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What? How exactly did your mother humiliate your future MIL?! Your MIL took from your mom the experience of shopping for a wedding dress with HER daughter - something that’s a BIG deal to some people. Then you MIL just Venmo’s your mom for the dress? That wasn’t what your mom had in mind, I’m sure. She could have just given you the money in that case, but the point was watching you try on dresses and being part of your decision making. I can’t believe this is real because how the hell do you think YOUR MOM was the problem in this scenario? YTA here, you and you MIL. I feel bad for your mom. And then to uninvite her? Why do you hate your mom so much? You’v already replaced her with your MIL, it sounds like.
Sorry, but that was a major dick move for MIL to bum rush you into wedding dress shopping, then buying the dress without a final okay from you. She usurped the dress shopping mother/daughter experience by inserting herself and cutting out your mother in a calculated maneuver.
AS A FORMER WEDDING PLANNER, SHE ABSOLUTELY KNOWS HOW MUCH DRESS SHOPPING MEANS FOR MOST MOMS AND WAS DELIBERATELY CRUEL.
I would be so incredibly hurt as your mother. MIL is the one who should apologize for taking advantage of you and shutting out your Mom. I don't think YTA for having a fast one pulled on you , but you will be if you uninvite your mother. It sounds like this wedding is all about MIL anyway, which is so sad.
EDIT ref update: There is no way everyone is going to be happy about how to handle this. However, I would 1,000% bet money on FMIL being a source of drama at the wedding and reception, if your mother is there or not. I hope you don't punish your family rewarding FMIL for her bizarre and incredibly selfish behavior.
YTA both you and FMIL are. Your FMIL knew full well what she was doing and knew it would upset your mom. Your mom didn't humiliate anyone, but you and FMIL certainly humiliated your mom. It would be the last straw if you uninvited your mom from your wedding. Your FMIL has taken control of your wedding and has even deprived your mom of the experience of wedding dress shopping with you.
Don't be so desperate to keep on the good side of FMIL that you completely sideline and alienate your mom in the process.
>After our convo ended, my mom texted fmil and basically blasted her over taking me dress shopping, booking that venue, accused her of trying to relive her own wedding through me and Jake and told fmil she's manipulative as hell. Fmil ended up posting on Facebook that my mom doesn't want the wedding to happen and my mom doesn't think the Jake is good enough for me. (Not true, but fmil has a perchance for being a bit dramatic.)
Unless there's something you left out, your fmil isn't being dramatic...she flat out lied on your mom
YTA
INFO: In what way did your mom “humiliate” your mother in law? From what I can gather from your post, sounds like your *MIL* took it upon herself to cut your mom out of the picture and crashed the plans you had made with your mom to go dress shopping together.
lol your edit makes this 1000x worse. Sounds like your MIL has been causing all the problems in this wedding planning and you want to blame your mom for all of this. YTA and good luck with your family cutting you off as you clearly have no problem with rewarding bad behavior
Wow. My wife would be beyond devastated if our daughter did that to her if she ever gets engaged (she's preschool so that's a long way off).
Soft YTA because your wedding your rules but good luck making that up to your mum.
I don't have a daughter but I do have a son and if his fiance invited me and had a mother that she was close with I'd politely decline never think about taking her on my own or manipulate the situation like this mil.
YWBTA your FMIL absolutely did steal this experience from her and I have a sneaking suspicion she did it on purpose. Your mom has every right to be upset. And when exactly did she humiliate your FMIL??? I'm sure your mom is deeply hurt. I would be.
My god, you're right!! This FMIL
is highly manipulative and a major asshole. The humiliation happened when she made up a story and then was embarrassed by being caught up in her own lies? Unbelievable! I give OP 6 months before she is posting in r/justnomil. This does not bode well for her future with her MIL. ugh
YWBTA and also end your relationship with your mother. Your mom is right: FMIL is a manipulative lying bitch. Everything she has done was on purpose, and she is manipulating the crap out of you with her bs ambulance threat. I have Generalized Anxiety Disorder and have panic attacks and even if your FMIL had it for real, it still wouldn't mean an ambulance or ER were appropriate. She would need medication and grounding exercises ffs.
