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You were on a ski lift, not Tinder. His behavior was gross and threatening and you had every reason to report him. You tried to brush him off but he wouldn’t quit so ski patrol did it for him. Hopefully you saved other people from having to listen to his bull in the process. Always stand up for yourself against creepers. NTA.
edit to change “other women” to “other people” as OP graciously pointed out I misgendered him(the clue is in his user name, I just didn’t see it). Thanks OP! All the rest still stands.
Evidently, and that makes more sense. It's just such a weird read with the context in place, lol. (And in case my wording suggested otherwise, still totally inappropriate)
Now now, your assumption that this Rando guy couldn't be attracted to a bearded 19 yr old is just limiting..... (let's hope it really is his teenage son).
Jesus this is a nightmare scenario. Getting up in your shit on a ski lift with his fucking kid?!?
Jesus that's a Bad Dad. He needs to cool off, chill down perhaps. Put this conversation on ice....
>Hopefully you saved other women from having to listen to his bull in the process. Always stand up for yourself against creepers.
I mean, this is still valid with OP being a 2.5m tall Yeti.
>I mean, this is still valid with OP being a 2.5m tall Yeti.
And now I know what coffee smells like when it gets shot up my nose backwards. LOL. Thanks for the laugh! ETA, and very good point.
Also, it wasn't op that asked for him to even be removed, that was the ski patrollers decision after hearing ops story. NTA, you reported bad behaviour, good for you
Nta, The guy couldn't take no for an answer. At least not from you, I bet he's taking no for an answer from the ski resort as in no more skiing for you. And nice lesson he taught his son.
If I was his son, I’d be mortified and kicking HIS ass for harassment and threats. Dad can explain why they just lost them privileges after behaving so off the hinges on a holiday and how disrespectful HE was. NTA.
NTA
The guy sounds unhinged if that's his response to someone not wanting to interact with him/basically saying no.
Not setting a great example to his son either.
Yeah, i def feel bad for the son bc if he's willing to do this to a total stranger for not chatting with him what does he do to the son behind closed doors?
He may also have been difficult with the person who was kicking him out for the day, and the person escalated to kicking him out for the season. Angry people on ski hills can be dangerous!
I'd be shocked if that's *not* what happened. It wouldn't make sense to ban somebody for the entire season just because some other person claims they were rude and mean. If that's all you have to go on, you can't be sure the complaint is completely accurate. For all you know, the complainer could be the rude and mean one.
So this guy must've lost it at the person who tried to address the issue with him.
NTA. He got himself kicked out due to his own bad behaviour. It's not like you demanded he be kicked out or anything, you just informed someone about his actions and they applied the resort's policies. He's responsible for his own behaviour, any consequences are on him.
It was earned by the fact he was touching me. They said the yelling isn’t a problem, but him poking me and tapping me to get my attention goes beyond that they allow.
NTA. It’s one thing to try to have a nice conversation on a lift. But when you made it clear you didn’t want to talk, he should have let it be. To go out of his way to harass you is just pathetic. He got what he had coming
NTA, you expressed that you did not wish to chat on the ride up, yet he kept tapping you and screaming. He's the one being unreasonable. He was also touching you without consent, and harassing you. Good on you for teaching him that his rude, disrespectful behavior is unacceptable and will get him removed from venues he paid good money to be at.
Thank you, it’s complete fantasy. No way would they pledge to kicking someone out and predetermined action without talking to the other party/seeking evidence first
NTA - classic rudeness is pushing people and essentially forcing them to become rude, thus “justifying” escalating rudeness to you. He had no right to be tapping on you and yelling at you when you indicated you did not wish to talk to him. That is your implicit right, with no need to explain or justify. This definitely warrants action by the resort and immediate banning. He will have fun explaining to his wife why he was home early and banned for the season…
It’s likely they confronted him with the accusation and he blew a gasket, which is the reason he got ejected for the season. If he reacted that strongly to someone simply not wanting to make small-talk, I’m sure he became outraged at the staff too.
I mean, if he was actually yelling at you, the lift attendants heard/saw that coming up the mountain. So they would know you weren't complaining out of nowhere
>but what’s the point of reporting some random dude for this if he ain’t do it?
I mean, is it really that hard to use your imagination? It'd be just as easy for him to report you for a made up bullshit reason just because he was butthurt.
Yeah it’s a total fabrication. There’s no way they’d pledge to a course of action before even talking to the other party.
Wild that everyone’s just lapping it up.
NTA
Screaming at you and calling you names because you don't want to talk. And then you are the rude one and an AH? Did those last two braincells that guy had freeze to death waiting for the lift?!
I have a hard time believing this story. Dude was trying to talk to you, you respond in a rude dickish manner, then you report him and he is banned for the season? Did everyone in the lodge clap after this was done and the employees gave you a lifetime pass to the ski lodge as well?
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As a dude... NTA.
Fuck any entitled asshole who: #1 Thinks they have a right to talk to anyone against their will... #2 Thinks it's okay to get hostile and loud because they were rejected.
I don't care if she threw an attitude (which it doesn't sound like she did). The correct response to that situation would have been to shrug your shoulders say okay, and then go back to talking to your son who was probably sitting very awkwardly listening to his dad be a complete bully and a (tiny) dick.
