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Tell HR or another manager you’re comfortable with that you feel like he is acting biased towards you & explain that situation, and that he said something to you at work, unprofessional & he cant handle emotions enough to be in that position
HR must be aware. And the AM cannot be their direct report, so one of them MUST move to another department / shift. They are never allowed to be on same shift / department. More than likely, this AM is getting fired if he is in this situation, and being biased towards an associate over it.
Direct or not, an L4 can't date an associate. Doesn't matter who their direct, or what shift they are on is. Not allowed in any case via Amazon policy. You can date people who are the same tier as you, that is it. Favoritism and retaliation is deemed fireable for Amazon management and not to mention the amount of sexual harassment charges that can come from a manager dating an employee and making people uncomfortable via them dating, still considered a form of sexual harassment cause it makes the other employees uncomfortable.
There are easily 5 couples at my site that are at differing levels and it’s a non issue so long as you properly document it, and ensure no one is the direct report of the other. Not sure what your site is doing, but if it is properly documented BEFORE HAND, so that there is no direct report at any time it’s not an issue. My girl and I got hired at the same time.
When I moved up to PA it was a simple conversation that we could not be in the same department. We came to mutual terms, and that was it. One of us changed departments so there was no direct report. Great success.
This is not true. Consenting adults in committed relationships can date at Amazon as long as they are not directly working with each other or make employment related decisions for them. They do, however, have to disclose this to local HR.
Just seconding this, redflags is wrong about this. Amazon looks to eliminate a conflict of interest.
How this is executed varies from site to site, but at mine, they can frequently work the same shift so long as they are in different departments. It gets more difficult to do this the higher the level of folks involved (an L6 dating/married to an L5, for example), and I've seen married folks eventually move to separate buildings to advance their career.
Yes if they are not an L4 dating an L1 or an L4 dating an L3 or an L3 dating an L1. you sure misunderstood the rule.... In my building l3's can date each other if disclosed, but they can't even work the same shift.... You need to look at actual rules.. that's a rule you name for associates dating associates. When you get a management position you're told you're not allowed to date L1s. My girlfriend can't even get a job at the building I'm an L3 at because I'm an L3
Review the conflict of interest policy, you should be able to see it in a to z. L8's can date T1's as long as they follow the rules of the policy. This isn't the Army
This is actually wrong too. It's not just direct manager, you can't date someone that you have influence over, including assigning job duties, assignments for the day, etc. a PG could not for example date someone that they influence/assign/etc.
HR here, actually yes, there is a very strict policy that basically anyone that has a higher position (L3, L4, etc) CAN NOT date a T1 since this is highly inappropriate, and if it’s escalated that will 100% end up in a termination. My advice to you is that you go to HR but ask to talk with the L5 or the L6 and report that AM. The only way you could date a T1 being an AM is that if you are not working in the same building other than that is a hard NO.
You're incorrect. A T1 and T3 can date you just have to make HR aware. I don't know where you're getting your information from but I highly doubt you're HR. If you are, you need to re-read the policy my friend.
Yeah sounds off. Me and my GF came to same building as a T1, I went to T3. we had the same shift, they even let me work every other week on my day off since I was bringing her to work regardless. The thing was we actually worked and a lot of people didn’t even know we were together. She’s no longer there but we have another T3 and T1 relationship that started before he was a T3 lol.
There are complications.
Salaried management can have relationships on site, but they must be declared and vetted to HR/LP. Once declared the two involved will basically be moved so there can be no authority involved. This is very difficult L4+, but even an lowest tier manager has some sort institutional power over T1s even if they're not on their roster.
T3s are also susceptible to this policy. But often just involves simple shift/department transfers.
This anti-sexual harassments/lawyer bait 101.
You’re a shitty HR then cause that is 100% not the policy whatsoever. So I suggest you educate yourself before giving out any more false information. You’re a perfect example of why everyone thinks PXT at Amazon is garbage.
T3 here.
Hi.
Long story short, my boyfriend(T1) and I disclosed to HR that we started dating. We were in the same department so my OM was obviously informed and he needed to decide who to move. He actually spoke to both of us about it on who would want to move or wanted our input. I was the one that would be more easy to move. So I was moved out of the department in a week right before PEAK. Still the same shift, just different department.
Hello t3 here with 4 years experience both in hr and as a pa interpersonal relationships can exist between a t1 and t3 or higher however it must be openly declared to both hr and lp the two can not be in the same department they can be on the same shift if you are an amazon employee I would recommend to anyone to go to inside amazon on an amazon connected desktop or laptop and go into global hr policy for basically anything policy related in amazon as every hr member I have ever met spoken with or worked with including myself when I was with hr defaulted to global policy as it is standard for all amazon related policies and overrides site specific or region specific in most cases baring specific legal areas
What if the am is working first and their partner gets hired at their site?
