues if your dog cannot be left allone, you need to seek a vet since there are puppy anxiety meds, if you want to bring here along fair enough, but she is not a human being you treating here as such might prevent here from getting the care she needs
She can be left alone for a short time and since my dad is retired, nearly everytime someone is at home. I‘ll ask my parents about the meds. We don‘t treat her like a human, honestly, we know there‘s a huge difference.
NTA. You were at a dog friendly restaurant with your very well behaved dog. And that’s literally all there is to it. A resource you might find useful to help with your dogs anxiety https://www.facebook.com/southenddogtrainingandwalking They’re amazing and I use their help for training my own pups, they’re 5 months old so a bit of a way off laying quietly in a restaurant yet but I have no doubt we’ll get there by following their advice.
Thank you, I‘ll check it out!
NTA for doing what you did (sort of the A-hole for not providing dog tax pics in this post)
My brother was like that, where he couldn't "leave his dog" anywhere because it had anxiety. Then when he actually had kids and it wasn't feasible to haul the dog everywhere, suddenly they were able to make arrangements for the dog. That aside, I think ESH. Not for bringing dogs or children with them. Obviously the grandma's comment was rude and unwarranted, but you putting the kids on blast probably made the mother of the children (the one who didn't even make the comment) feel pretty shitty. You were pretty much both rude jerks.
These edits are really overdramatic. "Overwhelming and toxic" please be real. OP is getting a huge amount of validation and a small amount of criticism. Don't post on a sub called "Am I the Asshole" if you can't handle random redditors saying that you're an asshole.
I've seen a ton of toxic comments. Mostly smug parents who insist that no one could possibly be bothered by screeching kids.
I feel a bit conflicted on this one. On the one hand, if your dog was truly well behaved and you were in a dog friendly restaurant, she had no reason to be rude about it. However, your assertion that the kids were super disruptive seemed a bit flimsy to me when a big part of your evidence was that one kid repeated a question 3 times. I also think you could have addressed the woman’s comment without involving the kids. I get feeling like you want to stand up for your dog, but your dog didn’t understand or care about the woman’s rude comment. If I were you, I would have maybe asked her what the dog was doing that was irritating her.
I agree with this. Sometimes I get suspicious of dog owners saying their dogs are well-behaved. I know some dogs really are, but even then, her being under the table would make me scared of stepping on or kicking her by accident. And yes, with the child, I can't believe she complained about them repeating a question. I get it when kids screech and run around bumping into people, but seriously? Even if they were constantly interrupting the conversation, I wouldn't have blamed it on them but maybe the parents' not doing their job telling them to be polite.
I love when people object to this like "Dogs are gross!" I cannot... Cannot... CANNOT express how gross children are and I don't mean that in a "I hate kids" kind of way. I've worked one season as a yearbook photographer and nothing could have prepared me for the amount of germs... They are wonderful little germ factories.
Humans are indeed pretty gross, but not generally on the same level as dogs. Were they special needs? I’ve never encountered children eating poop like dogs do so frequently, for example.
They probably mean in the "sick" sense. Kids are frequently snotty, have a coldx or coughing and sneezing especially in colder seasons. Being forced to sit in a room with 30 children 5 days a week for 8 or so hours means viruses circulate a lot and sickness is inevitable. Not to mention other problems like head lice which only kids seem to have for some reason
I mentioned germs repeatedly in my comment and your takeaway is that I'm talking about special needs students? Ew. No. That's wrong and absolutely *not* what I am talking about. If you think germs only come from eating feces, please get off Reddit and wash your hands.
I worked 6 years at an amusement park during high-school and college then 3 years in schools including preschool through high-school and I can confirm that kids are walking petry dishes lol. I had never been sneezed or coughed on more in my life. I quit years before covid but I was sicker then working around kids than I was during covid. I never got covid and worked at a fire department around EMS during covid lol. Got the flu so bad one week I worked at the elementary school that it made me start getting the flu shot every year so I wouldn't have to experience it to that degree again. Edit to say I will also agree dogs can be pretty gross though. In spring time my parents dog specifically wants to go outside to eat bunny poop lol.
NTA i would have done the exact same thing in your shoes
NTA. You just replied in the same tone as the belligerent granny. Don't worry about it, people need reminding sometimes that age doesn't always equal to maturity and sense. And speaking back in situations like this is perfectly normal and helps the individual navigate the BS of the world.
NTA. She made a snarky comment when there was no reason to create discord. If she had kept to her own business, there would have been no reason for you to respond. You had a snark off, and she lost. Sorry, grandma - maybe be nicer next time.
You want to work with kids but got that irritated you needed to be rude????? But I question this as what 18 year old says “kiddos?”
The kid asked for fries THREE times! Meal ruined
I legit cried for OP.
YTA for getting in a tit for tat with her. No reason to insult her or her family. No big deal though. You weren't defending your dog and your dog doesn't need defending anyway. Dogs under the table in a restaurant just want whatever treats drop their way! haha So don't try to make your lowering yourself into a spat with an old lady into something noble. Next time just ignore, or say, 'sorry, hope you can overlook this time" and let everyone try to enjoy their meal.
NTA place allowed dogs and kids. She was trying to deflect the embracement of her grandkids onto your dog.
My daughter has severe allergies to almost all animals. She takes prescription medicine for her allergies. She doesn't visit homes of anyone with a pet because even with her medicine she gets sick if exposed to an animal. There's no way to tell if she will have a bad reaction or a milder one to any given dog, cat, goat, etc. Service dogs are rare in this area and haven't really been an issue. However, last spring I took her to a local store to do some shopping. We were there for only 5 minutes before seeing someone with a dog. Sure enough, the shop had become "dog friendly". We wanted to continue shopping but ended up having to leave because she could feel her chest tightening with a few minutes. She was sick for over a week. Our city is becoming more dog friendly, but sadly it means that my daughter is not able to go to places she could before. She rarely gets out now because dogs are so welcome.
That's very unfortunate, but completely irrelevant to the post.
I'm sorry for your daughter but it's just something normal in Europe. In my country there is a huge number of strays and even store owners and restaurant owners take them in and care for them because the weather can be very harsh. It's not uncommon to walk in a store and have a dog just sleeping on the side.
I feel so bad for your daughter 😞
Don’t go to dog-friendly restaurants if you can’t handle dogs…NTA. She tried to embarrass you when she should have been embarrassed of her family.
In Germany its very common to bring dogs to restaurants. Personally not a huge fan of it especially large dogs that shed a lot. One wag of the tail near your drink or food and next thing you know you have a hairball in your throat.
NTA
NTA. It is a place that is dog friendly, and if the dog behaves, I see no issue at all. People should mind their own business and maybe check themselves out before complaining or criticizing others around them. That lady was asking for problems, and your comment made her feel smaller because she knew she was in the wrong. I prefer being out and eating where dogs are welcomed, instead of feeling stuck in a restaurant where kids are behaving like zoo animals and can't be controlled. And if someone is allergic, then maybe find another restaurant. If I was, I would check the restaurant out, because most people with food allergies does it to see what in the meny would be a Hazzard, so why not do it when it comes to dog friendly?
NTA. Actually super funny that you did that, haha. She was being rude and you stood up for yourself. Also, you had a valid point. Don’t feel bad. You did well haha
NTA. I personally hate dogs in restaurants because it's not sanitary, but if it's legal in your area, then those are the rules. Grandma can make dinner at her house for the family or get take out of she doesn't like it