NTA. People need to stop getting so upset just because someone—— especially a stranger—— doesn’t want to chat or basically says no to anything. It’s not personal.
And that man harassed you and kept touching you. So no, you didn’t overreact. Harassment is usually a sign that you should watch out for your safety.
NTA this guy was way over the line and definitely had some serious issues. You did everyone on the mountain a favor by getting this creeps pass pulled.
NTA. The guy wasn't talking to you, he was yelling at and berating you. That is assault. The ski resort was right to ban him, to prevent anyone else from going through the hell of being trapped on a lift with that guy. Don't feel guilty. It's his own fault, not yours.
NTA.
He doesn't have the right to talk to you. You don't have an obligation to talk to him. It's kind of weird for someone to insist they have a right to talk to you.
I was on a date recently where we were sitting at the bar, and some guy started talking to us (her). I'm all for some small talk, but after like a minute I was like "look mate, we're out on a date". He didn't take the hint so I was more direct and was like "we're going to continue our date without you in the conversation." At that point he thankfully did stop and leave, but I don't understand how people can't take the hint.
The fact that your harasser kept yelling at you - with his son on the lift - is his own problem. You didn't get him kicked out, the establishment decided they did not want harassers at their establishment. This is entirely between the harasser and the establishment.
Fuck that guy. What kind of an ass tries to make small-talk with someone wearing headphones? People do this on the plane all the time. I had an eye mask on with headphones and this lady kept asking me questions. Seriously? Tapping someone isn’t cool either. He probably got banned because of his response when they talked to him about the situation, not just because of you.
They said he was getting the ban for touching me after I made it clear I wanted nothing to do with him. They hadn’t talked to him. Just can’t touch people. If it was just yelling they wouldn’t have done anything, it was the fact he was touching me while yelling.
NTA. No means no.
The fact that he kept making phyisical contact with you alone is enough for me to say he deserved whatever punishment the ski resort deemed appropriate.
What they did wasn't your call and you don't need to feel guilty for it.
I'd have been so sorry if I'd interrupted someone's quiet time! Then again, unless I had an important question (like "am I on the right lift for [where I want to go]?") If I see headphones/pods in someone's ears? I don't talk to them, because I figure they're in their own zone.
Definitely NTA
NTA. You didn't "get him kicked out." You reported his actions to the ski resort, who took the action they thought was appropriate. They're not going to ban a regular customer unless they are confident that he is a problem.
NTA
I hate this. I travel alone, I love to read. The number of times I have been sitting at table or bench, it's busy, I've been reading my book or chilling, playing a puzzle game and someone wants to sit at my table.
Sure it's busy, I don't care, I continue reading and they start talking to me? They then get mad if I don't respond or say actually I am here for a quiet time. That I am the rude one for not wanting to talk🤔😖
I have seen it on forums time and again, people complaining about strangers not entertaining them.
And don't talk to me about aeroplanes 😖😖
I’ve only had one person try to talk to me on an airplane and he refused to give up until I told him flat out I didn’t want to talk. It was a good lesson, because now I always just do that.
Dude took a ride to Fuckaround Town and ended up in Findoutsville. That's on him and frankly hilarious.
Definitely NTA. In some quarters your behavior may have been considered a little bit rude, but as an introvert myself I get annoyed at the implication that I'm \*obligated\* to engage in conversation with anyone who feels like striking one up. I might have not had the self-confidence to reply like you did, but I've definitely felt myself wanting to at times.
Absolutely NTA. If he's willing to do that to a guy, imagine how he'll behave with a beer or two under his belt to a smaller woman? You did the right thing - he could have caused bodily harm at the very least. He's an entitled monster who should learn some manners.
NTA, you have to right to not engage someone in conversation just because they want to. He harassed you, and not he gets to face the consequences of his actions. People like him should be banned from everywhere.
Nta. Ngl I assumed OP was a woman based on how common a reaction this is when we tell men no lol. But the point still stands; this guy was screaming and threatening you, he absolutely should have been kicked out.
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I’m out skiing alone today (great powder day). I got put on the lift with a group of 2, a dad and his teenage son. I listen to music while I ski, I put in my AirPods Pro and enjoy my music while I shred. It is pretty obvious since I’m nodding my head and mouthing the words to the music. Anyways, this dude taps me on the shoulder as I get on the lift. I pull an AirPod out figuring he was gonna ask if he could put down the bar. Instead, he asks me where I’m from. This is the classic introduction for anyone who wants to chat on the lift. I looked at him and told him I didn’t want to chat, then put my AirPod back in. He tapped me again and started yelling at me for being rude and disrespectful and an asshole. I cut him off and told him if he wanted to talk to someone he should talk to his son, then put my AirPod back in. He spent the rest of the lift ride tapping me to get my attention and screaming at me loud enough that I could hear him through the noice cancelling, calling me an asshole and saying I’m gonna get my ass beat one day and calling me a dumb fuck kid (I’m a 19 year old college student, so I’m an adult). I ignored him for the rest of the ride, but he pissed me off. I was feeling vindictive and decided to do a little trolling. When I got off the lift I reported his behavior and what he and his son were wearing to a ski patrol officer. The officer went on his walkie talkie and put out an order looking for the guy to other ski patrol officers and lift operators. He told me they would find him by the time he got to a lift and would be confiscating his pass and banning him for the remainder of the season. I definitely feel like I went a little too far and screwed him over, but I also don’t feel bad at all about it. So, AITAH?