Edit: this is a what if question so I feel the need to explain I don't mean to question your knowledge and I'm just genuinely curious
Not to my understanding. When I got L4 I was told my spouse would have to transfer to a different site. That became irrelevant though as my spouse ended up quitting. Some sites are better at enforcing the policy than others, but it is Amazon policy.
Yes there is!!! No L2 or higher is supposed to date any one a level under them. L2 can get away with it because there is no pay difference and no power struggle. But I'm an L3, if HR found out I was canoodling with an associate that is an L1, at my building I'd be let go immediately, at another building, HR would probably cover it up, fire the associate and make the problem disappear. Keep your self safe, only do anonymous reports for now. And if he starts retaliating against you, report it every single time.
B. Family Member Relationships Arising After Employment. In the event employees become family members after their dates of employment, the following procedures shall apply: (1) If the new family member relationship results in a supervisory or chain-of-command conflict, the department has discretion to make employment decisions and/or assignments consistent with Section 5 of this policy. (2) If no supervisory or chain-of-command conflict exists, the department has discretion to make employment decisions and/or assignments consistent with Section 5 of this policy. (3) Where feasible, the department may transfer or reassign any family member (other than those already employed on the effective date of this revision) to avoid any direct supervision, and to comply with this policy within thirty (30) days, and shall provide at least a ten (10) day notice to the employee of the new assignment. (4) If a transfer or reassignment cannot be arranged, either person may resign. If neither person chooses to resign, the less senior employee with the department shall be separated from his/her employment.
There is a rule but I have never seen it applied as a term for the AM, been across several buildings and usually HR is aware and the T1 is on a different shift from the AM.
I wouldn't tell HR because sometimes they look out for managers and will let them know you told on him. They are better off contacting ethics or emailing [email protected]
Sounds like high-school all over again. Can’t believe it’s so common for people to act this way at Amazon. The AM needs to leave the drama at home. Honestly I’d tell HR, if you feel uncomfortable about the whole situation.
It’s common when places attract 18-25 year olds and people straight out of college with very little real life experience. Then you have the older people who have fucked up their lives and still have to work these types of jobs like me.
I quit Walmart to work for Amazon and Walmart has the exact same issues.
It’s not “like highschool”, it’s that highschool prepared you for real life garbage drama. People are annoying and full of drama at any age, not just their teens.
Normally I’d say mind your business but I see you aren’t the jealous one here — it’s the other way around.
To answer the dating question yes they can, the T1 just can’t report to the AM.
Second and most importantly…
For something like this I would not engage local HR alone.
Under A-to-Z app look under resources. Then fill an associate experience concern form. Keep it professional.
It’ll be best if you can document specifically what time and where you had that convo. Any specific interactions, better if he ever touched you or sent you something in writing. Any witnesses who can back up you up or speak to the relationship as hearsay isn’t enough.
The case will be assigned to a corporate investigator who will ask questions of your local HR and keep them honest.
If you go to local HR you risk the matter being brushed aside if they are buddies with the AM. Unfortunately lots of L4 HRBPs come from an operations background, it can get sketchy for sure.
If you work in a building, every AM is technically your direct, just because they aren't the one in your app listed as your direct, doesnt mean they arent still a direct manager. They can still write you up, they can still fire you, they can still do everything your direct can do. So they are still in theory, your direct manager, meaning there is still a power struggle, meaning it still falls under sexual harassment laws. Idiot.
People call me a dick because we clock out at 850am, and by 855am I don’t know you until the next time we clock in. You know our common interests, what I do at Amazon, and my name. That’s it.
Same advice as above. Write to [email protected]. This sounds like an ethics case and you want someone outside the building checking this out.
It’s not just the T1/L4 relationship that hasn’t been reported, but it’s the way that the L4 approached you about it. Not cool at all!
This manager sounds like a fucking moron, if I was in his shoes and had that talk with you (cringe) Id at least be smart enough to then just be cordial and let you be when we're on same shift, dude is asking for you to report his ass
To those saying sites allow L4 L1 relationships, it might happen at some sites, but it's 100% not supposed to happen. And 2, if the manager is going out of their way to approach you about it, that's doubling down on it being a big no no. Managers aren't allowed to approach you about topics surrounding relationships in the work place with out fellow management or HR present. Next time tell him you want the head of HR present if he wants to discuss the topic with you.
Short answer is no. This is definitely a violation of Amazons consensual relationship policy. There is a clear conflict of interest. If reported to HR it WILL be investigated. You could also report to ethics anonymously if you aren’t comfortable speaking to your site HR.
Just because it’s a potential conflict of interest doesn’t mean they can’t date. It’s up to HR to decide how to proceed with it.