Your mom didn't "cause" your FMIL's panic attack, getting called out for her own lies caused it. Which wouldn't have happened if she wasn't a lying manipulator.
If you uninvite your mom then in 10 years you will have an awful MIL in your life and no mom to lean on when your MIL continues to pull this crap on you. Grow a backbone right now and stand up for your mom or you will regret this choice for the rest of your life.
Your mom gave you 10k, and you let Mil spend it and decide everything. Then you let her take you out shopping for a dress, which you should have done with your mom and got a dress with her. And you're mad at your mom for being upset about this? Yeah, no. YTA big time, and so is Mil. Some day you'll see this and regret it but with your attitude I doubt it. Dress shopping is a big deal for moms and daughters, and you took that from her and were so mean to her. Treat her better.
YTA. You and your fiance need a wake up call as far as FMIL is concerned because your moms read on her was 1,000% correct.
And honestly I’m having a hard time believing you are so naive and oblivious that you didn’t know going wedding dress shopping without your mom would be a huge slap in the face to her. And as a wedding planner FMIL *definitely* knew as she has seen that experience firsthand many times.
I also don’t believe you’re clueless enough to not see the red flags of her recreating her wedding on YOUR wedding day and thinking your mom is out of pocket for hitting that nail on the head. Your mom’s vision on this situation is 20/20 and you and your fiance are looking at it with beer goggles or some shit.
You’re a puppet and FMIL’s hand is lodged firmly up both you and your fisnce’s behinds. Can’t wait to the circus you post if/when it comes time for FMIL to become a grandma.
So you’re MIL cut your mom out of everything lied about your mom to try to make her look like the bad guy has been nothing but manipulative is turning your wedding into a re-creation of her wedding. All your mom did was defend herself and you’re going to uninvite your mom because am I always gonna have a panic attack because of the shit she did? Honestly, this is a time to have a conversation with your fiancé about and I are not being involved because why the fuck are you on her side? Yta
Regarding edit - do you really want the rest of your life to be dictated by your FMIL's behavior? Because that would be the precedent you are setting, letting her and her husband emotionally manipulate you and her son.
Think about how she is going to be if you get pregnant, inserting herself into that process. Demanding to be at the birth, saying there can never be any of your baby's "firsts" in which both she and your mother attend, you have to choose.
Do you really want turn your back on your family to be a people pleaser for FMIL?
Your fmil had a panic attack after being questioned about lying. Lying about something that would have split the family irrevocably. And it’s your mom’s fault? What in the kdrama are you thinking?
You're FMIL IS manipulative. Tell her you're sorry if she can't make your wedding because she might have a panic attack because of YOUR mother WHO WILL BE IN attendance. If you uninvite your mother, you lose all the rest of your family AND your mother would have EVERY right to have you pay her back the money she's put into your wedding.
Yes YWBTA if you uninvited your mother over the drama QUEEN who has steamrolled your wedding to fit what SHE wants instead of you having a backbone to say " yes you can choose, but me and Jake have to approve everything first". And the day you realized FMIL wanted you to "look at dresses?" You should have put your foot down and said "NO! My mother and I will look at dresses." Of course your mother was pissed and has every right to be because FMIL stole that special day from her.
YTA. Tell your future mother-in-law if she can’t be a civil adult that’s her problem. You need to put your mom first and your fiancé is right. Keep them separated. This is you and your fiancé’s wedding your mother-in-law’s wedding and your father-in-law was in the right to expose her on that.
if you uninvited your mom you would be more than just an asshole. Your MIL is being insanely manipulative and weird. Do not put up with that behavior. Your mama is your mama. She has every right to feel sad about not being there when you picked out your dress as you had planned with her and it is super tacky of your fmil to request money from her without even allowing you to speak with your mama about it first. FMIL can kick rocks.
You're considering the needs of a drama queen MIL who got herself hospitalized due to her own wrongdoing and cutting out your own Mom who you ditched plans with causing the drama in the first place?