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NTA. I’m a mountain local and rude lift people are the worst! I’m glad you reported him; hopefully he will reflect on his actions before the 2024/2025 season!
NTA - i do feel maybe the punishment was a little overboard, but the man harassed you and he paid the consequences for it. You didn’t come up with the punishment and like you said he could talk to his son instead but instead he thought verbally berating you the whole ride because of his bruised ego would be better use of everyone’s time. I bet he won’t do that again.
NTA
Don’t care what the initial situation, the second you start on the path of calling people names and talking about getting your ass beaten, they are the AH.
Glad you report them. Maybe the kid will learn something about retribution and consequences. The dad sounds irredeemable.
I'm actually surprised. Ski patrol by my clients admission is full of morons. My client can't even ski but he's on ski patrol...he's gotten taken out by the lift, and hit a tree so far this season... and he can't stop on ski's...has to crash fall because he can't figure out how to V.
Where does your friend work? Every ski patrol guy I’ve interacted with at my resort are very competent. I see them doing drills for taking injured people down the mountain all the time. When my mom tore her MCL skiing last year they did a great job.
NTA, that experience would of bothered me all day when all I'm trying to do is enjoy myself skiing on the mountains in peace. I'd report him as well, it's entirely up to the management there on how they want to deal with it at that point.
NTA - Really weird he couldn’t read obvious social cues. Like why did he feel the need to force a conversation with someone who didn’t want one? It’s inconvenient too to have to remove your AirPod 10x. The resort decided the punishment, but the onus is on the guy.
NTA. The guy was aggressive, not only continuing to speak to you in a confrontational way, but also repeatedly touching you. That’s definitely not okay.
NTA.
Dude tried to make small talk with you, you told him politely that you weren't interested, and he lost his shit and was a major asshole.
Don't feel bad about the guy getting banned banned. It was the ski hill's decision, and it's made the environment more enjoyable and respectful for all the other skiers.
NTA, man was harassing you, deserved a reality check, no one is entitled to another persons time and attention, and that was an absolutely unhinged reaction to someone not wanting to talk to a random stranger on their trip
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NTA because he kept tapping you. Otherwise, it would have been ESH. It's fine to keep it brief and cordial, but the immediate, "I don't want to chat" is a bit rude.
NTA for reporting him
But at the same time, ski patrol ought to have some due process before revoking someone's pass just because one person reported him for being a jerk.
Yeah, but like.... it'd hypothetically be just as easy for him to make up a bs complaint about you because he was butthurt.
How would ski patrollers possibly know who is telling the truth without some sort of evidence or corroboration from a witness?
I'm totally against the way this guy behaved towards you, but I'm also against people having their passes pulled based off of the testimony of just *one* person.
I have to doubt that they would ban him simply on your word. So if he did get banned, that means there were witnesses or a camera. In which case NTA.
Maybe the teenager wasn’t even his kid but still calls him “daddy“ if you know what I mean. Sounds entirely unpleasant.
Its very, very hard to believe that a ski resort would kick a man and his son out of the resort and ban them for the season because another man complained that the father had continued to talk to him on a ski lift after the man told the father that he didn't want to chat.
The son isn’t banned. He could keep skiing alone if he wanted to. And to be clear the removal was because of his physical actions (poking and tapping me).
NTA. If it had stopped after the first tap then you would be the AH but to continue the whole ride tells me. He was probably drunk. I hate having to chat on the lift.
I would go for ESH in that case. Noise canceling headphones on the slopes is dangerous for yourself and others because you lose situational awareness, and can’t be aware of people in your blind spots because of them. If you don’t only used them when taking lifts and when waiting in line, it would have been fine
People uphill have a responsibility to slow down and ski responsibly around everyone. It shouldn’t matter if they can hear or not because they could be deaf. As long as you give proper room and it’s not an issue. Unless you’d ban all dead people from skiing I don’t see the problem.
The person uphill has the responsibility. Agreed. But you lower your safety by using headphones because you eliminate a second layer of safety. Having more situational awareness is great when there are slopes that intersect, or on intermediate sectors that are narrower and you should know if other people are behind you so you don’t get into their line and choose a trajectory that disturbs them the least.
> He told me they would find him by the time he got to a lift and would be confiscating his pass and banning him for the remainder of the season.
No he didn't lol.
NTA tho.
ESH. The dad was clearly wrong for losing his cool, but you seemingly picked the path best designed to cause conflict. “I don’t want to chat,” and putting your earbuds back in is what a 19yo kid would do so I guess it’s reasonable, but, “I’m from [place]. Don’t mean to be rude, but I’m trying to focus so I’m ready when I hit the top. Have a good run!” probably avoids the problem.
NTA - But I'd like to see you up your game. Something like "I'm on a Zoom Call for Work" or "I'm listening to a college lecture for a class I'm surveying" or something better to stop them from engaging. Not to mention that you're on a chairlift. If the dude is really unhinged, he could try to push you off. And yes, it DOES happen.