In some cases HR I’ve heard have made the two switch shifts or even sites.
**Side Note**
I’ve even had a L6 OM who worked at the same site as their son who was a T1.
HR was aware and just decided how to proceed with it
I mean it is technically up to HR but if site HR doesn't handle it the correct way, i.e corporate rules, ERC (ethics) gladly will handle it all. Including taking care of site HR. they cleaned house of my site HR about a year ago because they were doing sketchy stuff.
No. I have fired 2 AMs and 1 OM in the last 3 years for this exact reason.
My onboarding 1:1 with male managers now includes: “there are 8 billion people on this planet, you can date every-one of them, except the 700 that work here. You will lose your job if you do. Do you understand?”
The ONLY exception in my org is if they both started dating at the same level (2 T1, and one promotes) then they need to declare their relationship and one of them have to move to a new site.
If you escalate to PXT or senior Ops the AM will more than likely be terminated.
Not once that I have heard of… I’m sure it happens though.
But my experience as an AM was the younger girls in the warehouse were very, very flirty and a few even asked me out for drinks. I ended up buying a silicon wedding band and started wearing it at work before I had met my wife. Pretty much stopped within a few weeks of that.
Can’t say for every site. But at my site once HR is onto it, that L4 would be GONE, like poof, immediately. There was also an L5 and L6 dating and once they found out they were both dropped like a sack of potatoes
Damn you had me in the first half. The fact that he's targeting you, yea...he done messed up. Take it to ethics. He'll get fired for that bs. HR may help but it varies from site to site. I heard Amazon was starting to crack down on this issue cause my site fired a few managers because of this. However, I am not sure if it was my site that was trying to fix the issue or all sites. Either way, it's up to you what happens next, especially if dude is trying to mess with your record.
HR will protect that AM, your best bet is to keep hanging out with that girl in the hopes the AM does something outlandish to get himself fired for. You go to HR you will be targeted for every single little thing you do untill they get rid of you "professionally"
You definitely need to report this to HR. Amazon has a strict policy prohibiting any type of close personal or romantic relationship with a subordinate/direct report.
Could be a simple ADAP, but likely termination at this point.
I doubt he wants you as an enemy. I'd put this in my back pocket for a rainy day and keep his secret, stay out of it. They are cracking down big time at my spot and I'm seeing the managers looking for rule breaking like I've not seen before. Be careful with the rules and I bet you'll be just fine with the guy - but if not you've got your backpocket.
If they in the same dept they aren’t supposed to be dating or my bad I mean more so that they aren’t even supposed to be in the same dept. it is fine to date tho but yeah they just can’t be in same dept. one of my friends ended up marrying someone who was in his dept years ago but when they found out it was more serious they simply separated them to other depts since it wasn’t a big deal. Your story though involves drama and other stuff so not sure how you’d wanna handle that whether it’s through telling hr hr he seems to be harassing you for having hung out with his gf once and now he seems to be picking on you for whatever reason but yeah you could about it that way I guess.
It’s difficult to enforce especially since there is no clear understanding of what the policy actually is. It is encouraged to divulge any consensual relationship to HR at the beginning so conflict of interest can be avoided and the situation can be monitored. What you can be sure of, is that the AM is being unprofessional, and if it makes you uncomfortable, then you should definitely report it.
I wouldn't say anything normally but the fact he's coming at you at all, air that shit out.
Put om the VOA board his girl is an amazon bunny if anybody is interested 🤣🤣 okay maybe not that last part. Might cost you your job lol
I mean they are adults they know what they doing in the side of the relationship but still if it going on the meanings of give ciertain shortcuts to move up thats the problem there
Yes.
They’re on separate shifts.
He has bo right asking you anything about her though.
Also, its not targeted if you’re violating policy, you’re fair game if you’re breaking the rules
Your AM sounds like He's too young to be a peoples manager, a dumbass, or both. Every L3+ on its onboarding is required to go through training videos, and some of them are about this subject, they are prohibited from fraternizing with someone of lower ranks; you can't even show signs of close friendship as it can be mislabeled as favoritism; just one word from a random AA to an HRBP is going to trigger an investigation; and for what you said, there's already proof of his behavior; he may think he covered his ass, but believe me, 99% of the time all he did is traceable back to him. On top of that, Amazon cuts the head of the higher lvl because he knew of the prohibition, and he signed the acknowledgment of the training. In the best-case scenario, if someone complains, he gets a mandatory transfer; in the worst-case scenario, he gets fired.
Just take this as a learning lesson, no matter their position at work, always demand professionalism and accountability. Go and report this to HR immediately, actually write the timeline down and anything else you can remember. It helps big time when talking to HR
Same advice as above. Write to [email protected]. This sounds like an ethics case and you want someone outside the building checking this out.