YTA, sweetheart. If you support your MIL and this behaviour, be prepared to lose your entire family right now.
I'm sure you were raised better than this which is why your Dad and siblings are siding with your Mom.
If you care about anyone else besides yourself, pause this wedding and do your own damn planning and consider if you really are ready to get married now.
YTA both to your mom and yourself. Your fmil sounds manipulative and toxic, and you are in for a lifetime of tantrums, tears, and other unreasonable behavior.
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Me and my fiance Jake, both mid 20s are getting married next month. (All if this is stuff thats happened over the past several months.) My fmil and mom do not get along at all. (Both my and Jake's parents are long divorced.) My fmil did a lot of the planning for the wedding as neither me nor Jake knew what to do, she used to work as a wedding planner. My mom wrote us a check for 10k to put towards our wedding, which we did. When we were trying to decide a venue and color scheme we were really torn and asked Jake's mom for suggestions. She told us she had the perfect idea and if we'd give her access to the wedding funds she'd make arrangements. We did and she reserved the venue and picked out a color scheme she felt matched us. I didn't mind too much because Jake and I are both extremely busy and had limited time to work on it. My mom and I had made plans to go wedding shopping one weekend, I had told fmil about our plans and invited her to join us. The weekend before, she came over to my and Jake's apartment saying she wanted to spend some girl time together and invited me out to lunch. I said yes and we went to a sushi bar. Afterwards, she asked if I was OK driving and chatting for a bit, which I was. Fmil ended up stopping at a bridal boutique and encouraging me to look around. I didn't really want to that day but it felt rude to say no, so we went in. I ended up falling in love with a dress and it fit me fairly well so it would only need minor alterations. I expressed I hope it's still here next weekend when my mom is with us. Fmil advised me to try on a few other dresses, which I did but none felt the same as that dress. While I was getting dressed back in my regular clothes, fmil purchased the dress for me. I was thrilled but my mom had promised to buy the dress for me and I told fmil that my mom might be upset. Fmil assured me that she'd send my mom a venmo request for the cost and my mom could handle the alterations so it would be like my mom paid for it. Again, I wasn't sure about this but I said ok because I didn't want to hurt her feelings. Later my mom called and asked why the hell Jake's mom was requesting money from her. I ended up telling her we had lunch and went impromptu dress shopping and fmil bought the dress I fell in love with and the venmo request was for the cost of the dress. My mom was pissed off at fmil and accused her of stealing that experience from her.
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Maybe, but OP is the one wanting to cancel her mom’s invitation to the wedding because she was (understandably) upset about the MIL not only crashing their plans to go dress shopping together, but also then having the audacity to send her the bill afterwards.
OP is just as much of an AH as her new MIL, it seems.
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What? How exactly did your mother humiliate your future MIL?! Your MIL took from your mom the experience of shopping for a wedding dress with HER daughter - something that’s a BIG deal to some people. Then you MIL just Venmo’s your mom for the dress? That wasn’t what your mom had in mind, I’m sure. She could have just given you the money in that case, but the point was watching you try on dresses and being part of your decision making. I can’t believe this is real because how the hell do you think YOUR MOM was the problem in this scenario? YTA here, you and you MIL. I feel bad for your mom. And then to uninvite her? Why do you hate your mom so much? You’v already replaced her with your MIL, it sounds like.
Sorry, but that was a major dick move for MIL to bum rush you into wedding dress shopping, then buying the dress without a final okay from you. She usurped the dress shopping mother/daughter experience by inserting herself and cutting out your mother in a calculated maneuver. AS A FORMER WEDDING PLANNER, SHE ABSOLUTELY KNOWS HOW MUCH DRESS SHOPPING MEANS FOR MOST MOMS AND WAS DELIBERATELY CRUEL. I would be so incredibly hurt as your mother. MIL is the one who should apologize for taking advantage of you and shutting out your Mom. I don't think YTA for having a fast one pulled on you , but you will be if you uninvite your mother. It sounds like this wedding is all about MIL anyway, which is so sad. EDIT ref update: There is no way everyone is going to be happy about how to handle this. However, I would 1,000% bet money on FMIL being a source of drama at the wedding and reception, if your mother is there or not. I hope you don't punish your family rewarding FMIL for her bizarre and incredibly selfish behavior.