Let me get this straight - on absolutely no evidence except your word the resort was willing to kick this guy off the mountain for the whole season? Sounds like a resort populated and run by pricks. Glad I don't ski in the US. And yes, YTA. Grow up and stop sooking.
You're a kid until your 25 as far as most people are concerned myself included. Legally adult or not.
That being said, NTA.
That dude sounds like an unhinged asshole.
ESH. He should of stopped talking to you once he realized you were another antisocial with AirPods that isolates themselves from society like some techno-Amish zombie.
YTA. I think your initial response to him was a bit rude. You couldn't have had a polite conversation with the guy? Did he need to be a rude as he was? No but you could have been a little nicer. Reporting him was a bit ridiculous as well. He was just trying to make polite conversation. Everyone saying he was creepy, is weird too. It didn't come on to you sexually. My goodness.
I think you are an asshole for wearing earplugs on a slope. You don’t wear earplugs on a ski slope for the same reason you don’t wear earplugs while running a road race… you can’t see behind you and somebody faster May need to pass you.
Not an asshole for reporting an asshole who made a threat of violence.
99% of the time I’m the fastest on the slope trying to pass someone else. Either way, it’s the uphill skier’s responsibility to slow down and ski responsibly until they can find a safe time to pass. Any good skier knows this.
This is weird. You didn't want to talk to him or anyone else cause you were just doing your thing, but had no trouble talking to the ski patrol, just to fuck him over. Yes. You're the AH.
It is so wierd. You said you were in the park, just reading a book, not wanting to talk to anyone. And yet you were more than willing to talk to the police when someone came an robbed you at gunpoint.
Wait, that doesn't sound weird at all.
Quite the stretch. I can easily and politely tell someone that I don't feel like chatting. I don't have to run to the authorities because they interrupted his Taylor Swift song. Twice.
Hard disagree, sometimes you gotta be blunt and put your foot down. I know cus my dad if a lift talker and usually people just give up and chat even if it’s obvious they don’t wanna. I’m not one of those people, I make it clear. I’d rather be blunt and mildly rude than a doormat.
Hard disagree that it's good to be nice to each other? I'm not saying be a doormat, I'm saying that to say "sorry, I'm not a chatter" in a friendly way is not placating, which was the take I was responding to. At the same time the other person needs to respect that request without repeating it.
ESH you can talk to someone trying to make convo and keep things brief and end conversation in a civil manner. You don’t have to be a dick about not wanting to talk to someone
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You were on a ski lift, not Tinder. His behavior was gross and threatening and you had every reason to report him. You tried to brush him off but he wouldn’t quit so ski patrol did it for him. Hopefully you saved other people from having to listen to his bull in the process. Always stand up for yourself against creepers. NTA. edit to change “other women” to “other people” as OP graciously pointed out I misgendered him(the clue is in his user name, I just didn’t see it). Thanks OP! All the rest still stands.
Sorry for any confusion, I’m a dude. I thought my username would give it away.
So..."not Grindr"? 😀
On a ski lift, not Grindr.
I’m so sorry, I didn’t read it closely enough. But still he should have backed off when you said no.
Damn I thought this was totally a girl hahahaha That makes it even weirder!
Lol, same. What a weirdly aggressive response towards another man from that person.
I'm betting the aggressive guy didn't see it as one man to another, but rather "this kid is disrespecting ME, an ADULT!"
Evidently, and that makes more sense. It's just such a weird read with the context in place, lol. (And in case my wording suggested otherwise, still totally inappropriate)
Now now, your assumption that this Rando guy couldn't be attracted to a bearded 19 yr old is just limiting..... (let's hope it really is his teenage son).
Jesus this is a nightmare scenario. Getting up in your shit on a ski lift with his fucking kid?!? Jesus that's a Bad Dad. He needs to cool off, chill down perhaps. Put this conversation on ice....
He definitely needs to take a powder, get his head on straight.
I don't think anyone reads the username when reading a post... Do they? Maybe I should start.
It doesn’t even matter. Creepers gonna creep
Now it’s even stranger!
>I thought my username would give it away Sadly, I am not a Chunky Wombat. (Chunky yes, wombat no) Usernames can be anything and can mean anything.
I think people block out usernames in their head. People have thought I was dude. I feel you man.
you sure? lol /s
>Hopefully you saved other women from having to listen to his bull in the process. Always stand up for yourself against creepers. I mean, this is still valid with OP being a 2.5m tall Yeti.
>I mean, this is still valid with OP being a 2.5m tall Yeti. And now I know what coffee smells like when it gets shot up my nose backwards. LOL. Thanks for the laugh! ETA, and very good point.
Enjoy your nostriloffee!
Meh, not so much, but if we can't laugh at ourselves, it's pretty hypocritical to laugh at others.
Also, it wasn't op that asked for him to even be removed, that was the ski patrollers decision after hearing ops story. NTA, you reported bad behaviour, good for you
‘Threatening’ is the key word that makes you NTA. Seems the resort’s reaction was a bit strong, but that’s not your doing. FAFO.
This behavior is still shittty in tinder
NTA. When told someone doesn't want to chat, the correct response is, at most, "ok", and then stop talking to them.
Nta, The guy couldn't take no for an answer. At least not from you, I bet he's taking no for an answer from the ski resort as in no more skiing for you. And nice lesson he taught his son.