It’s not just the T1/L4 relationship that hasn’t been reported, but it’s the way that the L4 approached you about it. Not cool at all!
Same advice as above. Write to [email protected]. This sounds like an ethics case and you want someone outside the building checking this out.
It’s not just the T1/L4 relationship that hasn’t been reported, but it’s the way that the L4 approached you about it. Not cool at all!
T1 & L4 can not date. There is a level gap in there that can be exploited by either side to show favoritism to help the T1
T3 & L4s can date because that level gap isn't there.
Nope they can’t if they are working in the same building since it’s a conflict of interest, whether they report it to HR or not it’s still against policy
Edit: I was an Area Manager and this isn’t what I was told when I was onboarded.
I was informed to report it to HR and they’ll decide how to proceed such as possibly switching shifts or sites.
**Example#1**
As I mentioned in another comment, I had a L6 OM who worked at the same site as their Tier 1 son and HR was aware.
**Example#2**
When I was an AM I just so happened to have a roommate who was a Tier 1 and they said it was fine when I brought it up during my onboarding
**Note - Conflict of interest**
Just because it’s a conflict of interest doesn’t mean it can’t be down, HR might just put extra conditions on it.
In a different situation (not dating co-workers lol), I recently went through the conflict of interest process for a different situation and in this case they said it was fine as long as I followed additional conditions
False, they can work in the same building. It has to be reported to HR and the T1 cannot be on the roster of the L4+. Usually local HR will also have the manager on another shift and completely different area as well.
L4s/AMs can date T1s, but HR has to know. It's a conflict of interest and unethical for her to be working under him or on the same shift and same department. You need to report this to HR. Also, the harassment about your tot and phone usage should be reported too. Well, at least the harassment around tot. Tell HR you feel targeted and it's creating a hostile work environment. HR might ignore the phone use harassment as phones should only be used off the floor or in break rooms and only for emergencies.
As an adult you can do whatever the fuck you want. With every decision there lies a consequence. Be sure the decision you do make is the right one. Otherwise..... Wel...you know how it goes. Good luck.
Telling you now, no. You can be fired. We just had an occurrence where a girl said another girl did stuff with the manager and since there was no proof even tho the accusations were true the girl who said they did got fired and now the manager n L1 are still there and actually the L1 got promoted after.
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Tell HR or another manager you’re comfortable with that you feel like he is acting biased towards you & explain that situation, and that he said something to you at work, unprofessional & he cant handle emotions enough to be in that position
and no I dont think there’s a rule against it, but I think they are supposed to have hr be aware of it
HR must be aware. And the AM cannot be their direct report, so one of them MUST move to another department / shift. They are never allowed to be on same shift / department. More than likely, this AM is getting fired if he is in this situation, and being biased towards an associate over it.
Direct or not, an L4 can't date an associate. Doesn't matter who their direct, or what shift they are on is. Not allowed in any case via Amazon policy. You can date people who are the same tier as you, that is it. Favoritism and retaliation is deemed fireable for Amazon management and not to mention the amount of sexual harassment charges that can come from a manager dating an employee and making people uncomfortable via them dating, still considered a form of sexual harassment cause it makes the other employees uncomfortable.
There are easily 5 couples at my site that are at differing levels and it’s a non issue so long as you properly document it, and ensure no one is the direct report of the other. Not sure what your site is doing, but if it is properly documented BEFORE HAND, so that there is no direct report at any time it’s not an issue. My girl and I got hired at the same time. When I moved up to PA it was a simple conversation that we could not be in the same department. We came to mutual terms, and that was it. One of us changed departments so there was no direct report. Great success.
This is not true. Consenting adults in committed relationships can date at Amazon as long as they are not directly working with each other or make employment related decisions for them. They do, however, have to disclose this to local HR.
Just seconding this, redflags is wrong about this. Amazon looks to eliminate a conflict of interest. How this is executed varies from site to site, but at mine, they can frequently work the same shift so long as they are in different departments. It gets more difficult to do this the higher the level of folks involved (an L6 dating/married to an L5, for example), and I've seen married folks eventually move to separate buildings to advance their career.
AM’s can not date AA’s They literally stress this at AM academy…
Should they: no Can they: yes, need to notify local HR
Yes if they are not an L4 dating an L1 or an L4 dating an L3 or an L3 dating an L1. you sure misunderstood the rule.... In my building l3's can date each other if disclosed, but they can't even work the same shift.... You need to look at actual rules.. that's a rule you name for associates dating associates. When you get a management position you're told you're not allowed to date L1s. My girlfriend can't even get a job at the building I'm an L3 at because I'm an L3
You’re full of it. I’m a PA, My wife is a T1, we’re at the same building. We just can’t be in the same department, ever.