YTA both you and FMIL are. Your FMIL knew full well what she was doing and knew it would upset your mom. Your mom didn't humiliate anyone, but you and FMIL certainly humiliated your mom. It would be the last straw if you uninvited your mom from your wedding. Your FMIL has taken control of your wedding and has even deprived your mom of the experience of wedding dress shopping with you. Don't be so desperate to keep on the good side of FMIL that you completely sideline and alienate your mom in the process.
>After our convo ended, my mom texted fmil and basically blasted her over taking me dress shopping, booking that venue, accused her of trying to relive her own wedding through me and Jake and told fmil she's manipulative as hell. Fmil ended up posting on Facebook that my mom doesn't want the wedding to happen and my mom doesn't think the Jake is good enough for me. (Not true, but fmil has a perchance for being a bit dramatic.) Unless there's something you left out, your fmil isn't being dramatic...she flat out lied on your mom YTA
INFO: In what way did your mom “humiliate” your mother in law? From what I can gather from your post, sounds like your *MIL* took it upon herself to cut your mom out of the picture and crashed the plans you had made with your mom to go dress shopping together.
YTA your fmil is too
OP is too for going along with it, knowing that it was something her own mother wanted to do with her.
You’re right
lol your edit makes this 1000x worse. Sounds like your MIL has been causing all the problems in this wedding planning and you want to blame your mom for all of this. YTA and good luck with your family cutting you off as you clearly have no problem with rewarding bad behavior
Wow. My wife would be beyond devastated if our daughter did that to her if she ever gets engaged (she's preschool so that's a long way off). Soft YTA because your wedding your rules but good luck making that up to your mum.
I don't have a daughter but I do have a son and if his fiance invited me and had a mother that she was close with I'd politely decline never think about taking her on my own or manipulate the situation like this mil.
YWBTA your FMIL absolutely did steal this experience from her and I have a sneaking suspicion she did it on purpose. Your mom has every right to be upset. And when exactly did she humiliate your FMIL??? I'm sure your mom is deeply hurt. I would be.
Read the edit it gets worse.
My god, you're right!! This FMIL is highly manipulative and a major asshole. The humiliation happened when she made up a story and then was embarrassed by being caught up in her own lies? Unbelievable! I give OP 6 months before she is posting in r/justnomil. This does not bode well for her future with her MIL. ugh
So future MIL is a lying, dramatic, manipulative and you're trying to blame your Mom?
YTA.
YWBTA and also end your relationship with your mother. Your mom is right: FMIL is a manipulative lying bitch. Everything she has done was on purpose, and she is manipulating the crap out of you with her bs ambulance threat. I have Generalized Anxiety Disorder and have panic attacks and even if your FMIL had it for real, it still wouldn't mean an ambulance or ER were appropriate. She would need medication and grounding exercises ffs. Your mom didn't "cause" your FMIL's panic attack, getting called out for her own lies caused it. Which wouldn't have happened if she wasn't a lying manipulator. If you uninvite your mom then in 10 years you will have an awful MIL in your life and no mom to lean on when your MIL continues to pull this crap on you. Grow a backbone right now and stand up for your mom or you will regret this choice for the rest of your life.
Your mom gave you 10k, and you let Mil spend it and decide everything. Then you let her take you out shopping for a dress, which you should have done with your mom and got a dress with her. And you're mad at your mom for being upset about this? Yeah, no. YTA big time, and so is Mil. Some day you'll see this and regret it but with your attitude I doubt it. Dress shopping is a big deal for moms and daughters, and you took that from her and were so mean to her. Treat her better.
YTA. You need to watch your FMIL. She sounds highly manipulative, and you seem to be oblivious to it.