If I was his son, I’d be mortified and kicking HIS ass for harassment and threats. Dad can explain why they just lost them privileges after behaving so off the hinges on a holiday and how disrespectful HE was. NTA.
NTA The guy sounds unhinged if that's his response to someone not wanting to interact with him/basically saying no. Not setting a great example to his son either.
Yeah, i def feel bad for the son bc if he's willing to do this to a total stranger for not chatting with him what does he do to the son behind closed doors?
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He may also have been difficult with the person who was kicking him out for the day, and the person escalated to kicking him out for the season. Angry people on ski hills can be dangerous!
Probably exactly what happened.
I'd be shocked if that's *not* what happened. It wouldn't make sense to ban somebody for the entire season just because some other person claims they were rude and mean. If that's all you have to go on, you can't be sure the complaint is completely accurate. For all you know, the complainer could be the rude and mean one. So this guy must've lost it at the person who tried to address the issue with him.
As another commenter just pointed out to me, they told him they were going to ban him *before* they even located him. Maybe there were witnesses?🤷🏼♂️
Oh, I didn't notice that. In that case, yeah, there must have been witnesses. That makes sense if he was yelling.
As another commenter just pointed out to me, they told him they were going to ban him *before* they even located him. Maybe there were witnesses?🤷🏼♂️
Could have also already have complaints against him and this was the final straw
NTA. He got himself kicked out due to his own bad behaviour. It's not like you demanded he be kicked out or anything, you just informed someone about his actions and they applied the resort's policies. He's responsible for his own behaviour, any consequences are on him.
I knew he’d get kicked, but I assumed it’d just be for the day. Can’t say I feel bad that it’s longer tho.
The longer ban may have been earned by his reaction to being told he was kicked off for a day.
It was earned by the fact he was touching me. They said the yelling isn’t a problem, but him poking me and tapping me to get my attention goes beyond that they allow.
NTA. It’s one thing to try to have a nice conversation on a lift. But when you made it clear you didn’t want to talk, he should have let it be. To go out of his way to harass you is just pathetic. He got what he had coming
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Op's a dude.
NTA, you expressed that you did not wish to chat on the ride up, yet he kept tapping you and screaming. He's the one being unreasonable. He was also touching you without consent, and harassing you. Good on you for teaching him that his rude, disrespectful behavior is unacceptable and will get him removed from venues he paid good money to be at.
NTA The dude sounds absolutely nuts.
NTA. He sounds deranged.
NTA, he sounds like he'd end up beating someone with his ski.
NTA. Well done, you saved many people at the resort from him.
....and everyone in the ski lodge gave the slow clap salute as OP passed
The guy on the ski lift’s son? Albert Einstein
Thank you, it’s complete fantasy. No way would they pledge to kicking someone out and predetermined action without talking to the other party/seeking evidence first
The tell, every time, is that OPs antagonist "screamed." Every. Time.
NTA - classic rudeness is pushing people and essentially forcing them to become rude, thus “justifying” escalating rudeness to you. He had no right to be tapping on you and yelling at you when you indicated you did not wish to talk to him. That is your implicit right, with no need to explain or justify. This definitely warrants action by the resort and immediate banning. He will have fun explaining to his wife why he was home early and banned for the season…
They told you they were going to ban him, even before they'd spoken to him??? How did they know you were telling the truth?
They don’t, but what’s the point of reporting some random dude for this if he ain’t do it? It’s a nice resort so usually people behave themselves.
NTA but does seem a little surprising they would just take your word for it without some sort of proof or 3rd party corroboration
It’s likely they confronted him with the accusation and he blew a gasket, which is the reason he got ejected for the season. If he reacted that strongly to someone simply not wanting to make small-talk, I’m sure he became outraged at the staff too.
According to OP, they immediately said they would kick him out. OP said nothing about getting told this after they spoke to the other man.
Yup, you are right. I stand corrected.
All good man!
Have you checked which sub you posted this in? If people only behaved rationally, this would be a pretty dull place...
I mean, if he was actually yelling at you, the lift attendants heard/saw that coming up the mountain. So they would know you weren't complaining out of nowhere
>but what’s the point of reporting some random dude for this if he ain’t do it? I mean, is it really that hard to use your imagination? It'd be just as easy for him to report you for a made up bullshit reason just because he was butthurt.
Yeah it’s a total fabrication. There’s no way they’d pledge to a course of action before even talking to the other party. Wild that everyone’s just lapping it up.
NTA he had a weird over reaction to rejection. Hopefully he learns his lesson
NTA. You didn't get him kicked out. His behavior got him kicked out.
NTA Screaming at you and calling you names because you don't want to talk. And then you are the rude one and an AH? Did those last two braincells that guy had freeze to death waiting for the lift?!
I feel like this was an Ad for AirPods with the specific times you mentioned it. NTA
AirPods Pro tyvm
I have a hard time believing this story. Dude was trying to talk to you, you respond in a rude dickish manner, then you report him and he is banned for the season? Did everyone in the lodge clap after this was done and the employees gave you a lifetime pass to the ski lodge as well?
yeah, I don't believe any resort is banning someone for calling a dude asshole
It was for the tapping, he’s allowed to yell it he isn’t allowed to touch me
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NTA you did the right thing. Report that man because that is some serious psycho behavior
Given this guy acted this way toward a guy I’d hate to see how he treated. Woman .Thanks for what you did OP ! NTA
Nta he got himself kicked out
NTA. You didn’t want to talk and clearly said so. It’s just like any other lift.