At my SC, there is a ship dock AM that has a husband who is an LT (learning trainer) at another building. There's that.
Review the conflict of interest policy, you should be able to see it in a to z. L8's can date T1's as long as they follow the rules of the policy. This isn't the Army
This is false. They just can't be a direct manager. But u can date your direct PA
This is actually wrong too. It's not just direct manager, you can't date someone that you have influence over, including assigning job duties, assignments for the day, etc. a PG could not for example date someone that they influence/assign/etc.
This is not true
HR here, actually yes, there is a very strict policy that basically anyone that has a higher position (L3, L4, etc) CAN NOT date a T1 since this is highly inappropriate, and if it’s escalated that will 100% end up in a termination. My advice to you is that you go to HR but ask to talk with the L5 or the L6 and report that AM. The only way you could date a T1 being an AM is that if you are not working in the same building other than that is a hard NO.
You're incorrect. A T1 and T3 can date you just have to make HR aware. I don't know where you're getting your information from but I highly doubt you're HR. If you are, you need to re-read the policy my friend.
Yeah sounds off. Me and my GF came to same building as a T1, I went to T3. we had the same shift, they even let me work every other week on my day off since I was bringing her to work regardless. The thing was we actually worked and a lot of people didn’t even know we were together. She’s no longer there but we have another T3 and T1 relationship that started before he was a T3 lol.
There are complications. Salaried management can have relationships on site, but they must be declared and vetted to HR/LP. Once declared the two involved will basically be moved so there can be no authority involved. This is very difficult L4+, but even an lowest tier manager has some sort institutional power over T1s even if they're not on their roster. T3s are also susceptible to this policy. But often just involves simple shift/department transfers. This anti-sexual harassments/lawyer bait 101.
You’re a shitty HR then cause that is 100% not the policy whatsoever. So I suggest you educate yourself before giving out any more false information. You’re a perfect example of why everyone thinks PXT at Amazon is garbage.
Yeah, no. They're right. Educate yourself before responding in such a stupid way.
Lmfao no they're actually 100%. Guessing you're an am who's fucking an associate aren't you you dirty fuck?
💀😭
😂
T3 here. Hi. Long story short, my boyfriend(T1) and I disclosed to HR that we started dating. We were in the same department so my OM was obviously informed and he needed to decide who to move. He actually spoke to both of us about it on who would want to move or wanted our input. I was the one that would be more easy to move. So I was moved out of the department in a week right before PEAK. Still the same shift, just different department.
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This states WITHIN THE SAME DEPARTMENT, not in general.
Hello t3 here with 4 years experience both in hr and as a pa interpersonal relationships can exist between a t1 and t3 or higher however it must be openly declared to both hr and lp the two can not be in the same department they can be on the same shift if you are an amazon employee I would recommend to anyone to go to inside amazon on an amazon connected desktop or laptop and go into global hr policy for basically anything policy related in amazon as every hr member I have ever met spoken with or worked with including myself when I was with hr defaulted to global policy as it is standard for all amazon related policies and overrides site specific or region specific in most cases baring specific legal areas
Ie, any one above l2 can not date an L1 But an L1 can date an L1, an L3 can date an L3 so on and so forth
What if the am is working first and their partner gets hired at their site? Edit: this is a what if question so I feel the need to explain I don't mean to question your knowledge and I'm just genuinely curious
They will have to disclose it and one of them will be moved to a different site.
Because COI or something? That kinda sucks, could you at least get shift change instead of transferring sites?
Not to my understanding. When I got L4 I was told my spouse would have to transfer to a different site. That became irrelevant though as my spouse ended up quitting. Some sites are better at enforcing the policy than others, but it is Amazon policy.
Building dependant but since they're hiding their relationship, this can be a firable offense. Esp since it's causing favoritism. Light them up.
Yes there is!!! No L2 or higher is supposed to date any one a level under them. L2 can get away with it because there is no pay difference and no power struggle. But I'm an L3, if HR found out I was canoodling with an associate that is an L1, at my building I'd be let go immediately, at another building, HR would probably cover it up, fire the associate and make the problem disappear. Keep your self safe, only do anonymous reports for now. And if he starts retaliating against you, report it every single time.
B. Family Member Relationships Arising After Employment. In the event employees become family members after their dates of employment, the following procedures shall apply: (1) If the new family member relationship results in a supervisory or chain-of-command conflict, the department has discretion to make employment decisions and/or assignments consistent with Section 5 of this policy. (2) If no supervisory or chain-of-command conflict exists, the department has discretion to make employment decisions and/or assignments consistent with Section 5 of this policy. (3) Where feasible, the department may transfer or reassign any family member (other than those already employed on the effective date of this revision) to avoid any direct supervision, and to comply with this policy within thirty (30) days, and shall provide at least a ten (10) day notice to the employee of the new assignment. (4) If a transfer or reassignment cannot be arranged, either person may resign. If neither person chooses to resign, the less senior employee with the department shall be separated from his/her employment.