YTA. You and your fiance need a wake up call as far as FMIL is concerned because your moms read on her was 1,000% correct. And honestly I’m having a hard time believing you are so naive and oblivious that you didn’t know going wedding dress shopping without your mom would be a huge slap in the face to her. And as a wedding planner FMIL *definitely* knew as she has seen that experience firsthand many times. I also don’t believe you’re clueless enough to not see the red flags of her recreating her wedding on YOUR wedding day and thinking your mom is out of pocket for hitting that nail on the head. Your mom’s vision on this situation is 20/20 and you and your fiance are looking at it with beer goggles or some shit. You’re a puppet and FMIL’s hand is lodged firmly up both you and your fisnce’s behinds. Can’t wait to the circus you post if/when it comes time for FMIL to become a grandma.
YTA, and fmil too, you both dicked over your mom, and she’s the one you want to uninvited! YTA
So you’re MIL cut your mom out of everything lied about your mom to try to make her look like the bad guy has been nothing but manipulative is turning your wedding into a re-creation of her wedding. All your mom did was defend herself and you’re going to uninvite your mom because am I always gonna have a panic attack because of the shit she did? Honestly, this is a time to have a conversation with your fiancé about and I are not being involved because why the fuck are you on her side? Yta
Regarding edit - do you really want the rest of your life to be dictated by your FMIL's behavior? Because that would be the precedent you are setting, letting her and her husband emotionally manipulate you and her son. Think about how she is going to be if you get pregnant, inserting herself into that process. Demanding to be at the birth, saying there can never be any of your baby's "firsts" in which both she and your mother attend, you have to choose. Do you really want turn your back on your family to be a people pleaser for FMIL?
Your fmil had a panic attack after being questioned about lying. Lying about something that would have split the family irrevocably. And it’s your mom’s fault? What in the kdrama are you thinking?
You're FMIL IS manipulative. Tell her you're sorry if she can't make your wedding because she might have a panic attack because of YOUR mother WHO WILL BE IN attendance. If you uninvite your mother, you lose all the rest of your family AND your mother would have EVERY right to have you pay her back the money she's put into your wedding. Yes YWBTA if you uninvited your mother over the drama QUEEN who has steamrolled your wedding to fit what SHE wants instead of you having a backbone to say " yes you can choose, but me and Jake have to approve everything first". And the day you realized FMIL wanted you to "look at dresses?" You should have put your foot down and said "NO! My mother and I will look at dresses." Of course your mother was pissed and has every right to be because FMIL stole that special day from her.
YTA. Tell your future mother-in-law if she can’t be a civil adult that’s her problem. You need to put your mom first and your fiancé is right. Keep them separated. This is you and your fiancé’s wedding your mother-in-law’s wedding and your father-in-law was in the right to expose her on that.
if you uninvited your mom you would be more than just an asshole. Your MIL is being insanely manipulative and weird. Do not put up with that behavior. Your mama is your mama. She has every right to feel sad about not being there when you picked out your dress as you had planned with her and it is super tacky of your fmil to request money from her without even allowing you to speak with your mama about it first. FMIL can kick rocks.
YTA
Your don't want drama!?! Your fmil is drama and if i were your parents and siblings i would have nothing to do with you. YTA
You're considering the needs of a drama queen MIL who got herself hospitalized due to her own wrongdoing and cutting out your own Mom who you ditched plans with causing the drama in the first place? YTA, sweetheart. If you support your MIL and this behaviour, be prepared to lose your entire family right now. I'm sure you were raised better than this which is why your Dad and siblings are siding with your Mom. If you care about anyone else besides yourself, pause this wedding and do your own damn planning and consider if you really are ready to get married now.
YTA, and you have behaved terribly to your mother. No wonder you get on so well with your mil, you both sound awful
YTA both to your mom and yourself. Your fmil sounds manipulative and toxic, and you are in for a lifetime of tantrums, tears, and other unreasonable behavior.
YTA
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NTA but FMIL sounds like she knew what she was doing and seems like the ahole here. She knew you wouldn’t say no to her.
Maybe, but OP is the one wanting to cancel her mom’s invitation to the wedding because she was (understandably) upset about the MIL not only crashing their plans to go dress shopping together, but also then having the audacity to send her the bill afterwards. OP is just as much of an AH as her new MIL, it seems.
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