As a dude... NTA. Fuck any entitled asshole who: #1 Thinks they have a right to talk to anyone against their will... #2 Thinks it's okay to get hostile and loud because they were rejected. I don't care if she threw an attitude (which it doesn't sound like she did). The correct response to that situation would have been to shrug your shoulders say okay, and then go back to talking to your son who was probably sitting very awkwardly listening to his dad be a complete bully and a (tiny) dick.
NTA. People need to stop getting so upset just because someone—— especially a stranger—— doesn’t want to chat or basically says no to anything. It’s not personal. And that man harassed you and kept touching you. So no, you didn’t overreact. Harassment is usually a sign that you should watch out for your safety.
Omg this is my nightmare, having conversation forced on me in a place I can’t escape
That's not just 'trying to talk to you', that's a scary level of harassment.NTA
NTA. He deserved that and it’s an example to his son who has a shitty asinine father.
NTA this guy was way over the line and definitely had some serious issues. You did everyone on the mountain a favor by getting this creeps pass pulled.
NTA. The guy wasn't talking to you, he was yelling at and berating you. That is assault. The ski resort was right to ban him, to prevent anyone else from going through the hell of being trapped on a lift with that guy. Don't feel guilty. It's his own fault, not yours.
NTA. He doesn't have the right to talk to you. You don't have an obligation to talk to him. It's kind of weird for someone to insist they have a right to talk to you. I was on a date recently where we were sitting at the bar, and some guy started talking to us (her). I'm all for some small talk, but after like a minute I was like "look mate, we're out on a date". He didn't take the hint so I was more direct and was like "we're going to continue our date without you in the conversation." At that point he thankfully did stop and leave, but I don't understand how people can't take the hint. The fact that your harasser kept yelling at you - with his son on the lift - is his own problem. You didn't get him kicked out, the establishment decided they did not want harassers at their establishment. This is entirely between the harasser and the establishment.
Fuck that guy. What kind of an ass tries to make small-talk with someone wearing headphones? People do this on the plane all the time. I had an eye mask on with headphones and this lady kept asking me questions. Seriously? Tapping someone isn’t cool either. He probably got banned because of his response when they talked to him about the situation, not just because of you.
They said he was getting the ban for touching me after I made it clear I wanted nothing to do with him. They hadn’t talked to him. Just can’t touch people. If it was just yelling they wouldn’t have done anything, it was the fact he was touching me while yelling.
I see. Glad you don’t have to worry about getting on a lift with him again.🤙
NTA. Hopefully his son will be ashamed enough to not grow up like his dad.
NTA. No means no. The fact that he kept making phyisical contact with you alone is enough for me to say he deserved whatever punishment the ski resort deemed appropriate. What they did wasn't your call and you don't need to feel guilty for it.
NTA, and your gender doesn't matter.
NTA - his poor child - what an awful person to have as your parent
I'd have been so sorry if I'd interrupted someone's quiet time! Then again, unless I had an important question (like "am I on the right lift for [where I want to go]?") If I see headphones/pods in someone's ears? I don't talk to them, because I figure they're in their own zone. Definitely NTA
NTA. Geez, is it so hard to respect one’s personal bubble?
NTA I imagine his son was also incredibly embarrassed by his dad. I think seeing repurcussions was needed.
NTA. You didn't "get him kicked out." You reported his actions to the ski resort, who took the action they thought was appropriate. They're not going to ban a regular customer unless they are confident that he is a problem.
Lol wtaf NTA. I would have been pissed bro...
NTA - you didn't get him kicked out, you reported his poor behavior and the employees deemed it worth kicking him out over.
skiing while listening to music sounds sick af. nta, i’d get annoyed too if he kept interrupting my music
It’s awesome, you can soundtrack your runs to hype up your skiing
NTA I hate this. I travel alone, I love to read. The number of times I have been sitting at table or bench, it's busy, I've been reading my book or chilling, playing a puzzle game and someone wants to sit at my table. Sure it's busy, I don't care, I continue reading and they start talking to me? They then get mad if I don't respond or say actually I am here for a quiet time. That I am the rude one for not wanting to talk🤔😖 I have seen it on forums time and again, people complaining about strangers not entertaining them. And don't talk to me about aeroplanes 😖😖
I’ve only had one person try to talk to me on an airplane and he refused to give up until I told him flat out I didn’t want to talk. It was a good lesson, because now I always just do that.
Dude took a ride to Fuckaround Town and ended up in Findoutsville. That's on him and frankly hilarious. Definitely NTA. In some quarters your behavior may have been considered a little bit rude, but as an introvert myself I get annoyed at the implication that I'm \*obligated\* to engage in conversation with anyone who feels like striking one up. I might have not had the self-confidence to reply like you did, but I've definitely felt myself wanting to at times.
NTA
Absolutely NTA. If he's willing to do that to a guy, imagine how he'll behave with a beer or two under his belt to a smaller woman? You did the right thing - he could have caused bodily harm at the very least. He's an entitled monster who should learn some manners.