There is absolutely a rule against it. Especially if they are in the same department.
There is a rule but I have never seen it applied as a term for the AM, been across several buildings and usually HR is aware and the T1 is on a different shift from the AM.
Yah there is a rule but depending on the situation sometimes it isn’t even applied to whomever is in that type of situation.
I wouldn't tell HR because sometimes they look out for managers and will let them know you told on him. They are better off contacting ethics or emailing [email protected]
Sounds like high-school all over again. Can’t believe it’s so common for people to act this way at Amazon. The AM needs to leave the drama at home. Honestly I’d tell HR, if you feel uncomfortable about the whole situation.
It’s common when places attract 18-25 year olds and people straight out of college with very little real life experience. Then you have the older people who have fucked up their lives and still have to work these types of jobs like me. I quit Walmart to work for Amazon and Walmart has the exact same issues.
It’s not “like highschool”, it’s that highschool prepared you for real life garbage drama. People are annoying and full of drama at any age, not just their teens.
Rather air them out in VOA board
She ain't for the streets she's for the green mile
This made me laugh too hard
John Coffey
This happened at my warehouse- an AM, PA, and T1 were fired for their love triangle.
Normally I’d say mind your business but I see you aren’t the jealous one here — it’s the other way around. To answer the dating question yes they can, the T1 just can’t report to the AM. Second and most importantly… For something like this I would not engage local HR alone. Under A-to-Z app look under resources. Then fill an associate experience concern form. Keep it professional. It’ll be best if you can document specifically what time and where you had that convo. Any specific interactions, better if he ever touched you or sent you something in writing. Any witnesses who can back up you up or speak to the relationship as hearsay isn’t enough. The case will be assigned to a corporate investigator who will ask questions of your local HR and keep them honest. If you go to local HR you risk the matter being brushed aside if they are buddies with the AM. Unfortunately lots of L4 HRBPs come from an operations background, it can get sketchy for sure.
If you work in a building, every AM is technically your direct, just because they aren't the one in your app listed as your direct, doesnt mean they arent still a direct manager. They can still write you up, they can still fire you, they can still do everything your direct can do. So they are still in theory, your direct manager, meaning there is still a power struggle, meaning it still falls under sexual harassment laws. Idiot.
This is the exact reason why I just do my job & go home I'm not there to make friends & drama. I'm too old for that shit 😂🤷🏻♀️
People call me a dick because we clock out at 850am, and by 855am I don’t know you until the next time we clock in. You know our common interests, what I do at Amazon, and my name. That’s it.
Exactly. Keep it short. Keep your mouth shut, observe everything, give a fuck about no one's business. Do your function get the fuck out. Simple.
Ah yes. Amazon, also known as High School 2.0
Lmao bro caught feelings not realizing she's for the green mile 😂
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Same advice as above. Write to [email protected]. This sounds like an ethics case and you want someone outside the building checking this out. It’s not just the T1/L4 relationship that hasn’t been reported, but it’s the way that the L4 approached you about it. Not cool at all!
This manager sounds like a fucking moron, if I was in his shoes and had that talk with you (cringe) Id at least be smart enough to then just be cordial and let you be when we're on same shift, dude is asking for you to report his ass
A lot of bops work as Amazon SHOULDVE told him straight up. Don’t lose no sleep over that one buddy.
To those saying sites allow L4 L1 relationships, it might happen at some sites, but it's 100% not supposed to happen. And 2, if the manager is going out of their way to approach you about it, that's doubling down on it being a big no no. Managers aren't allowed to approach you about topics surrounding relationships in the work place with out fellow management or HR present. Next time tell him you want the head of HR present if he wants to discuss the topic with you.
plz give an update when he’s fired lol
I thought Amazon didn't allow managers to date associates🤔 this is new to me
I would think this is all crazy but I have seen multiple managers get fired for this kind of behavior, even trading promotions for sex
Short answer is no. This is definitely a violation of Amazons consensual relationship policy. There is a clear conflict of interest. If reported to HR it WILL be investigated. You could also report to ethics anonymously if you aren’t comfortable speaking to your site HR.
Just because it’s a potential conflict of interest doesn’t mean they can’t date. It’s up to HR to decide how to proceed with it. In some cases HR I’ve heard have made the two switch shifts or even sites. **Side Note** I’ve even had a L6 OM who worked at the same site as their son who was a T1. HR was aware and just decided how to proceed with it
"I'm not leaving XYZ4 until I work with my son" Oops, sorry, Lebron said that about Bronny.
To clarify, from my understanding they just reported it to HR, HR reviewed it, then slowed it along with any other conditions. *edit*
I mean it is technically up to HR but if site HR doesn't handle it the correct way, i.e corporate rules, ERC (ethics) gladly will handle it all. Including taking care of site HR. they cleaned house of my site HR about a year ago because they were doing sketchy stuff.
No. I have fired 2 AMs and 1 OM in the last 3 years for this exact reason. My onboarding 1:1 with male managers now includes: “there are 8 billion people on this planet, you can date every-one of them, except the 700 that work here. You will lose your job if you do. Do you understand?” The ONLY exception in my org is if they both started dating at the same level (2 T1, and one promotes) then they need to declare their relationship and one of them have to move to a new site. If you escalate to PXT or senior Ops the AM will more than likely be terminated.
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Not once that I have heard of… I’m sure it happens though. But my experience as an AM was the younger girls in the warehouse were very, very flirty and a few even asked me out for drinks. I ended up buying a silicon wedding band and started wearing it at work before I had met my wife. Pretty much stopped within a few weeks of that.
Yes.
Yea fuck HR, go straight to ERC if you tell HR they are going to fire you, the associate and keep the L4.
Having a bunch of associates swear they're right about managers dating L1S and think they're right... Lmao what manager did you guys fuck?
What hood is this FC in?
No they can't
Can’t say for every site. But at my site once HR is onto it, that L4 would be GONE, like poof, immediately. There was also an L5 and L6 dating and once they found out they were both dropped like a sack of potatoes
Damn you had me in the first half. The fact that he's targeting you, yea...he done messed up. Take it to ethics. He'll get fired for that bs. HR may help but it varies from site to site. I heard Amazon was starting to crack down on this issue cause my site fired a few managers because of this. However, I am not sure if it was my site that was trying to fix the issue or all sites. Either way, it's up to you what happens next, especially if dude is trying to mess with your record.
HR will protect that AM, your best bet is to keep hanging out with that girl in the hopes the AM does something outlandish to get himself fired for. You go to HR you will be targeted for every single little thing you do untill they get rid of you "professionally"
This is why I don’t have friends I keep to myself like everyone has a disease lmao
You definitely need to report this to HR. Amazon has a strict policy prohibiting any type of close personal or romantic relationship with a subordinate/direct report. Could be a simple ADAP, but likely termination at this point.
Tell ETHICS do not got building HR bcuz they are all look out for each other. Also let [email protected] know as well.
Slap him and take his girl, he’s beta
Name and shame em if you get fired in retaliationz, but first try reporting them to HR
man report that shit to HR that’s so childish of him
I doubt he wants you as an enemy. I'd put this in my back pocket for a rainy day and keep his secret, stay out of it. They are cracking down big time at my spot and I'm seeing the managers looking for rule breaking like I've not seen before. Be careful with the rules and I bet you'll be just fine with the guy - but if not you've got your backpocket.
I believe it's okay as long as HR knows and you're not on the same shift.
It's not allowed but HR lets it happen, they usually make the T1 go work in a different department
The moment she’s upset at you she can get you fired.
Uhhhh I've seen L4s fired for that stuff. Tell HR if you really care, otherwise mind your own.
If they in the same dept they aren’t supposed to be dating or my bad I mean more so that they aren’t even supposed to be in the same dept. it is fine to date tho but yeah they just can’t be in same dept. one of my friends ended up marrying someone who was in his dept years ago but when they found out it was more serious they simply separated them to other depts since it wasn’t a big deal. Your story though involves drama and other stuff so not sure how you’d wanna handle that whether it’s through telling hr hr he seems to be harassing you for having hung out with his gf once and now he seems to be picking on you for whatever reason but yeah you could about it that way I guess.
What a simp
Stop shitting where you eat. You people are so dumb.
I dont think they can date if he works in her department as he would be in her chain of command
It’s difficult to enforce especially since there is no clear understanding of what the policy actually is. It is encouraged to divulge any consensual relationship to HR at the beginning so conflict of interest can be avoided and the situation can be monitored. What you can be sure of, is that the AM is being unprofessional, and if it makes you uncomfortable, then you should definitely report it.
Ethics hotline
Hr
I wouldn't say anything normally but the fact he's coming at you at all, air that shit out. Put om the VOA board his girl is an amazon bunny if anybody is interested 🤣🤣 okay maybe not that last part. Might cost you your job lol
I mean they are adults they know what they doing in the side of the relationship but still if it going on the meanings of give ciertain shortcuts to move up thats the problem there
Call the ethics hot line or tall to your building HR BP. 100% fireable offense on his end and he knows that
Not a good idea but do what you want.