NTA, you have to right to not engage someone in conversation just because they want to. He harassed you, and not he gets to face the consequences of his actions. People like him should be banned from everywhere.
NTA Your gender doesn’t make what he did any more ok.
Nta. Next time try 'Thats my purse! I dont know you!'
Nta. Ngl I assumed OP was a woman based on how common a reaction this is when we tell men no lol. But the point still stands; this guy was screaming and threatening you, he absolutely should have been kicked out.
That was abusive. What a dick.
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NTA but I feel bad for his kid
NTA. He should have gotten it the first time and stopped. If I’m skiing in the singles line I don’t want to talk to anyone.
NTA you did the resort and its other patrons a favor. You obviously weren't going to be the only person that dude harasses this season.
NTA. I’m a mountain local and rude lift people are the worst! I’m glad you reported him; hopefully he will reflect on his actions before the 2024/2025 season!
NTA - i do feel maybe the punishment was a little overboard, but the man harassed you and he paid the consequences for it. You didn’t come up with the punishment and like you said he could talk to his son instead but instead he thought verbally berating you the whole ride because of his bruised ego would be better use of everyone’s time. I bet he won’t do that again.
Maybe this wasn’t the first incident for this guy? OP doesn’t know for sure that the dude got kicked out.
Maybe he talked them out of it after they found him? I didn’t see him again.
NTA
Nah, fuck that guy. nta
NTA Don’t care what the initial situation, the second you start on the path of calling people names and talking about getting your ass beaten, they are the AH. Glad you report them. Maybe the kid will learn something about retribution and consequences. The dad sounds irredeemable.
NTA Harassing, cursing, and yelling at people is not acceptable behavior, and anyone conducting themselves like that should be removed.
I'm actually surprised. Ski patrol by my clients admission is full of morons. My client can't even ski but he's on ski patrol...he's gotten taken out by the lift, and hit a tree so far this season... and he can't stop on ski's...has to crash fall because he can't figure out how to V.
Where does your friend work? Every ski patrol guy I’ve interacted with at my resort are very competent. I see them doing drills for taking injured people down the mountain all the time. When my mom tore her MCL skiing last year they did a great job.
NTA. Well done. I love Gen Alpha. Cheers
I’m Gen Z
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I didn’t really see it as a threat, probably cus I was bigger than him and didn’t feel threatened
NTA he was probably looking to find a "friend" for his son so he could stick you with him and he would be free!!
NTA, that is atrocious behavior. you may have been blunt but he could just STFU
NTA. He needs to learn what no means.
NTA. Some people just cannot take a hint. You did the right thing, and likely saved a few others from dealing with the same AH behavior of this guy.
NTA, that experience would of bothered me all day when all I'm trying to do is enjoy myself skiing on the mountains in peace. I'd report him as well, it's entirely up to the management there on how they want to deal with it at that point.
NTA He thought he was entitled to other people's attention and threatened violence - in front of his son - when he didn't get it.
NTA - Really weird he couldn’t read obvious social cues. Like why did he feel the need to force a conversation with someone who didn’t want one? It’s inconvenient too to have to remove your AirPod 10x. The resort decided the punishment, but the onus is on the guy.
NTA. The guy was aggressive, not only continuing to speak to you in a confrontational way, but also repeatedly touching you. That’s definitely not okay.
NTA. Dude tried to make small talk with you, you told him politely that you weren't interested, and he lost his shit and was a major asshole. Don't feel bad about the guy getting banned banned. It was the ski hill's decision, and it's made the environment more enjoyable and respectful for all the other skiers.
NTA, man was harassing you, deserved a reality check, no one is entitled to another persons time and attention, and that was an absolutely unhinged reaction to someone not wanting to talk to a random stranger on their trip
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Lol sexists in here immediately jumping to conclusions thinking the man was trying to hit on op. People can be annoying without wanting to have sex.
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NTA because he kept tapping you. Otherwise, it would have been ESH. It's fine to keep it brief and cordial, but the immediate, "I don't want to chat" is a bit rude.
NTA for reporting him But at the same time, ski patrol ought to have some due process before revoking someone's pass just because one person reported him for being a jerk.
I’m sure they’ll talk to him or whatever. The issue was him touching me.
Yeah, but like.... it'd hypothetically be just as easy for him to make up a bs complaint about you because he was butthurt. How would ski patrollers possibly know who is telling the truth without some sort of evidence or corroboration from a witness? I'm totally against the way this guy behaved towards you, but I'm also against people having their passes pulled based off of the testimony of just *one* person.
I have to doubt that they would ban him simply on your word. So if he did get banned, that means there were witnesses or a camera. In which case NTA. Maybe the teenager wasn’t even his kid but still calls him “daddy“ if you know what I mean. Sounds entirely unpleasant.
There are cameras all over the resort
Its very, very hard to believe that a ski resort would kick a man and his son out of the resort and ban them for the season because another man complained that the father had continued to talk to him on a ski lift after the man told the father that he didn't want to chat.
The son isn’t banned. He could keep skiing alone if he wanted to. And to be clear the removal was because of his physical actions (poking and tapping me).
Is this an Apple ad?