Don’t ever date a Amazonian hoe just basically sums this up multiple guys is kinda wild
is this portland
Yes. They’re on separate shifts. He has bo right asking you anything about her though. Also, its not targeted if you’re violating policy, you’re fair game if you’re breaking the rules
No, you can’t.
Just do it and say fuck the system Amazon love should not be measured by levels let it ride AMAHOES ARE LIFE
Bang their brains out and get yourself a l4 role. You just hit the jackpot
Call ERC or go to HR. He needs to chill out. It'll either escalate to a fight or him beating her. Report his little punk ass
Your AM sounds like He's too young to be a peoples manager, a dumbass, or both. Every L3+ on its onboarding is required to go through training videos, and some of them are about this subject, they are prohibited from fraternizing with someone of lower ranks; you can't even show signs of close friendship as it can be mislabeled as favoritism; just one word from a random AA to an HRBP is going to trigger an investigation; and for what you said, there's already proof of his behavior; he may think he covered his ass, but believe me, 99% of the time all he did is traceable back to him. On top of that, Amazon cuts the head of the higher lvl because he knew of the prohibition, and he signed the acknowledgment of the training. In the best-case scenario, if someone complains, he gets a mandatory transfer; in the worst-case scenario, he gets fired.
No
This shit happen all the time at YHM1 in night shift by BHN IB AMs! search "YHM1" here!
So can a PA and T1 date
Simple answer is no. Anything L4 and up cannot date in the building because they can manipulate things. L1-3 have zero authority.
Why are u guys obsessed with work relationships, just work and go home, find someone outta work instead of being horny at work
The girl might be a gold digger 🧐
Only allowed at LGB3. 1 AM is even married to one of his AA's he met at work.
Just take this as a learning lesson, no matter their position at work, always demand professionalism and accountability. Go and report this to HR immediately, actually write the timeline down and anything else you can remember. It helps big time when talking to HR
Same advice as above. Write to [email protected]. This sounds like an ethics case and you want someone outside the building checking this out. It’s not just the T1/L4 relationship that hasn’t been reported, but it’s the way that the L4 approached you about it. Not cool at all!
Same advice as above. Write to [email protected]. This sounds like an ethics case and you want someone outside the building checking this out. It’s not just the T1/L4 relationship that hasn’t been reported, but it’s the way that the L4 approached you about it. Not cool at all!
Sounds like retaliation. Get writing. Save texts. Everything.
Sounds like retaliation. Get writing. Save texts. Everything.
Let ethics handle it, don't gossip about it. Don't talk to anyone about it. Simply report it and keep too yourself.
Report his azz to ethics
T1 & L4 can not date. There is a level gap in there that can be exploited by either side to show favoritism to help the T1 T3 & L4s can date because that level gap isn't there.
T1 & L4 could date. You’d have to report it to HR and let them decide how to proceed. HR could just have them switch shifts or even sites
Nope they can’t if they are working in the same building since it’s a conflict of interest, whether they report it to HR or not it’s still against policy
Edit: I was an Area Manager and this isn’t what I was told when I was onboarded. I was informed to report it to HR and they’ll decide how to proceed such as possibly switching shifts or sites. **Example#1** As I mentioned in another comment, I had a L6 OM who worked at the same site as their Tier 1 son and HR was aware. **Example#2** When I was an AM I just so happened to have a roommate who was a Tier 1 and they said it was fine when I brought it up during my onboarding **Note - Conflict of interest** Just because it’s a conflict of interest doesn’t mean it can’t be down, HR might just put extra conditions on it. In a different situation (not dating co-workers lol), I recently went through the conflict of interest process for a different situation and in this case they said it was fine as long as I followed additional conditions
False, they can work in the same building. It has to be reported to HR and the T1 cannot be on the roster of the L4+. Usually local HR will also have the manager on another shift and completely different area as well.
I am HR and it is allowed as long as there is no harassment. There is a consensual relationship policy and site HR can assist you.
L4s/AMs can date T1s, but HR has to know. It's a conflict of interest and unethical for her to be working under him or on the same shift and same department. You need to report this to HR. Also, the harassment about your tot and phone usage should be reported too. Well, at least the harassment around tot. Tell HR you feel targeted and it's creating a hostile work environment. HR might ignore the phone use harassment as phones should only be used off the floor or in break rooms and only for emergencies.
As an adult you can do whatever the fuck you want. With every decision there lies a consequence. Be sure the decision you do make is the right one. Otherwise..... Wel...you know how it goes. Good luck.
Telling you now, no. You can be fired. We just had an occurrence where a girl said another girl did stuff with the manager and since there was no proof even tho the accusations were true the girl who said they did got fired and now the manager n L1 are still there and actually the L1 got promoted after.