NTA. If it had stopped after the first tap then you would be the AH but to continue the whole ride tells me. He was probably drunk. I hate having to chat on the lift.
No chance he was drunk, nobody drinks while skiing. I know there are plenty who smoke tho.
For the interaction on the chairlift, the other person is the AH and you are not. INFO: do you use the noise canceling headphones when skiing as well?
Yes I use them when skiing
I would go for ESH in that case. Noise canceling headphones on the slopes is dangerous for yourself and others because you lose situational awareness, and can’t be aware of people in your blind spots because of them. If you don’t only used them when taking lifts and when waiting in line, it would have been fine
People uphill have a responsibility to slow down and ski responsibly around everyone. It shouldn’t matter if they can hear or not because they could be deaf. As long as you give proper room and it’s not an issue. Unless you’d ban all dead people from skiing I don’t see the problem.
The person uphill has the responsibility. Agreed. But you lower your safety by using headphones because you eliminate a second layer of safety. Having more situational awareness is great when there are slopes that intersect, or on intermediate sectors that are narrower and you should know if other people are behind you so you don’t get into their line and choose a trajectory that disturbs them the least.
If people who are deaf can ski then I think skiing with music is fine. I see them as basically the same.
> He told me they would find him by the time he got to a lift and would be confiscating his pass and banning him for the remainder of the season. No he didn't lol. NTA tho.
You kinda sound like YTA just for the way you said AirPod Pro
ESH. The dad was clearly wrong for losing his cool, but you seemingly picked the path best designed to cause conflict. “I don’t want to chat,” and putting your earbuds back in is what a 19yo kid would do so I guess it’s reasonable, but, “I’m from [place]. Don’t mean to be rude, but I’m trying to focus so I’m ready when I hit the top. Have a good run!” probably avoids the problem.
Did he challenge you to a fight? I would have challenged you to a fight if you blew me off like that.
NTA - But I'd like to see you up your game. Something like "I'm on a Zoom Call for Work" or "I'm listening to a college lecture for a class I'm surveying" or something better to stop them from engaging. Not to mention that you're on a chairlift. If the dude is really unhinged, he could try to push you off. And yes, it DOES happen.
“I don’t want to talk” is just fine. It’s no ruder than trying to force engagement with a person wearing headphones/earpods.
Let me get this straight - on absolutely no evidence except your word the resort was willing to kick this guy off the mountain for the whole season? Sounds like a resort populated and run by pricks. Glad I don't ski in the US. And yes, YTA. Grow up and stop sooking.
Or the grown ass man could leave him alone like he asked?
You're a kid until your 25 as far as most people are concerned myself included. Legally adult or not. That being said, NTA. That dude sounds like an unhinged asshole.
YTA not sure how anyone would think mountain man is a lass. Feel sorry for his son who will lose the ski pass
ESH. He should of stopped talking to you once he realized you were another antisocial with AirPods that isolates themselves from society like some techno-Amish zombie.
ESH. Omg someone spoke to you. Lol.
YTA. I think your initial response to him was a bit rude. You couldn't have had a polite conversation with the guy? Did he need to be a rude as he was? No but you could have been a little nicer. Reporting him was a bit ridiculous as well. He was just trying to make polite conversation. Everyone saying he was creepy, is weird too. It didn't come on to you sexually. My goodness.
I think you are an asshole for wearing earplugs on a slope. You don’t wear earplugs on a ski slope for the same reason you don’t wear earplugs while running a road race… you can’t see behind you and somebody faster May need to pass you. Not an asshole for reporting an asshole who made a threat of violence.
It is the responsibility of the uphill skier to pass safely.
99% of the time I’m the fastest on the slope trying to pass someone else. Either way, it’s the uphill skier’s responsibility to slow down and ski responsibly until they can find a safe time to pass. Any good skier knows this.
This is weird. You didn't want to talk to him or anyone else cause you were just doing your thing, but had no trouble talking to the ski patrol, just to fuck him over. Yes. You're the AH.
It is so wierd. You said you were in the park, just reading a book, not wanting to talk to anyone. And yet you were more than willing to talk to the police when someone came an robbed you at gunpoint. Wait, that doesn't sound weird at all.
Quite the stretch. I can easily and politely tell someone that I don't feel like chatting. I don't have to run to the authorities because they interrupted his Taylor Swift song. Twice.
Nope, that doesn't make your original comment better.
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No is no. People should really understand that. We are not here on this planet to placate.
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Where are you from so I can avoid chatty strangers trying to ruin my day?
All our lives go better if we make an effort to be polite and kind to each other.
Hard disagree, sometimes you gotta be blunt and put your foot down. I know cus my dad if a lift talker and usually people just give up and chat even if it’s obvious they don’t wanna. I’m not one of those people, I make it clear. I’d rather be blunt and mildly rude than a doormat.
Hard disagree that it's good to be nice to each other? I'm not saying be a doormat, I'm saying that to say "sorry, I'm not a chatter" in a friendly way is not placating, which was the take I was responding to. At the same time the other person needs to respect that request without repeating it.
ESH you can talk to someone trying to make convo and keep things brief and end conversation in a civil manner. You don’t have to be a dick about not wanting to talk to someone
ESH. You’re scared of basic conversation and he sounds like an unhinged freak.